Christian Star Wars Fans (& other Sci Fi)
Skaught77
world of science fiction....C.S. Lewis has done it and so has Steven
Lawhead, and you can't forget a few way-out-there books by Roger Elwood
(makes Frank Peretti look like a childrens book writer).
I'm a huge sci-fi dork and a Christian...Star Wars is my main
cup-o-tea...and I dig Star Trek but you won't catch me dead wearing a S.T.
t-shirt.
Anyway, I don't know what point I'm trying to make, but the humanistic
world of sci-fi needs a good swift kick in the butt and I think Christians
are just the ones to do it (In a loving manner, of course).
Anyone see the BLATANT pro-life episode of Star Trek, TNG??? I don't think
it was done on purpose, but there was a planet of geneticly perfect humans
who terminated any impending life if it did not meet their standards of
perfection...well, they had an asteroid heading right at their planet, so
Geordi (blind guy) figured out how to move the thing by incorporating a
technology his visor used...the woman from the planet who was helping him
had all sorts of trouble dealing with it...Geordi figured out that it was
because a blind man saved them, and if he was conceived on their planet,
he wouldn't have been allowed to be born, and he basically asked them "who
are you to decide what life is worthwhile and what is not?" Kinda cool,
I thought. Anyway...........
Just felt like yappin' about meaningless nonsense....
SKAUGHT
Chris Kalmbacher
Skaught77 <skau...@aol.com> wrote:
>I think it's time Christians started making some contributions to the
>world of science fiction....C.S. Lewis has done it and so has Steven
>Lawhead, and you can't forget a few way-out-there books by Roger Elwood
>(makes Frank Peretti look like a childrens book writer).
YES! Although Peretti does not really impress me a lot.
>I'm a huge sci-fi dork and a Christian...Star Wars is my main
>cup-o-tea...and I dig Star Trek but you won't catch me dead wearing a S.T.
>t-shirt.
Star Wars Rules! I am the biggest SW fan that exists. I have been
looking for a book which uses SW as an analogy to Christianity...I think
it was published late 70s/early 80s, and it is called _The Force of Star
Wars_, by ???????. Anyway, I just can't find it anywhere! Ever seen
it? Anybody? I want it! Apparently, the author uses SW as a way to
communicate the gospel story, redemption, sacrifice, etc.
>Anyway, I don't know what point I'm trying to make, but the humanistic
>world of sci-fi needs a good swift kick in the butt and I think Christians
>are just the ones to do it (In a loving manner, of course).
We need some good Christian SF. I love the Lewis stuff, as it is not
always blatant, and it is good. I could hand Lewis' Space trilogy to
almost anyone and not be accused of blatant prosyletizing (sp?).
>Anyone see the BLATANT pro-life episode of Star Trek, TNG??? I don't think
>it was done on purpose, but there was a planet of geneticly perfect humans
>who terminated any impending life if it did not meet their standards of
>perfection...well, they had an asteroid heading right at their planet, so
>Geordi (blind guy) figured out how to move the thing by incorporating a
>technology his visor used...the woman from the planet who was helping him
>had all sorts of trouble dealing with it...Geordi figured out that it was
>because a blind man saved them, and if he was conceived on their planet,
>he wouldn't have been allowed to be born, and he basically asked them "who
>are you to decide what life is worthwhile and what is not?" Kinda cool,
>I thought. Anyway...........
Hmmm.....been a while. I watch the show, but like yourself, I am not a
diehard trekkie. Sounds familiar though, but I cannot picture that
episode. Generally though, ST seems to come down on the other side of
the moral fence than I do on a lot of issues, particularly sexuality. I
forget the episode names, but I have seen lots of times where differing
sexuality is simply presented as just different. I have thought the ST
writers are a bit of cowards though, as the issue of sexuality is almost
always directed at a foreign race, and not *within* the crew, as far as
I noticed. I just don't remember any "gay" or "lesbian" crew members on
the Enterprise. Maybe I just blocked it out. I am curious as to what
they envision the future of Earth-based sexuality will be.
\> >Just felt like yappin' about meaningless nonsense....
That's ok.....there are lots of non-music things going on here, but I am
awaiting the flames.
Chris
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ISAO BERED
hmmm... science fiction movies...
... star wars okay... half of the treks are passable...
... _total recall_ on my list of favorites
... really like _blade runner_ ... hmmm... make that really, really,
really...
... but _dune_ tops my list with no close second...
abundant peace and love!
hmmmm... almost forgot one... _barbarella_... ;-)
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Jeremy P. Kane
skau...@aol.com (Skaught77) wrote:
>I think it's time Christians started making some contributions to the
>world of science fiction....C.S. Lewis has done it and so has Steven
>Lawhead, and you can't forget a few way-out-there books by Roger Elwood
>(makes Frank Peretti look like a childrens book writer).
I agree that Frank Peretti is not the best author in the world, however...
Isn't Roger Elwood the author of "Dwellers?" I started to read that book, and
but had to stop, it was so bad. I actually gained in appreciation for Peretti
at that point. Please tell me Elwood is normally better than he was when he
wrote "Dwellers."
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Beverley
Will McDonald <wmc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I realize that this has nothing to do with the original post, but I
>laughed when I saw the header "Christian Star Wars . . ." Maybe
>Peretti could write a screenplay . . .
*screeee* You frighten me. If the screenplay were as poorly researched
as _This Present Darkness_.... yeeeeeEEEEEeeee!
>The Evil Emperor (Madalyn Murray O'Hair) : "Join us Luke!"
> "Join the dark side . . ."
>
>Luke Christian: "Help me Pat Robertson!"
>
>Pat Robertson (Face clenched in prayer on the 700 Club)
>
> "I have a word for someone
> out there . . ."
>
> "Use the Spirit Luke!"
Oh....dear, oh, DEAR.
If this makes Madalyn Murray O'Hair someone's father, I'm REALLY
concerned about Peretti's research skills. :)
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Chris Kalmbacher
Asa Wong <ace...@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> wrote:
>Chris Kalmbacher (chr...@strauss.udel.edu) wrote:
>: Star Wars Rules! I am the biggest SW fan that exists. I have been
>: it was published late 70s/early 80s, and it is called _The Force of Star
>: Wars_, by ???????. Anyway, I just can't find it anywhere! Ever seen
>: it? Anybody? I want it! Apparently, the author uses SW as a way to
>: communicate the gospel story, redemption, sacrifice, etc.
>
>Winkie Pratney (pub. Bible Voice, Inc. P.O. Box 7491 Van Nuys, CA 91409,
>copyright 1978). Sorta neat, but the Force seems sort of Hinduistic to me.
That book may exist as well, but the book I am looking for was not by
Winkie, and it definitely was NOT anything to do with Star Trek, which is
generally lame, albeit somewhat entertaining.
The book I am / have been looking for is _The Force of Star Wars_ by
????? (not Winkie). It deals exclusively with Star Wars and it's
Christian analogy. I read a review of it in a Star Wars fanzine a few
years ago, and thus I have forgotten the author, but I am sure I have it
buried somewhere in a stack of SW stuff in my closet.
The fanzine said it was amust for the completist SW collector, mainly
because it came out so early, and it is one of the few books to "get
into" the mids and motivations of the Star Wars characters. For example,
I recall that Han Solo is described as a Peter character, because he
seemingly betrays Christ (Ben Kenobi) but returns when he is needed
(battle at Death Star). Ok.....don't send the flames. I know if you do
not have an appreciation for the best movie of all time these analogies
may be making you sick or causing insane laughter right now, but someday
you will find out what God'd favorite flick is - I already know it is
Star Wars. The fanzine did say it was blatantly apparent that the book
_TFOSW_ was definitely designed as a tool to convert others, and seeing
as how the fanzine was not "Christian" per se, they found this humorous.
I may too, when I finally read it if it is cheesey, but I reserve
judgement until then - it may be good, and I do intend to get it.
But what's this about Winkie? Since when is he an Sci-Fi expert?
On a related note, at this past Cornerstone 95 festival, they had a
section devoted to a Christian exploration of Fantasy and Sci-Fi with
lots of speakers, exhibits, movies, etc. It was great! Although they
did not show Star Wars :(
Ok...I admit it; I have a Star Wars addiction. But I will point out God is
#1, not Star Wars.
Have Fun!
Asa Wong
: Star Wars Rules! I am the biggest SW fan that exists. I have been
: looking for a book which uses SW as an analogy to Christianity...I think
: it was published late 70s/early 80s, and it is called _The Force of Star
: Wars_, by ???????. Anyway, I just can't find it anywhere! Ever seen
: it? Anybody? I want it! Apparently, the author uses SW as a way to
: communicate the gospel story, redemption, sacrifice, etc.
It's called _Star Wars Star Trek_ and the 21st Century Christians by
Winkie Pratney (pub. Bible Voice, Inc. P.O. Box 7491 Van Nuys, CA 91409,
copyright 1978). Sorta neat, but the Force seems sort of Hinduistic to me.
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ISAO BERED
hmmmmm... star wars, star wars, star wars... (sigh)
... christian analogy of the force...
... quite compelled to remind that unlike "the force", there is no "dark
side" of god...
hmmmmm... and so caught up in a movie whose main prop looks suspiciously
like the at&t logo... hmmmm... ;-)
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hmmmmm... roger elwood... quite imaginative... wouldn't call him one of
my favorite writers, though...
... _angelwalk_ and the like were quite interesting... his stuff falls
more into fantasy than science fiction...
abundant peace and love!
... and now back to my friday morning dancing... ~~~ oooooooooohhhhh!
love ta love ya baby ~~~... still wish i could do "the beagle"
z_mcp...@titan.sfasu.edu
AngelWalk
Fallen Angel
Steadfast
All three are great books in his AngelWalk trilogy he also released a new one
out called Darrien F.Y.I
Rob Schwartz
> I think it's time Christians started making some contributions to the
> world of science fiction....C.S. Lewis has done it and so has Steven
> Lawhead, and you can't forget a few way-out-there books by Roger Elwood
> (makes Frank Peretti look like a childrens book writer).
I'm not familiar w/ lawhead- more info??
>
> I'm a huge sci-fi dork and a Christian...Star Wars is my main
> cup-o-tea...and I dig Star Trek but you won't catch me dead wearing a S.T.
> t-shirt.
Amen.
>
> Anyway, I don't know what point I'm trying to make, but the humanistic
> world of sci-fi needs a good swift kick in the butt and I think Christians
> are just the ones to do it (In a loving manner, of course).
>
Yeah, As a christian, I have some probs w/ the humanism of most Sci-Fi,
but I dig the stuff. It just sometimes comes out so hardcore that it bugs
me. i.e.- the last X-files, Moulder talks about the 4th commandment,
(sabbath) where God rested, but didn't mention his side project, the rest
of the universe- scully asks what He's talking about, and Moulder replies
"the Biggest lie of them all."
It just struck me funny, almost a Freudian thing about first discussing
God and then refering to the Biggest Lie Of them all. I'm not saying that
they meant anything of it, but The whole world of Sci-fi always rests on
the assumption that Science is God, not God. But I dig the stuff. I guess
that most of us computer geeks are also Sci-Fi dorks and Monty Python
Junkies. At least I am. I've always wondered about those connections.
>
> Just felt like yappin' about meaningless nonsense....
>
> SKAUGHT
Right there with ya... Sorry to r.m.c. for posting this here, since
there's no music content, but there isn't yet a
rec.sci.fi.dorks.who.love.jc newsgroup yet. And besides, all these shows
and movies have theme songs and soundtracks, and god created the people
who wrote those songs, which is a christian viewpoint (god the creator)
and so in a sort of bent-up, twisted,under the table kind of way it does
belong here... technically.
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Peter Jones
>In article <43s25i$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, skau...@aol.com
>(Skaught77) wrote:
>> I think it's time Christians started making some contributions to the
>> world of science fiction....C.S. Lewis has done it and so has Steven
>> Lawhead, and you can't forget a few way-out-there books by Roger Elwood
>> (makes Frank Peretti look like a childrens book writer).
>I'm not familiar w/ lawhead- more info??
His major SF books are _Dream Theif_ (dream manipulation, orbital space
station, *SPOILER DELETED*), and the Empyrion Saga: _The Search for
Fierra_ and _The Siege of Dome_ (set on another planet)-- all of which
are excellent books. He also has 3 fantasy/arthurian-legend series:
The Dragon King Trilogy (3bks), The Pendragon Cycle (4bks), and Song of
Albion (3bks).
(Oh, and he and his wife have done a/some children's book(s)...)
I think, but am not sure any more, that someone has made a tape/series
of tapes of music inspired by the Song of Albion....
(No, me like Lawhead? Never... =)
Check out <A HREF=http://rhf.bradley.edu/~petercj/books.html>Peter C.
Jones's Book List</A> for some of the books that I've read and loved or
that I've read others in the series and want to read.
>> I'm a huge sci-fi dork and a Christian...Star Wars is my main
>> cup-o-tea...and I dig Star Trek but you won't catch me dead wearing a S.T.
>> t-shirt.
Well, probably the only reason I don't wear a S.T. shirt is that I cannot
afford one... =) But I'm definitely into Sci-Fi (a look at my
<A HREF=http://rhf.bradley.edu/~petercj/>Homepage</A> will show you
that...)
Hmm... I just remembered another couple of books, not on my books
page... I think they're geared to younger SF readers, but am not
sure--They're good enough to read, anyway. I don't even remember their
names, or the author, but they have a very SW feel to them... I'll
have to find out from home what they are. E-mail me if you're
interested... (or watch my books page for additions).
>> Anyway, I don't know what point I'm trying to make, but the humanistic
>> world of sci-fi needs a good swift kick in the butt and I think Christians
>> are just the ones to do it (In a loving manner, of course).
>Yeah, As a christian, I have some probs w/ the humanism of most Sci-Fi,
Yep, I too like SF, but hate the extreme humanistic bent...
> But I dig the stuff. I guess
>that most of us computer geeks are also Sci-Fi dorks and Monty Python
>Junkies. At least I am. I've always wondered about those connections.
Not much of a MP junkie, but the SF, yep.
>Right there with ya... Sorry to r.m.c. for posting this here, since
>there's no music content, but there isn't yet a
>rec.sci.fi.dorks.who.love.jc newsgroup yet.
CFD for rec.sf.christian (less humorous, but fits better in the hierarchy)?
Nahhh...
>so in a sort of bent-up, twisted,under the table kind of way it does
>belong here... technically.
Well... almost.
To make it apply more, you can also check out my
<A HREF=http://rhf.bradley.edu/~petercj/music.html>Meager Music
Collection</A>, which contains my pitifully small (TM) collection of tapes
and cd's.
Also, check out my
<A HREF=http://rhf.bradley.edu/~petercj/bkmk.html#music>Hotlist music
section</A> with some links to Christian music sites...
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I've got no concessions that I'm willing to give / petercj@camelot.
Strong convictions that are worth living by / bradley.edu
Strong convictions 'til the day I die" --Petra, "Strong Convictions"
Matthew L. Martin
skau...@aol.com (Skaught77) writes:
> I think it's time Christians started making some contributions to the
> world of science fiction....C.S. Lewis has done it and so has Steven
> Lawhead, and you can't forget a few way-out-there books by Roger Elwood
> (makes Frank Peretti look like a childrens book writer).
I am a big fan of Lewis (though I like Tolkien even better). Lawhead
is good, but his fantasy is far and away better than his science
fiction. I've never read Elwood, but I will admit a general
indifference towards Peretti.
If you're willing to include fantasy in this list, what about Charles
Williams? I've never read him (blast this college library! :-), but
I've heard good things about him. Besides, he was an Inkling, which is
a point in his favor. ;-)
> I'm a huge sci-fi dork and a Christian...Star Wars is my main
> cup-o-tea...
Let me put it this way...The Trilogy is my favorite movie of all time
(it really is one movie...ANH may stand alone, but you can't watch ESB
without ROTJ), and I own most of the new Star Wars novels (yes, even
Kevin Anderson's work and _The Crystal Star_.)
>and I dig Star Trek but you won't catch me dead wearing a S.T.
> t-shirt.
I am a semi-Trekker...only own one book, and I catch it as often as I
can (esp. DS9).
> Anyway, I don't know what point I'm trying to make, but the humanistic
> world of sci-fi needs a good swift kick in the butt and I think Christians
> are just the ones to do it (In a loving manner, of course).
My plans for life are to become a fantasy or science-fiction
novelist, and I intend to include my Christian worldview in my work.
(Hopefully I won't be too didactic about it.)
> Anyone see the BLATANT pro-life episode of Star Trek, TNG??? I don't think
> it was done on purpose, but there was a planet of geneticly perfect humans
> who terminated any impending life if it did not meet their standards of
> perfection...well, they had an asteroid heading right at their planet, so
> Geordi (blind guy) figured out how to move the thing by incorporating a
> technology his visor used...the woman from the planet who was helping him
> had all sorts of trouble dealing with it...Geordi figured out that it was
> because a blind man saved them, and if he was conceived on their planet,
> he wouldn't have been allowed to be born, and he basically asked them "who
> are you to decide what life is worthwhile and what is not?" Kinda cool,
> I thought. Anyway...........
"The Masterpiece Society", a third or fourth-season episode. I came
up with the same conclusion. However, on the other side of the
argument, you've got to consider ST:TNG "Who Watches the Watchers?"
which featured a blatantly anti-religious speech by Troi at the climax;
STV (NO! NOT THAT!); and "In Thy Image", Roddenberry's first draft for
the first ST film, which had a climax painting Jesus as a manifestation
of a malevolent extraterrestrial. (Read William Shatner's _Star Trek
Movie Memories_ for more detail.)
> Just felt like yappin' about meaningless nonsense....
Don't worry about it.
> SKAUGHT
Matthew L. Martin, mma...@roch-ltc2.ro.cc.mn.us
David Johnson
Kalmbacher) wrote:
[stuff]
>
>Star Wars Rules! I am the biggest SW fan that exists. I have been
>looking for a book which uses SW as an analogy to Christianity...I think
>it was published late 70s/early 80s, and it is called _The Force of Star
>Wars_, by ???????. Anyway, I just can't find it anywhere! Ever seen
>it? Anybody? I want it! Apparently, the author uses SW as a way to
>communicate the gospel story, redemption, sacrifice, etc.
[stuff]
An analogy would be great, but it would seem "The Force" is a new age concept.
The "God" is a collection of "humanoid" thoughts/wills.
dj
DGMJ Watson
though they spell his name wrong (probably for copyright reasons), the
song is about Darth Vader's redemption at the end of ROTJ.
Here's the lyrics:
All of you,
Part of me,
Hidden from view.
Another world,
Kept from me,
Kept from you.
(Chorus)
But something's different,
Now you've found your heart again,
So this is heaven Annakin
Treacherous,
Evil hand
You kept on us.
Breathing deep
Through Steel
And misplaced trust.
(Chorus)
How ya feelin',
Are ya feelin' okay Annakin?
How ya feelin'
Now that you're in heaven Annakin?
Pretty cool, eh? If only more Christian bands would see the deep
spiritual truths revealed in this epic story. (I say this, of course,
with some degree of facetiousness.)
And as far as Christian Star Wars fans goes, I'm in a Bible study right
now with more Star Wars fans than any other Bible study I've ever been
in. I love it! We get into a discussion about Star Wars almost every
week!
Markus Watson
P.S. By the way, I like Star Trek, too, but nothing compares with Star
Wars!
DGMJ Watson
>Star Wars Rules! I am the biggest SW fan that exists.
I beg to differ. That would be ME!!!!!
Jonathan A. Watson
DGMJ Watson
L. Martin) writes:
>
>In article <43s25i$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
>skau...@aol.com (Skaught77) writes:
>
>> I think it's time Christians started making some contributions to
the
>> world of science fiction....C.S. Lewis has done it and so has Steven
>> Lawhead, and you can't forget a few way-out-there books by Roger
Elwood
>> (makes Frank Peretti look like a childrens book writer).
>
> I am a big fan of Lewis (though I like Tolkien even better). Lawhead
>is good, but his fantasy is far and away better than his science
>fiction. I've never read Elwood, but I will admit a general
>indifference towards Peretti.
> If you're willing to include fantasy in this list, what about
Charles
>Williams? I've never read him (blast this college library! :-), but
>I've heard good things about him. Besides, he was an Inkling, which
is
>a point in his favor. ;-)
Wow. Someone else who knows about the Inklings. Weird, wild stuff
babycakes...
Jonathan A. Watson
Kevin Groves
you'd be right about the force and all but hey, its just a harmless
movie...if I believed in the force, I'd have to believe that tiny
X-shaped ships were hovering around earth, fighting off star destroyers..
you see, I'm a big fan of SW too but I wouldn't go as far as comparing it
to Christianity!!!
-=MariO=-
kgr...@greenapple.com
Jason Burton
Well...Star Wars has so many great moral truths in it... it could
possibly be construed as religious...It is definately Spiritual...
But in what way? It is based on more of an Eastern Philosophy, or New
Age if you will... Yet it contains elements of Christianity as well...
I've heard Yoda refered to as Yoda of Nazareth...pretty funny, but also
somewhat acurate...
Unfortunately, I beg to differ with those who say they are the biggest
SW fans out there...Remember that Fan is drawn from Fanatic...On AOL,
there is a discussion group in the RELIGIONS area that truly believes
in the FORCE and that they can use it...and they are not making jokes
about opening doors at supermarkets with the Force either...It's down
right scary...They are the biggest Fans...Or Freaks...I Dunno.
All in all, SW is about the redemption Of Anakin Skywalker/Darth
Vader...It speaks of our own sinful nature and how easy it is to give
in to it...but also of how we can all be redeemed...Not through the
love of a son, but through the Love of OUR Father...SW should be the
Bible for Atheists...If they won't accept God, they could at least be
nicer about it.. <G>
Also, SW is coming back in a couple Years...Won't it be great to go to
a movie and not have to hear all the swearing, see all the sex, see all
the voilence...and be blown away once again to a Galaxy far Far
away....God gave us imagination...let's use it..
Also, what does this have to do with music?
I love the soundtrack and all....but hey...
Dack <---the martyr of Empire Strikes Back...Yep that's me
Philip Sells
da...@ix.netcom.com (Jason Burton ) writes:
>there is a discussion group in the RELIGIONS area that truly believes
>in the FORCE and that they can use it...and they are not making jokes
>about opening doors at supermarkets with the Force either...It's down
>right scary...They are the biggest Fans...Or Freaks...I Dunno.
I used to believe in it in some sort of half-baked way when I was still a kid;
that was back in 3rd grade or so, though. I recall finding myself underneath
that giant medicine ball at one point in gym.. Hm. Just reminiscing :)
>Also, what does this have to do with music?
>I love the soundtrack and all....but hey...
The soundtrack was one of the few LPs I ever possessed, one of the last as I
recall. Played it to death, until it was lost :)
>Dack <---the martyr of Empire Strikes Back...Yep that's me
:)
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Todd Brown
: ... really like _blade runner_ ... hmmm... make that really, really,
: really...
Amen! Preach it! Still haven't seen the director's cut though ... sigh.
: ... but _dune_ tops my list with no close second...
The books are great... the movie ... ick. Although I have heard that
there is a longer version which is much better...
Todd.
: hmmmm... almost forgot one... _barbarella_... ;-)
Make that two. Plan Nine From Outer Space. The day / night shifts are
dizzying. It's hilarious.
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unnecessarily frightened.
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Todd Brown
: >In article <43s25i$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
: >skau...@aol.com (Skaught77) writes:
Peretti was a children's book writer. It shows. Badly.
: >
: > I am a big fan of Lewis (though I like Tolkien even better). Lawhead
: >is good, but his fantasy is far and away better than his science
: >fiction. I've never read Elwood, but I will admit a general
: >indifference towards Peretti.
: > If you're willing to include fantasy in this list, what about
: Charles
: >Williams? I've never read him (blast this college library! :-), but
: >I've heard good things about him. Besides, he was an Inkling, which
: is
: >a point in his favor. ;-)
Williams kicks heiney. This man is incredible ... takes a bit of mental
gymnastics to wrap your head around what he's doing sometimes, but it's
always worth it. He's also written some theology, poetry, and I believe
a few plays. Read this man ... start with Descent into Hell ...
Todd.
Matt Malone
> Anyone see the BLATANT pro-life episode of Star Trek, TNG??? I don't think
Yeah. Good episode.
> had all sorts of trouble dealing with it...Geordi figured out that it was
> because a blind man saved them, and if he was conceived on their planet,
> he wouldn't have been allowed to be born, and he basically asked them "who
> are you to decide what life is worthwhile and what is not?" Kinda cool,
But then again, you have the really blatant pro-homosexuality episode.
Remember that one? There's this race of neuters. No males, no females;
they're all just in between. Well, this one member of the species has
female tendencies, and so her government wants to perform some procedure
on her to rid her of any female feelings. Of course she falls in love
with Will Riker, and he wants to save her from this fate. And there are
a lot of catch-phrases along the way; "accept her as she is" and such.
It was a pretty thinly veiled plot.
Matt
DGMJ Watson
>Dack <---the martyr of Empire Strikes Back...Yep that's me
"Right now I feel like I could take on the whole Empire myself!"
Right?
Markus Watson
DGMJ Watson
<kgr...@greenapple.com> writes:
>
>Well, I'm not one to compare Christianity to any hit movie but I'd say
>you'd be right about the force and all but hey, its just a harmless
>movie...if I believed in the force, I'd have to believe that tiny
>X-shaped ships were hovering around earth, fighting off star
destroyers..
I've heard that Francis Ford Coppola suggested to George Lucas that
they start a religion based on the Force. George replied (and I
paraphrase): "Are you kidding?! It's only a movie!"
Markus Watson
Ed Rock
> ISAO BERED (isao...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> : ... really like _blade runner_ ... hmmm... make that really, really,
> : really...
>
> Amen! Preach it! Still haven't seen the director's cut though ... sigh.
The orginal is much better, imho. I liked having a narrator. It gave it
a kind of retro feel.
Ed Rock | "Is it the winter of our discontent
aka Ed Crabtree | or just an early frost?"
ercr...@email.unc.edu | --Kevin Gilbert
Ed Rocks the Web http://ecsvax.uncecs.edu/~ecrab/
Scott Will
could probably handle our own newsgroup, looks like.
The book, "The Force of Star Wars", is hard to get...I have a magazine
called Star Wars Generation (kinda an underground wacky thing) that has a
review of the book, including their own renditions of the characters as
the book interprets them (i.e. Ben Kenobi as Jesus, Darth as Anitchrist,
etc.)
I'll send anyone a copy of it with a S.A.S.E.--> mail to Scott Will, HSN,
PO Box 9090, Clearwater, FL 34618.
Steven Lawhead: He has these books out: (FANTASY)
Dragon King Trilogy: In the Hall of the
Dragon King
Warlords
of Nin
Sword and
the Flame
Pendragon Cycle: Talesin (spelling???)
Merlin
Arthur
Pendragon
Song of Albion: uh, forgot #1
(these rocked)
Silver
Hand
Endless
Knott
(Sci Fi) Empyrion Saga: ???
Siege of
the Dome
Dream Thief (with the Christian
Martian)
All his fantasy books are available in Christian & Secular stores (buy
them at the secular stores!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Well....on with the monster...........
SKAUGHT
Chris Kalmbacher
Scott Will <NTL...@prodigy.com> wrote:
>WOW!!! Looks like I created a monster (I posted the first post)....we
>could probably handle our own newsgroup, looks like.
>The book, "The Force of Star Wars", is hard to get...I have a magazine
>called Star Wars Generation (kinda an underground wacky thing) that has a
>review of the book, including their own renditions of the characters as
>the book interprets them (i.e. Ben Kenobi as Jesus, Darth as Anitchrist,
>etc.)
YES!!!
This is the book I have been searching for! I read the review of it in
that same funky fanzine, SW Generation, and loved it. Tis a shame that
the publishers went under - some kinda thing with Lucas I am told.
However, the original editor of SWG is now some kinds editor for another
official SW mag, which I forget the name of (sorry - I read a lot of SW
stuff - it all gets mixed up inside).
On a non-related note, I noticed someone mentioned they read the Kevin
Anderson novels. All I can say is you have a stronger stomach than I
do. I made it through the first two (only because of my affection for
the SW characters) and then had to say goodbye to Mr. Anderson. His
writing is too sub-par to even critique. I was dissapointed they
(lucas-people) are giving him so much leway to alter my familiar friends,
and they have given him just too many books. The crap just keeps
churning out! Oh the humanity.
Hmmmm....I suppose this group should discuss music, so......
Anybody got a copy of The Dell Griffiths they want to sell? I really
want to hear the Annakin song. (Funny but true)
Chip Howard
: That book may exist as well, but the book I am looking for was not by
: generally lame, albeit somewhat entertaining.
Excuse me?... Star Trek lame?
I hope you are planning to back that little old statement up with some
fistage... becomes I'm calling you out to the playground... after
school... then we'll decide whether Star Trek is lame or not... BE THERE!
;)
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Chip Howard
: The fanzine said it was amust for the completist SW collector, mainly
: because it came out so early, and it is one of the few books to "get
: into" the mids and motivations of the Star Wars characters. For example,
: I recall that Han Solo is described as a Peter character, because he
: seemingly betrays Christ (Ben Kenobi) but returns when he is needed
: (battle at Death Star).
OK... but how is Ben Kenobi the Christ figure? How does Solo betray him?
I can see how Kenobi could be considered the Christ figure because he was
willing to give his life to save others... but I think the analogy really
ends there. Also... I'd consider Solo more of a doubting Thomas than a
Peter.
: Ok.....don't send the flames. I know if you do
: not have an appreciation for the best movie of all time these analogies
: may be making you sick or causing insane laughter right now, but someday
: you will find out what God'd favorite flick is - I already know it is
: Star Wars.
*smile* Maybe... it was a good trilogy. Still, I think it'd be a heck
of a lot easier to compare Star Wars to eastern religions, new age, or
spiritualism than to compare it christianity... maybe that's just me though.
This still doesn't make the serious great flicks (perhaps the best... much
better than any Star Trek movie I must confess)... and it doesn't make me not
want to scream in anticipation of the new movies that Lucas said would be out
by the turn of the millenium.
-Chip
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Any and all typo's that may occur in my
posts are a direct result of S A T A N
attacking me through my computer and
should be treated as such.
-Chip cho...@salus.med.uvm.edu
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Chris Kalmbacher
Chip Howard <cho...@med.uvm.edu> wrote:
>Chris Kalmbacher (chr...@strauss.udel.edu) wrote:
>: That book may exist as well, but the book I am looking for was not by
>: Winkie, and it definitely was NOT anything to do with Star Trek, which is
>: generally lame, albeit somewhat entertaining.
>
>Excuse me?... Star Trek lame?
>I hope you are planning to back that little old statement up with some
>fistage... becomes I'm calling you out to the playground... after
>school... then we'll decide whether Star Trek is lame or not... BE THERE!
Star Trek, although an "OK" concept, is pure drivel when compared to the
nearly- ordained nature of Star Wars.
I will admit to an occasional watching of TNG, and I generally keep an
eye out for Voyager, but DS9? What crap! An absolute waste of time!
Oh course, all ST attempts have been better than most Sci-Fi TV garbage.
Babylon 5? True Garbage of the first degree. ST is better than that.
But so ST is better than most. Has it lived up to it's potential, as a
truly excellent Sci-Fi concept? Has ST been a consistantly "good" show?
No. It has been the best of what the TV audience had to suck up. But it
was downright *bad* at times. The first two seasons of TNG in particular
were poor, as has been at least 75% of DS9. And the movies! What
trash! Except for the third ST flick (Wrath of Kahn), they have been
sub-par to an extreme. Whales! What the heck do time travelling whales
(I forget which wasted movie they are from) have to do with ST? Pure
crap. And the last "Generations" movie! Ha! I throw my Geordi visor
down and stamp on it! Pure crap in the highest degree! Poor Gene was
rolling over in his grave when he heard the plot in that movie. No
wonder most of the original crew backed away from the movie - they read
the script and said, "This Sucks!", and I must say I agree!
I mean look at the catch-phrases: "Beam me up Scotty" or "May the Force
be With You". No Comparison. Beam me up is way lamo (pronounced
"lay-moe"). :)
Names: "Jim Kirk" (not bad I suppose) or "Luke Skywalker". Hands down,
Skywalker wins.
True geekdom status: Who gets a Saturday Night Live sketch dedicated to
mocking the fanatical geekdom of Sci-Fi. Star Trek, not Star Wars. It
is obvious to most people that Star Wars is the coolest concept ever,
while Star Trek is just a harmful addiction which numbs the brain of
those who attempt to watch it too much.
Ok Star Trek freaks! I'll meet you out on the playground! Bring your
silly little phasers or what not too! You'll lose! I have the Force to
protect me! I don't need your steeeeeenking photon torpedos either!
I'll have my authentic Battle Damaged X-Wing with a 3 1/2" Luke figure to
blast you into the Darkside.
:)
Sorry...I kinda wigged out, huh?
Uhmmmmm.....so....anybody seen any good Sci-Fi lately?
Ed Rock
> Chris Kalmbacher (chr...@strauss.udel.edu) wrote:
>
> : Ok.....don't send the flames. I know if you do
> : not have an appreciation for the best movie of all time these analogies
> : may be making you sick or causing insane laughter right now, but someday
> : you will find out what God'd favorite flick is - I already know it is
> : Star Wars.
>
> *smile* Maybe... it was a good trilogy.
BUT, *EARTHGIRLS ARE EASY* is definitely the greatest movie of all times.
"I can't spell VW, but I have a Porsche..."
Chip Howard
ISAO! I LOVED BARBARELLA!
(I sort of envy Ted Turner too...:)
-Chip
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Beverley
Chris Kalmbacher <chr...@copland.udel.edu> wrote:
>In article <446jdc$m...@swen.emba.uvm.edu>,
>trash! Except for the third ST flick (Wrath of Kahn), they have been
Um. You misspelled "The Search For Spock." Hope this helps.
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w e d n s d a y @ t e z c a t . c o m b e v e r l e y r . w h i t e
"To her, all subcultures are empty vessels, ready to be filled with the
ego and memes of whoever dares to impose themselves." -Andrew C. Bulhak
A n d , l o , d i d B u l h a k m a k e a m i s t a k e . - - - -
Anthony Davis
Ok forget the ST Vs SW debate (they're both great so there! ;) )
and let's get to the music - Boba Phett the band that preaches the gospel
of Star Wars made up of Mikee from Sometimes Sunday, Todd from Sappo and
others. This is one live show not to miss complete with Mikee in a
Chewie costume and Todd as Darth with Storm Troopers playing Guitars and
Base (I even saw Yoda up there) look for the EP coming soon (O and about
that new agey christian analogy Force Han Solo watchamacallit etc et al
This band is pure fun and good music so just get down and may the funk be
with you! "There aint no way that you are my father, I have a right to
see my twin sister" - Boba Phett
P.S. the X-files is the best Sci-Fi on TV now, maybe the best
show that ever was...
ANT
X-Phile
DGMJ Watson
writes:
This is the second or third time I've heard of Boba Phett, but where
can I see them? Do they have a CD out? If not, will they? I really
want to hear their stuff. Somebody help me out. For, as you may or
may not know, finding their music "ain't like dustin' crops, boy!"
Markus Watson
Chip Howard
Christopher C Parks
(Scholar and Fool) writes:
>As Chip Howard <cho...@med.uvm.edu> so eloquently put it:
>>I am in love with Princess Leia
>
>honey buns, danish rolls, and other assorted pastries, don't you?
>
I don't know if Brother Phool intended it, but this brought to mind a
hysterically funny short parody film of the original Star Wars movie,
called "Hardware Wars." It was a parody of the promotional preview
("coming soon to a theater near you") type deal.
In the film, R2D2 was a canister-style vacuum cleaner, and the light
sabers were regular flashlights. And the Princess, instead of
elaborately styled hair, had dinner rolls attached to her head. At one
point, Chewbacca leans over and takes a bite out of one of them.
Great stuff, and it perfectly captured the craze that Star Wars started.
"You'll laugh. You'll cry. You'll kiss 5 bucks goodbye..."
peace,
chris
Donald A Smith
Chip Howard <cho...@med.uvm.edu> wrote:
>OK... but how is Ben Kenobi the Christ figure? How does Solo betray him?
>I can see how Kenobi could be considered the Christ figure because he was
>willing to give his life to save others... but I think the analogy really
>ends there. Also... I'd consider Solo more of a doubting Thomas than a
>Peter.
>
I don't buy the "Solo as Peter" analogy, but Kenobi is clearly a Christ-
figure, in hte same sense that Gandalf is (and isn't) I mean, he says to
Vader "Strike me down, and I will become more powerful than you can possibly
imagine." (Or something like that.) Does that remind anyone of a famous
comment about tearing down temples? :-)
And then Kenobi becomes a spirit that can guide and instruct. Geez, who
else do we know that died and became a living spirit that can guide and
instruct? Of course, Vader is no Pilate; I don't think you can argue
that Star Wars is an allegory, but Lucas certainly drew on similar archetypes.
He has said as much.
>*smile* Maybe... it was a good trilogy. Still, I think it'd be a heck
>of a lot easier to compare Star Wars to eastern religions, new age, or
>spiritualism than to compare it christianity... maybe that's just me though.
>This still doesn't make the serious great flicks (perhaps the best... much
>better than any Star Trek movie I must confess)... and it doesn't make me not
>want to scream in anticipation of the new movies that Lucas said would be out
>by the turn of the millenium.
I don't think you can really make a one-to-one comparison between Star Wars
and any real religion. There are elements of all sorts of traditions that
surface in the story, some Christian, some older, some newer.
My favorite SciFi show is Babylon 5, mostly for reasons that have nothing to
do with faith. However, one thing I *really* like about the show is that it
*does* tackle hard questions about faith and God without fudging, backing down
or condescending. Star Trek tends to view religion as superstition, like in
"Who Watches the Watchers" where Picard refuses to play God, or any of the
countless episodes where some very powerful being is worshipped as a diety.
When the being is revealed as not God, the implication is that "therefore,
there is no God" not "oops, we were wrong about the nature of the diety."
Just like Shift the Ape in C. S. Lewis's _The Last Battle_, when his "Aslan"
is revealed to be a donkey in a lion skin. Anyway, although they have been
exploring Bajoran faith, and I gather Voyager is trying to show some kind of
Native American belief system (is it real, or just some "nice" approximation
of one? I don't know enough about it to say.), none of the humans ever
believe in anything but their own culturally imperialist ethics. In one
Voyager episode I saw, they tried to imply (while backpedalling all the way)
that a certain race's "souls" existed in the form of "an unusually dynamic
electromagnetic field" around a certain planet. Thereby they deny both
physics and theology, while still maintaining a smug condescending front.
(Chacotay is sooo concerned about not desecrating the bodies, but to *observe*
an EM field, you have to *destroy* it, so did that mean that in *detecting*
this field, they were killing the souls of these people? This question is
*not* addressed. :-) ) In other episodes like "Outcast" or "The Host", they
took up potentially controversial topics, waved their PC banner mightily, and
then backed down before doing anything that *really* might imply taking a
stand. Have you ever seen one of the regulars *pray* on Trek?
Now, in B5, on the other hand, we have episodes like "Believers", where
diametrically opposed belief systems come into conflict, with a child's
life in the balance. Religion is shown as something that defines who we
are and how we make our life choices, something that can lead us to great
dignity and strength, or send us into bigotry and despair (historically,
religions have been responsible for both). I don't much care that neither
show is "Christian", like Lewis's space trilogy, but B5 treats religion
with a lot more respect and depth than Star Trek has to date. We have,
in the command staff, a Catholic and a Jew, an agnostic, and a Foundationist
(a hypothetical church formed after first contact with aliens). We have
seen Ivonova struggle with her religious heritage, we have seen tough
questions asked about God and suffering. Yes, B5 does not take a stance
on the question (its author is an atheist), but at least it *tackles* the
question with respect and compassion, rather than condescension and denial.
Now, I do like Star Trek, and there are certain episodes that do better than
others on the issue of faith (although at the moment, I can't think of any
good examples), it's important to remember that Trek is no longer Gene
R's baby. Within a certain window of ideology, each episode will reflect
the convictions of that episode's creative team. The Star Wars Trilogy and
B5 are much more the product of one mind, so it is much easier to talk about
their "stance" on an issue.
I've been trying desparately to think of a way to bring Christian music
into this discussion, but to no avail, so I will have to throw subtlety
to the winds and change subjects entirely: have any Christian artists
written songs that could be described as SciFi? I can think of Jeff Johnson's
"Stuck on Mars", but nothing else comes to mind. Anyone?
Fiat Lux,
Don Smith
Quaker Physicist
J. Streck
>> Amen! Preach it! Still haven't seen the director's cut though ... sigh.
>The orginal is much better, imho. I liked having a narrator. It gave it
>a kind of retro feel.
I can take or leave the narrator (and the infamous "unicorn scene" I
thought was just plain dopey), but I think the ending on the director's
cut is _much_ better. Of course, you can get the same effect by just
turning off the VCR when the elevator doors close on Harrison Ford and
Sean Young as they're leaving Ford's apartment in the closing moments of
the film.
john streck
jst...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu
Scholar and Fool
>I am in love with Princess Leia
alright...tell the truth now...you really have a thing for
honey buns, danish rolls, and other assorted pastries, don't you?
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a Christian sci-fi dreamer too. :)
Jason Burton (da...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Well...Star Wars has so many great moral truths in it... it could
: possibly be construed as religious...It is definately Spiritual...
Yeah, it's an awesome, thrilling, spiritual sci-fi experience! All it
needs is the true God as its base and it would be perfect. :)
: Unfortunately, I beg to differ with those who say they are the biggest
: SW fans out there...Remember that Fan is drawn from Fanatic...On AOL,
AOL, what a surprise... heheh BTW, they just sent me the umpteenth disk
today. Sheesh.
: there is a discussion group in the RELIGIONS area that truly believes
: in the FORCE and that they can use it...and they are not making jokes
: about opening doors at supermarkets with the Force either...It's down
: right scary...They are the biggest Fans...Or Freaks...I Dunno.
ROFL! Doors in supermarkets open for me because of their little infrared
(or whatever) scanners, not because I'm forcing them to. ;] Pun intended.
: Also, SW is coming back in a couple Years...Won't it be great to go to
: a movie and not have to hear all the swearing, see all the sex, see all
: the voilence...and be blown away once again to a Galaxy far Far
: away....God gave us imagination...let's use it..
YES! I sure hope that the new SW movies (and the improved old ones) will
be good like the orignals. That would be amazing...
: Also, what does this have to do with music?
: I love the soundtrack and all....but hey...
I have the 4CD box set SW Soundtrack Anthology, and the music is a
perfect match for the most amazing trilogy of all time.
--
Dan Cerman dece...@ouray.cudenver.edu [PGP]
http://www.cudenver.edu/~dcerman
Scholar and Fool
>> : ... really like _blade runner_ ... hmmm... make that really, really,
>> : really...
>>
>
>The orginal is much better, imho. I liked having a narrator. It gave it
>a kind of retro feel.
well, I've seen both. I saw the original release first (a couple of times)
on tv and such, and then saw the director's cut on the big screen. I
think I liked the "feel" of the director's cut better (no narrative and a
small amount of different footage), but I also had the feeling that if I
hadn't seen the original with the narrative first that I would have lost
a lot of the story and plot and understanding. I and a friend talked about
this, and we decided that we needed to find someone that has never seen
the original and get them to watch the director's cut and tell us what they
thought. Then they could watch the original and see if it opened a lot of
doors to the story that the director's cut didn't. That's personally what
I feel would happen, but I don't know for sure.
Keith McAiley
wanted to write and say that C.S. Lewis is my literary hero when it comes
to his science fiction. Don't stop at the Space Trilogy. Also read Til
We Have Faces (not exactly SF, but fantasy more or less) and a collection
of his shorter works (I think its called "C.s. Lewis' Collected Shorter
Works" ...duh). I thought Madeline L'Engle wrote some SF-type stuff too(?)
--
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kpmc...@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us * What's the ugliest part of your body?
************************************* Some say your nose,
* So much mediocrity, *************** Some say your toes,
**** So little time! *************** But I think it's your mind!"
************************************* --- Frank Zappa
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Chip Howard
generally a lot of crap about Star Trek
:except for the third ST flick (Wrath of Kahn)
My God Man... If you must insult my Star Trek's please... for Heaven's
sake get them right! Wrath of Kahn was the second flick (though I agree
that it was probably the only Star Trek worth the money to produce).
You bring your damn battle scarred X-wing to the playground but be
warned... I'm bringing the Enterprise and HELL IS COMING WITH ME... I
TELL YOU HELL!!!
;)
Chip
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originally released. I'd love to pick up a copy for myself, but all
anybody wants to sell me is the director's cut.
peace,
chris
Diana Morris
We had a discussion here last year about why Christian's enjoy
Scifi so much...
Personally, I enjoy British Scifi, (Doctor Who, etc), but I also watch
Star Trek.
Does anyone here know Henry Karlson on the Internet? I'm looking for his
id and he's a Christian scifi fan...
I miss VR5, Sliders and that Richard Dean Anderson series that was on UPN
last Spring.
My family has been watching the new series that Leonard Nimoy (Spock)
is working on called Deadly Games. It's an interesting show.
Strange Luck is another new series that I'm interested in.
re: Star Trek being pro-life....they seem to be very pro-life...unless of
course its a human life...details...
There was an episode where Deanna Troi was with child (a virgin birth!)
and Picard wanted to abort the baby.
The charactor did end up having the baby.
Speaking of family values on television, what ever happened to Worf's son
or
Murphy Brown's son? They've disappeared like Richie Cunninngham's
older brother!
Let's see, how can I have this note be on topic to Christian music....
Which Christian musicians are Scifi fans?
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PS: I just added a collection of festival / concert photos on the web
page.
Included are: Newsboys, Out of the Grey, Petra's new bass player,
Tony Vincent, Awesome Power Team, and MORE!
Kupajoe
SunnyRoses
over the city. i was/am really into the whole Syd Mead thing,
so that was cool for me. i, personally, prefer the director's
cut. doesn't force feed you the movie, and the ending feels
better (more sensible, regarding the question of Deckard and
Rachel's future).
jeff elbel
SunnyRoses
>I can take or leave the narrator (and the infamous "unicorn scene" I
>thought was just plain dopey), but I think the ending on the director's
yeah, but if not for that scene, there's not as much ground for the
"Deckard is a replicant" argument.
jeff elbel
J. Streck
>streck sez:
Another argument for losing it, in my opinion.
john streck
jst...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu
Robert Berman
Parks) wrote:
I far prefer the director's cut, myself. I have a copy of the theatrical
release, but one of these days I really want to get the "real" version,
which has fewer plot errors.
Elspeth
movie. It's debatable. They show the use of spice as a drug basically.
Yet, it also demonstrates trust in a higher power and calling on that
power when needed. They show the use of different gifts also. I
haven't seen it recently because it is so long, but I think you could
get other things out of it also.
Now that this thread is so long, what does it take to get a new news
group started? We definitly have more traffic in this one thread than
some of the news groups have all together. Maybe something like:
rec.christian.scifi
Just another thought.
Elspeth
Chris Kalmbacher
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
What the heck is the above?
You (poster) took so much from the previous message, it is now
indecipherable (at least to me, anyway!)
Clue me in. :)
Chris
Peter Jones
> I haven't heard anything about the movie DUNE yet. I really like that
>movie. It's debatable. They show the use of spice as a drug basically.
>Yet, it also demonstrates trust in a higher power and calling on that
>power when needed. They show the use of different gifts also. I
>haven't seen it recently because it is so long, but I think you could
>get other things out of it also.
Haven't seen it yet. Bradley's Psi Phi Club might be showing it as a
"movie of the week" in the next few weeks, but with my luck, I'll be too
busy to watch it...
> Now that this thread is so long, what does it take to get a new news
>group started? We definitly have more traffic in this one thread than
>some of the news groups have all together. Maybe something like:
>rec.christian.scifi
I don't know all the ins+outs, but I think there's something called a CFD
(Call for Discussion), then a CFV (Call for Votes)--both taking place in
... um, some other newsgroup esp. for such a discussions/votes.
But, to fit it into the existing hierarchy better, it might be called:
rec.arts.sf.christian
>Just another thought.
funny... I saw the same suggestion (with a different group name), made my
same (except forgetting the "arts") "correction" of name--but made the
mistake of renaming the subject, and there was never a comment...
I'd be all for such a group (check out my homepage:
http://rhf.bradley.edu/~petercj/
and my books.html page, and you might see why).
While I'm plugging my pages :) I might as well mention that my hotlist
(bkmk.html) has a music section (bkmk.html#music)--nothing new: just some
links to (mostly) Christian music sites; and I have My Meager
Music collection list online, too (music.html)--a list of my entire tape
and CD collection [actually, now that I say that, I think I might have a
couple not listed--I'll have to check and remedy that]--unfortunately, a
very small document..
(Oh, and if anyone has better small gifs of a cassette tape or CD, let me
know--I drew mine myself, and my artistic ability is...zilch.)
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J. Streck
>_Bladerunner_ is
>a rare example of where a movie captures the essence of the novel even
>though it only portrays a condensed version.
You must be joking. _Bladerunner_ -- whichever version -- has, to my mind
at least, about zero in common with _Do Androids Dream of Electric
Sheep?_.
john streck
jst...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu
Chip Howard
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Texas?). Cool hair... how come no one else ever wore their hair that way?
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>: this, and we decided that we needed to find someone that has never seen
>: the original and get them to watch the director's cut and tell us what they
>: thought. Then they could watch the original and see if it opened a lot of
>: doors to the story that the director's cut didn't. That's personally what
>: I feel would happen, but I don't know for sure.
Well, I'm sort of in this boat in that I've never seen the original but
have seen the director's cut many times, however I read the book at the
time the original came out. Also by the time I got to see the cut I had
already been involved in discussions(net and otherwise) about the movie
so when I did see it I had a fair idea of what to expect. I will be see-
ing the original in the next week or so, and I'm curious as to how the
voiceovers will affect my interpretation of the movie. _Bladerunner_ is
a rare example of where a movie captures the essence of the novel even
though it only portrays a condensed version.
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>snail <sv...@uow.edu.au> writes:
>>_Bladerunner_ is
>>a rare example of where a movie captures the essence of the novel even
>>though it only portrays a condensed version.
>at least, about zero in common with _Do Androids Dream of Electric
>Sheep?_.
At one level I agree however at a deeper level I don't. Physically in
the movie there is little in the movie that reminds me of the book.
However the movie deals with similar themes to the book in that it
explores the nature of what is real. It asks questions about the way
we view things. Part of this is reflected in the old "Is Deckard a
replicant ?" debate which is applicable to both the book and the
movie. A poignant moment in the movie is Roy's final speech which
emphasizes the idea that Roy the replicant had experienced a better
life than Deckard the human who is supposed to have real life. In the
book Deckard spends his time seeking something real, something meaningful
eg look at his joy at finding the frog at the bottom of the hill which
later turned out to be yet another replicant. The only meaning Deckard
finds is in the arms of a replicant, this too is reflected in the movie.
I'll stop now...however I will suggest for those unaware of the background
that they have a read of the _Bladerunner_ FAQ which is available where
all good FAQs are found :)
Chip Howard
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: Beverley (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote
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: Who says you'll regreat it?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHG! I pushed post too soon! Sure... I am bound to make
mistakes in my spelling... but regret? I am so sorry and promise you all
that I have now whipped myself senseless with old Chick tracts... so, If
you will forgive me... I think that God will :( AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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Tim Witort
das...@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Donald A Smith) wrote:
> I've been trying desparately to think of a way to bring Christian music
> into this discussion, but to no avail, so I will have to throw subtlety
> to the winds and change subjects entirely: have any Christian artists
> written songs that could be described as SciFi? I can think of Jeff Johnson's
> "Stuck on Mars", but nothing else comes to mind. Anyone?
How about Larry Norman's "UFO"?
He's an unidentified flying object, you will see Him in the sky.
He's an unidentified flying object, some will sleep but will not die.
.....
-- Tim
J. Streck
>BTW, I talked to Mikee a week or so ago, and following a phone
>conversation with the nice people at Lucas, Boba Phett is no longer
>Boba Phett, and they have to change the names of several of their
>songs, too. They're currently calling themselves "Twin Sister," and
>trying frantically to think of a good name that isn't actionable...
And are we suprised?
john (no, we're not) streck
jst...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu
Jerry McDonald
|> -- Tim
Could just be me but I think sci-fi type thoughts when I listen to DA's Fearful Symmetry and Darn Floor, Big Bite.
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Ed Rock
> > directors cut sucks..
>
> I thought it made the imagery much stronger myself.
Sorry, I didn't see anymore imagery in the director's cut than in the
original theatrical release. The differences I saw was a few minutes of
a unicorn gallopping, and the absence of the "up" ending and narrator. I
just missed the narrator in the director's cut--the narrator made the
original more nostalgic.
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Joshua Yumibe
> directors cut sucks..
I thought it made the imagery much stronger myself.
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Christopher C Parks
(Thomas Wolfe) writes:
>I believe these are the only differences in the film. Unfortunately I have
>not seen the director's cut, but I have heard that most die hard sci-fi
>fans prefer the director's cut.
Could be. I like sci-fi, but am not a die-hard fan. I liked the
theatrical version just fine. Perhaps if I had read the Philip Dick
story that inspired the movie, I might have felt differently. Maybe
not...my date for that night was awful cute :)
>I also heard that Harrison Ford wasn't all that thrilled about doing a
>narration for the film, so he intentional read it deadpan in the hopes
>that it would be unusable.
I loved the "film noir" aspect that the narration added. That's one of
the reasons that I am so disappointed that I can't seem to track down a
copy of the movie as originally released.
peace,
chris
Bill Dozier
(Thomas Wolfe) wrote:
>
> I believe these are the only differences in the film. Unfortunately I have
> not seen the director's cut, but I have heard that most die hard sci-fi
> fans prefer the director's cut.
>
Because it is supposed to be somewhat truer to the Dick story (Deckard as
replicant).
> I also heard that Harrison Ford wasn't all that thrilled about doing a
> narration for the film, so he intentional read it deadpan in the hopes
> that it would be unusable.
I like the narration, but then I like most everything Ford does.
--
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Peter Thomas Chattaway
: I loved the "film noir" aspect that the narration added. That's one of
: copy of the movie as originally released.
The narration was one of the things that turned me off when I first saw
the film. I'm not so sure that a "copy of the movie as originally
released" exists on video, though. The video *I* saw had 5 minutes of
added footage, all of which was reportedly removed again in the Director's
Cut (one of those rare times the Director's Cut is shorter than the
fullest version, kinda like `Lawrence of Arabia'). I just haven't had a
chance to see the Director's Cut of `Blade Runner' for myself yet.
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: of the novel, but leaves all of Phil Dick's wonderful quirks behind,
: not to mention 99% of the plot--frankly, I've always wondered why
: Scott even bothered to pay Dick--he could have made the movie without
: crediting him at all...
: Better than the hack job Paul Verhoeven did on "We Can Remember it for
: You Wholsale," though...
I haven't read `Do Androids ... ', but I recently read `We Can Remember
... ' and was amazed at how much of it *did* go into the movie (and I'm
particularly surprised that the short story's bare-breasted receptionist
didn't make it into the film -- this is Verhoeven, fer cryin' out loud).
Of course, it was a short story, so they had to add a lot to make it into
a *movie*. And, of course, they completely changed the whole gimmick of
the thing.
Tim Westcott
> original theatrical release. The differences I saw
> was a few minutes of
> a unicorn gallopping, and the absence of the "up"
> original more nostalgic.
I far preferred the director's cut, it was much more dramatic, to the point of being overly so at times (a la anime :) ). It was just so very,very cool.
Ronald Irvin Thomson
not subscribe to a discussion group on movies.
by the way, what's the difference between a "christian" star wars fan as
opposed to other star wars fans. is it some sort of exclusive club.
I assure you that there is not, could not and never will be anything
Christian about Star Wars.
Perhaps we should start a Christian Show Girls Fan discussion.
V-X
>In article
><Pine.A32.3.91.951004...@login0.isis.unc.edu>, Ed Rock
><ercr...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>I believe these are the only differences in the film. Unfortunately I have
>not seen the director's cut, but I have heard that most die hard sci-fi
>fans prefer the director's cut.
Actually, it's pretty much divided down the middle.
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>In article <nucleus-0510...@nucleus.pr.mcs.net>, nuc...@mcs.net
>(Thomas Wolfe) wrote:
>>
>> I believe these are the only differences in the film. Unfortunately I have
>> not seen the director's cut, but I have heard that most die hard sci-fi
>> fans prefer the director's cut.
>>
>Because it is supposed to be somewhat truer to the Dick story (Deckard as
>replicant).
1. It still has almost nothing to do with the book.
2. Deckard isn't a replicant in the book. A replicant, at one point,
tries to convince him he's one and almost succeeds.
>I like the narration, but then I like most everything Ford does.
I like the narration, too: frankly, I find the movie dreary and
unwatchable without it.
Scholar and Fool
>Perhaps we should start a Christian Show Girls Fan discussion.
Hey, yeah! That's a good idea! I haven't seen this movie yet, but I've
heard a lot about it and I'm not doing anything this weekend, so maybe
I'll go catch the show so I can talk about it on here. I bet it'll
probably have a pretty good following though, like Star Wars or something.
And it would probably be an interesting thing to discuss on here, because
there's a lot of interesting material in it from what I hear. I'm glad
you suggested this because now I'm really excited about seeing it!!!
So, come on everybody...let's do as Ronald suggests and go out and see
Show Girls so that we can all come back and talk about it on here.
What? You weren't serious?
Oh. I see.
Oh well.
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and I'm a Christian....I also dig Christian music so i figured it would
be fun to discuss one of my likes with people who also share another one
of my likes.
I never said there was anything Christian about Star Wars.....and your
Showgirls comment is ridiculous and shallow.
Maybe some people like things that you do not...better get use to it...
we'll all be in heaven with you.
Joshua Reilly
> i'm tired of having messages about star wars filling my screen. i did
> not subscribe to a discussion group on movies.
>
> by the way, what's the difference between a "christian" star wars fan as
> opposed to other star wars fans. is it some sort of exclusive club.
> I assure you that there is not, could not and never will be anything
> Christian about Star Wars.
Actually some people think that there are many things incommon between
Star Wars and Christianity. The most obvious connection would be 'The
Force' =ing 'God'. I'm not say this is what Lucas had in mind but I am
pointing at the fact that some people do relate Star Wars and Christianity
together.
V-X
>Perhaps we should start a Christian Show Girls Fan discussion.
You mean discussing Christian fans of Show Girls? I think that'd be
great. Let me start.
I haven't seen the movie, but they can't really be Christians.
Discuss.
ISAO BERED
joshua reilly writes:
> The most obvious connection would be 'The
> Force' =ing 'God'. I'm not say this is what Lucas had in mind but I am
> pointing at the fact that some people do relate Star Wars and
>Christianity together.
hmmmmm... joshua did not say he agreed with this likening... still, i am
once more compelled to say...
... there is no dark side to god... these comparisons should stop...
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Ronald Irvin Thomson (rith...@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: i'm tired of having messages about star wars filling my screen. i did
: not subscribe to a discussion group on movies.
: by the way, what's the difference between a "christian" star wars fan as
: opposed to other star wars fans. is it some sort of exclusive club.
: I assure you that there is not, could not and never will be anything
: Christian about Star Wars.
: Perhaps we should start a Christian Show Girls Fan discussion.
I couldn't believe it when I realized that this was the same girl as the
one from saved by the bell. WOW... she's hot.
-Chip
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Ronald Irvin Thomson <rith...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>i'm tired of having messages about star wars filling my screen. i did
>not subscribe to a discussion group on movies.
>
>by the way, what's the difference between a "christian" star wars fan as
>opposed to other star wars fans. is it some sort of exclusive club.
>I assure you that there is not, could not and never will be anything
>Christian about Star Wars.
>
>Perhaps we should start a Christian Show Girls Fan discussion.
Whineing again......
Geee you never quit!
Give it up...or somebody may
think you pound salt up your....
Jeremy P. Kane
cho...@med.uvm.edu (Chip Howard) wrote:
>
>I couldn't believe it when I realized that this was the same girl as the
>one from saved by the bell. WOW... she's hot.
>
Uh... with all due respect, from the trailers and interviews I've seen, she
looks more drugged out (sunken, darkened eyes; emaciated...) than "hot." And
I've read reviews from college guys in Va. Tech's college paper that agree
that she isn't as much "hot" as burned out...
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Chip Howard
: Ronald Irvin Thomson <rith...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
: >Perhaps we should start a Christian Show Girls Fan discussion.
: You mean discussing Christian fans of Show Girls? I think that'd be
: great. Let me start.
: I haven't seen the movie, but they can't really be Christians.
Ya... well you smell bad!
: Discuss
I loved the movie... the drama and the aspect of seeing God's great
creations naked just did it for me!
(actually... I didn't really see the movie... but I've already got 10+
personal messages from people being shocked and offended that I... a
Christian <if in name only> could go see this flick... so I'm tempted!)
Much congrats go to V-X for the incredible posts s/he has had of late!
William Constantine Tsimpris
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Joshua Reilly (jre...@primenet.com) wrote:
: Ronald Irvin Thomson <rith...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
: > i'm tired of having messages about star wars filling my screen. i did
: > not subscribe to a discussion group on movies.
: >
: > by the way, what's the difference between a "christian" star wars fan as
: > opposed to other star wars fans. is it some sort of exclusive club.
: > I assure you that there is not, could not and never will be anything
: > Christian about Star Wars.
: Actually some people think that there are many things incommon between
: Star Wars and Christianity. The most obvious connection would be 'The
: Force' =ing 'God'. I'm not say this is what Lucas had in mind but I am
: pointing at the fact that some people do relate Star Wars and Christianity
: together.
Believe it or not, I wrote a 12-page term paper on the similarities
between the entire Star Wars saga (movies, books, etc) and the New
Testament last spring. And I got an A-plus. But I have no idea how to
download it or whatever, so please, even if you had the notion, don't
ask. Anyway, if you're such a fan of Star Wars, why don't you bring up
you discussion on the Star Wars newsgroup. I don't look at it, but a
friend of mine really digs it.
"It just isn't fair!"
--whiny Luke
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Halhiker
>> I thought it made the imagery much stronger myself.
>
>Sorry, I didn't see anymore imagery in the director's cut than in the
>original theatrical release. The differences I saw was a few minutes of
>a unicorn gallopping, and the absence of the "up" ending and narrator. I
>just missed the narrator in the director's cut--the narrator made the
>original more nostalgic.
>
>
The narrator was extraneous and unnecessary. The directors cut changed
the whole meaning of the film by adding the realization that
rotten ronny
On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Thomas Wolfe wrote:
> Date: Tue, 10 OCT 1995 21:04:46 -0600
> From: Thomas Wolfe <nuc...@mcs.net>
> Newgroups: rec.music.christian
> Subject: Re: Christian Star Wars and/or Show Girls Fans
>
> > I loved the movie [ShowGirls]... the drama and the aspect of seeing
> God's great
> > creations naked just did it for me!
> > (actually... I didn't really see the movie... but I've already got 10+
> > personal messages from people being shocked and offended that I... a
> > Christian <if in name only> could go see this flick... so I'm tempted!)
>
> Well, I believe that you can't really judge something without having any
> knowledge about it first, so as a christian I believe that I am duty bound
> to see this movie.
> Al Pacino's character in GlenGarry GlenRoss had a philosophy; If the
> Majority go one way, Bet the other.
Come on guys-when i started this thread i was serious. it is a great
show. has anyone been able to draw any parallels to the bible. there
are a lot of passages about concubines. might they apply here?
i don't think anyone can judge this show unless they have seen it for
themselves. if i had eight bucks to spare i'd go. i guess i'll have to
wait for it to hit a discount theatre.
since this is a music discussion group i thought i'd better throw out
this morsel to chew on-what do you think Carman would say about this
show? would he watch it? let me know your opinions.
i'd nominate this show for any award. lets get some serious discussion
going.
take care,
rotten
Christopher Kettlewell
>s5.acs.ucalgary.ca>: <jreilly-0610...@ip250.pom.primenet.com>
>Distribution:
>Joshua Reilly (jre...@primenet.com) wrote:
>: Ronald Irvin Thomson <rith...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>: > i'm tired of having messages about star wars filling my screen. i did
>: > not subscribe to a discussion group on movies.
>: >
>: > by the way, what's the difference between a "christian" star wars fan as
>: > opposed to other star wars fans. is it some sort of exclusive club.
>: > I assure you that there is not, could not and never will be anything
>: > Christian about Star Wars.
>: Actually some people think that there are many things incommon between
>: Star Wars and Christianity. The most obvious connection would be 'The
>: Force' =ing 'God'. I'm not say this is what Lucas had in mind but I am
>: pointing at the fact that some people do relate Star Wars and Christianity
>: together.
Well actually, it is really new age sort of stuff, not Christian. The fact
that there is this "force" flowing through the universe, that isn't alive,
isn't a person, but is just a force that can be locked into. Very New Age.
> Believe it or not, I wrote a 12-page term paper on the similarities
>between the entire Star Wars saga (movies, books, etc) and the New
>Testament last spring. And I got an A-plus. But I have no idea how to
>download it or whatever, so please, even if you had the notion, don't
>ask. Anyway, if you're such a fan of Star Wars, why don't you bring up
>you discussion on the Star Wars newsgroup. I don't look at it, but a
>friend of mine really digs it.
I am sure you could draw these connections if you want to. But then you
could about buddism, hinduism etc aswell. They have things to do with
gods and supernatural forces and things, yet there is nothing Christian
about them at all. In fact they are anti-Christian. You know one of Satans
favourite methods of attacking Christianity is having fake religons that
have some resemblence to Christianity. Just put a little bit of truth in
there among the lie and it makes it all the more believable, and people
can then get it confused with the truth.
>"It just isn't fair!"
> --whiny Luke
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>
>: You mean discussing Christian fans of Show Girls? I think that'd be
>: great. Let me start.
>
>: I haven't seen the movie, but they can't really be Christians.
>
>Ya... well you smell bad!
>: Discuss
>
>creations naked just did it for me!
>(actually... I didn't really see the movie... but I've already got 10+
>personal messages from people being shocked and offended that I... a
>Christian <if in name only> could go see this flick... so I'm tempted!)
>
Hrrrm... Somehow this reminds me of something some
important dude said once... something about eating, food --Oh yeah!-- It was
something like 'not what goes into you makes you filthy, but what's inside
you' or 'what comes out of your heart.' Something like that. Not quite sure
what made me think of that just now...
</musing>
>Much congrats go to V-X for the incredible posts s/he has had of late!
>
_He_, Chip, and _he_ has a spiffy Web page, to boot!
>-Chip
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>I don't think God comes well out |
>of it. |
> -Virginia Woolf |
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>
>The narrator was extraneous and unnecessary. The directors cut changed
>the whole meaning of the film by adding the realization that Deckard was
a replicant
>
>
>
Noah Aklilu
>> I loved the movie [ShowGirls]... the drama and the aspect of seeing
>God's great
>> creations naked just did it for me!
>> (actually... I didn't really see the movie... but I've already got 10+
>> personal messages from people being shocked and offended that I... a
>> Christian <if in name only> could go see this flick... so I'm tempted!)
>Well, I believe that you can't really judge something without having any
>knowledge about it first, so as a christian I believe that I am duty bound
>to see this movie.
>Al Pacino's character in GlenGarry GlenRoss had a philosophy; If the
>Majority go one way, Bet the other.
Why does it seem that only guys go to see these kind of movies. None
of my female friends are going to see it, I don't see why I should go.
I think many a story can be told without showing so much skin.
Besides if you feel duty bound to go see this movie, I wonder if you
think you are also duty bound to get laid just to make sure it was a
sin.
Noah Aklilu
akl...@nyquist.ee.ualberta.ca
http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~aklilu
Electrical Engineering
University of Alberta
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Chip Howard
: nuc...@mcs.net (Thomas Wolfe) wrote:
: >> I loved the movie [ShowGirls]... the drama and the aspect of seeing
: >God's great
: >> creations naked just did it for me!
: >> (actually... I didn't really see the movie... but I've already got 10+
: >> personal messages from people being shocked and offended that I... a
: >> Christian <if in name only> could go see this flick... so I'm tempted!)
: >Well, I believe that you can't really judge something without having any
: >knowledge about it first, so as a christian I believe that I am duty bound
: >to see this movie.
: >Al Pacino's character in GlenGarry GlenRoss had a philosophy; If the
: >Majority go one way, Bet the other.
: Why does it seem that only guys go to see these kind of movies. None
: of my female friends are going to see it, I don't see why I should go.
Well... at least my part in that topic was a joke.
(my special thanks to all of you that got it)
Chip
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