CHRISTIAN MUSIC - Blessed or Blasphemy?
Jason Marshall Rogers
believes that Satanic music actually exists. Well, prove it. Quote me one
piece of scripture that shows me the devil has the authority to create
anything. Can the devil make music? No....God has never given the
authority to the devil to make anything. Therefore Satanic music does not
exist. The devil can twist things that God makes, but he does not have any
authority to create anything.
The above article gets my vote for the funniest article ever posted in this
newsgroup!!!!
Charles Evans
from the WWW and tried my best to edit out long lines but doesn't look like
it is gonna work but I think you'll be able to read this.
Next. Got this from a NEW and great Bible Web site called
the Dial-The-Truth Ministires.. Check em out!!! http://ns.secis.com/truth
Next. I agree with 99% of what is on the page and SOME of what I have
included below (the electronic form of a paper tract concerning Christian
Rock music. I've read a lot of stuff on the subject (of how it is wrong, evil
and what not) but LOTS of what Mr. Watkins presents in many "quotes" Ive
never seen before and wonder if anyone can collaborate. Just read and see
what you think. I've emailed him already 3 times about differnt things in
it that I am disagreeing with. His email is:
If you email him please post a copy to rec.music.christian or at least to
me cev...@bme.utmem.edu I'd liek to hear what you have to think about all
this. Including the AMy Grant video of what she is wearing and the 'Runic
letters' in the MWS The Big Picture cover/back cover... hope to hear some
replies..
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CHRISTIAN ROCK - BLESSING OR BLASPHEMY?
by Terry Watkins
In the early 1950's, Cleveland disc jockey Allan Freed, revolutionized the music
world. . .
Borrowing a ghetto term for sexual fornication, he coined the term "ROCK N ROLL".
The Encyclopaedia Britannica Yearbook for 1956 described rock n roll as, "insistent
savagery . . .deliberately competing with the artistic ideals of the jungle."
The Christian community cried against this "tool of Satan." But in the 70's, a sinister
hand began planting a small, but deadly seed. And the walls began to crumble. And
like a raging hurricane, rock began desecrating the sacred music of the church. In they
came; Bill Gaither, the Imperials, Dallas Holmes, Randy Stonehill, Keith Greene, and
others. Today, rock music is a common companion of the church. And as you ll soon
read; the rebellion, the sexual theme, the blasphemy, the occult influence are found
"lurking under the cover" of Christian rock.
The queen-bee of Christian rock is Amy Grant. Amy's song, "Baby, Baby", was
unprecedented in Gospel Music topping the chart as the number-one spot on Billboard
magazine. Is the secular world "turning on" to Jesus? Not hardly. . . People magazine
says of Amy s video Baby, Baby, "There s saintly Amy cuddling some hunky guy,
crooning "Baby, Baby" into his ear and looking pretty SLEEK AND SINFUL. . ."
Amy confesses, "I m trying to look SEXY to sell a record . . ."
The Bible says in 2 Timothy 2:22, "Flee also youthful lusts:", but Amy says, "Petting
happens . . . As a teenager, when I gave part of me to someone, I knew I was just
going to flirt, HAVE A LITTLE FUN, . . ."
Amy says, ". . . I m isolated when I walk into a room and somebody says, She s a
Christian and NOBODY OFFERS ME A JOINT and all the coke (cocaine) disappears.
. ." Husband Gary Chapman confessed in People magazine of a recent eight-year
cocaine and marijuana addiction! Amy also says, "I remember years ago - the first
time I smelled anybody smoking a joint at a concert, I WAS THRILLED . . . it meant
to me that obviously this person is not affected by the church peer pressure."
On Amy s video, That's What Love Is For, Amy is dressed in a red robe, (used in
witchcraft rituals) flashing on the palms of her hands a six-pointed- star A HEX-
AGRAM! The hexagram is the most powerful and evil symbol in witchcraft! It is used
to place a "hex" or "curse" on someone by calling forth demons. And the primary
point of contact in the transmission of spirits is the hand!
Following the footsteps of Amy is Sandi Patti. Sandi says, "Music is a very powerful
force. . . . Why cant we take that same powerful force- music-put POSITIVE lyrics to
it and begin shaping values?" This is the same goal of the satanic positive-thinking,
new-age movement. The Bible says "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."
NEGATIVE! In her sentimental new-age, love-song "Love in Any Language", she
sings: Love in any language/ Straight from the heart pulls us all together/ Never apart/
And once we learn to speak it/ All the world will hear. That s the same new-age-unity
garbage of the Beatles (remember "All You Need is Love") and John Lennon's
"Imagine" (which is the theme song for the New Age): Imagine all the people/ Living
life in peace . . . Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world/. . . I hope someday you
ll join us/ And the world will be as one.
Sandi Patti is the highest paid Gospel entertainer in the world, averaging $75,000 for a
two-hour performance (not to mention profits from T-shirts, records, etc). At $37,000
an hour who is Sandi Patti really serving? God or mammon? Jesus Christ said in
Matthew 6:24, "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and
love the other; . . .Ye cannot serve God and mammon."
One of the most disturbing performers is Michael W. Smith. The "idol" of screaming
young Christian girls, Inside Music, Jan/Feb 91, says, "His concerts draw hundreds of
thousands of fans each year, mostly teenage girls who scream out their AFFECTION
FOR HIM non-stop throughout. . . . To his fans, Smith is the absolute greatest there is,
BAR NONE . . ." What a mockery of the Lord Jesus Christ who "made himself of no
reputation" (Philippians 2:7).
On the back of Smith's album The Big Picture, is Michael W. Smith - BACKWARDS!
A common satanic practice, taught by satanist Aliester Crowley (Crowley is very
popular in the rock music world). Having counseled teenagers in satanism, I know one
of the first signs of satanic influence is writing backwards! Something even more
frightening appears on the album . . . The M in Michael and the T in Smith is part of
the Runic (runic means secret) alphabet used in witchcraft and satanism! Only
someone involved in the occult would know such an alphabet exists! In the book, Web
of Darkness, former satanist Sean Sellers says, "Runes are the oldest form of occult
knowledge and magic . . . their use sets a person against God."
Michael W. Smith - BACKWARDS!
Notice the Runic M and T!
The most popular song in rock history is the satanically inspired "Stairway to Heaven"
by the group Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin are devout followers of satanist Aliester
Crowley. In the song "Stairway to Heaven" they sing, There's a feeling I get/ When I
look to the WEST. . . Why the WEST? In the occult the west is sacred! In Crowley's
book MAGICK: In Theory and Practice, he says of the occultist "in the WEST he
gains energy." Michael W. Smith "curiously" has an album titled Go West Young
Man. In the song "Go West Young Man", he openly sings: I'm blazing a trail/ That
leads to VICE/ So easily enticed/BY DARKER MEANS . . .
And God's people defend and promote this satanic filth!
Inside Music magazine, Jan/Feb 91, interviewing Michael W. Smith said, "There s
also the influence of such groups as Alan Parsons in your music. It s especially
noticeable on the first record, the Michael W. Smith Project (named after Alan Parsons
s album, The Alan Parsons Project)." And Smith s reply, "DEFINITELY!" C'mon
Smith! Alan Parsons is among the most occultic active in rock! Alan Parsons has
songs titled: "Lucifer", the blasphemous "Genesis Ch 1 v32" (there is no Genesis
Chapter 1 verse 32!). And Michael W. Smith claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ!
Have you wondered, why the name Jesus is not found on Smith s last four albums?
Webster dictionary defines "blasphemy" as "lack of reverence for God." Blasphemy
saturates Christian rock, such as the blasphemous "humor" of Carman Dominic
Licciardello, better known as Carman. His blasphemous, street-jive, dialogue between
John the Baptist and Jesus Christ as teenagers on his video Live.. . Radically Saved is
digusting! Here's a sample of Carman's blasphemy:
JOHN: "Hey man, Hey cuz, Whatchoo doin man? I ain t seen you in a long time.
HEY,
BABY." (John calling Jesus baby!) Jesus turns and says, "Hey, what s up, John?"
See, Jesus is always cool; he s always together. He s got his thing together, y know,
Then Carman blasphemously imitates the Lord Jesus Christ walking hip-jive doing
what Carman calls "THE MESSIAH WALK". UNGODLY! BLASPHEMY!
JOHN: "This is wild, brother, now I don t know. Man, I never had anybody in my
family MAKE IT BIG . . ."
Jesus "MADE IT BIG"? Jesus Christ died a curse for sinful man! See Gal. 3:13, 2 Cor
5:17! Jesus Christ was "despised and rejected of men" (Isa 53:3). Is "MAKING IT
BIG" being beaten, smitten, spit upon, mocked and crucified?
Carman's Ressurection Rap video portrays the Lord Jesus Christ as a confused street
hippie, while the pharisees and apostles are black street gang members! The
crucifixion takes place, not on Calvary - but in a back alley gang fight! The Lord Jesus
Christ is buried in a GARBAGE DUMPSTER. And naturally Carman includes the
occult (Carman's videos are soaked in occult imagery!) as satanic tarot cards tell the
Calavry story!
Carman's PERVERTED humor is the lowest BLASPHEMY I've ever heard!
And God's people defend this trash!
Carman s video, Witch's Invitation, is drenched in satanic symbols. Pentegrams (a five
pointed star, found on the cover of the satanic Bible) and the satanic salute (index and
pinky finger displayed, also found on the back of the satanic Bible) are flaunted in the
video.
How come these Christian rock stars advertise for the devil? Somebody says, but
Carman isn't serious. That's what Motley Crue, Ozzy Osbourne, Slayer, and others
say! We're not serious, just having a little fun, just selling some records!
Birds of a feather, flock together!
And now there's even Christian Rap!
Like the group DC Talk. Ecclesiastes 1:9 says, " . . .there is NO NEW THING under
the sun." But not according to DC Talk. In "Nu Thang" they blasphemously sing: God
is doin a NU THANG/ through our music. And where did DC Talk get together? At
Jerry Falwell's Liberty University! And what does Brother Falwell think of his
"rapping-rockers"? In Calendar magazine, Falwell says, "During Toby, Michael, and
Kevin's tenure at Liberty University, it was obvious to me that God had great plans for
these three young men and their powerful program . . ." That's quite a statement by
Brother Falwell, considering that Kevin was kicked out of Liberty for a "drinking"
problem!
And just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse the bottom fell out!
With long womanish hair, earrings, mascara, lip-gloss, eye shadow and effeminate
clothes Stryper demolished any convictions left in Christian music! How Christians
tolerate such ungodly behavior is frightening! And despite the Bible's clear warnings!
1 Corinthians 6:9 says ". . . Be not deceived: neither fornicators, . . . NOR
EFFEMINATE, . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God." The demonic creatures from
the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:8 are described as "their faces were as the faces of
men. And they had hair as THE HAIR OF WOMEN. . ."!
Robert Sweet of Stryper
"...NOR EFFEMINATE, ... shall inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Corinthians 6:9!
Stryper is not exactly "good little Christian boys." In 1989 Stryper toured with secular
rockers White Lion. Drummer, Greg D Angelo, says, "We threw a party . . . About
two in the morning ROBERT SWEET WAS WHACKED! DRUNK! He was being
dragged around on his tiptoes by two women holding him up!" Stryper also toured
with the perverted secular group WASP (whose name stands for We Are Sex
Perverts). WASP Singer Blackie Lawless drinks blood on stage from a human skull.
The concert tour was called "HEAVEN AND HELL"! And Stryper has the nerve to
sing "In God We Trust"!
Bass player Tim Gaines says , " . . . we NEVER wanted to get caught up in the whole
Christian music scene in the first place. . ." Drummer Robert Sweet confesses, " . . .
we're about the MOST UNRELIGIOUS Christian band you could imagine. . ." And
according to lead singer, Michael Sweet, "In fact, religion has NOTHING to do with
what Stryper s all about."
Stryper guitarist Oz Fox s real name is Richard Martinez. Why does Richard use the
name Oz Fox? Because of an obsession with satanist rocker OZZY OSBOURNE! In
fact, on one album he's listed as "OZZIE" Fox!
The name Stryper supposedly comes from Isaiah 53:5 (with his STRIPES we are
healed), but in Youth magazine Stryper guitarist Oz Fox tells the real reason: "One day
Robert came up with Stryper because it rhymed with hyper . . ." It has nothing to do
with Isaiah 53! They admittedly didn t make the connection to Isaiah 53 till somebody
showed them!
Stryper wears the number "777" supposedly depicting the Biblical number of
perfection. But "777" is highly esteemed in witchcraft and satanism! Satanist Aliester
Crowley wrote a book titled "777". The Treasury of Witchcraft says of the number
seven: "this number, in occult rites, possessed mystic implications . . .POWERFUL:
TRIPLE REPETITION is characteristic of magic ritual."
Stryper's logo is a triangle with the number "7" in each corner. According to David
Meyer, an authority on the occult, the logo, "is one of the most powerful of all
SATANIC SYMBOLS. . ."!
How come these Christian performers continually flash SATANIC SYMBOLS?
The evidence is overwhelming!
CHRISTIAN ROCK IS SOAKED IN SATANIC INFLUENCE!
One of Stryper's albums is titled To Hell With the Devil. Everyone assumes that To
Hell With The Devil means for Satan to go to hell. But, in light of the above
information is it REALLY an invitation to go "To Hell WITH The Devil"?
Author and researcher Texe Marrs, discovered a network of satanists, called
Radicals. And one of their rules they should only listen to Christian Rock!
Steve Taylor blatantly sings in "This Disco (Used to be a Cute Cathedral)": Got no
need for altar calls/ Sold the altar for the mirror balls . . . Sell your holy habitats/ that
ship's been deserted by sinking rats. Taylor openly confesses his goal for young people
is: "develop a world view, and TO QUESTION AUTHORITY. . ." Just what Satan did
in the Garden of Eden! "YEA, HATH GOD SAID..." (Genesis 3:1)
Bloodgood sings songs like "Eat the Flesh", "Alone in Suicide", and "Mad Dog
World". Michael Bloodgood, says, "We're like Billy Graham with guitars, . . . " Their
song, "Shakin It", says: He s a sinner though he d never be found/ He got caught with
his own pants down/ Can't imagine how he must have felt/ He should ve tightened-up
his Bible belt . . .
Glen Fraiser of The Rez Band says, " . . . We're musical John the Baptists . . . I think
God's called us to be prophets . . ." Whose prophets are they? In their song "Fiend or
Foul" they sing for Satan IN THE FIRST PERSON: I kill the children before they' re
born/ their little feet begin to form/ Don't buy them shoes, they won't be worn/ I kill
children/ I am not scorned. The occult influence on their album, "Rainbow Inn", is
obvious! A Mother Goddess with serpent like hair, is sitting in a satanic circle!
White Heart very "subtilty" (See Genesis 3:1) flashes on the cover of their album,
Power House the satanic salute on a bowling ball! In 1985 their lead singer was
arrested for child molestation!
Petra recorded the song "God Gave Rock And Roll To You" one of the most perverted
songs ever recorded! They sing: God gave rock and roll to you/ put it in the soul of
everyone. . . SICK! PERVERTED! BLASPHEMY! Who but a SPIRITUAL IDIOT
would think a holy God gave the rebellion of rock'n roll! The same song is on the
perverted group KISS's latest album! Their name supposedly is the greek word "petra"
meaning rock. But Petra was also the capital of ancient Edom, a pagan land according
to Malachi 1:4 ". . . whom the Lord hath indignation for ever"! Petra was the place
of SATANIC HUMAN SACRIFICES! And their song "Praise Ye the Lord" says
CLEARLY backwards "HAIL SATAN"!
The Daniel Band's logo is a satanic lightning bolt (Luke 10:18) the same as satanic
rockers: KISS, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Slayer and others. They blasphemously sing,
There's a party in Heaven/ The bread is unleaven/ The tree of life is growin' fine/ It's
way past eleven/ My number is seven/ The Lamb and I are drinkin' new wine.
These bands have no fear of God!
Mylon LeFevre, (of the LeFevre Family) used to call his rock group "Holy Smoke",
and at their concerts threw rolling papers in the crowd to roll their own joints and
make "holy smoke"! A former heroin addict, Mylon says, "Jesus is coming, and it's all
cool."
Philippians 4:8 says, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are TRUE, . . . HONEST, .
. . JUST, . . .PURE, . . . LOVELY, . . . think on these things."
Here are some "lovely" names of Christian rock bands: Torn Flesh, Choose Death,
Dancing Naked, Black Medallion, Lust Control, X-Sinner, Lethal Fix, Brimstone,
Take 6 (interesting name see Rev 13:18), Cut The Crap, Love Kills, and Infected. Pure
songs like "Praise The Lord - Beat My Head In", and "Drown the Devil in the Urinal".
How about these "lovely" Christ-uplifting lyrics: "I love my dog, and he loves me/He
uses my leg when he has to pee . . ."
Just twenty-seconds after Vengeance's album Once Dead came out stores began
banning it! On their song"Beheaded" they sing: "I want (my) head chopped off/ You'll
see (my) body rot/ But then (I'll) reign with Christ/ And then you will fry..." (The song
ends with tortured human screams). Vengeance can also be found on the filthy secular
Hard'N Heavy grind-core videos, along with satanic groups Godflesh and Napalm
Death!
How's One Bad Pig for a godly, Christian name! The advertisement for their live
album, Blow the House Down, says, "They're loose again! And this time it's live,
unbridled mayhem. . . On stage screaming, stomping, slam dancing, stage diving,
PLEADING AND PRAYING. It's the absolute wildest Christian concert ever
recorded, . . " Their song "You re a Pagan", says: Feeling low, smoke a joint/ Cuss real
loud, make your point/ . . . You re a pagan, that is what you be/ There's no fakin , fry
like bacon/You're a pagan.
Guess who's on their album I Scream Sunday? JOHNNY CASH! One Bad Pig does a
duet on Johnny's own Man in Black," done to the tune of the satanic AC/DC's "Back
in Black"!
Superstar, Mark Farner, of Grand Funk Railroad, the supergroup of the 70 s, is now
"singing for Jesus." One of his albums is Some Kind of Wonderful. Sound familiar? It
was a sinful, lustful, mega hit for Grand Funk. Farner changed a few words and did a
remake for Jesus! (not to mention the bucks he made for Mark Farner!)
When He (she) holds me in His (her) arms.
You know it sets my soul on fire.
Yeah when my savior's (baby's) lovin' me.
My old heart becomes filled with desire.
When He (she) wraps His (her) lovin' arms around me.
It 'bout drives me out of my mind
. . .Well my Jesus (baby), He's (she's) alright.
My savior (baby) is clean out of sight.
Don't ya know that He (she) is some kind of wonderful.
(original lyrics in parenthesis).
PERVERTED BLASPHEMY!
The group, Betrayal, says, "One of the band's goals is to educate and inform people to
THE REALITIES OF SATANISM AND THE OCCULT. . ." Their album,
Renaissance by Death, is filled with references to Satan, demons, and devils! The song
"Fallen Deceived" says, Indescribable sounds of horror/ As another screams to die/
Rising up in sorrow from hopelessness/ As millions in anguish they cry/ Heckling
demons mocking their victims. . . WE'LL ALL ROT IN DAMNATION. . . The song
"Escaping the Altar" is about a satanic human sacrifice and the victim does not escape!
Guitarist Marcus Colon says as a teenager "l was very, 100 percent dedicated in my
mind and in my heart to pursuing THE ART OF SATANISM. . ."
The thrasher group, Mortification, (how's that for a godly name!) sings "Terminate
Damnation", "Inflamed", and "Lymphosarcoma". In "Necromanicide", they sing:
Rotting corpses buried deep/Decomposing in a mangled heap/ Unable to speak at all/
Only demons answer their call. . . Friend, you'd have to hear this ungodly noise to
believe it! It's deep growling sounds come straight from hell!
The group, Tourniquet, wears on stage, the most satanic symbol found - the Goat of
Mendes-Pentegram on their shirts (of course it s X ed out)! Drummer Ted Kirkpatrick,
declares, "We're really into allegory, really into SYMBOLISM, . . ." In "Vital Fading"
they sing, Wrinkled hands reach out for cold metal rails/ This decrepit life is so frail/
Body starts to shake in violent burning rigors. You'd have to see and hear these guys to
believe it! Tourniquet is one of the most popular Christian bands out! One of their big
supporters is author and rock critic Bob Larson! Their song "Let Us Pray"(or is it "Let
Us Prey"?) was number-one for 24 consecutive weeks. The longest running number-
one song in gospel music history!
Victor Macias, ot Tourniquet, wearing a
Pentegram on his shirt, the universal symbol of
satanism! With a goats head inside!
We've come along way from Dallas Holmes "Rise Again".
Satan found a way in and he has defiled Christian music!
". . . Know ye not that a little leaven LEAVENETH THE WHOLE LUMP?"
1 Cor 5:6:
But, some Christian rock performers do sing about the Lord.
How is that possible, if satanic influence is involved? Mark 5:6 says of the man
possessed with devils, "when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and WORSHIPPED him."
The unclean spirit worshipped Jesus and called him, "thou Son of the most high God".
It s not unusual for demons to speak of Jesus or God.
In Acts 16:16, a girl "possessed with a spirit of divination" followed Paul and Silas
saying (vs 17), "These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us
the way of salvation". But verse 18 says, "But, Paul, being grieved, turned and said to
the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. . ."
The MESSAGE was fine, but the MEDIUM was satanic!
The same as Christian rock!
THE MEDIUM IS SATANIC No matter what the message!
Rock has always been and will always be the "devils' music"!
Sex pervert and rock star, David Bowie, said, "Rock has always been THE DEVILS
MUSIC."
Rocker Lita Ford says, "Listen, rock'n roll AIN'T CHURCH . It s nasty business. . ."
Christian rock star, Randy Matthews opened concerts for Lynyrd Skynyrd and ZZ Top
(not exactly a Sunday School crowd!). Guess what happened? Let Randy tell you:
" . . . I GET UNPLUGGED at a big music festival in Pennsylvania with a band I
had put together to open tour for Lynyrd Skynyrd and ZZ Top. It was a Christian band,
all Christian guys, but the people THOUGHT WE WERE SATANIC. So they
unplugged us in front of 25,000 people. . ."
The lost people actually thought they were satanic, went over and literally unplugged
them! How's that for "using rock as a tool of evangelism"!
Jesus said in Luke 16:8, ". . . the children of this world are in their generation wiser
than the children of light."
There's no such thing as "Christian rock music".
Just like there's no such thing as "Christian adultery" or "Christian homosexuality".
When it's rock, it ceases to be Christian.
If you're listening to Christian rock STOP! If you re in a church feeding you this stuff
GET OUT!
There s only one "Christian rock" and "THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST" (1 Cor 10:4).
"For their rock is not as our Rock, . . ."Deuteronomy 32:31
Todd Masters
certainly make mistakes, but it just isn't as bad as this guy likes to
paint it. Smells like Gothard.
King David played the guitar, and look what happened to him: adultery
and murder in the same week!
I suppose one could assert that all preachers are satanic, and support
the argument with all the kooks and charlatans that exist, but it
ain't true.
Save us from false "narrow ways!"
/todd
Scholar and Fool
>In article <3u4kpj$h...@Isis.MsState.Edu> Charles Evans,
>ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu writes:
>>Having counseled teenagers in satanism, I know one
>>of the first signs of satanic influence is writing backwards!
That's it. I'm a goner. One of my favorite things to do for several
years was to write letters to my friends all backwards...I'm talking
pages and pages. I never really did think about it being from the
influence of satan. Of course, looking back on it, I suppose the
voices saying "Write for Satan, foolish one! Worship our master! Get
a liberal arts degree!" should have been a tip-off. Thank God I saved
myself from certain doom by getting an engineering degree and being
brain-washed into not being able to use the artistic side of my brain.
>>Something even more frightening appears on the album . . .
even more frightening than the picture of Michael W. Smith!?
>>The M in Michael and the T in Smith is part of
>>the Runic (runic means secret) alphabet used in witchcraft and satanism!
>>Only someone involved in the occult would know such an alphabet exists!
This was the funniest part for me I think. The fact is, anyone who bothers
to look in an encyclopedia, and even some dictionaries, can find these
"secret" alphabet letters. Some occult-person accidentally let the cat
out of the bag and now the secret is in books all over the place. Or
maybe dictionaries and encyclopedias aren't places where you'd ever find
the folk who write these type of tracts, thus their lack of knowledge in
these matters.
>>In the book, Web of Darkness, former satanist Sean Sellers says,
>>"Runes are the oldest form of occult
>>knowledge and magic . . . their use sets a person against God."
Kinda like an instrument run through a distortion device, eh?
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Rich Magnuson
Thanks...I got a truly good kick out of reading that that! if I wasn't
at work I'd probably be laughing hysterically. (I guess photography is
satanic because people are "backwards" in the negatives?) wish I
had my stereo here so I could crank up One Bad Pig! I'm still so
surprised when folks believe some sound is somehow intrisnically evil,
especially if it doesn't conform to traditionally and culturally defined
norms. If God can be praised with hymns, why not reggae? Why not any
other type of world music? 'Cuz it's not Western? It's taken me so long
to learn it's whats in the heart that matters...
...and I didn't make that up. Paul says it a lot..read Acts.
BTW, I've been wondering what HAS become of One Bad Pig?
Anybuddy know? They put out that "best of" album, which left me
wondering if we'd ever hearf from 'em again...
Rich
Douglas C Pearson
>Next. Got this from a NEW and great Bible Web site called
>the Dial-The-Truth Ministires.. Check em out!!! http://ns.secis.com/truth
>Next. I agree with 99% of what is on the page and SOME of what I have
>included below (the electronic form of a paper tract concerning Christian
>Rock music. I've read a lot of stuff on the subject (of how it is wrong, evil
>and what not) but LOTS of what Mr. Watkins presents in many "quotes" Ive
>never seen before and wonder if anyone can collaborate. Just read and see
>what you think. I've emailed him already 3 times about differnt things in
>it that I am disagreeing with. His email is:
> spu...@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu
>If you email him please post a copy to rec.music.christian or at least to
>me cev...@bme.utmem.edu I'd liek to hear what you have to think about all
>this. Including the AMy Grant video of what she is wearing and the 'Runic
>letters' in the MWS The Big Picture cover/back cover... hope to hear some
>replies..
[web material snipped]
well, this reply will probably be not what you hoped for, charles... (and, just
so it's known that i'm not going around behind anybody's back, i've cc'ed terry
watkins in on this too...i've already tried communicating privately with him,
with no reply...)
to be quite honest, i've never seen a world wide web page that's more whacked
out in my life. the things that mr. watkins says about people like amy grant,
michael w. smith, steve taylor, white heart, rez band, stryper, randy matthews,
and even sandi/y patti/y and carman (and everybody on r.m.c knows what
<sarcasm> BIG FANS </sarcasm> i am of those two) are at best misrepresentations
and statements out of context, and at worst out-and-out lies [probably spread
with the best of intentions, but lies nonetheless], and more often than not
watkins spreads material that is obviously heard second hand and is blatantly
wrong.
in other words, he's likely never listened to the stuff, and is merely trying
to "save us from ourselves."
example: a guy named glen fraiser from the rez band is quoted. there is
nobody in rez band by the name of glen fraiser. there is a glenn KAISER who
sings lead vocals and plays guitar, though...the rez song "fiend or foul" is
also quoted, which talks about abortion from the abortionist's point of view...
watkins makes the error of assuming that the song talks about the bands point
of view. if it is, rez band obviously doesn't take a very high view of
themselves...
example: a lyric from the michael w. smith song "go west young man" is quoted:
"i'm blazing a trail that leads to vice
so easily enticed by darker means..."
and leaves it at that, leading the reader to assume that's all there is, and
smith is content with being enticed into darkness. however, if watkins were to
go on with the lyric, he would find the words:
"but out of the wilderness, a choice
i hear the still small voice call to me
go west young man, go west young man when the evil go east..."
which obviously implies that "blazing a trail that leads to vice" is bad, and
"hearing the still small voice" is good.
example: the cover of white heart's _powerhouse_ album has a picture of a
bowler sending the ball down the lane between his legs. watkins claims this is
satanic. am i nuts, or does this just not make a bit of sense?
i could go on, but i think my point is made. it would really behoove mr.
watkins to do a little research on the claims he makes before he makes them.
i believe there is a case that can be made against christian rock as it exists
now, but terry watkins' poor tactics and poorer assumption (i.e., all rock
music is evil) is not the way that case will be made.
and i haven't even spent that much time on more basic theological issues (i.e.,
if God is truly soverign over anything and everything, who are you to say that
He can't use a specific kind of music for His glory?).
i welcome all rebuttals, as always.
chuck
--
chuck pearson - dope...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
osu biophysics program, bio113 head ta, daddy of amelia catherine pearson.
Christopher C Parks
to. I figured one or more of the r.m.c. regulars would say what I felt,
and do it better than I could.)
In article <3u60qm$8...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dope...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
(Douglas C Pearson) writes [lots and lots of stuff snipped]:
>to be quite honest, i've never seen a world wide web page that's more whacked
>out in my life.
Hear, hear! I haven't been browsing the web for very long, and haven't
looked at many sites, but I don't expect to see anything to match Mr.
Watkins's rantings anytime soon.
>the things that mr. watkins says about people like amy grant,
>michael w. smith, steve taylor, white heart, rez band, stryper, randy matthews,
>and even sandi/y patti/y and carman (and everybody on r.m.c knows what
><sarcasm> BIG FANS </sarcasm> i am of those two) are at best misrepresentations
>and statements out of context, and at worst out-and-out lies [probably spread
>with the best of intentions, but lies nonetheless], and more often than not
>watkins spreads material that is obviously heard second hand and is blatantly
>wrong.
>
>in other words, he's likely never listened to the stuff,
Chuck, you are your usual lucid self. I think your analysis is "spot-on."
>and is merely trying to "save us from ourselves."
>
I _hope_ that's his motivation. It looks to me like Mr. Watkins sees the
enemy behind every rock ;) and is shooting at random out of paranoia.
(NB: I have no clinical training in Psychology, so that's my layman's
opinion, not a diagnosis.)
I can't remember the last time I have read anything as hysterical in tone
(and I don't mean hysterically funny) as Mr. Watkins' diatribe. Mr.
Watkins' perspective is extremely distorted, and he hasn't bothered to
get his facts straight. He has zero credibility. If he told me that the
sky usually looks blue, that gravity holds me on the earth, and that God
loves me, I would look for external corroboration of all three statements.
peace,
chris
Jim Kinnison
>
> by Terry Watkins
>
<stuff and nonsense deleted>
ROTFL!!!
Well, maybe he's right about Carmen ... (that's a joke, son)
Jim
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The Johns Hopkins University | "Mufasa."
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BSey
Austin is a hotbed of satanic activity. We regularly gather 60-70,000
"Satanists" in Memorial Stadium on a lovely fall Saturday afternoon to
practice chanting and flashing our "devil sign".
Hook 'Em Horns...
BSey
(who suspects that the original author of the document in question came
from College Station) 8-)
Jeroen J-W Tiggelman
Douglas C Pearson <dope...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Charles Evans <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
>>Next. Got this from a NEW and great Bible Web site called
>>the Dial-The-Truth Ministires.. Check em out!!! http://ns.secis.com/truth
Total crap. As for the track about rock music: that's been dealt with last
year. it was posted to I-don't-know-how-many-newsgroups on the 'net, and
flamed to death as it deserved to be, containing all the factual and
interpretational nonsense it does, to which I contributed on the metal
newsgroup, talk,religion,misc and soc.religion.christian (unfortunately
I only kept the latter one, but..).
>in other words, he's likely never listened to the stuff, and is merely trying
>to "save us from ourselves."
Right.
"From heaven sent by the King of Kings
To save us from ourselves and mortal sins
God knows forgiveness, it's human to fail
In life, death and other morbid tales
Tales of wonders, and walks upon water
Nothing but sorrow is what they've brought here..."
-- Memento Mori, "Heathendom"
--
--Jeroen------------------------------------------------------
Tigg...@StPC.WI.LeidenUniv.NL JTig...@WI.LeidenUniv.NL
Bones
BACKWARDS!
>A common satanic practice, taught by satanist Aliester Crowley (Crowley
is very
>popular in the rock music world). Having counseled teenagers in
satanism, I know one
>of the first signs of satanic influence is writing backwards! Something
even more
>frightening appears on the album . . . The M in Michael and the T in
Smith is part of
>the Runic (runic means secret) alphabet used in witchcraft and satanism!
Only
>someone involved in the occult would know such an alphabet exists! In
the book, Web
>of Darkness, former satanist Sean Sellers says, "Runes are the oldest
form of occult
>knowledge and magic . . . their use sets a person against God."
>
That's it, I'm taking all my Mickey Mouse shirts that have Mickey Mouse
backwards on the back and burning them. In fact I think I'll take out
the reverse gear in my car too. Aaaaaarg, I just realized that all our
city ambulances are satanic!!
I must say, I have never seen a bigger pile of excrement in this news
group. No references (maybe one) for the quotes. Most scriptures taken
completely out of context. I actually cannot believe how paranoid and
downrignt idiotic this guy is. I thought I'd seen it all, till lunch
today that is.
>Having counseled teenagers in satanism
Just think what he would have done with the above quote if he was writing
an expose on himself. - ........ having admitted to teaching satanism to
teenagers, the one time fanatical Christian has doomed himself to being a
mere pawn of Satan himself. He has admitted to learning the Runic
alphabet and utilizing all the most powerful satanic symbols known to man
and his master - THE DEVIL (notice Devil is the word evil with a D in
front of it). This Satanist must be avoided. He actually goes to
Christian churches and brings Satanic materials INSIDE! .......
One last note: Is it just me, or is this guy on the cutting edge of
what's happening today in Rock? Come on - WASP?
Bones
Logan Shaw
> BACKWARDS! A common satanic practice, taught by satanist Aliester
> Crowley (Crowley is very popular in the rock music world). Having
> counseled teenagers in satanism, I know one of the first signs of
> satanic influence is writing backwards! Something even more frightening
> appears on the album . . . The M in Michael and the T in Smith is part
> of the Runic (runic means secret) alphabet used in witchcraft and
> satanism! Only someone involved in the occult would know such an
> alphabet exists!
Which would mean that you, Charles Evans, are involved in the occult. And
therefore, we shouldn't listen to you, because all you're going to do is
lead us astray. And not only that, I guess all the people who have read
your article (including myself) must also be involved in the occult
because they now know that such an alphabet exists. And a good portion of
the typographers in the world, and ...
CCM trivia for the day: name the artist, album, and song which
contains the quote, "I pity the fool that don't have no witch hunt!"
Bonus: provide a reliable reference source which indicates whether it
really was Mr. T or just an imitation of him.
- Logan
--
"I was standin' at the corner / Of Houston and Lee T-Bone
Old lady walked up to me / Tried to help me cross the street Burnett
Come home / oh no, baby, come home "Come Home"
I'm pleadin' with you darlin' / Please don't leave me alone" _Truth_Decay_
BSey
>
>Of course, looking back on it, I suppose the voices saying
>"Write for Satan, foolish one! Worship our master! Get a liberal arts
>degree!" should have been a tip-off.
Yep. Another would-be English major saved from the pit. See there,
there's something to this English-Major bashing after all.
HEAR ME NOW...
REPENT all ye English Majors, and pursuer's of other degrees that
doth amount to 12 ozs worth of doo-doo. Hell doth await thee, and
the demons there shall torment thee endlessly, making thee operate
the French Fry machine throughout all eternity. And as thy sweat
pours down thy body, thine ears shall hear the utterances of thy
damnation: "Would you like to make that a large Coke sir for
20 cents more?". And in the misdst of thy suffering, thou shalt
cast thine eyes upward, and thou shalt behold thy classmates who
wavered not in their convictions, and who are now civil engineers,
doctors, and lawyers. And they shall gaze upon thee, but they will
not remember thee until they read thy name tag. And their eyes shall
betray a genuine sense of superiority, and they shall ask for extra
ketchup, and shall argue with thee over coupons which hath previously
expired. And their children shall scream and cry, and spill soft
drinks on the floor. And the demons shall send thee forth to mop
up the spill and to empty the trash, while they watch Monday Night
Football on the small portable tv in the Manager's office.
So REPENT NOW I tell you, while there is still time and thou dost have
5 years of college still ahead of thee. Declareth thy major before
thy senior year! Turn away from thy temptation, and pursue not that
Commercial Art degree as dost the wicked! Turn away from thy
temptation, and pursue not that degree in Music casting thy pearls
before the swine! Seek not to obtain that Masters Degree in French
as doth the unemployed. For if thy name is not found in the list of
graduates of the applied sciences the gates of IBM shall surely
be closed to you. And thou shalt be cast out of the personnel office,
and the personnel director shall smirk at thy application for employment.
And thou shalt be forced to live at home with thy parents for all the
days of thy life.
YE HAVE BEEN WARNED...
Christopher C Parks
wrote gobs of funny stuff, ending with...
>And thou shalt be forced to live at home with thy parents for all the
>days of thy life.
>
>YE HAVE BEEN WARNED...
>
And it came to pass, in those days, that Chris laughed in great measure,
till the tears fell from his eyes.....
Then there was a great quiet, and Chris saith: Yea, verily, thou has hit
it on the head, sir.
peace...
Jerry B. Ray
>No....God has never given the
>authority to the devil to make anything. Therefore Satanic music does not
>exist.
I'm not usually one to cry "Satanic," but there _is_ some pretty messed-up
stuff out there. Just because the devil doesn't play the guitar personally
(he plays the fiddle, right?) doesn't mean that there isn't music played in
his honor.
And no, Hotel California isn't a valid example.
JRjr
--
'Summer's going fast, nights growing colder
Children growing up, old friends growing older
The innocence slips away...'--Rush, Time Stand Still
##### vap...@prism.gatech.edu ######## Jerry B. Ray, Jr. ################
Cheng
type of person, but I'm slightly tick off. (Don't want to sound too
angry...our friend who wrote the message would say I've been effected
by the devil's music).
First off, I don't think (IMO...I may be wrong though...I'm not perfect
ya know) Terry Waltkins will not listen to anything we may have to say
on the topic.
The thing that get's me the most are the quotes. He didn't give any
sources of his quotes, (except for maybe his mention of Gary Chapman on
a people magaize...while on the note...so what if Gary had a cocaine
addiction...It would of been nice to know if he was over the addiction
or not...which leads me to my next problem with his quotes). It
seemed he may of taken the quotes out of context. ie, the gary chapman
reference.
> " . . . I GET UNPLUGGED at a big music festival in Pennsylvania
>with a band I
>had put together to open tour for Lynyrd Skynyrd and ZZ Top. It was a
>Christian band,
>all Christian guys, but the people THOUGHT WE WERE SATANIC. So they
>unplugged us in front of 25,000 people. . ."
>
>The lost people actually thought they were satanic, went over and
>literally unplugged
>them! How's that for "using rock as a tool of evangelism"!
Where in the first quote does it say that the audience was lost.
Hmmm...Music Festival in Pennsylvania...Hmmm...I wonder
Ok...My response was uncalled for. Just because I don't agree with his
opinion doesn't mean I should get all angry and everything. Actually
It's late, and I don't really know what I'm typing anyway. So I'll
just stop now. Thanks for reading more boring incorherent message.
Bobthony
ISAO BERED
after reading "blessed or blasphemy" i went directly to the music store.
and sure enough, just as i suspected, right next to "hotel california" by
the eagles was "rainbow inn" by ressurection band! what was even
spookier, was the "psycho" video for sale on the opposing aisle with the
picture of the bates motel on the front. i cannot help but think it was a
sign from god, a big ol' billboard lit at night, saying to me "you're
goin' to hell, son!"
very disturbed, i returned home and applied the c.r.i. to my considerable
music collection and found 66.6% of them rated under fifty. i felt so, so
, so..... hmmmm... unwashed! what was enlightening to me, though, was
that my "satanic" albums mentioned jesus and god more specifically than my
"christian" ones and therefore rated highest. what am i to do, brothers
and sisters? maybe i will just permanently check out, even though i can
never leave. :-)
there really is not much left for a totally lost person (such as myself)
to do other than to spend my time in bowling alleys. most of the guys
there are about as "scruffy" as m.w.s. appears on his album covers, drink
beer, and inconspicuously flash each other satanic hand signs. (and all
this time i thought they were just expressing their unspoken, secret love
for each other.) i'll just get one of those helmets with rear view
mirrors that some cyclists wear so i can bowl backward and read everything
in reverse.
!lla uoy ot evol dna ecaep tnadnuba
(-; (saw i thguoht tsael ta ro) ma i dna
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it is right it should be so / man was made for joy & woe / and when this
we rightly know / thro the world we safely go / joy & woe are woven fine /
a clothing for the soul divine / under every grief & pine / runs a joy
with silken twine
from "auguries of innocence" - william blake
and i am isao bered
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SChrist
Evans) wrote:
> ------------------------
>
> CHRISTIAN ROCK - BLESSING OR BLASPHEMY?
>
> by Terry Watkins
>
> In the early 1950's, Cleveland disc jockey Allan Freed, revolutionized the music
> world. . .
>
> Borrowing a ghetto term for sexual fornication, he coined the term "ROCK N ROLL".
> The Encyclopaedia Britannica Yearbook for 1956 described rock n roll as, "insistent
> savagery . . .deliberately competing with the artistic ideals of the jungle."
>
> The Christian community cried against this "tool of Satan." But in the 70's, a sinister
> hand began planting a small, but deadly seed. And the walls began to crumble. And
> like a raging hurricane, rock began desecrating the sacred music of the church. In they
> came; Bill Gaither, the Imperials, Dallas Holmes, Randy Stonehill, Keith Greene, and
> others.
I can't believe that this person said this. I knew right away I was in for
a long read. Keith Greene?
<shaking head>
Today, rock music is a common companion of the church. And as you ll soon
> read; the rebellion, the sexual theme, the blasphemy, the occult influence are found
> "lurking under the cover" of Christian rock.
Lurking? This people is a sign of manipulative language, used much in the
way a prosecuting attorney might use a word like "heartless, savage...." in
opening remarks to a jury, before ever presenting one lick o evidence. The
conclusion is that you are dealing with someone who is biased, and who
wants you only to think as he thinks, rather than present the facts and let
people decide "test" and weigh the spirits on their own. Strike 1.
> The queen-bee of Christian rock is Amy Grant. Amy's song, "Baby, Baby", was
> unprecedented in Gospel Music topping the chart as the number-one spot on Billboard
> magazine. Is the secular world "turning on" to Jesus? Not hardly. . . People magazine
> says of Amy s video Baby, Baby, "There s saintly Amy cuddling some hunky guy,
> crooning "Baby, Baby" into his ear and looking pretty SLEEK AND SINFUL. . ."
> Amy confesses, "I m trying to look SEXY to sell a record . . ."
Queen bee, another example folks. And we're only at the beginning. Strike
2. In the future, all such manipulative and biased remarks will be noted
with an "*" around them. Note also the use of CAPITAL LETTERS, another
form of trying to make part of the text jump out, and to get your mind to
focus on it. When you have read the whole text of his thesis, your mind has
grabbed words like, SEX, DRUGS, BARNEY, etc. Presumably, THE AUTHOR DOES
NOT THINK THE AVERAGE READER CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WORDS MEAN UNLESS THEY ARE
TYPED in ALL caps. Strike 3. One away.
Batter up. Notice the lack of tracible "evidence", i.e no dates, etc. If
you want credibility, give us the reader, the context of the interview or
quote, immediately before and after the damaging "evidence" EVEN if it has
nothing to do with what you surmise as being *damaging*. Strike 1
> The Bible says in 2 Timothy 2:22, "Flee also youthful lusts:", but Amy says, "Petting
> happens . . . As a teenager, when I gave part of me to someone, I knew I was just
> going to flirt, HAVE A LITTLE FUN, . . ."
At worst, condemn her for being honest, but don't call that an endorsement
on petting. View Amay as you like, but let God be judge and jury. Don't
buy her tape and encourage others to use discernment - THEN LEAVE IT
BETWEEN THEM AND GOD - Thank you. Strike 1 Ball 1.
> Amy says, ". . . I m isolated when I walk into a room and somebody says, She s a
> Christian and NOBODY OFFERS ME A JOINT and all the coke (cocaine) disappears.
> . ." Husband Gary Chapman confessed in People magazine of a recent eight-year
> cocaine and marijuana addiction! Amy also says, "I remember years ago - the first
> time I smelled anybody smoking a joint at a concert, I WAS THRILLED . . . it meant
> to me that obviously this person is not affected by the church peer pressure."
Again references please. Strike 2. Context too if you would be so kind.
Incidentially to show you how it is important to take context seriously, I
use two examples, one from the Bible, and two, from a more personal source,
your own posting.
Ahem
"And Judas went and hanged himself upon a tree." "Do thou likewise"
Now I will borrow words chosen from all over your text, and splice them
together and see what I come up with. No regard for context is assured, and
no references will be given, we must play fair, just as you did. To be
nice, however I will seperate each piece that is used by "" 's.
"I" "am" "a" "flashing" "sexy" "entertainer" "dressed in a red robe". "A
sinister hand" "is writing backwards" "I WAS THRILLED". "offer me a joint"
"HAVE A LITTLE FUN".
See, that's obviously not something you said, ah but you did, and I'm just
showing you the damage of ignoring the proper use of context. I could have
prefaced this by claiming. "I went to see the JUDGEMENTAL author in his
home to discuss this, and his comment was shocking, "I am a flashing sexy
entertainer dressed in a red robe...a sinister hand is writing
backwards....I was thrilled...offer me a joint...HAVE A LITTLE FUN."
I'll stop there. But I would like to respond to a few things, first, much
of the original church music was set to the tunes of songs sang in bars
<read seething slimepits of immorality>.
Second, Paul in his zeal to present Christ, said that he beacme many
things to win others for Christ. In a modern context, I don't think it's
inappropriate if people are using rap, to reach unsaved people who like
rap, with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I believe that a person needs discernment no matter what you are exposing
yourself to. Even the Bereans checked scriptures when Paul was teaching.
My only advice, is that we should feel free to share our feelings about the
music, if we like or don't like it, but don't try to ram those opinions
down each others throats, nor use shock treatments to pass a point that
wildly suggest that such people with opposite viewpoints are possesed by
Satan. Frankly, that is irresposible Christianity, and at some point you
will be held accountable for it.
Speak less, listen more, and practive the law of love, and stop supporting
the stereotype that all Christians are raging angry finger pointing
judgemental pushy people who want to force or scare you into seeing things
their way. I spent nearly 15 years running from Christ, because of people
like you.
Peace,
Sean
Cheng
(SChrist) writes:
>
>their way. I spent nearly 15 years running from Christ, because of
people
>like you.
>
>Peace,
>
>Sean
Hey Sean...nice points you made there...I couldn't have said it better
myself (heck...I can't say it better).
I little side note. After 15 years or running from Christ....It's nice
you have you with us. :)
Bobthony
James c Black
> CHRISTIAN ROCK - BLESSING OR BLASPHEMY?
>
> by Terry Watkins
A lot of time was put into this thing. Perhaps he should take a look at
the net in the same way. (I'm sure with what he'd find there, he would
need to abandon using the net).
j
Troy Miller
>of the first signs of satanic influence is writing backwards!
I, too, must be doomed, and at a very early age! Waaaaaaaay back near
the first grade, I wrote my OWN NAME BACKWARDS! Oh, to be possessed at
such a tender period and not even know it! And to think, to this day,
my friends still call me YORT, as a NICKNAME!
There is no hope...
Troy (or Yort) Miller
---
* OLX 2.1 TD * The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Clive
: Next. Got this from a NEW and great Bible Web site called
: the Dial-The-Truth Ministires.. Check em out!!! http://ns.secis.com/truth
<violent intro-gastric noises>
: Next. I agree with 99% of what is on the page and SOME of what I have
: included below (the electronic form of a paper tract concerning Christian
: Rock music.
i DISagree with 99% of it, mostly 99% propagandic nonsense.. LOTS of
misinterpretations, contextual violations, slanders, and wrong basic
"facts"...
i had edited a reply to most of this nonsense, but my machine crashed so..
: CHRISTIAN ROCK - BLESSING OR BLASPHEMY?
: by Terry Watkins
and on the 8th day (mourning) mr. watkins seeing the world did match
his expectations, created god in his own image. and on the
9th day (awakening), the phoenix of our personal discernment shall
arise from the conflagration....
"oh hitler in a robe of truth.." - live
"blind lead the blind devoid of truth
disharmony of madness, an orchestra of doom
can't believe you let them tell you what to be
you've locked away tomorrow, and given up the key" - solitude aeturnus
"i bow down before your precious ICON, deity of self-suppression.."
"as you eat another's words, malnourished you starve...
condensed meaning making no sense
open mouth the lines in stressed expression
understand the silence, the piercing calm sour music to your ears
as you regurgitate anothers words, in their shallowness you drown
silence has a definiton, vocabulary of muted diction
precise thought to miscomprehend
ambiguity in high resolution, articulate expletive fiction
open to misinterpretation - so precise" - carcass
"food for thought, so _prolific_
in contrasting shades, forcely fed,
abstraction, so _choking_, so _provocative_".. - carcass
music gets it's inspiration _from_ life... but it's so much easier
to blame something else right?.
clive
Dwayne Bailey
>CHRISTIAN ROCK - BLESSING OR BLASPHEMY?
>
> by Terry Watkins
>
>The Christian community cried against this "tool of Satan." But in the 70's, a sinister
>hand began planting a small, but deadly seed. And the walls began to crumble. And
>like a raging hurricane, rock began desecrating the sacred music of the church. In they
>came; Bill Gaither, the Imperials, Dallas Holmes, Randy Stonehill, Keith Greene, and
>others. Today, rock music is a common companion of the church. And as you ll soon
>read; the rebellion, the sexual theme, the blasphemy, the occult influence are found
>"lurking under the cover" of Christian rock.
>
What a scream. I've been laughing myself silly. Please, KEITH GREENE!!!!!!!
I think that perhaps we should send this poor man testimonies from people who have become
christians through the ministries of the artists that he slates in this article.
His e-mail address: spu...@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu
What's even funnier is that this guy is going to meet all these satanists in heaven one day.
cheers
Dwayne
Shaun Hervey
drivel about the backward picture on a Michael W. Smith record being a
common satanic practice). What peaked my curiosity the most was this: what
happened to all the apostrophes in this article? Was it written without
apostrophes or did they disappear when you copied the article from the
Web? Sorry, it was so unusual that I just had to ask.
--
Shaun Hervey
Jeroen J-W Tiggelman
Bones <mcn...@ppd.jsc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>One last note: Is it just me, or is this guy on the cutting edge of
>what's happening today in Rock? Come on - WASP?
Didn't they just release a new album? But cutting edge... Stryper?
>Bones
--
--Jeroen------------------------------------------------------
Tigg...@StPC.WI.LeidenUniv.NL JTig...@WI.LeidenUniv.NL
Jerry B. Ray
>"oh hitler in a robe of truth.." - live
Hey, Clive quoted a band I've heard of! Write this one down! :-)
Douglas C Pearson
>I admit, I didn't get all the way through this article (I stopped at the
>drivel about the backward picture on a Michael W. Smith record being a
>common satanic practice).
yeah, that one was pretty good...8-)
> What peaked my curiosity the most was this: what
>happened to all the apostrophes in this article? Was it written without
>apostrophes or did they disappear when you copied the article from the
>Web? Sorry, it was so unusual that I just had to ask.
if i remember straight from looking at the web site, all of the quotations were
italicized, and you can't copy italics to a news article readily...especially
if you read news from a mainframe, like i do...
Douglas C Pearson
<p937...@qub.ac.uk>:
>>"oh hitler in a robe of truth.." - live
>
>Hey, Clive quoted a band I've heard of! Write this one down! :-)
ROTFL. yup, it's a red-letter day...
btw, in response to all the people itching to send e-mail to the fine author of
the drivel that's the subject of this post, don't bother. i've already sent
him two e-mails, both of some length, both quite non-confrontational (you don't
need to be confrontational, just refute the lies), and they have met with zero
response. just ignore the turkey. if he wants to defend himself, he can.
otherwise, nuts to him.
Clive
: In article <3ud9aa$4...@auntie.bbcnc.org.uk> p937...@qub.ac.uk (Clive) writes:
: >"oh hitler in a robe of truth.." - live
: Hey, Clive quoted a band I've heard of! Write this one down! :-)
*laughter*
maybe the more obscure stuff, is just well.. umm... well... that's
probably why it's obscure.. ;-)
: JRjr
Clive
Clive
: Jerry B. Ray <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in response to that mad clive
: <p937...@qub.ac.uk>: ^^^^^^^^^
i'll have you know i am not mad, just eccentric.. ;-)
: >>"oh hitler in a robe of truth.." - live
: >
: >Hey, Clive quoted a band I've heard of! Write this one down! :-)
: ROTFL. yup, it's a red-letter day...
i don't what you people are moaning about, just wait to i quote some
_really_ obscure band... *grin*
: chuck
clive
Dreamweaver
>Jerry B. Ray (vap...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3ud9aa$4...@auntie.bbcnc.org.uk> p937...@qub.ac.uk (Clive) writes:
>
>: Hey, Clive quoted a band I've heard of! Write this one down! :-)
>
>
>maybe the more obscure stuff, is just well.. umm... well... that's
>probably why it's obscure.. ;-)
>
>: JRjr
>
>Clive
>
Funny - that quote was the only one that I didn't recognize. Obviously I
am Mr. Obscure :-D
John
"Do you love the lord thy God with all your dogma?"
Killing Joke
Kirby S. Sewell
Well, Christian music is backwards too! It doesn't make any sense to play
to a bunch of Christains and claim to be evangelizing tha masses.
Backwars, Therefore, SATANIC?
kIRBY
