Christian Women Guitarists
hhe...@ucsd.edu
I just watched the History of Rock and Roll on television. There was a
segment of the gods of rock guitar. As usual every single person mentioned
was a man and it was made very clear that the guitar is exclusively a male
instrument. I've noticed this bias for some time and I think it's bull. I
can think of quite a few women who are excellent guitarists.
Rather than wait for us to play catch up with the rest of the world, I
thought it might be beneficial to celebrate Christian women who play
guitar. Unfortunately, I don't follow Christian music all that closely, so
I'm asking you to name your favorite Christian women guitarists (acoustic
or electric). They don't have to be famous. It could be someone in a local
band. If any women guitarists are reading this, name yourselves. I'll
start with my wife, Holly Bell (San Diego), who is one fine guitarist.
Shaun Hervey
Andrew D. Taylor
In article <hhervey-2403...@hhervey.extern.ucsd.edu>,
Well Margaret Becker sometimes plays the guitar in concert.
There was Rachel Rachel, that all-female rock band. Jennifer York was
their first bassist. Robin Spurs, formerly of the Choir, replaced her.
Heli Sterner was their lead guitarist.
And doesn't Amy Grant play the guitar (acoustic not electric with steel
strings pumped through the distortion pedal)?
Just about every other woman I can think of in Christian music sings.
Just look at 65dBA, Dacoda Motor Co, Iona, Hoi Polloi, Rez, Fleming &
John and Townehouse.
Later,
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Matthew R. Hartman
you're forgetting about Sixpence none the Richer. they have a women
rythm guitar player and they are really good, i saw them in concert in
milwaukee and they were really awesome. hoi polloi's singer played
guitar during the concert too...
later.
matthew
Cathy Nieng
>Rather than wait for us to play catch up with the rest of the world, I
>thought it might be beneficial to celebrate Christian women who play
>guitar.
Amen. There are quite a few out there. My favorites are Jan Krist,
Karin Bergquist of Over the Rhine, Caryn Colbert of Plague of Ethyls,
and Tess of Sixpence None the Richer. Also, my little sis plays
acoustic guitar--she's self-taught and is quite good. :)
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Rob Szarka
Andrew D. Taylor <af...@freenet2.carleton.ca> wrote:
>>
>>I just watched the History of Rock and Roll on television. There was a
>>segment of the gods of rock guitar. As usual every single person mentioned
>>was a man and it was made very clear that the guitar is exclusively a male
>>instrument. I've noticed this bias for some time and I think it's bull. I
>>can think of quite a few women who are excellent guitarists.
>>
>>Rather than wait for us to play catch up with the rest of the world, I
>>thought it might be beneficial to celebrate Christian women who play
>>guitar. Unfortunately, I don't follow Christian music all that closely, so
>>I'm asking you to name your favorite Christian women guitarists (acoustic
>>or electric). They don't have to be famous. It could be someone in a local
>>band. If any women guitarists are reading this, name yourselves. I'll
>>start with my wife, Holly Bell (San Diego), who is one fine guitarist.
Well, Leslie/Sam Phillips is a competent strummer, but truly great
guitarist? No. I can't think of any *Christian* female artists who
are great guitarists, though surely there must be *some*...
There are plenty of great *secular* female artists who play a mean
guitar: Bonnie Raitt is the first to leap to mind in that category!
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Jerry B. Ray
>Just about every other woman I can think of in Christian music sings.
>Just look at 65dBA, Dacoda Motor Co, Iona, Hoi Polloi, Rez, Fleming &
>John and Townehouse.
As somebody already mentioned, Jenny from Hoi Polloi plays guitar
sometimes. I also saw a band named "Sunday Blue" or something like
that (they opened for the Choir here in Atlanta) that had a female
lead guitarist.
Who's Townehouse, btw? I met some guys in Alabama that were in a
band of that name (met 'em at a Whiteheart concert), but I don't
know if it's the same band...
JRjr
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Andrew D. Taylor
In article <3l4dis$2...@acmey.gatech.edu>,
Jerry B. Ray <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>In article <D60Mu...@freenet.carleton.ca> af...@freenet2.carleton.ca (Andrew D. Taylor) writes:
>
>>Just about every other woman I can think of in Christian music sings.
>>Just look at 65dBA, Dacoda Motor Co, Iona, Hoi Polloi, Rez, Fleming &
>>John and Townehouse.
>
>band of that name (met 'em at a Whiteheart concert), but I don't
>know if it's the same band...
If it's just some "guys" then they are not the same band. Townehouse is
an indie band who played the Fringe Stage at Creation the Monday evening
for those setting up before the gates opened. When Hokus Pick couldn't
make it Townehouse filled in. They are Jerry Carter (Keyboards/Vocals),
Kristi Carter (Vocals), Chad Chambers (Guitars), Deryck Hodge
(Bass/Vocals), Wendy White Hodge (Lead Vocals) and Tony Johnson
(Drums/Percussion). They have an album called "The Porch Sessions"
available through Spring Arbour.
Another to add to the list of those who play guitar, Amy Wolter, former
lead vocalist of Fighter.
Steve Drees
: In article <hhervey-2403...@hhervey.extern.ucsd.edu>,
: <hhe...@ucsd.edu> wrote:
: >Hi everyone,
: >
: >
: >Rather than wait for us to play catch up with the rest of the world, I
: >thought it might be beneficial to celebrate Christian women who play
: >guitar. Unfortunately, I don't follow Christian music all that closely, so
: >I'm asking you to name your favorite Christian women guitarists (acoustic
: >or electric). They don't have to be famous. It could be someone in a local
: >band. If any women guitarists are reading this, name yourselves. I'll
: >start with my wife, Holly Bell (San Diego), who is one fine guitarist.
: Just about every other woman I can think of in Christian music sings.
: Just look at 65dBA, Dacoda Motor Co, Iona, Hoi Polloi, Rez, Fleming &
^^^^^^^^^^
Jenni Gullen plays acoustic guitar, tho I doubt you'll hear it much on
their new album.
PS- Got the new Fleming & John CD this weekend and listened to it to and
from the Mike Knott concert. Even though I hate their take on
_Harder_To_Believe_Than_Not_To_ I really enjoy this whole project.
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Jerry B. Ray
>If it's just some "guys" then they are not the same band. Townehouse is
>an indie band who played the Fringe Stage at Creation the Monday evening
>for those setting up before the gates opened.
Well, I just met two guys who were in the band, so I don't know if
the rest of the band was male or female. Do you know if they're
from somewhere in Alabama?
ros...@gary.com
IH>Hi everyone,
IH>I just watched the History of Rock and Roll on television. There was a
IH>segment of the gods of rock guitar. As usual every single person mentioned
IH>was a man and it was made very clear that the guitar is exclusively a male
IH>instrument. I've noticed this bias for some time and I think it's bull. I
IH>can think of quite a few women who are excellent guitarists.
IH>Rather than wait for us to play catch up with the rest of the world, I
IH>thought it might be beneficial to celebrate Christian women who play
IH>guitar. Unfortunately, I don't follow Christian music all that closely, so
IH>I'm asking you to name your favorite Christian women guitarists (acoustic
IH>or electric). They don't have to be famous. It could be someone in a local
IH>band. If any women guitarists are reading this, name yourselves. I'll
IH>start with my wife, Holly Bell (San Diego), who is one fine guitarist.
IH>Shaun Hervey
Ashley Cleveland
Margaret Becker
Kim Hill
Robin Spurs(bass)
All of the women in Rachel Rachel were fine musicians too.
Peace,
Rose
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Andrew D. Taylor
In article <3l5cth$d...@acmey.gatech.edu>,
>
>>If it's just some "guys" then they are not the same band. Townehouse is
>>an indie band who played the Fringe Stage at Creation the Monday evening
>>for those setting up before the gates opened.
>
>Well, I just met two guys who were in the band, so I don't know if
>the rest of the band was male or female. Do you know if they're
>from somewhere in Alabama?
They are from somewhere in the south. The album says that their booking
agent is out of Omaha, Nebraska. They are from somewhere in that general
area.
chris
>Jerry B. Ray <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>>In article <D62Ks...@freenet.carleton.ca> af...@freenet2.carleton.ca (Andrew D. Taylor) writes:
>>
>>>If it's just some "guys" then they are not the same band. Townehouse is
>>>an indie band who played the Fringe Stage at Creation the Monday evening
>>>for those setting up before the gates opened.
>>
>>Well, I just met two guys who were in the band, so I don't know if
>>the rest of the band was male or female. Do you know if they're
>>from somewhere in Alabama?
>
>They are from somewhere in the south. The album says that their booking
>agent is out of Omaha, Nebraska. They are from somewhere in that general
>area.
>
Omaha == the south? Hmmmmm. Don't think so. ;-)
chris
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Marsha Hollingsworth
writes:
>
>There hasn't been much response from my original post. Maybe there just
>aren't that many Christian Women Guitarists out there. (Does anybody
>remember Wendy and Mary? Both fine guitarists) Well, if there aren't
that
>many Christian women guitarists, there should be. I would hate to see
the
>perpetuation of the stereotype of women as pretty-faced vocalists. Then
>again, Christians thus far haven't exactly been the champions of
women's
>rights and abilities. Lets hope things start looking up.
>
>Shaun
>
I remember a friend of the family brought a Wendy and mary tape whenI
was younger. They were okay. They are a little too mellow for my
taste. I like things like Fighter, RachelRachel, Karenleigh if you wnat
to talk about groups with Woman Guitarists.
hhe...@ucsd.edu
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Jerry B. Ray
->Do you know if they're
->from somewhere in Alabama?
>They are from somewhere in the south. The album says that their booking
>agent is out of Omaha, Nebraska. They are from somewhere in that general
>area.
I guess "in the south" is a relative term :-)
Robert Berman
hhe...@ucsd.edu wrote:
If by women guitarists you mean "women who play guitar well enough that
it doesn't botch up their songs", then there are a goodly number in CCM,
including Amy Grant, Kim Hill, and whatsername from Rachel Rachel. But if
you mean guitarists who make you sit up and say, "Wow, they can really
play that thing!", then the list is pretty short: Ashley Cleveland, maybe
Margaret Becker.
For some reason, there just aren't many women musicians in CCM who are
practiced enough to be the instrumental center of a performance, at least
on guitar. Thus, Dann Huff and Wayne Kirkpatrick keep in steady business
using their skills on a huge plurality of CCM albums published today,
maybe even a majority. The lack of a large and diverse cabal of studio
musicians is one of the reasons that CCM radio songs sound the same: it's
the same people playing the same instruments on song after song, with
different lead singers! I exaggerate a little, of course, but not much.
King Walling
>I just watched the History of Rock and Roll on television. There was a
>segment of the gods of rock guitar. As usual every single person mentioned
>was a man and it was made very clear that the guitar is exclusively a male
>
>thought it might be beneficial to celebrate Christian women who play
>guitar. Unfortunately, I don't follow Christian music all that closely, so
Becky Isaacs on Acoustic Guitar, and altho slightly off topic, Sonya Isaacs on
the Mandolin.
Also, while I don't know any facts on this, "Sherri Easter", before marying
Jeff, was one of the daughters of the "Lewis Family". As such, I would be VERY
surprised if she was not able to 'play most men under the table' on the guitar,
or any other stringed instrement for that matter.
King
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>Just look at 65dBA, Dacoda Motor Co, Iona, Hoi Polloi, Rez, Fleming &
oops, sez you, mr. taylor!
jenny gullen plays one mean rhythm guitar. not leads, but she knows her chords
pretty well. (since i saw her playing chords at the hoi polloi/dakoda m.c.
show in columbus last saturday, i can say this.)
btw, i forgive everybody that i've ever spoken bad about dakoda motor company
to. i have now seen them live, and they are ON FIRE when they play live.
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of? Most of the excellent guitar players are men, so there will probably
not be too many women on such a show as the one described. Not that I
don't like women or that they can't play guitar (try Annette Cvengros of
Ordained Fate, a metal band with 3 women and one male), but they ususally
just don't play guitar, or at least play it really well, i.e. their focus
is not the guitar as an instrument.
Nathan (era...@rice.edu)
Shaun Hervey
Tallent) wrote:
Nathan,
One of the reason I originally posted was to change this state of things.
If more women guitarists are recognized, then more girls growing up will
know that the guitar (electric or acoustic) is a viable instrument for
them to learn. Things change slowly, but have a feeling they will.
I disagree with your last statement. You start by that women can indeed
play guitar, but then say that they con't play it very well and that the
guitar is not their focus. You probably don't intend to, but it seems that
you group all women together ("they") and that you consider "them" to have
an inherent disability when it comes to playing guitar.
Shaun
Jerry B. Ray
>btw, i forgive everybody that i've ever spoken bad about dakoda motor company
>to. i have now seen them live, and they are ON FIRE when they play live.
Yep, they were one of the best sounding live bands of that style that I've
ever seen when I saw them the a few days back. I miss Davia, but they
still kick butt. :-)
JRjr
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Becker plays guitar Also Susan Ashton, Kim Hill, Amy Grant, Ashley
Cleveland. I know there are more. Rachel Rachel's guitarist was female,
obviously. Too bad they broke up.
Phillip a. Lemons
Christopher Kettlewell
>Nathan,
>Shaun
One of the problems that the feminist movement has brought is the idea
that women are not equal to men they are the same. Nobody ever questioned
the fact that there was more difference between women and men than the way
that they are brought up until the feminist movement suggested it.
I think you will probably find that although you can't (and I am not trying
to) group all women (or all men) into a group and say a definitive thing
about that group, when it comes to what women and men like, you will find
that on average, they are different. So I think that you might find that
although you find women who are really into cars and men who are into
knitting, they are not the majority and it isn't just because they are told
what they have to be when they are growing up.
I think that women guitarists are fine, but there is I think a majority of
men who play the guitar and probably majorities of women playing some other
instruments. It has nothing to do with how we treat women.
It was Jesus Christ when He was on earth who was one of the first people
who treated women with the same respect as men. He treated them as equals.
But that doesn't mean they are the same. I am sure there are lots of women
who play the guitar well. But if it is a fact that a majority of guitarists
are men you can't blame the way that Christians treaat women. I think that
there is probaably not really any difference in the percentage of Christian
woman gutarists and cecular women guitarists.
anyway, I have to go now.
Chris...
Dana Jon Ellison
are brought up to play certain instruments and not others or
whatever you guys were arguing about, I think that Christian
women who play guitar are really sexy, and I know I probably
shouldnt be saying that in this newsgroup, but I do find it a
real positive thing when I consider the personality of a certain
girl. I am also proud to say that my girlfriend plays guitar,
and has come a long way in a short time. Just thought I would
mention that. So girls, cut the nails of your left hand and you
can be sure to snag some nice guys like me who love a guitar
playing christian woman, becuase I know there are a lot of us out
there!
Brad Bowman
There are some fairly amazing female guitarists (Lita Ford for example) and
there are some amazing flute players (Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull). But the
majority of guitarists are male and the majority of flufe players are female. We
can go down the line with most musical instruments and put them into a male /
female category. example...
trombone - M
calrinet - F
violin - M/F
bass - M
oboe - F
percussion - M
vocals - M/F
the list goes on.
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Shaun Hervey
> Finally, a voice of reason among the caos the feminist movement has created.
> There are some fairly amazing female guitarists (Lita Ford for example) and
> there are some amazing flute players (Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull). But the
> majority of guitarists are male and the majority of flufe players are female.
> We can go down the line with most musical instruments and put them into
>
> trombone - M
> calrinet - F
> violin - M/F
> bass - M
> oboe - F
> percussion - M
> vocals - M/F
>
> the list goes on.
>
> Brad Bowman
Brad,
You're joking, right? You don't really think you can categorize
instruments according to gender? My wife plays trumpet, guitar, recorder
and drums. What do you make of this? Ever heard of Galway Kinnell? This
man is one of the best flute players I've heard. The list goes on.
Also, my original post was meant to celebrate women guitarists in order to
change such stereotypes. I definitely think that in the future we will see
more and more women playing guitar.
Whose "voice of reason" are you referring to?
Shaun Hervey
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>From: she...@ucsd.edu (Shaun Hervey)
>Subject: Re: Christian Women Guitarists
>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 19:15:47 -0700
APOLOGY TO R.M.C IN ADVANCE FOR THE OFF-TOPIC POST - PLEASE POST ANY REPLIES
E-MAIL ONLY! NO PERSONAL OFFENSE INTENDED TO ANYONE - INCLUDING SHAUN HERVEY...
Shaun... helooooooo! Did you _read_ his post at _all_? We first spoke about
musicians that did _not_ match the gender/instrument list, but then simply
made an intelligent observation that noted that most players of the above
instruments were of a particular gender. It was NOT a stereotyping of
instrumentalists or an attempt to restrict anyone to any instrument. He
didn't say one gender was more skilled than the other at an instrument. He
just stated what he saw.
Do these statements cross the PC line?
Men as a general rule have greater upper body strength than women.
Most Christians attend church.
They are just statements of fact about a particular group of people - not a
judgement on them.
If this PC stuff goes much further, we won't be able to interview employees
for fear we offend them by implying that one person's skills may be better
suited to a job than anothers...
OK... I'm sounding a little harsh. I don't mean to - I hate generalizations
that hurt people - but I thought Shaun took Brad's post _way_ out of context...
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>> calrinet - F
>> violin - M/F
>> bass - M
>> oboe - F
>> percussion - M
>> vocals - M/F
>>
>> the list goes on.
>>
>> Brad Bowman
"Why, Brother Brad, WHAT in the WORLD are you carrying?"
"Oh, it's nothing."
"That wouldn't be a CALRINET you're trying to hide behind your back, would it?
Don't you know that a CALRINET is a GIRLS instrument, boy? Yer headed STRAIGHT
to HELL in a handbasket! Don't you know that the CALRINET was an INSTRUMENT
of SIN, used by that hussy JEZEBEL herself? You see boy? It's right here
in Preconceptions 3:23!"
<Brad takes up NRAERV[1] and reads aloud...>
"And Jezebel, forsaking the natural order of things, cast aside her calrinet
and did mosh furiously with bass, percussion and trombone before foreign
bands; and there was great falling away in the land and young men did perform
with oboe and calrinet and neither the violin nor the vocal was heard, for
the mix was very bad."
"Alas, I am convicted! Brother Jed, your words have been wisdom to me. I
must go and tell others!"
<As we leave the scene, our hero heads for the terminal room, clearly
determined to spread the good news. Yes, Brad likes people, and people
like Brad.>
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Robert Berman
she...@ucsd.edu (Shaun Hervey) wrote:
> Brad,
>
> You're joking, right? You don't really think you can categorize
> instruments according to gender? My wife plays trumpet, guitar, recorder
> and drums. What do you make of this? Ever heard of Galway Kinnell? This
> man is one of the best flute players I've heard. The list goes on.
I don't know if I agree with Brad's post, but the thrust of his post was
simply a factual claim, not a value judgement. He wasn't claiming that
men can't be good flautists, or that women can't be good drummers. Just
that if you added up the numbers, you'd find that most drummers are men,
etc. I don't consider that to be offensive or stereotypical, do you?
> Also, my original post was meant to celebrate women guitarists in order to
> change such stereotypes. I definitely think that in the future we will see
> more and more women playing guitar.
I heartily welcome more men and women playing more different kinds of
instruments as much as possible. But I also would hate to see it become a
selling point (e.g. Rachel Rachel).
Brad Bowman
that "gender stereotype" and play instruments that may not be "feminine or
masculine". I to am getting real tired of this PC drivel that keeps creeping up
everywhere. My statements were just observations. I applaud Mrs. Hervey for her
ability to play various instruments. I am sorry for ruffling Shaun's feathers
but no slam was intended.
Jennifer L. Morgan
What about pianists? Christian churches are full of women pianists and
organists. Why are there so few women keyboardists in the CCM community.
Sorry guys, despite your posts, I suspect we are looking at some
cultural, rather than talent, barriers here.
Jennifer Morgan