Why CCM is of Satan
Skaught
CCM music cannot be of God, therefore it is of Satan. The beats and
rhythms of rock and pop music are inspired by demonic revelations coming
straight from hell, and have no place in the life of a Christian.
And Spam. Spam too is evil. Nasty stuff. I mean, you ever see the
jello looking stuff? It's like, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!?!
Skaught
William A. Cavagnaro Jr
Maybe the two are as one?
Hmm?
-d0oG
MICHAEL SMITH
Skaught (Ska...@cris.com) wrote:
: CCM music cannot be of God, therefore it is of Satan. The beats and
: rhythms of rock and pop music are inspired by demonic revelations coming
: straight from hell, and have no place in the life of a Christian.
:
: And Spam. Spam too is evil. Nasty stuff. I mean, you ever see the
: jello looking stuff? It's like, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!?!
:
: Skaught
Have you ever thought of being a commedian, you got the knack
and attitude for it. You are quite funny, but sometimes come to close
to the mark in certain sects attitudes, that makes it scary.
Peace Mike
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austen's loudmouth dad
In <32CD4F...@cris.com> Skaught <Ska...@cris.com> writes:
>
>CCM music cannot be of God, therefore it is of Satan. The beats and
>rhythms of rock and pop music are inspired by demonic revelations
coming
>straight from hell, and have no place in the life of a Christian.
>
>And Spam. Spam too is evil. Nasty stuff. I mean, you ever see the
>jello looking stuff? It's like, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!?!
>
hee. i was listening to mark & brian (a morning radio show in l.a.)
yesterday morning. they called up hormel with two questions:
q: "what does *spam* stand for."
secretary at hormel:
a: "nothing. it was suggested at a new years party for no reason."
q: "what is that jelly that surrounds it?"
a: it's just a gelatin that we add when it's canned, to aid in getting
it out of the can."
q: "you mean it's only there for lubrication?"
a: "yes. it's simply a lubricant."
a *lubricant*, folks.
spam. lubricated for extra pleasure.
peace,
NiCk
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Kevin J Matthews
> CCM music cannot be of God, therefore it is of Satan. The beats and
> rhythms of rock and pop music are inspired by demonic revelations coming
> straight from hell, and have no place in the life of a Christian.
If your'e talking about the heavy driving beats coming from african/voodoo
ceremonies, take a listen to praise music. Name a successful modern praise
band without a drummer. Most praise and worship contains heavy beats and
rythms. Most of it is inspired by rock. Should we throw out all our praise
music and refuse to attend church because their is a drummer there?
> And Spam. Spam too is evil. Nasty stuff. I mean, you ever see the
> jello looking stuff? It's like, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!?!
Spam is evil. EEEEEVVVVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLL.
Run away ,run away ,run away!
(inside joke)
> Skaught
Peter
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, Kevin J Matthews <k...@i2020.net> muttered:
>If your'e talking about the heavy driving beats coming from african/voodoo
>ceremonies, take a listen to praise music.
Hey...just a second...you're RIGHT! Those heavy driving beats coming from
African/VooDoo ceremonies are in the *praise* music!!! That means it must
not be from God. Excellent point, couldn't have said it better myself.
>Name a successful modern praise band without a drummer. Most praise and
>worship contains heavy beats and rythms. Most of it is inspired by rock.
Even more proof that this modern "praise" music and "praise & worship"
music is actually praise and worship for their lord Satan instead of the
true Lord, Jesus Christ.
>Should we throw out all our praise music and refuse to attend church
>because their is a drummer there?
Yes! Excellent suggestion.
God, it does my heart good to see other logical people on this heathen
form of communication, doing God's will, and not scared to stand up for
His kindgom and speak the Truth!
Reverend Phool - Dispenser of Truth and Official Voice o' God
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austen's loudmouth dad
In <01bbf9e7$8a3aede0$3d01e8cc@kjm-portable> "Kevin J Matthews"
<k...@i2020.net> writes:
>
>
>>CCM music cannot be of God, therefore it is of Satan. The beats and
>>rhythms of rock and pop music are inspired by demonic revelations
>>coming straight from hell, and have no place in the life of a
>>Christian.
>
>successful modern praise band without a drummer. Most praise and
>worship contains heavy beats and rythms. Most of it is inspired by
>church because their is a drummer there?
do you understand what *sarcasm* is?
of course you do.
Skaught
austen's loudmouth dad wrote:
> hee. i was listening to mark & brian (a morning radio show in l.a.)
> yesterday morning. they called up hormel with two questions:
>
> q: "what does *spam* stand for."
>
> secretary at hormel:
>
> a: "nothing. it was suggested at a new years party for no reason."
I read that it stood for Spiced Ham. Good thing they didn't use
chicken, or we'd has Spicken!
Skaught
Gary Harbaugh
> >ceremonies, take a listen to praise music.
>
> African/VooDoo ceremonies are in the *praise* music!!! That means it must
> not be from God. Excellent point, couldn't have said it better myself.
>
> >worship contains heavy beats and rythms. Most of it is inspired by rock.
>
> music is actually praise and worship for their lord Satan instead of the
> true Lord, Jesus Christ.
Just because a drum was used in voodo cerimonies does not make it evil.
That could be compared to saying that a knife used for self-mutilation
in satanic worship is evil, even though it can also be used for other
things such as cutting food, carving wood, and skining animals.
The beat of a drum is just a basic rhythm and the most basic
rhythm in the world is a heartbeat, somthing every mammal has and they
were created by God. So you could technically say that every second you
are alive you are praising and worshiping Satan.
I also believe it is a choice to praise, worship, and love God or
Satan. God created us with the freedom of choice and free will so I don't
think you can worship Satan while singing your praises to God with a beat
or not.
Cheef Dan
Skaught (Ska...@cris.com) wrote:
: I read that it stood for Spiced Ham. Good thing they didn't use
: chicken, or we'd has Spicken!
Actually, a combination of Spiced Chicken & Spiced Ham would be good...
Spicken Spam.
(It's a floor detergent -- no, it's a dessert meat.)
--
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Coalition`s political wish list about sheltering the homeless, feeding the
hungry, or clothing the naked, unless, of course, the naked got that way
for fun." - Tom Teepen, Cox News Service
nalee johnson
In <5am1p3$e...@vixc.voyager.net> Gary Harbaugh
AMEN!! gee i guess i am a satan worshiper cuz my church has a drum in
it and *gasp* we use it. while singing hymns too.
andy
listen to what you like, but also listen to the lyrics.
Skaught
Kevin J Matthews wrote:
>
> > CCM music cannot be of God, therefore it is of Satan. The beats and
> > rhythms of rock and pop music are inspired by demonic revelations coming
> > straight from hell, and have no place in the life of a Christian.
>
> band without a drummer. Most praise and worship contains heavy beats and
> music and refuse to attend church because their is a drummer there?
>
> > jello looking stuff? It's like, WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?!?!
>
> Spam is evil. EEEEEVVVVIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLL.
> Run away ,run away ,run away!
> (inside joke)
>
> > Skaught
> Peter
I was JOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Skaught
Skaught
You guys are taking me too seriously!
I had some girl email totally pissed off. Did she think I was serious
about SPAM being evil????
SHEESH!
Skaught
Luke Chambers
I hope you're not serious.
If so, we have to talk.
Luke
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, Gary Harbaugh <"ga...@voyager.net"@michbar.org> muttered:
>> Hey...just a second...you're RIGHT! Those heavy driving beats coming from
>> African/VooDoo ceremonies are in the *praise* music!!! That means it must
>> not be from God. Excellent point, couldn't have said it better myself.
>> Even more proof that this modern "praise" music and "praise & worship"
>> music is actually praise and worship for their lord Satan instead of the
>> true Lord, Jesus Christ.
>
>Just because a drum was used in voodo cerimonies does not make it evil.
Sure, throw caution to the wind. Embrace anything that comes along.
>That could be compared to saying that a knife used for self-mutilation
>in satanic worship is evil, even though it can also be used for other
>things such as cutting food, carving wood, and skining animals.
So you're saying that using a knife for self-mutilation in satanic
worship *isn't* EVIL?!? Uh...yeah. That just because the knife can
be used for good purposes that it isn't bad if used for evil? I hope
you don't seriously believe that. Plus, this analogy doesn't relate
to music anyway. Next.
> The beat of a drum is just a basic rhythm and the most basic
>rhythm in the world is a heartbeat, somthing every mammal has and they
>were created by God. So you could technically say that every second you
>are alive you are praising and worshiping Satan.
We are all fallen creatures, inherently sinful. You raise a good point
about the heartbeat - I've never thought about it that way. But it does
make some sense that the source of our flesh's life is itself geared
towards evil. Even though you were trying to attack me, this shows that
God can use even that to bring order from chaos and use the things of
this world to bring Truth and revelation to His true followers.
> I also believe it is a choice to praise, worship, and love God or
>Satan. God created us with the freedom of choice and free will so I don't
>think you can worship Satan while singing your praises to God with a beat
>or not.
So as long as you honestly believe you're doing good then everything is
okay, eh? As long as we *think* murdering for God is okay, then it's
okay? That's not the God of the Bible that I believe in. I'm not sure
what Bible you're reading. Furthermore, the road to hell is paved with
good intentions (so the saying goes). Can you pour pure water into a
dirty vessel and get out pure water? No. The water is tainted by the
vessel that contains it. So it is with praise (pure water) and the
vessel that it is contained in (music).
I will pray that God will knock the scales from your eyes that the prince
of the world has placed there, and that your eyes will be opened to the
Truth so that you may truly worship Him in the way that He desires.
MICHAEL SMITH
Skaught (Ska...@cris.com) wrote:
: You guys are taking me too seriously!
consider the so-called Ministries who condemn CCM. I thought your
joke was fairly funny, but I guess some didn't understand.
Peace Mike
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wednesday
Scholar and Fool <hatf...@alpha1.phoenix.net> wrote:
>So you're saying that using a knife for self-mutilation in satanic
>worship *isn't* EVIL?!?
Hey, man. Self-mutilation is fun, healthy and profitable!! Don't knock
self-mutilation till you've tried it!
Self-mutilation: it's easy and it's GRRRRREAT!
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wednesday
Scott McClare <samc...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>You know, you have a point here. Cutting food requires a knife; it
>must be of Satan. From now on I'll only eat food that has been
>chopped with a food processor. No one ever used a blender in voodoo
>ritual, so it must be a kitchen utensil that honours God.
I can't speak for what goes on in Voudoun ritual, but I'll tell ya --
there's a few occult traditions that WOULD use that food processor.
Scott McClare
In article <5am1p3$e...@vixc.voyager.net>,
>> Even more proof that this modern "praise" music and "praise & worship"
>> music is actually praise and worship for their lord Satan instead of the
>> true Lord, Jesus Christ.
>
>Just because a drum was used in voodo cerimonies does not make it evil.
>That could be compared to saying that a knife used for self-mutilation
>in satanic worship is evil, even though it can also be used for other
>things such as cutting food, carving wood, and skining animals.
You know, you have a point here. Cutting food requires a knife; it
must be of Satan. From now on I'll only eat food that has been
chopped with a food processor. No one ever used a blender in voodoo
ritual, so it must be a kitchen utensil that honours God.
Scott
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Melody Kewl
In article <5as93p$6...@huitzilo.tezcat.com>, wedn...@tezcat.com
(wednesday) wrote:
> Scott McClare <samc...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> >You know, you have a point here. Cutting food requires a knife; it
> >must be of Satan. From now on I'll only eat food that has been
> >chopped with a food processor. No one ever used a blender in voodoo
> >ritual, so it must be a kitchen utensil that honours God.
>
> I can't speak for what goes on in Voudoun ritual, but I'll tell ya --
> there's a few occult traditions that WOULD use that food processor.
Wow. Now I can't get the image of a Shakespearean scene involving
Cuisinarts and microwaves being done in the food court of a mall...
MK
*>HailStone<*
> > >If your'e talking about the heavy driving beats coming from african/voodoo
> > >ceremonies, take a listen to praise music.
> >
> > African/VooDoo ceremonies are in the *praise* music!!! That means it must
> > not be from God. Excellent point, couldn't have said it better myself.
> >
> > >worship contains heavy beats and rythms. Most of it is inspired by rock.
> >
> > music is actually praise and worship for their lord Satan instead of the
> > true Lord, Jesus Christ.
I think we all know what that means - Satan uses the internet and so
therefore it is from Satan hence we should remove all our internet
software, and burn our modems! Is the person who said drums are satanic
going to set the example?
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wednesday
In article <melody_kewl-ya02318...@news.earthlink.net>,
Melody Kewl <melod...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>(wednesday) wrote:
>> I can't speak for what goes on in Voudoun ritual, but I'll tell ya --
>> there's a few occult traditions that WOULD use that food processor.
>
>Wow. Now I can't get the image of a Shakespearean scene involving
>Cuisinarts and microwaves being done in the food court of a mall...
Ah, for the good old days... :)
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if i should try, would you catch me when i fall?
Bob Weigel
In article <E3Lys...@freenet.durham.org>,
It really is tricky here....best rule of thumb...assume everything is
a joke until proven otherwise. On the flip side, I'm not totally
convinced that, even after his evasive reply, Skaught was really
joking about any of it. I think he put the spam in there as an
easy tangent to diverge into should any question arise as to the
soundness of his teaching about ccm. :-) (Yes, the smiley face may
reduce my value as a comedian, but it keeps me from getting as much
errant mail anyway. ) -Bob
Kevin J Matthews
> I can't speak for what goes on in Voudoun ritual, but I'll tell ya --
> there's a few occult traditions that WOULD use that food processor.
And Spam.
(What have I created here?)
:)
Kevin J Matthews
Ever get the feeling that youv'e had too much caffeine?
Kevin J Matthews
> > q: "what does *spam* stand for."
> >
> > secretary at hormel:
> >
> > a: "nothing. it was suggested at a new years party for no reason."
>
> I read that it stood for Spiced Ham. Good thing they didn't use
> chicken, or we'd has Spicken!
>
> Skaught
Hmmmm.....
I thought
Specially
Processed
Artificial
Meat
Did the job nicely.....
oh well.
Peter
Bryce Utting
Melody Kewl (melod...@earthlink.net) wrote:
>> >You know, you have a point here. Cutting food requires a knife; it
>> >must be of Satan. From now on I'll only eat food that has been
>> >chopped with a food processor. No one ever used a blender in voodoo
>> >ritual, so it must be a kitchen utensil that honours God.
>>
>> there's a few occult traditions that WOULD use that food processor.
>
>Cuisinarts and microwaves being done in the food court of a mall...
Mmmmm. My long-cherished dream of Quentin Tarantino making a film of
Titus Andronicus suddenly makes sense.
It Should Be.
butting (occasionally has strange thoughts like this, ok?)
--
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no turning back
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, nalee johnson <bran...@ix.netcom.com> muttered:
>AMEN!! gee i guess i am a satan worshiper cuz my church has a drum in
>it and *gasp* we use it. while singing hymns too.
Sarcasm is a tool of satan, my friend. The fact that you use it to attack
me and belittle me only helps prove my case. That you can not rationally
defend your position, but have to resort to venomous snide remarks merely
backs my side even more. I will pray for your hardened heart to be
softened, and your firmly shut eyes to be opened to the Truth.
>listen to what you like, but also listen to the lyrics.
Basically, "do whatever you like, but pay attention a little bit so that
you can soothe your concious." Yeah, that's Biblical.
Not backing down from speaking God's Truth -
Mordecai Ali Van Allen O'Shea
In article <01bbfcfe$c2cf9f60$5801e8cc@kjm>, "Kevin J Matthews"
<k...@i2020.net> wrote:
> > > q: "what does *spam* stand for."
> > >
> > > secretary at hormel:
> > >
> > > a: "nothing. it was suggested at a new years party for no reason."
[snip]
> Hmmmm.....
> I thought
>
> Specially
> Processed
> Artificial
> Meat
How about:
Satan's
Power
As
Meat
?
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Scott McClare
In article <5as93p$6...@huitzilo.tezcat.com>,
wednesday <wedn...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>Scott McClare <samc...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>You know, you have a point here. Cutting food requires a knife; it
>>must be of Satan. From now on I'll only eat food that has been
>>chopped with a food processor. No one ever used a blender in voodoo
>>ritual, so it must be a kitchen utensil that honours God.
>I can't speak for what goes on in Voudoun ritual, but I'll tell ya --
>there's a few occult traditions that WOULD use that food processor.
. . . I'm not touching this one. Put down that ten-foot pole.
austen's loudmouth dad
>In article <01bbfcfe$c2cf9f60$5801e8cc@kjm>, "Kevin J Matthews"
><k...@i2020.net> wrote:
>
> > q: "what does *spam* stand for."
> >
> > secretary at hormel:
> >
> > a: "nothing. it was suggested at a new years party for no reason."
>
>[snip]
>
> Hmmmm.....
> I thought
>
> Specially
> Processed
> Artificial
> Meat
>
nope. they continued to question her about it, but she was reading it
from some sort of procedure book. it's apparently in print.
peace,
NiCk
soulbelly.
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MICHAEL SMITH
Scholar and Fool (hatf...@alpha1.phoenix.net) wrote:
: While still dazed, nalee johnson <bran...@ix.netcom.com> muttered:
: >AMEN!! gee i guess i am a satan worshiper cuz my church has a drum in
: >it and *gasp* we use it. while singing hymns too.
:
: Sarcasm is a tool of satan, my friend. The fact that you use it to attack
: me and belittle me only helps prove my case. That you can not rationally
: defend your position, but have to resort to venomous snide remarks merely
: backs my side even more. I will pray for your hardened heart to be
: softened, and your firmly shut eyes to be opened to the Truth.
Stupidity and pride are probably the real tools of Satan and
oh yeah, lets not forget greed. Sometimes sarcasm is good at making
points that might not normally be said. And where in the Bible
does it say, "Though shall not listen to music with a beat."
Actually, much of the music from the middle east, where the
tribes of Israel come from, listened to very rhythmic music.
David danced naked to it. I bet an evangilist would yell
SA-A-A-A-A-ATAN if he saw that. See, sarcasm can be a tool
of God.
:
: >listen to what you like, but also listen to the lyrics.
:
: Basically, "do whatever you like, but pay attention a little bit so that
: you can soothe your concious." Yeah, that's Biblical.
So is judging out of ignorance, but hey no ones perfect,
especially not me. I hope your being sarcastic. It isn't nice
to draw conclusions.
:
: Not backing down from speaking God's Truth -
:
: Reverend Phool - Dispenser of Truth and Official Voice o' God
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You shoudln't back down from truth, but you'd better check your
theology!!!!
Peace Mike
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Kirk H Lewis
In article <5aro7r$4tk$1...@gryphon.phoenix.net>,
hatf...@alpha1.phoenix.net (Scholar and Fool) wrote:
>Do you have fun putting limitations on God? It's true that there is some very evil music out there, but there is also some
genuine Godly songs. God created music (and drums, which we are told in Psalms 150 to praise God with). I think that He can
(and has) renew His own creation. Remember that verse, "with God nothing is impossible"? So by saying that CCM is evil, you
are basically saying that it it evil to worship God. THE BIBLE TELLS US TO PRAISE GOD WITH THE DRUMS!!!!!!
Andrea
Scott McClare
In article <5b6spt$a...@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>,
Kirk H Lewis <le...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>Do you have fun putting limitations on God? It's true that there is
>some very evil music out there, but there is also some genuine Godly
>songs. God created music (and drums, which we are told in Psalms 150
>to praise God with).
Actually, it was *Jubal* who invented the drums and the other musical
instruments.
And Jubal was a son of Cain. 'Nuff said.
MICHAEL SMITH
Scott McClare (samc...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
: In article <5b6spt$a...@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>,
: Kirk H Lewis <le...@netcom.ca> wrote:
:
: >Do you have fun putting limitations on God? It's true that there is
: >some very evil music out there, but there is also some genuine Godly
: >songs. God created music (and drums, which we are told in Psalms 150
: >to praise God with).
:
: Actually, it was *Jubal* who invented the drums and the other musical
: instruments.
:
: And Jubal was a son of Cain. 'Nuff said.
:
: Scott
Lets take this to the logical extreme, clapping hands and
tamboreens in church is a form a devil worship. After all, all rhythms
are inheirently evil and therefore unacceptable in a true church of God.
Listen to classical music? Forget it, they use drums sometimes. Wait
a second!!!!!!!! Many of todays hymns used song structures similar
to what was considered Satanic music hundreds of years ago!!! WOW!!!!
We should burn those wicked hymn books right now!!!!! Remeber, God,
according to these puritans, frowns on your being happy and wishes
to deprive you of all forms of pleasure whether they are good, harmless
or bad. So whip yourself today, you unworthy scum, and get closer
to spiritual purity >;)!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace Mike
Please note the above is sarcasm and I have no desire to be Email
bombed for people who just don't get it.
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Melody Kewl
Hello Dearies. :)
ae...@freenet.durham.org (MICHAEL SMITH) writes:
[snip sarcastic rhythm rant]
> Please note the above is sarcasm and I have no desire to be Email
> bombed for people who just don't get it.
It sounds like you could use the services of Capital Bracketed
Commentary. We specialize in notation of documents for
sarcasm, humour, and other categories you my specify.
If you feel you need these services just e-mail me. However, don't
expect that my services are inexpensive. [THE TRUTH]
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Scott McClare
In article <E3wnA...@freenet.durham.org>,
MICHAEL SMITH <ae...@freenet.durham.org> wrote:
>: Actually, it was *Jubal* who invented the drums and the other musical
>: instruments.
>: And Jubal was a son of Cain. 'Nuff said.
> Lets take this to the logical extreme, clapping hands and
>tamboreens in church is a form a devil worship. After all, all rhythms
>are inheirently evil and therefore unacceptable in a true church of God.
This is true. Rhythms, especially regular, upbeat ones, are similar
to sexual rhythms. Therefore, playing drums or clapping in church is
akin to "pornography for Jesus."
>Listen to classical music? Forget it, they use drums sometimes. Wait
>a second!!!!!!!! Many of todays hymns used song structures similar
>to what was considered Satanic music hundreds of years ago!!! WOW!!!!
>We should burn those wicked hymn books right now!!!!!
God honours people who write godly music. Those people whose hymns
made it into the hymnbook wrote godly music, and happened to come from
an era in which lots of godly music was being written. This is not
the case today, where barely-dressed pretty boys sing about sex,
death, and lizards to sensuous drumbeats and screeching electric
guitars that sound like nothing ever heard on God's good creation.
> Remeber, God,
>according to these puritans, frowns on your being happy and wishes
>to deprive you of all forms of pleasure whether they are good, harmless
>or bad.
Can pleasures born in the pit of hell be truly pleasurable? Remember,
it's good to sin for a season, but the season ends sooner or later.
Chris Myers
{begin sarcasm} Also, organs should NEVER be used in church. When they
were first invented, they were used solely by the pagans, since the
church was busy holding services in tombs and catacombs at the time. In
fact, one of Emperor Nero's favorite toys was a pipe organ. {end
sarcasm} The church considered organs devil instruments until a few
centuries later.
DRMcNamee
It's interesting how much arrogant ignorance abounds regarding
drums/percussion
being used in church music.I've heard all the "drums are evil,voodoo
beats,etc."
propogated by people who've NEVER played the drums. As a
percussionist,I'd
like to set a few things straight : 1.) The drumming heard on CCM/Praise
music is
not "voodoo". It comes out of the standard rudiments ( 5-stroke
roll,7-stroke roll,
paradiddles,etc.) that any drummer learns as he/she begins playing.
These rudiments were beats played by armies in Europe as
means of messaging,
setting march tempos,etc., the drummers often belonged to guilds,learning
"by ear" as drum notation would not be written down (as we know it) until
the early
1700's.The use of drums by the military originated in the Middle East and
was
brought back to Europe by the Crusaders as they returned and it further
developed through the Middle ages and beyond.Johann Sebastian Bach used
timpani in some of his compositions,such as his "Christmas Oratorio".In
the
cathedral at Leipzig,there are stone carvings showing
organ,strings,brass,and
timpani being used to worship the Lord.Up until the
1920's-1940's,drumming was the province of the military. So,much for
"voodoo" drumming...
2.) As for voodoo drumming... Yes,there are rhythms specifically played
to "call
up" or to worship their dieties.This is also present in African
religions, in Santeria,
and in many so called "earth religions"(Wicca,Druidism,God and
Goddess,etc.)
As I learned Afro-Cuban and Afro-Latin rhythms ( there is a difference!
),I was
careful to ask the origin and purpose of the rhythm. If I found out that
the rhythm
was meant to worship those dieties,I'd politely refuse to learn them and
use my
explaination to witness about the Lord.My teachers respected my belief
and they
taught me the "secular" rhythms.
Also, I've heard these "religious" rhythms and the drumming on CCM/
Praise music is nothing like them at all !
I have spent time in Africa on missions,I have heard some wonderful
hymns
sung, using voice and drums.The lyrics are as powerful as the great
hymns,
focused on worshipping God. Who are we to castigate these believers
because
we find drums "offensive" ?
If you don't like CCM or Praise music,that's OK.I'm not a unicritical
supporter of
it myself.I have problems with the "theraputic" focus of the
lyrics.But,that's the
outcome of the spirit rampant in evangelical Christianity today.
I hope that this has shed some light. If you're interested in reading
about percussion,there's a great book out on the subject. It's entitled :
" Percussion
Instruments:Their History" by James Blades,published by Bold Strummer
Press.
Wednesday
In article <19970114065...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
DRMcNamee <drmc...@aol.com> wrote:
>2.) As for voodoo drumming... Yes,there are rhythms specifically played
>in Santeria, and in many so called "earth religions"(Wicca,Druidism,God
>and Goddess,etc.)
[Uh, first of all, if we're going to mention Voudoun, can we call it
Voudoun and be done with it? Thanks.]
Um..."so-called" earth religions? You imply that the earth religions aren't.
Wicca has no set specific summoning rhythms. By and large, when drums are
used in Wiccan rituals at all, they're more often used for building/focussing
ritual energies (as opposed to any specific divine/spiritual entities). The
rhythms used are seldom formally associated with anything other than "oh,
hey, this is something simple I could do on a doumbec, and it works," unless
you happen to have the rare instance of an actual *drummer* in the circle
(as opposed to some witch with a drum, which is unfortunately all too common)
in which case rhythms are either custom-composed or improvised. Sometimes
stuff gets ripped off from other religions' invocation rituals (a lot of
First Nations and Australian aboriginal stuff gets stolen, for example), but
at that point we're not talking about anything particularly Wiccan (other
than the tendency of Wicca to borrow from everyone else, which is nothing
new for any religion these days).
I should also point out that there is no religion called "God and Goddess."
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Skaught
>
> >Do you have fun putting limitations on God? It's true that there is some very evil music out there, but there is also some
> (and has) renew His own creation. Remember that verse, "with God nothing is impossible"? So by saying that CCM is evil, you
> are basically saying that it it evil to worship God. THE BIBLE TELLS US TO PRAISE GOD WITH THE DRUMS!!!!!!
>
> Andrea
Hey, I said CCM is Evil...and I was joking.. Calm down.
Skaught
Skaught
Scott McClare wrote:
> This is true. Rhythms, especially regular, upbeat ones, are similar
> to sexual rhythms. Therefore, playing drums or clapping in church is
> akin to "pornography for Jesus."
Well, God created my body, which includes my heart. My heart beats with a regular
thump-thump, thump-thump. So God created my heart beat. Using your logic, we must come
to the conclusion that God invented some sinful thing.
God created sex. And sex between and married man and women is a God-approved of thing,
right? So is it okay for me to clap with my wife? Can I play drums with my wife in the
privacy of our own home?
I have a clock, which ticks, regularly. Is the rhythm of my clock sexual? I've never
been sexually titilated by my timepiece.
And it appears that your are unaware that many of our "sacred" hymns were once drinking
songs, that priests turned into hymns so that people would know how to sing them. And
are you aware that the pipe organ was considered "devil pipes" from hell. But now they
are "sacred" church instruments.
You do not use logic in your arguments, nor any Biblical backup. Please stop being
silly and let others praise God "with the clashing of cymbals". Thank you.
Skaught
(In case this is just a joke -- which it certainly could be -- like my ORIGINAL "Why CCM
is of Satan" that I started, I'm sorry!)
Mordecai Ali Van Allen O'Shea
In article <5beeci$7...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
samc...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Scott McClare) wrote:
> > Lets take this to the logical extreme, clapping hands and
> >tamboreens in church is a form a devil worship. After all, all rhythms
> >are inheirently evil and therefore unacceptable in a true church of God.
>
> This is true. Rhythms, especially regular, upbeat ones, are similar
> to sexual rhythms. Therefore, playing drums or clapping in church is
> akin to "pornography for Jesus."
Absolutely. In fact, when Christians walk, they should try to limp so
that they don't make any type of rhythm with the sound of their feet.
Maybe this explains why pianists at my church can never keep time... =]
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MICHAEL SMITH
Scott McClare (samc...@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
: In article <E3wnA...@freenet.durham.org>,
: MICHAEL SMITH <ae...@freenet.durham.org> wrote:
:
: >: Actually, it was *Jubal* who invented the drums and the other musical
: >: instruments.
: >: And Jubal was a son of Cain. 'Nuff said.
: > Lets take this to the logical extreme, clapping hands and
: >tamboreens in church is a form a devil worship. After all, all rhythms
: >are inheirently evil and therefore unacceptable in a true church of God.
:
: This is true. Rhythms, especially regular, upbeat ones, are similar
: to sexual rhythms. Therefore, playing drums or clapping in church is
: akin to "pornography for Jesus."
So when King David was dancing naked, at the return of the Ark,
this was evil? Whom.........even God's so-called favourites performed
this evil ritual. Maybe..........its not intrinsically evil. What a
shock that'd be.
:
: >Listen to classical music? Forget it, they use drums sometimes. Wait
: >a second!!!!!!!! Many of todays hymns used song structures similar
: >to what was considered Satanic music hundreds of years ago!!! WOW!!!!
: >We should burn those wicked hymn books right now!!!!!
:
: God honours people who write godly music. Those people whose hymns
: made it into the hymnbook wrote godly music, and happened to come from
: an era in which lots of godly music was being written. This is not
: the case today, where barely-dressed pretty boys sing about sex,
: death, and lizards to sensuous drumbeats and screeching electric
: guitars that sound like nothing ever heard on God's good creation.
:
Unlike music written by little fairies in powdered wigs who
commonly beat the peasants for sport and pleasure. These people
who used and abused Christ for their own political ends. Yeah,
whatever. Remember, no instrument is natural. Should we give
up reading and writing, after all, they are not natural. You
should get off the internet, there are some people who argue
it is Satanic. People always sing about sex and death, even
so called classics. I think we should burn all our possessions
and go live in a cave, lest we offend God.
: > Remeber, God,
: >according to these puritans, frowns on your being happy and wishes
: >to deprive you of all forms of pleasure whether they are good, harmless
: >or bad.
:
: Can pleasures born in the pit of hell be truly pleasurable? Remember,
: it's good to sin for a season, but the season ends sooner or later.
:
: Scott
:
Rhythmic music is not born of evil, although some of the lyrics
could be argued for, besides, I'm the guy who argues against Hell, so
you know how much water that one holds with me.
Peace Mike
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Scott McClare
> These rudiments were beats played by armies in Europe as means of
>messaging, setting march tempos,etc., the drummers often belonged to
>guilds,learning "by ear" as drum notation would not be written down
>(as we know it) until the early 1700's.
Guilds? You mean like the Masons? This gets better and better.
You know there just *can't* be anything right about a musical
instrument whose players form secret societies and pass down their
hidden techniques orally. "Paradiddle" is nothing but a secret code
word, the exact meaning of which is known only to these conspirators.
Scott McClare
In article <jct1-ya02318000...@nntp.msstate.edu>,
Mordecai Ali Van Allen O'Shea <jc...@ra.msstate.REMOVE-TO-REPLY.edu> wrote:
>> This is true. Rhythms, especially regular, upbeat ones, are similar
>> to sexual rhythms. Therefore, playing drums or clapping in church is
>> akin to "pornography for Jesus."
> Absolutely. In fact, when Christians walk, they should try to limp so
>that they don't make any type of rhythm with the sound of their feet.
>
> Maybe this explains why pianists at my church can never keep time... =]
Heh. That's not the problem at my church; all the pianists can keep
time. Unfortunately, they only know one tempo. You haven't lived
until you've heard "And Can It Be" and [that Twila Paris song that's
so popular but I can't remember the name of right now] sung at the
same speed.
And, considering I live with one of the pianists' parents, I'll just
shut my big mouth now. 8-)
Tim Evans
This thread is total crap and a waste of bandwidth.
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Mordecai Ali Van Allen O'Shea
> This thread is total crap and a waste of bandwidth.
...and you contributed to this thread to tell us this...?
Actually, this is one of the more interesting threads here now. And it's
even on-topic. 8-o
Skaught
Tim Evans wrote:
>
> This thread is total crap and a waste of bandwidth.
>
It was my joke and others have enjoyed it...but I guess we should do what you
say, eh?
Skaught
Scott McClare
>This thread is total crap and a waste of bandwidth.
Do you have any unconfessed sin in your life, brother, that would
allow Satan to blind you to God's truth?
>* Zzzzz/Phydeaux * Dr. Tim Evans ^^*
Phydeaux, eh? Larry Norman. Back in November I went to see Satan's
own minion perform. "Why should the devil have all the good music?"
indeed. After the concert I took him aside and gave him a good
talking-to about long hair and black clothing (which, being black,
cannot reflect the light of Christ in one's life). I do not lie; I
got his autograph and a picture of me with him to prove this
chastisement took place.
Chuck Pearson
yeah! cucumbers don't get enough respect!
why, he can sing about water buffa...
oh. larry NORMAN.
sorry.
chuck, who has been listening to the water buffalo song way too much.
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Frank Emanuel
> >* Zzzzz/Phydeaux * Dr. Tim Evans ^^*
>
> Phydeaux, eh? Larry Norman. Back in November I went to see Satan's
> own minion perform. "Why should the devil have all the good music?"
> indeed. After the concert I took him aside and gave him a good
> talking-to about long hair and black clothing (which, being black,
> cannot reflect the light of Christ in one's life). I do not lie; I
> got his autograph and a picture of me with him to prove this
> chastisement took place.
What the heck kinda weiner are you? Did you even listen to what Larry spoke
about? I saw him at the TACF (yup the one and only Toronto Airport church)
just a little while back and again in my home Ottawa. Both times I was so
impressed with the depth of His love and comittment to Jesus. He spurred me
on in my own faith - which is more than you could have done to him by
ragging him out. You should be careful whos servants you are calling
Satan's, you could end up with a millstone round your neck - RYBM.
Frank Emanuel
Joe Kimbler
On 21 Jan 1997 01:56:56 GMT, "Frank Emanuel" <ema...@travel-net.com>
wrote:
>
>
>> >* Zzzzz/Phydeaux * Dr. Tim Evans ^^*
>>
>> Phydeaux, eh? Larry Norman. Back in November I went to see Satan's
>> own minion perform. "Why should the devil have all the good music?"
>> indeed. After the concert I took him aside and gave him a good
>> talking-to about long hair and black clothing (which, being black,
>> cannot reflect the light of Christ in one's life)....
>What the heck kinda weiner are you? Did you even listen to what Larry spoke
>about? I saw him at the TACF (yup the one and only Toronto Airport church)
>just a little while back and again in my home Ottawa. Both times I was so
>impressed with the depth of His love and comittment to Jesus. He spurred me
>on in my own faith - which is more than you could have done to him by
>ragging him out. You should be careful whos servants you are calling
>Satan's, you could end up with a millstone round your neck - RYBM.
>
Right on! "Long hair and black clothing" is now the sign of someone
who belongs to Satan? Not what my Bible says. "You will know that
they are Christians BY THEIR LOVE!" As for the title "Why Should the
Devil Have All the Good Music" -- it's the truth. For too long
Christians have retreated from areas and Satan is more than happy to
take that from us. Satan get nothing on this earth that the children
of God do not give him. Music, ALL MUSIC, is given by God for HIS
glory. We pervert it...make it evil...use it to serve ourselves and
Satan. I'm just glad that this guy isn't on the thrown. No love in
that message. "Satan's own minion" really. As if God is so limited
that black clothing and long hair will cause Him not to move in
someones life.
Food for thought...
God Bless:
Joe Kimbler
Bill Hammell
Frank Emanuel wrote:
>
> > >* Zzzzz/Phydeaux * Dr. Tim Evans ^^*
> >
> > Phydeaux, eh? Larry Norman. Back in November I went to see Satan's
> > own minion perform. "Why should the devil have all the good music?"
> > indeed. After the concert I took him aside and gave him a good
> > talking-to about long hair and black clothing (which, being black,
> > got his autograph and a picture of me with him to prove this
> > chastisement took place.
>
> about? I saw him at the TACF (yup the one and only Toronto Airport church)
> just a little while back and again in my home Ottawa. Both times I was so
> impressed with the depth of His love and comittment to Jesus. He spurred me
> on in my own faith - which is more than you could have done to him by
> ragging him out. You should be careful whos servants you are calling
> Satan's, you could end up with a millstone round your neck - RYBM.
>
I think Scott was being sarcastic. Although sarcasm isn't as easily
noticable in text as it is in voice.
Bill (a very big Larry Norman fan)
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uh frank...do you know what sarcasm is...
Scott McClare
In article <01bc073e$7c0fac60$f439...@204.92.71.2.travel-net.com>,
Frank Emanuel <ema...@travel-net.com> wrote:
>> Phydeaux, eh? Larry Norman. Back in November I went to see Satan's
>> own minion perform. "Why should the devil have all the good music?"
>> indeed. After the concert I took him aside and gave him a good
>> talking-to about long hair and black clothing (which, being black,
>> cannot reflect the light of Christ in one's life). I do not lie; I
>> got his autograph and a picture of me with him to prove this
>> chastisement took place.
>What the heck kinda weiner are you?
Apparently a weiner with a sense of humour that most people don't get
. . . it seems that no matter how over-the top I make something,
someone will take it seriously.
"Black clothing cannot reflect the light of Christ in one's life."
Now, come on . . .
> Did you even listen to what Larry spoke
>about?
Indeed I did.
Wednesday
In article <E4DDs...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Scott McClare <samc...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>"Black clothing cannot reflect the light of Christ in one's life."
Hey! I keep hearing that!
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James Romines
What The ????????????? Haven't you listened to Larry Norman's
song called the "Outlaw"? Every time I listen to that song I
could swear Christ was right there in the room! Also, many holy
men and women of God (i.e. priests and nuns) have worn black as
a symbol of Christian simplicity! As for hair, it is a completely
cultural thing, and Jesus doesn't give a crap about my hair
length. I wear it in a pony tail now, and He hasn't abandoned me
yet!!!
A sanctified Hippy* by the Grace of God,
Jim R.
* A Hippy without the sinful stuff, that is!!!
> Phydeaux, eh? Larry Norman. Back in November I went to see Satan's own minion perform. "Why should the devil have all the good
music?"
>> indeed. After the concert I took him aside and gave him a good
> >> talking-to about long hair and black clothing (which, being black,
> >> cannot reflect the light of Christ in one's life)....
>
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, Scott McClare <samc...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> muttered:
>>What the heck kinda weiner are you?
>
>Apparently a weiner with a sense of humour that most people don't get
>. . . it seems that no matter how over-the top I make something,
>someone will take it seriously.
I think it comes down to the fact that there are a couple of different
ways that people handle stuff that doesn't make sense to them. Some
people actively look for cues of sarcasm, irony, parody, etc. Some
people aren't sure, but assume it's serious just in case. Some people
think everything is serious and there is no such thing as sarcasm.
btw, you don't have to say "it seems that" above. It's true. No matter
how over the top you make things, someone will take it seriously. Whether
they were just having an off day or they never catch stuff like that.
I have about 10 years of personal online experience using sarcasm as proof.
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Tulsa Band
Wednesday wrote:
>
> In article <E4DDs...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
> Scott McClare <samc...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> > in one's life."
>
> Hey! I keep hearing that!
What if it's like, really _shiny_ black clothing. You know,
a vinyl-type material of some sort, or something silky?
Also, is Christ's light the florescent sort, or more of
an incandescent? Maybe Larry and Bev are just protecting
their skin.
It's hard when the sarcasm and the legit posts sound so
similar... I think that's one of the signs of the
Apocalypse.
--Dallas Koehn; tul...@ionet.net
"It's funny that pirates were always going around searching
for treasure, and they never realized that the real treasures
were the fond memories they were creating."
--Jack Handey (Deep Thoughts)
Scott McClare
In article <32E654...@ionet.net>, Tulsa Band <Tul...@ionet.net> wrote:
I said:
>> > "Black clothing cannot reflect the light of Christ
>> > in one's life."
>What if it's like, really _shiny_ black clothing. You know,
>a vinyl-type material of some sort, or something silky?
Well, at this point we're getting out of the realm of personal
preference in clothing colour, and coming close to crossing the line
to "kinky." 8-)
>Also, is Christ's light the florescent sort, or more of
>an incandescent? Maybe Larry and Bev are just protecting
>their skin.
>It's hard when the sarcasm and the legit posts sound so
>similar... I think that's one of the signs of the
>Apocalypse.
Hmmm . . . in addition to Death, War, Famine and Pestilence, the
unofficial Fifth Horse of the Apocalypse entry is "Satire."
I like it!
Lambchild1
Amen!
Hey...He took me...& you JUST AS WE ARE!
Live clean...Praise God...& know that He is Lord!
That's it bro!
Peace,
Eddie Lambchild.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/9521/index.html
Chuck Pearson
i STILL want somebody to tell me who's been bothering larry the cucumber.
i'll take it to 'em, yes i will.
chuck, ready to organize the Defense of Larry League.