DC Talk's Kevin Max Smith
LbrtyFlame
Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I heard
was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to rally
behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that? Is
the rest of DC Talk in support of his decision? Is he still a member of
DC Talk? I know that Jerry Fallwell's Liberty University, where I attend
school, is in an uproar because of Smith's prolem. Someone please help
answer these questions. Thanks a bunch. God Bless.
Chuck Pearson
LbrtyFlame (lbrty...@aol.com) wrote:
: Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I heard
: was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to rally
: behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that?
this is a troll, right?
chuck. i ain't believin' nothin' until.
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PLJGY
lbrty...@aol.com (LbrtyFlame) wrote:
>Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I heard
>was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to rally
>behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that? Is
>the rest of DC Talk in support of his decision? Is he still a member of
>DC Talk? I know that Jerry Fallwell's Liberty University, where I attend
>school, is in an uproar because of Smith's prolem. Someone please help
>answer these questions. Thanks a bunch. God Bless.
He just proposed to his girlfriend at Cafe Milano in Nashville in front of
God and everybody...does that answer your question???
Joe Kimbler
On 21 Jan 1997 16:46:44 -0500, cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Chuck
Pearson) wrote:
>LbrtyFlame (lbrty...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I heard
>: was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to rally
>: behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that?
>
>this is a troll, right?
>
>chuck. i ain't believin' nothin' until.
No...it's a joke. Someone who thinks it all a big joke. Kevin Smith
has no "problem".
Some people's Children....
-Joe Kimbler
KTIG-FM
Dan Temmesfeld
austen's loudmouth dad wrote:
> if you're the former, i feel sorry for liberty university.
> if you're the latter, i feel sorry for liberty university.
>
> btw, we've been trolled by *much* better, brainiac.
Yeah, much better trolls have crossed our NG before...some we still don't know if they were
trolls or actually workers for certain "cutting edge" labels...
> NiCk
> soulbelly.
James
Tooth and Nail ;)
austen's loudmouth dad
In <19970121202...@ladder01.news.aol.com> lbrty...@aol.com
(LbrtyFlame) writes:
>
>Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I
>heard was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians
>to rally behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest
>still a member of DC Talk? I know that Jerry Fallwell's Liberty
>University, where I attend school, is in an uproar because of Smith's
>prolem. Someone please help answer these questions. Thanks a bunch.
>God Bless.
<the following contains strong language:>
i'm going to assume that you're just an ignorant, mis/uninformed idiot
who speaks/writes before he thinks, rather than a pathetic, stupid,
sick fuck, who cares more about a rumour and a laugh than a person.
if you're the former, i feel sorry for liberty university.
if you're the latter, i feel sorry for liberty university.
btw, we've been trolled by *much* better, brainiac.
peace,
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On 22 Jan 1997 02:02:26 GMT, s.b...@ix.netcom.com(austen's loudmouth
dad) wrote:
>
>>Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I
>>heard was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians
>>to rally behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest
>>on that? ....
>
><the following contains strong language:>
>
>i'm going to assume that you're just an ignorant, mis/uninformed idiot
>who speaks/writes before he thinks, rather than a pathetic, stupid,
>sick fuck, who cares more about a rumour and a laugh than a person.
>if you're the former, i feel sorry for liberty university.
>if you're the latter, i feel sorry for liberty university.
>
>btw, we've been trolled by *much* better, brainiac.
>
>peace,
>NiCk
Well...I'm glad that's over. I agree with the message, however.
-Joe
LbrtyFlame
>>>>He just proposed to his girlfriend at Cafe Milano in Nashville in
front of
God and everybody...does that answer your question???<<<<
I was just relaying what I had heard. The rest of Liberty University
seems to believe. So does Jerry Fallwell, but If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
JayDee311
I go to Liberty Too, and I've heard the same thing, but I've yet to hear
it from DC Talk themselves. I have no idea.
=w=
David King
And that would make the rest of Liberty University seem pretty
ignorant, wouldn't it?
And I seriously doubt that you went around to every single person
at Liberty University and took a poll on Mr. Smith's sexuality.
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Cheef Dan
LbrtyFlame (lbrty...@aol.com) wrote:
: Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I heard
: was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to rally
: behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that?
It's totally true.
Why do you think Jars of Clay doesn't tour with them anymore?
Dan Hasseltine got sick of Kevin hitting on him in the tour bus!
At least Kevin's finally calmed down now.
He and Carman have been having an affair for years now.
Carman's tried to keep Kevin monogamous, but before he came out of the
closet, Kevin was very promiscuous.
Now that Kevin has come out, he and Carman are planning a fall wedding.
: Is
: the rest of DC Talk in support of his decision? Is he still a member of
: DC Talk? I know that Jerry Fallwell's Liberty University, where I attend
: school, is in an uproar because of Smith's prolem. Someone please help
: answer these questions. Thanks a bunch. God Bless.
The band supports him very much.
Toby has been quoted as saying, "Thank goodness. We were sick and tired
of having to drag his drunken ass out of the leather bars every night.
Hopefully now we won't have to come up with phony religious explanations
of why we cover Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Village People songs during
our second encore."
Rumor has it that Tony Campolo will be performing the wedding.
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for fun." - Tom Teepen, Cox News Service
John v
Once upon a time, chee...@netaxs.com (Cheef Dan) wrote:
>Rumor has it that Tony Campolo will be performing the wedding.
ROTFLMAO
<wipes eyes>
this is just getting too good.
John v.
What do I do
When I seems I relate to Judas
More than You ...
-poor old lu
Chapstik69
Well, I DON'T go to Liberty University, but I have heard something about
Kevin Max Smith on Z TV this morning. Didn't catch all of th segment, but
the person talking about Kevin seemed distressed at the end of his report.
If anybody knows anymore or saw this please post what the guy on Z TV
said.
Joe Kimbler
On 22 Jan 1997 12:47:26 GMT, chee...@netaxs.com (Cheef Dan) wrote:
>LbrtyFlame (lbrty...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I heard
>: was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to rally
>: behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that?
>
>It's totally true.
>Why do you think Jars of Clay doesn't tour with them anymore?
>Dan Hasseltine got sick of Kevin hitting on him in the tour bus!
>The band supports him very much.
>Toby has been quoted as saying, "Thank goodness. We were sick and tired
>of having to drag his drunken ass out of the leather bars every night.
The Bible says that we will be persicuted for His sake. Sorry it's
happening to you Kevin. But it shows that you are right in the center
of God's will. Don't let Satan and these yahoo's get you down with
these's lies. Bless you for al your work reaching out to teens and
young adults.
Kinda makes you sick doesn't it?
-Joe
Matt Laswell
lbrty...@aol.com (LbrtyFlame) wrote:
>>>>>He just proposed to his girlfriend at Cafe Milano in Nashville in
>front of
>God and everybody...does that answer your question???<<<<
>I was just relaying what I had heard. The rest of Liberty University
>seems to believe. So does Jerry Fallwell, but If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
Christians believe a lot of unfounded gossip. Doesn't make it true.
Doesn't make it right to pass along, either.
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Matt Laswell
Ummm... Dan was joking, Joe. Making a mockery of the original
accusation... Buy a vowel.
Throesline
>LbrtyFlame (lbrty...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I
heard
>: was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to
rally
>: behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that?
well, the last time kevin & i shacked up.........
pahleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaassssse....... bill
JayDee311
Ok, to clear up any Kevin Max Smith rumors of being gay. The are false!!!
Everybody knows it wasn't Kevin. It was Toby that is the guy that is
gay as a French horn!!! Kidding. I still think the rumors might be true.
Just look at how he looks. Maybe he's not Gay. Bue he has a good chance
of being Bi. I don' tknow though. I'm not saying anything till I hear it
from him.
=w=
Wednesday
In article <19970123074...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
JayDee311 <jayd...@aol.com> wrote:
>Ok, to clear up any Kevin Max Smith rumors of being gay. The are false!!!
>Everybody knows it wasn't Kevin. It was Toby that is the guy that is
>gay as a French horn!!! Kidding. I still think the rumors might be true.
> Just look at how he looks. Maybe he's not Gay. Bue he has a good chance
>of being Bi. I don' tknow though.
No. You don't.
Unless Kevin has gone out and tattooed a rainbow flag or a pink triangle
(actually, I'm not sure if it's pink for bi stuff; I can't keep track)
on his forehead, is wearing ACT UP shirts as a matter of course (and even
then), has rainbow rings on a chain, or is abiding by the local hanky
codes, YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING BY APPEARANCES WHETHER THE BOY
IS QUEER.
Granted, most of us have a good chance of being bi if you go by Kinsey
definitions of it (although very few of us are actually smack-dab middle
of the scale), but I get the impression that that's not what you meant.
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In article <19970123193...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
JayDee311 <jayd...@aol.com> wrote:
>>YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING BY APPEARANCES WHETHER >THE BOY
>>IS QUEER.
>Yup. I would have to say that Kevin looks gay, sorry.
I've been told on numerous occasions that _I_ "look gay." Heck, members
of my Sunday School class thought I was gay when they first met me. But
I can say with a hefty degree of certainty that I'm quite straight. So
this whole "looks gay" thing is pretty worthless. To borrow a phrase
from Third Day, "ain't you got nothing better to do?"
JRjr
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Tony Robinson
JayDee311 wrote:
>
> >YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING BY APPEARANCES WHETHER >THE BOY
> >IS QUEER.
>
> Yup. I would have to say that Kevin looks gay, sorry.
>
Kevin is not gay but infact engaged (to a woman). I forget her name, but
I think that is what the guy on Ztv was talking about.
Freak Indeed,
Tony ><()>
The Infamous Mr Blue
On 23 Jan 1997 07:40:11 GMT, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
>Ok, to clear up any Kevin Max Smith rumors of being gay. The are false!!!
> Everybody knows it wasn't Kevin. It was Toby that is the guy that is
>gay as a French horn!!! Kidding. I still think the rumors might be true.
> Just look at how he looks. Maybe he's not Gay. Bue he has a good chance
>of being Bi. I don' tknow though. I'm not saying anything till I hear it
>from him.
Define "looking gay" Its not like Toby is some kind of cross dresser
or anything.
Joe Kimbler
>On 23 Jan 1997 07:40:11 GMT, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
>
>>Ok, to clear up any Kevin Max Smith rumors of being gay. The are false!!!
>
>Define "looking gay" Its not like Toby is some kind of cross dresser
>or anything.
>
...not to mention that Toby is married.
-Joe
JayDee311
isb...@sk.sympatico.ca
I feel a need to speak out as a Sister of Kevin Smith in Christ.
I feel that these are rumours and I will refer to them as rumours
till I hear the whole truth from Kevin.
If these are true I believe it is God's way of strengthening
the group as Christians. If Kevin has come out into the open he
has confessed and has enabled the door to freedom to open. Listen
to their music and the lyrics.
The thing that ticks me off the most is wether this is true or not. Who's
buisness is it anyway
it is between Kevin and God not the Whole world Kevin and God. Also
the fact that as Christian's we are to forgive each other for sins if
we are supposed to do this then WHY do we not forgive other Christians.
I think that it has to begin in our family of Christ before it can begin
with non Christians. Remember all have sinned and fall short of the glory of
God.
In reply to the guy asking about ZTV well I saw dc talks new video
Just Between You and Me. So they are probably aware that this is going
around but if it is so true then why are they still playing their music
Michelle
Ps. I will be praying for each memeber of the group and may they continue to
have success in there lives.
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Look. It's not like I'm going to begrudge you the fact that he's a pretty
boy. A pretty boy, however, does not a <2 Kinsey rating make. There is no
accurate way, beyond obvious visual trappings, to determine someone's
sexual orientation -- and even the "obvious" visual trappings require a little
study into queer culture. You know, like hanky codes and certain emblems
and jewelry...
All you are doing is reinforcing a given stereotype regarding masculinity,
appearances, and a limited paradigm of heterosexual attractiveness.
Please cease. You have no way of knowing from the currently available data.
Wednesday
austen's loudmouth dad nick <s.b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>i don't believe the rumour, but being married has _nothing_ to do with
>being gay. just ask elton john.
I thought he was bi, actually.
Or was that David Bowie?
Jason and Heather
The Infamous Mr Blue <don...@imagixx.net> wrote:
> On 23 Jan 1997 07:40:11 GMT, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
> >
> > Kidding. I still think the rumors might be true. Just look at
> > how he looks. Maybe he's not Gay. Bue he has a good chance of
> > being Bi. I don' tknow though. I'm not saying anything till I
> > hear it from him.
>
> or anything.
Quite a few cross dressers aren't even gay. How's that Ed Wood quote
go? "I like girls just fine! Wearing their clothes makes me feel
closer to them." And of course, gays look just like anyone else.
That said, people in the same subculture do tend to dress alike. I
doubt I'm the only person to notice the queer (ha!) similarity
between "cleancut evangelical youth" and "polo fag".
jason
r.m.c resident atheist
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The Infamous Mr Blue
On 24 Jan 1997 02:03:19 GMT, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
>i don't believe the rumour, but being married has _nothing_ to do with
>being gay. just ask elton john.
>
I never knew Elton was married.
It looks like ketchup , it tastes like ketchup , but
brother , IT AINT KETCHUP!- Homer Simpson
Lyle Beidler
> Who's
>buisness is it anyway
>it is between Kevin and God not the Whole world Kevin and God.
Actually, Kevin is a respected Christian artist and, through his music, a
spokesman for Christian youth. There are Christians who would refuse to
listen to his music if he was gay. Since many of his fans are Christians who
believe homosexuality is a sin, they have a right to know.
Lyle Beidler Pennsylvanian by birth, Nittany Lion by the grace of God
lkb...@psu.edu http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/l/k/lkb128/
"People say I'm strange does it make me a stranger
That my best friend was born in a manger
What will people think when they hear that I'm a Jesus Freak
What will people do when they find out it's true?
I don't really care if they label me a Jesus Freak
Cause there ain't no disguising the Truth." -DC Talk, "Jesus Freak"
Joe Kimbler
Do you ever get the feeling that a discussion has been carried FAR
beyond it's logical extreme?
...they did a good job getting us all stired up...let's move on.
That's what I think.
-Joe
Joe Kimbler
On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:51:16 -0600, isb...@sk.sympatico.ca wrote:
>I feel a need to speak out as a Sister of Kevin Smith in Christ.
>I feel that these are rumours and I will refer to them as rumours
>till I hear the whole truth from Kevin.
HE'S NOT GAY! HE'S NOT GAY! HE'S NOT GAY! It is just a joke that
they are trying to pull...a gag, they are just joshing ya! Kevin is
getting married, he has his life under the absolute BIGGEST microscope
EVERY SINGLE HOUR of EVERY SINGLE DAY just because he is part of one
of the biggest Christian bands EVER! Don't you think that something
like this would have come out LONG BEFORE THIS.
As far as the whole truth from Kevin, one of my friends just talked to
him a few days ago about his book of poems and his solo career and his
pending wedding and he is VERY happy.
Where did all this come from anyway? Just rumor or was there some
sort of publication that said something?
-Joe Kimbler
austen's loudmouth dad nick
In <32e7f7f...@news.uslink.net> jkim...@uslink.net (Joe Kimbler)
writes:
>On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:25:58 GMT, don...@imagixx.net (The Infamous Mr
>Blue) wrote:
>
>>On 23 Jan 1997 07:40:11 GMT, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, to clear up any Kevin Max Smith rumors of being gay. The are
>>false!!!
>>
>>or anything.
>>
i don't believe the rumour, but being married has _nothing_ to do with
being gay. just ask elton john.
peace,
NiCk
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On 23 Jan 1997 22:29:29 -0600, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
>austen's loudmouth dad nick <s.b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>i don't believe the rumour, but being married has _nothing_ to do with
>>being gay. just ask elton john.
>
>I thought he was bi, actually.
>
>Or was that David Bowie?
>
Elton is totally gay from what I've heard and Mr Bowie maybe bi (but
to my knowledge his affair with Mick Jagger was a hoax so he's
probally totally straight)
Jerry B. Ray
In article <5c917f$9...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>,
Jason and Heather <stei...@primenet.com> wrote:
>That said, people in the same subculture do tend to dress alike. I
>doubt I'm the only person to notice the queer (ha!) similarity
>between "cleancut evangelical youth" and "polo fag".
Heh. Yeah, I've often marveled at that (and appreciated the irony)
myself. I knew a guy in high school (and I'm friends with his brother,
who now goes to my church) who was the epitome of the "cleancut
evangelical youth." This guy passed out John Denver is the antichrist
fliers in school and stuff. Now it turns out that he's gay. Go figure. :-)
Christopher C Parks
In article <5cauav$t...@acmex.gatech.edu> vap...@prism.gatech.edu (Jerry B.
Ray) writes:
>.... I knew a guy in high school (and I'm friends with his brother,
>who now goes to my church) who was the epitome of the "cleancut
>evangelical youth." This guy passed out John Denver is the antichrist
>fliers in school and stuff.
i know you cite that as an extreme example, Jerry, but there's just one
thing...
John Denver IS the anti-christ.
HTH.
Peace,
chris
Deb, or Kris, or Sara, or David, or Rachel
On 21 Jan 1997 20:21:40 GMT, lbrty...@aol.com (LbrtyFlame) wrote:
>Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I heard
>was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to rally
>behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that? Is
>the rest of DC Talk in support of his decision? Is he still a member of
>DC Talk? I know that Jerry Fallwell's Liberty University, where I attend
>school, is in an uproar because of Smith's prolem. Someone please help
>answer these questions. Thanks a bunch. God Bless.
I can't believe you can actually posted something like this. To let you know
Kevin just got engaged to his long time girlfriend. How many guys that are gay
are going to get engaged? Think about the lyrics that he and the rest of DC
Talk sing about!!!! The last thing that Kevin is, is gay. Kevin is a role
model for many teens and totally has devoted his life to God. I think we should
focus on what he and the rest of DC talk teach about God instead of the rumors
that are flying. Think about how Kevin would feel if he saw all the rumors!!
Henry K. Olden
On 22 Jan 1997, LbrtyFlame wrote:
> >>>>He just proposed to his girlfriend at Cafe Milano in Nashville in
> front of
> God and everybody...does that answer your question???<<<<
>
> I was just relaying what I had heard. The rest of Liberty University
> seems to believe. So does Jerry Fallwell, but If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
Can you say g o s s i p ?
Henry K. Olden
hol...@email.unc.edu
Henry K. Olden
On 23 Jan 1997, JayDee311 wrote:
> >YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING BY APPEARANCES WHETHER >THE BOY
> >IS QUEER.
>
> Yup. I would have to say that Kevin looks gay, sorry.
Just because he's not wearing an out of date sweater and sporting Jerry
Falwell hair doesn't mean he looks gay.
You need to get out more.
In fact, when I was lurking several months ago, I remember someone posting
a url for a site with a game where you would guess if the person in the
picture was gay or not. I think maybe Jason Steiner posted it. If he
could post it again, you'd surely benefit from a vist.
Henry K. Olden
hol...@email.unc.edu
dan@dol.net (Dan.masten@dol.net (dan)
From: dan.m...@dol.net (Dan Masten)
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Subject: Re: DC Talk's Kevin Max Smith
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Yeah, he is getting married really soon. He got engaged over
Thanksgiving.
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>JayDee311 wrote:
>>
>> >YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING BY APPEARANCES WHETHER >THE BOY
>> >IS QUEER.
>>
>> Yup. I would have to say that Kevin looks gay, sorry.
>>
Lyle Beidler
>John Denver IS the anti-christ.
Got a question for you folks: I think the following came from a
british poet:
"I am the Anti-Christ, fear me!"
I was saying this over and over again on my way into chorus my senior
year of high school, but I don't remember where I got it, but I think
it was in english lit.
(it then became the way I was known to most of the chorus.)
STR8 GATE
There is no validity or shred of truth to these unkind posts concerning
Kevin or Toby of dc Talk.
It saddens me to think of the level some would stoop in the name of (I
assume) humor. Although many who have posted on this thread have done so
with tounge in cheek (again, I assume it was your cheek), I sure there are
many people that read these posts that actually think there might be some
truth to this topic and take what is totally and unconditionally false and
spread it as if it were true.... thus smearing the character of a brother
in Christ, damaging his ministry, and even the possibility of ruining his
career.
I know each member of dc Talk on a very close personal and professional
level. I have worked and traveled with them for six years. I have lived
with them for months at a time in the very close quarters of a tour bus, I
have seen them in every conceivable situation and I can assure you that
yes, they are human and have many faults, as is common to man, but they
are men who desire to serve God in their daily walk as well as with their
music. They hold the Scriptures to be the inspired Word of God, and
attempt to live their lives as Christ would have them.
I have been involved in the Christian music "industry" since 1973. To my
knowledge, dc Talk is the ONLY band that consistantly takes a Pastor on
the road with them. I can assure you that he is not a "yes" man to the
members of the group. There have been many times when he has called out
the beginings of an attitude or pride problem or spoken directly to what
he beleives is a path that would not honor Christ when it would have been
far more "convienient" to remain quiet until it became too large to
ignore. It costs the members of dc Talk dollars out of their pockets to
take him on the road.... especially when we travel out of the country....
They would no do this if they did not desire to be held spiritually
accountable.
Please discontiue this type of "humor"..... it is not numor if it hurts
another.
Thank you for reading this.
Denny Keitzman
dc Talk Tour Manager
Joe Kimbler
On 25 Jan 1997 04:52:36 GMT, str8...@aol.com (STR8 GATE) wrote:
>There is no validity or shred of truth to these unkind posts concerning
>Kevin or Toby of dc Talk.
>
>It saddens me to think of the level some would stoop in the name of (I
>assume) humor....
AMEN!!!!!!! God has moved through the music of DC Talk to change more
lives than anyone who posts in this newsgroup can even count. Are
they real, committed conversions. You bet, because I am one of them.
It's junk like all this that leads performers to wonder "Is it all
worth it?" It would be a VERY DARK DAY if DC Talk (or Kevin himself)
were to up and leave the music scene for any other reason than
direction from Christ.
Denny, thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to come in
here and clean up this "mess". God bless you, the band, Toby, Mike,
Kevin, the crew, and everyone who works hard to make DC Talk a class
act and who keeps them (and us) accountable.
In Christ:
Joe Kimbler
KTIG-FM, Pequot Lakes, MN
Kevin J Matthews
> John Denver IS the anti-christ.
Another Enlightened One!!!!
He seeks to intoxicate us with spam and then drive us insane with is
music...... But we'll run to the hills! To the hills, to the hills, to the
hills, to the hills, .....
Peter
Matt Laswell
Joe Kimbler (jkim...@uslink.net) wrote:
: On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:25:58 GMT, don...@imagixx.net (The Infamous Mr
: Blue) wrote:
: >On 23 Jan 1997 07:40:11 GMT, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
: >
: >>Ok, to clear up any Kevin Max Smith rumors of being gay. The are false!!!
: >
: >Define "looking gay" Its not like Toby is some kind of cross dresser
: >or anything.
: >
: ...not to mention that Toby is married.
It's amazing how far they'll go to cover these things up... ;-)
- matt
Jason and Heather
Henry K. Olden <hol...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
> On 23 Jan 1997, JayDee311 wrote:
>
> > >YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING BY APPEARANCES WHETHER >THE BOY
> > >IS QUEER.
> >
> > Yup. I would have to say that Kevin looks gay, sorry.
>
> Jerry Falwell hair doesn't mean he looks gay.
>
> You need to get out more.
>
> In fact, when I was lurking several months ago, I remember someone
> posting a url for a site with a game where you would guess if the
> person in the picture was gay or not. I think maybe Jason Steiner
> posted it. If he could post it again, you'd surely benefit from a
> vist.
Ha! I had forgotten all about that. Lost the bookmark when my
webpage crashed, but that's what search engines are for...
It's "Gay or Eurotrash?", from Blair #3.
http://www.blairmag.com/blair3/gaydar/euro.html
Sokheaven
i've known toby for years and have been around kevin enough and watched
him flirt and ever on the quest of a new girlfriend enough to know he is
not gay. his fiance is a lovely girl who has been involved (NOT sexually,
please) with kevin for more than 2 years - please stop all this craziness-
toby is head over heels in love with his wife and for the record mike is
very in love with his lady, rachel.
linda
MysteDream
Forgive me - I didn't quote anyone in particular, since it's the absurdity
of the conversation I'm addressing.
The work DC Talk has done in the name of Christ Jesus is wonderful. The
music is inspirational to many, and the lives they have changed through
their ministry is astounding. Rumor like this about Kevin and Toby are
destructive to the image the band has. And for the record, I don't
beleive any of the rumors.
Even if either one chose an "alternative lifestyle" (be it cross dressing
or a homesexual/bisexual realtionship or whatever), that is between them
and GOD, not anyone else. Let those among you without sin cast the first
stone. If someone actually made a public confession, the damages would
be severe, that's true. But to say "so-and-so is gay, I can tell by how he
looks" is stupid.
I wonder how the guys feel, hearing this stuff? What about Steve Taylor?
He wore a woman's dress in "Lifeboat." Does that make him a cross
dresser? Should we all publically debate this long haired musician and
cast doubts on his sexual orientation? When does it become ridiculous?
If anyone from the band is reading this, keep up the good work. I will
continue to pray for your ministry, and I wish you well with your lives.
Yoda
On 1/24/97 it was stated with a closed mind.......
Henry K. Olden <hol...@email.unc.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.A41.3.95.970124...@login5.isis.unc.edu>...
> On 23 Jan 1997, JayDee311 wrote:
>
> > >YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING BY APPEARANCES WHETHER >THE BOY
> > >IS QUEER.
> >
> > Yup. I would have to say that Kevin looks gay, sorry.
>
> Just because he's not wearing an out of date sweater and sporting Jerry
> Falwell hair doesn't mean he looks gay.
>
> You need to get out more.
>
> In fact, when I was lurking several months ago, I remember someone
posting
> a url for a site with a game where you would guess if the person in the
> picture was gay or not. I think maybe Jason Steiner posted it. If he
> could post it again, you'd surely benefit from a vist.
>
>
> hol...@email.unc.edu
>
>
>
>
It amazes me that Christians can be so closed minded about the way people
look. The old song says that they will know that we are Christians by our
love, not by our fashion sense.
Get a life, and a Bible while you're at it!
Tony Bowden
Sokheaven (sokh...@aol.com) wrote:
> i've known toby for years and have been around kevin enough and watched
> him flirt and ever on the quest of a new girlfriend enough to know he is
> not gay. his fiance is a lovely girl who has been involved (NOT sexually,
> please) with kevin for more than 2 years
If he's marrying someone he hasn't been involved with sexually then he
sounds gay to me ;)
Or do you have a different concept of sexuality to most people?
Tony
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Todd Adams
Denny,
I'm so glad to see you post a response nearly identical to the one I was
going to write. I can't believe I'm reading this kind of senseless (and
completely untrue) gossip from Christians.
To the Newsgroup:
I also worked and travelled with DC Talk along with Denny and can tell you
that his posting is not just a public relations damage control from their
organization. I have moved on to run my own production company now and
all three guys in DC Talk (as well as Denny Keitzman, Dan Pitts, and
Michael Guido) have been a role model for me in how to run a business
without losing sight of your calling. They are an example to me of how to
live a life of integrity, submissive to the Lord's will over their own.
It hurts me to see things like this posted about these guys. It bothers
me to know that some people will assume its true. We've got a lot to
learn.
str8...@aol.com (STR8 GATE) wrote:
>There is no validity or shred of truth to these unkind posts concerning
>Kevin or Toby of dc Talk.
>
>It saddens me to think of the level some would stoop in the name of (I
anonymous
Forgive me for posting anonymously. I actually make my living in the
Christian music industry and would like to continue making a living.
Maybe everyone outside of Nashville thinks that the Christian Music
industry is holy and sanctified. I hate to tell you, the people producing
Christian music are just as human as those in mainstream. Look at recent
events with Michael English and Sandi Patty.
I have worked with DC Talk and know each of them and their staff very
closely and can tell you that neither Kevin nor Toby is gay. However,
there are a lot of others working in this industry who are and are not too
secretive about it. A very prominent songwriter who continually writes #1
singles for different artists is openly gay. Michael W. Smith has had an
openly gay assistant on his payroll for five years and had a gay dancer on
tour with him during Change Your World. I could name three fairly
prominent artists who are gay (but I won't). Many of the people who work
behind the scenes in publicity, radio promotion, and sales have traits
that most Christians wouldn't approve of. But they are not pointed out
because those people aren't in the spotlight.
The example I could list are too numerous. Put away your fundamentalism.
That's not what being a Christian is about. Let him without sin cast the
first stone.
In article <19970126052...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
myste...@aol.com (MysteDream) wrote:
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Brett Morgan
lbrty...@aol.com (LbrtyFlame) wrote:
>>>>>He just proposed to his girlfriend at Cafe Milano in Nashville in
>front of
>God and everybody...does that answer your question???<<<<
>I was just relaying what I had heard. The rest of Liberty University
>seems to believe. So does Jerry Fallwell, but If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
Were just glad Jerry and the kids at ole Liberty don't decide the fate
and judge the life of K. Max....,...I suggest you go watch 90210 some
more.....God is the judge we are to be broken in spirit....
-Brett M.
Jason and Heather
anonymous <anon...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> Forgive me for posting anonymously. I actually make my living in the
> Christian music industry and would like to continue making a living.
That was anonymous?
Hi, Todd <labre...@aol.com>.
jason
Joe Kimbler
On 26 Jan 1997 16:20:35 GMT, p949...@qub.ac.uk (Tony Bowden) wrote:
>If he's marrying someone he hasn't been involved with sexually then he
>sounds gay to me ;)
>
>Or do you have a different concept of sexuality to most people?
It's called waiting until marrage. It may suprise some people reading
this to know that there are some people who still believe that casual
sex is wrong and want to save the most important gift that anyone can
give their mate for that mate.
...and yes. It would seem that most Christians have a different
concept of sexuality than most people when it comes to waiting for
marrage.
Peace
Joe
Peter Thomas Chattaway
Jason and Heather (stei...@primenet.com) wrote:
: anonymous <anon...@nowhere.com> wrote:
: > Forgive me for posting anonymously. I actually make my living in the
: > Christian music industry and would like to continue making a living.
:
: That was anonymous?
: Hi, Todd <labre...@aol.com>.
There ya go. Ya had to out him, didntcha. ;)
--
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Culture Editor, | and some insincere art (sincerely insincere)
The Ubyssey | can be quite good."
pet...@unixg.ubc.ca | -- Igor Stravinsky
JayDee311
>>>It's called waiting until marrage. It may suprise some people reading
this to know that there are some people who still believe that casual
sex is wrong and want to save the most important gift that anyone can
give their mate for that mate.<<<
I agree, I'm waiting till marriage. Hopefully it'll come soon!!
=w=
Joe Kimbler
I'm keeping my fingers cross too.... :) Being single kinda stinks!
-Joe
Joe Kimbler
On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:17:12 GMT, Pud...@ix.netcom.com (Brett Morgan)
wrote:
(:grin:) I'm sorry, but I just have to say....I sense a lot of love
in that response! :)
-Joe
Lyle Beidler
>>>>It's called waiting until marrage. It may suprise some people reading
>this to know that there are some people who still believe that casual
>sex is wrong and want to save the most important gift that anyone can
>give their mate for that mate.<<<
>I agree, I'm waiting till marriage. Hopefully it'll come soon!!
Me too. Fortunately, I know when mine will be.
Unfortunately, it's still a year and a half away! AAAAGHHHH!
hazelnut
The Infamous Mr Blue wrote:
> Define "looking gay" Its not like Toby is some kind of cross dresser
> or anything.
"looking gay" is also not cross-dressing. i had a couple of guy
friends in high school that liked to cross dress and they were not
gay. but i hear you - most cross dressing men are gay, but not
all. i also dated a guy who played with the idea of cross-dressing
because we both knew he would have been a hot girl.
-hazelnut -- the conservative fundamentalist
hazelnut
Sokheaven wrote:
>
> i've known toby for years and have been around kevin enough and watched
> him flirt and ever on the quest of a new girlfriend enough to know he is
> not gay. his fiance is a lovely girl who has been involved (NOT sexually,
> toby is head over heels in love with his wife and for the record mike is
> very in love with his lady, rachel.
2 years ... 1997 minus 2 = 1995 .... whew! the guy didn't two-time
my sister then.
-hazelnut --
Henry K. Olden
On 25 Jan 1997, Jason and Heather wrote:
> Henry K. Olden <hol...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
> > In fact, when I was lurking several months ago, I remember someone
> > posting a url for a site with a game where you would guess if the
> > person in the picture was gay or not. I think maybe Jason Steiner
> > posted it. If he could post it again, you'd surely benefit from a
> > vist.
>
> Ha! I had forgotten all about that. Lost the bookmark when my
> webpage crashed, but that's what search engines are for...
>
> It's "Gay or Eurotrash?", from Blair #3.
>
> http://www.blairmag.com/blair3/gaydar/euro.html
Yeah, that's the one. Great stuff!!! So if you think you can tell gay
from straight by appearances, go ahead. Take the test.
Henry K. Olden
hol...@email.unc.edu
Henry K. Olden
On 27 Jan 1997, JayDee311 wrote:
> I agree, I'm waiting till marriage. Hopefully it'll come soon!!
Interesting considering your suggestion that I, a single man, should be
fruitful and multiply, in different words, of course...
Henry K. Olden
hol...@email.unc.edu
Joe Kimbler
On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:26:42 -0800, hazelnut <peg...@scf.usc.edu>
wrote:
There has GOT to be a better group for this discussion...
-Joe
Bev
In article <Pine.A41.3.95.970127...@login6.isis.unc.edu>,
Uhhhh...
-- bev. *grin* *neener* *grin*
--
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Bev
In article <Pine.A41.3.95.970127...@login6.isis.unc.edu>,
Henry K. Olden <hol...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>fruitful and multiply, in different words, of course...
Well, see, the trick is, you jump up and down in sea foam to induce
parthenogenesis.
Really.
I learned it from someone who read Diane Stein.
So it must be true.
Brian E. Vinson
In article <Pine.A41.3.95.970127...@login6.isis.unc.edu>,
hol...@email.unc.edu says...
>
>On 25 Jan 1997, Jason and Heather wrote:
>> > posting a url for a site with a game where you would guess if the
>> > person in the picture was gay or not. I think maybe Jason Steiner
>> > posted it. If he could post it again, you'd surely benefit from a
>> > vist.
>>
>> Ha! I had forgotten all about that. Lost the bookmark when my
>> webpage crashed, but that's what search engines are for...
>>
>> It's "Gay or Eurotrash?", from Blair #3.
>>
>
>Yeah, that's the one. Great stuff!!! So if you think you can tell gay
>from straight by appearances, go ahead. Take the test.
I only missed one, and that was a trick question... but that doesn't
really mean anything, now does it?
Brian V.
The Infamous Mr Blue
On 27 Jan 1997 00:34:40 GMT, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
>>>>It's called waiting until marrage. It may suprise some people reading
>this to know that there are some people who still believe that casual
>sex is wrong and want to save the most important gift that anyone can
>give their mate for that mate.<<<
>
>I agree, I'm waiting till marriage. Hopefully it'll come soon!!
>
>=w=
I too am waiting for marriage.
As the song goes "The waiting is the hardest part".
Donnie
don...@imagixx.net
It looks like ketchup , it tastes like ketchup , but
brother , IT AINT KETCHUP!- Homer Simpson
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, Jason and Heather <stei...@primenet.com> muttered:
>That said, people in the same subculture do tend to dress alike. I
>doubt I'm the only person to notice the queer (ha!) similarity
>between "cleancut evangelical youth" and "polo fag".
Not even *near* the only person to notice it.
Sometimes the similarities are quite astounding.
Sometimes they're a little too astounding. ;)
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Lyle Beidler
>As the song goes "The waiting is the hardest part".
Yeah, I can handle being the host, I can handle busing tables,
I can handle cooking, but the waiting is the hardest part
"You take it on faith,
you take it to the heart.
The waiting is the hardest part."
By one of the greatest groups of all time.
Matt Laswell
Joe Kimbler (jkim...@uslink.net) wrote:
: On 26 Jan 1997 16:20:35 GMT, p949...@qub.ac.uk (Tony Bowden) wrote:
: >If he's marrying someone he hasn't been involved with sexually then he
: >sounds gay to me ;)
: >
: >Or do you have a different concept of sexuality to most people?
: It's called waiting until marrage. It may suprise some people reading
: this to know that there are some people who still believe that casual
: sex is wrong and want to save the most important gift that anyone can
: give their mate for that mate.
Whoa! Hold on there, and save the sermon. Tony's point was simply that
there's a lot that qualifies as "sexual involvement" that Christians
practice all the time. Kissing, for example, is generally considered
a sexual act (that is, when done in a romantic context and not as a
greeting or an act of friendship or something). And it's not wrong to
do it.
Sexuality goes way beyond intercourse. We evangelicals tend to lose
sight of that some times.
: ...and yes. It would seem that most Christians have a different
: concept of sexuality than most people when it comes to waiting for
: marrage.
Did you mean to sound this self-righteous? I'm guessing you didn't,
but that's how it sounds from where I sit.
- matt
Bev
In article <5co1b7$93k$1...@kirin.wwa.com>, Matt Laswell <las...@wwa.com> wrote:
>Sexuality goes way beyond intercourse. We evangelicals tend to lose
>sight of that some times.
One wonders exactly how much of that results from the divorce of God and
erotic spirituality...as above, so below, and all that.
With one or two notable exceptions, I've noticed that the evangelical life
seems to be one very adverse to intimate physical contact outside of highly
limited circumstances. Lethal, that. Positively lethal...
-- beverley. lethal, lethal, lethal.
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feel this fire. -- dan's diary, _microserfs_, douglas coupland -+- -+- -+-
Cheef Dan
Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote:
: With one or two notable exceptions, I've noticed that the evangelical life
: seems to be one very adverse to intimate physical contact outside of highly
: limited circumstances. Lethal, that. Positively lethal...
Hey, I *offered* to bring my massage table to Cornerstone.
--
"There seems, by the way, to be nothing pending in the Christian
Coalition`s political wish list about sheltering the homeless, feeding the
hungry, or clothing the naked, unless, of course, the naked got that way
for fun." - Tom Teepen, Cox News Service
Bev
In article <5cog66$9...@netaxs.com>, Cheef Dan <chee...@netaxs.com> wrote:
>Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote:
>: With one or two notable exceptions, I've noticed that the evangelical life
>: seems to be one very adverse to intimate physical contact outside of highly
>: limited circumstances. Lethal, that. Positively lethal...
>
>Hey, I *offered* to bring my massage table to Cornerstone.
With *two or three* notable exceptions...
ObRMC: Okay, okay, I guess I can see how some people might find White Zombie
a little bit on the offensive side. It all seems to be in good fun, though...
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Jeff Lockwood
let's do be honest... t0m peTtY r00lZ, d00d!!!!
jeff
--
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Frederick Buechner
Ed Rock
On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Joe Kimbler wrote:
> On 26 Jan 1997 16:20:35 GMT, p949...@qub.ac.uk (Tony Bowden) wrote:
>
> >If he's marrying someone he hasn't been involved with sexually then he
> >sounds gay to me ;)
> >
> >Or do you have a different concept of sexuality to most people?
>
> It's called waiting until marrage. It may suprise some people reading
> this to know that there are some people who still believe that casual
> sex is wrong and want to save the most important gift that anyone can
> give their mate for that mate.
Really, there are. Gee, that must be part of why this nearly 36 year old
carries a True Love Waits card in his wallet. You make it sound like this
is novel and you're the first to think of it. I find it neither.
> ...and yes. It would seem that most Christians have a different
> concept of sexuality than most people when it comes to waiting for
> marrage.
That was hardly what Tony was saying. It kinda loses something in the
explanation, but for any kind of sparks to ignite, there is probably some
kind of sexuality going on.
Just because something is going on in the sexuality realm doesn't mean a
couple is sleeping together.
Ed Rock Ed Rocks the Web http://ias.ga.unc.edu/~ecrab Ed Crabtree
"If I had a penny for every stupid person on the net, I could get my car
fixed and then buy a Jag." --Amanda K. Wolf (aka BATWOMAN net.goddess)
John Paulus
Joe Kimbler (jkim...@uslink.net) wrote:
: On 22 Jan 1997 12:47:26 GMT, chee...@netaxs.com (Cheef Dan) wrote:
: >LbrtyFlame (lbrty...@aol.com) wrote:
: >: Has anybody heard the latest on Kevin Max Smith of DC Talk? Last I heard
: >: was that he came out of the closet and wanted fellow Christians to rally
: >: behind him in support of his sexuality. What is the latest on that?
: >
: >It's totally true.
: >Why do you think Jars of Clay doesn't tour with them anymore?
: >Dan Hasseltine got sick of Kevin hitting on him in the tour bus!
: >The band supports him very much.
: >Toby has been quoted as saying, "Thank goodness. We were sick and tired
: >of having to drag his drunken ass out of the leather bars every night.
: The Bible says that we will be persicuted for His sake. Sorry it's
: happening to you Kevin. But it shows that you are right in the center
Is Kevin being persecuted because he's a Christian ("Jesus Freak") or
because he wears pseudo-cool clothes, sideburns and just has an air of
pseudo-coolness about him. (Example of appearance--see RELEASE magazine and
their "fashion" photos of him). KMS almost looks like Elvis in his later
years.
: of God's will. Don't let Satan and these yahoo's get you down with
: these's lies. Bless you for al your work reaching out to teens and
: young adults.
: Kinda makes you sick doesn't it?
: -Joe
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>let's do be honest... t0m peTtY r00lZ, d00d!!!!
Up until, oh, "Don't Come Around Here No More." It's all overplayed radio
junk after that. But the older stuff is keen.
JRjr
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Children growing up, old friends growing older
The innocence slips away..."--Rush, Time Stand Still
Joe Kimbler
On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:34:31 GMT, Ed Rock <ec...@ias.ga.unc.edu>
wrote:
>> ...and yes. It would seem that most Christians have a different
>> concept of sexuality than most people when it comes to waiting for
>> marrage.
>
>That was hardly what Tony was saying. It kinda loses something in the
>explanation, but for any kind of sparks to ignite, there is probably some
>kind of sexuality going on.
Actually, I agreed with him on that part of his message. I thought I
cleared that up somewhere, but you may not have seen it in this mess
of 80-some messages in this thread. As far as "True Love Waits" and
the rest that you said, my message was more onto the sarcastic side.
I know about Josh McDowell and that (contrary to popular belief) there
are still many people who believe in the message of T.L.W.
-Joe
Jeff Lockwood
Jerry B. Ray wrote:
>
> In article <32EFFD...@rhodes.edu>, Jeff Lockwood <LO...@rhodes.edu> wrote:
>
> >let's do be honest... t0m peTtY r00lZ, d00d!!!!
>
> Up until, oh, "Don't Come Around Here No More." It's all overplayed radio
> junk after that. But the older stuff is keen.
>
what about _wildflowers_ though? i don't know that i'd discount that as
overplayed radio junk.
_she's the one_, though... i was disappointed
jeff. big time disappointed
austen's loudmouth dad nick
In <32F112...@rhodes.edu> Jeff Lockwood <LO...@rhodes.edu> writes:
>
>Jerry B. Ray wrote:
>>
>> In article <32EFFD...@rhodes.edu>, Jeff Lockwood
>> <LO...@rhodes.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >let's do be honest... t0m peTtY r00lZ, d00d!!!!
>>
>> Up until, oh, "Don't Come Around Here No More." It's all overplayed
>> radio junk after that. But the older stuff is keen.
>>
>
>what about _wildflowers_ though? i don't know that i'd discount that
>as overplayed radio junk.
>
i love that album.
>_she's the one_, though... i was disappointed
>
>jeff. big time disappointed
me too! when i found out we were going to work on that recording, i was
really excited. but the fact is, tom wrote _every_ one of those songs
in the studio as he went along, which is not always bad, but most of
the songs on _she's the one_ come from hours of jamming and tom doing
whatever he felt like doing. he admitted that there are _few_ really
completed ideas on that album.
he doesn't consider it his 'album' of the year. he felt that because it
was a soundtrack, it didn't have to be in his vein of work; hence, all
the experimental crap... er... stuff. he treated it almost like a side
project. anyway, he's currently working on the real thing.
small piece of trivia: the studio shot in the cd booklet is _sound
city_, studio a. the place is a total dump, but petty's always recorded
some part of an album there.
peace,
NiCk
soulbelly.
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Jerry B. Ray (vap...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote in response to Jeff Lockwood
<LO...@rhodes.edu>:
: >let's do be honest... t0m peTtY r00lZ, d00d!!!!
: Up until, oh, "Don't Come Around Here No More." It's all overplayed radio
: junk after that. But the older stuff is keen.
y'know, the point where i knew that i would respect my undergrad pastor
forever was when he was able to work tom petty's "you don't have to live
like a refugee" into a sermon. and make it work.
chuck. that, and when he rattled off rez band song titles like a true fan
one day in casual conversation.
--
sometimes when you see me, you're going to point and laugh
saying "there goes a man with high ideals
and a burden on his back..." (thanx to dime store prophets.)
cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Jeff Lockwood
austen's loudmouth dad nick wrote:
>
> In <32F112...@rhodes.edu> Jeff Lockwood <LO...@rhodes.edu> writes:
> >
> >Jerry B. Ray wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <32EFFD...@rhodes.edu>, Jeff Lockwood
> >> <LO...@rhodes.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Up until, oh, "Don't Come Around Here No More." It's all overplayed
> >> radio junk after that. But the older stuff is keen.
> >>
> >
> >as overplayed radio junk.
> >
>
> i love that album.
it's a wonderful album. one of my favorites
> >_she's the one_, though... i was disappointed
> >
> >jeff. big time disappointed
>
> me too! when i found out we were going to work on that recording, i was
> really excited. but the fact is, tom wrote _every_ one of those songs
> in the studio as he went along, which is not always bad, but most of
> the songs on _she's the one_ come from hours of jamming and tom doing
> whatever he felt like doing. he admitted that there are _few_ really
> completed ideas on that album.
i do kind of like his cover of beck's 'asshole,' but the rest of it just
doesn't sit well
> he doesn't consider it his 'album' of the year. he felt that because it
> was a soundtrack, it didn't have to be in his vein of work; hence, all
> the experimental crap... er... stuff. he treated it almost like a side
> project. anyway, he's currently working on the real thing.
do you have any idea when the real thing is due to come out?
jeff
LbrtyFlame
Kevin Smith is indeed gay, I also watched the press conference, but noit
on Hard Copy. I saw it on Ztv.
austen's loudmouth dad nick
In <32F222...@rhodes.edu> Jeff Lockwood <LO...@rhodes.edu> writes:
<snip snip snippee>
re: tom petty:
>do you have any idea when the real thing is due to come out?
late this year, or early next.
Matt Laswell
Chuck Pearson (cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us) wrote:
: Jerry B. Ray (vap...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote in response to Jeff Lockwood
: <LO...@rhodes.edu>:
: : >let's do be honest... t0m peTtY r00lZ, d00d!!!!
: : Up until, oh, "Don't Come Around Here No More." It's all overplayed radio
: : junk after that. But the older stuff is keen.
: y'know, the point where i knew that i would respect my undergrad pastor
: forever was when he was able to work tom petty's "you don't have to live
: like a refugee" into a sermon. and make it work.
Yeah, well my undergrad pastor can beat up your undergrad pastor...
He quoted "The Lust, the Flesh, the Eyes and the Pride of Life" in a
sermon *and* did "On the Turning Away" as special music...
Ha!
- matt
Lyle Beidler
>re: tom petty:
>>do you have any idea when the real thing is due to come out?
>late this year, or early next.
Is that a new cd?
LbrtyFlame
I am sorry if I caused you or anybody else any problems. I LbrtyFlame and
KRichards1 am sisncerely sorry for spreading the rumors about Kevin Max
Smith. I have nothing against Kevin Max Smith and I think that DC Talk
and many other fine Christian bands are doing a wonderful job of spreading
God's word to many people around the United States and around the world.
It was a silly joke that I took too far. I am sincerely sorry that I took
it too far and spread the rumors. I never meant for any REAL problem.
Kevin Smith is NOT gay nor has he ever been to my knowledge. I was
childish in my pranks and again I appologize. I didn't know that this
matter would have been discussed so much. And to anyone who took me
seriously, I appologize. And to anyone that I did not act in a
Christianlike manner to, I appologize. My actions were unnecessary and
excessive. Again, I appologize. God bless.
~Liberty Flame~
austen's loudmouth dad nick
In <19970202074...@ladder01.news.aol.com> lbrty...@aol.com
(LbrtyFlame) writes:
>
>I am sorry if I caused you or anybody else any problems. I LbrtyFlame
>and KRichards1
hmm. you speak for the both of you? very interesting.
<big time drivel snippage)
maybe it's just me, but i doubt he would have made his rambling
kiss-ass 'apology' if he wasn't reported to aol and dct's management
company.
peace,
NiCk
soulbelly.
url coming soon!!
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here is my other handle | and your supper
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Matt Laswell (las...@wwa.com) wrote in response to me:
: : y'know, the point where i knew that i would respect my undergrad pastor
: : forever was when he was able to work tom petty's "you don't have to live
: : like a refugee" into a sermon. and make it work.
: Yeah, well my undergrad pastor can beat up your undergrad pastor...
oh yeah? OH YEAH?
: He quoted "The Lust, the Flesh, the Eyes and the Pride of Life" in a
: sermon *and* did "On the Turning Away" as special music...
okay, okay. but what was the mean age of *your* undergrad church?
mine was something upwards of forty...8-)
chuck. take THAT.
snail
s.b...@ix.netcom.com(austen's loudmouth dad nick) writes:
>In <19970202074...@ladder01.news.aol.com> lbrty...@aol.com
>(LbrtyFlame) writes:
>>I am sorry if I caused you or anybody else any problems. I LbrtyFlame
>>and KRichards1
>hmm. you speak for the both of you? very interesting.
Hardly surprising.
><big time drivel snippage)
...of someone who doesn't have a clue about usenet.
>maybe it's just me, but i doubt he would have made his rambling
>kiss-ass 'apology' if he wasn't reported to aol and dct's management
>company.
Well, they didn't seemed particularly phased after the first email I
sent and the second was rewarded with the apology they've posted many
times here. The account is no longer valid either.
Whatever the reason, the episode seems at an end now.
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I'm a man of my word. In the end, that's all there is. - Avon
http://melvin.silas.unsw.edu.au/~s-snail/
Don Waugaman
In article <5d1ij5$d...@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>,
austen's loudmouth dad nick <s.b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In <19970202074...@ladder01.news.aol.com> lbrty...@aol.com
>(LbrtyFlame) writes:
>>
>>I am sorry if I caused you or anybody else any problems. I LbrtyFlame
>>and KRichards1
>
>hmm. you speak for the both of you? very interesting.
AOL allows its (l)users to have up to five different "screen names."
Basically, it allows you to look like a bunch of different people.
><big time drivel snippage)
>
>maybe it's just me, but i doubt he would have made his rambling
>kiss-ass 'apology' if he wasn't reported to aol and dct's management
>company.
I tend to agree, especially considering the number of times he repeated
his slanderous lies. He was taking it a heck of a lot farther than a
mere "prank." If he had posted once and then stopped, I might have
considered that to be a prank - but going on and on with the same thing
until he was ordered to cease and desist, likely on pain of removal of
service and legal action.....
Unfortunately, he can't undo what he's done, only apologize for it.
I hope his reply is a tad more sincere than his allegations, but time
will tell.
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Good and evil both increase at compound interest. That is why the little
decisions you and I make every day are of such infinite importance.
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Burt and Linda Campbell
"Confess your faults one to another, that you may be healed."
-- James
Matt Laswell
Chuck Pearson (cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us) wrote:
: Matt Laswell (las...@wwa.com) wrote in response to me:
: : : y'know, the point where i knew that i would respect my undergrad pastor
: : : forever was when he was able to work tom petty's "you don't have to live
: : : like a refugee" into a sermon. and make it work.
: : Yeah, well my undergrad pastor can beat up your undergrad pastor...
: oh yeah? OH YEAH?
: : He quoted "The Lust, the Flesh, the Eyes and the Pride of Life" in a
: : sermon *and* did "On the Turning Away" as special music...
: okay, okay. but what was the mean age of *your* undergrad church?
: mine was something upwards of forty...8-)
And you think this is a selling point why?
- matt
Dcmxpx
Well, I'm truly disappointed at the person who started this lie. I'm even
more disappointed if this individual is someone who considers himself a
Christian. I have so many things I want to say right now, but I have to
keep myself from saying it right now. I need to find the right words to
express how appalled I am by this gross display of a "silly joke" on an
individual.
Okay, I have to calm myself down. All I can say is...the person who
started this rumor should have thought about the damage that could have
been done by this kind of rumor. Look, any true fans of dc Talk and
anyone who knows dc Talk would not believe this. They would know offhand
that it was a ridiculous lie. Those who hate dc Talk or want to find
filth on dc Talk, they would believe this ridiculous lie. But whoever
started this rumor has so little heart. How can the person be so cold?
Kevin didn't deserve this...no one deserves this.
The last thing I want to say right now is, we are standing before God in
all His holiness. Whoever started this rumor can justify his actions by
stating that it was a "silly joke" and maybe try to undo some of the
damage by giving a flimsy apology. All I hope is that this individual
really means his apology and hasn't created the apology to please those
who were infuriated by this outright lie. Realize the damage, bring it to
God and hopefully all of these lies can be left behind.
In Christ alone,
Phoebe
Sokheaven
an interesting note - Lbrtyflames recanting comes a few days after i
visited Toby and informed him of the postings. he in turn called mike who
i believe called jerry falwell - well, at least it is cleared up and
hopefully won't happen again. btw they are currently working on the
soundtrack portion of their next long form video which will include live
footage from the jesus freak tour - and before the brouhaha starts, when
colored people is released it too will probably be sans bridge because of
time limits. they are currently looking for a producer for the colored
people video.
linda
Yoda
"Judge not least ye be judged." Thought I'd keep it simple for the stupid
people who actually think that Kevin is actually a homosexual.
Burt and Linda Campbell <burtan...@centuryinter.net> wrote in article
<32F62D...@centuryinter.net>...
Chuck Pearson
Matt Laswell (las...@wwa.com) and i are goin' back and forth like so...
: : : Yeah, well my undergrad pastor can beat up your undergrad pastor...
[...]
: : : He quoted "The Lust, the Flesh, the Eyes and the Pride of Life" in a
: : : sermon *and* did "On the Turning Away" as special music...
: : okay, okay. but what was the mean age of *your* undergrad church?
: : mine was something upwards of forty...8-)
: And you think this is a selling point why?
no. not that it's a selling point in and of itself.
that this twenty-something pastor was able to not only relate to this
congregation, but he was successfully able to be who he was and get this
congregation to relate to *him* as well.
*that* is why my undergrad pastor is cooler than yours, matt. 8-)
chuck