Rap/ Hip Hop Dove Award...slap in the face?????
Kenny20920
Ok for the second year in a row I am very, very put out by the Rap/ Hip Hop
Dove Awards. Come on now Carmen last year, and the World Wide Message Tribe.
Don't get me wrong I thin WWMT is awesome, but that ain't no Rap/Hip Hop.sure
they rap a bit, but that is such dance music...now I coukd be wrong the CD that
one could be Rap, but can't see the style chang. What a slap in the face the
the Rap/Hip Hop artist. I wouldn't even show up. Carmen, come on are you for
real.....he WON last year! Who nominates and votes on this stuff anyway?
Elan Kia
I read in 7ball last year that not very many members vote. Hip hop
artists and enthusiasts need to vote if they are members.
Besides, how can you resist the cutting rhymes of someone who could
do those ccm compilation infomercials so well.
"Carman will never win a Dove award, because he tells the truth..." Tim
& Al KJSL 630 am
Mornings on the most
powerful daytime a.m. in Saint Louis
Jerry B. Ray
In article <6hpfee$ep9$1...@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Elan Kia <ela...@webtv.net> wrote:
>"Carman will never win a Dove award, because he tells the truth..." Tim
>& Al KJSL 630 am
> Mornings on the most
>powerful daytime a.m. in Saint Louis
What's that all about, anyway?
JRjr
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Kenny20920
>"Carman will never win a Dove award, because he tells the truth..." Tim
>& Al KJSL 630 am
> Mornings on the most
>powerful daytime a.m. in Saint Louis
Well I hate to break it to you there Tim but yoiu truth teller Carman won the
Dove last year for Best Rap/Hip Hop......what a joke that is!
Elan Kia
when in St.Louis give 630 AM KJSL a listen and you will hear Tim and Al
do a very strange morning zoo for God and/or Pat Buchanan
John Paulus
Kenny20920 (kenny...@aol.com) wrote:
: Ok for the second year in a row I am very, very put out by the Rap/ Hip Hop
i'm just scanning through the messages...so i'm not sure who won, WWMT or
Carman?
WWMT is in that category because the GMA doesn't listen to that spectrum of
music. They have little clue what the difference is between hip hop & house.
If WWMT won, it would be good for the house & hip hop Christian industries,
as people might look in that section a bit more often and find some good
stuff.
If Carman won...i say we bombard DC (oh, excuse me, dc) Talk's mailbox with
pleas for them to educate the GMA on other rap artists. i suggest this
because when you tell a white Christian "Christian rap group", 9 times out
of 10 "dc Talk." With that influence, they could educate the Christian world
on other brothers & sisters.
In advance for next year....let's get on a campaign for Unity Klan "Eternal
Funk" (which, as far as i can tell, is the best hip hop album out this year,
for the 1999 awards)
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Kenny20920 (kenny...@aol.com) wrote:
: Ok for the second year in a row I am very, very put out by the Rap/ Hip Hop
: Dove Awards. Come on now Carmen last year, and the World Wide Message Tribe.
: Don't get me wrong I thin WWMT is awesome, but that ain't no Rap/Hip Hop.sure
: they rap a bit, but that is such dance music...now I coukd be wrong the CD that
: one could be Rap, but can't see the style chang. What a slap in the face the
: the Rap/Hip Hop artist. I wouldn't even show up. Carmen, come on are you for
: real.....he WON last year! Who nominates and votes on this stuff anyway?
i think your overstating the foolishness of the Dove Awards in this
particular case....
The strange thing, for me, is that it looks like the Cross Movement had 2
songs nominated for best song (all others had one). Yet they didn't win best
ALBUM (best collection of songs). That seems very odd to me...
As to why WWMT was chosen... they're most white, and therefore most
relateable to voters?
John Paulus
David Murray
John Paulus wrote in message <6hqul8$k6e$3...@gail.ripco.com>...
>WWMT is in that category because the GMA doesn't listen to that spectrum of
>music. They have little clue what the difference is between hip hop &
house.
It's probably more that there isn't enough interest in house in the
Christian market for it to have it's own category on the Doves. I'm not
saying there should or shouldn't be interest, I'm just saying there isn't.
In such cases a group is placed in the nearest category possible. Maybe the
category should be renamed _Rap/Dance_ to reflect the growing interest in
electronica. The two genres share enough elements that it wouldn't be an
absurd pairing, IMO.
There are too many downsides to having too many categories, IMO. For one
thing, it makes the show last longer, and the impact of the awards less. The
only current category that seems on the verge of dying is Hard Music, yet we
have Ska, Dance, Punk, etc. and all their respective sub-headings trying to
butt their way in.
>If WWMT won,
They did.
>If Carman won...
He didn't, thank God.
>In advance for next year....let's get on a campaign for Unity Klan "Eternal
>Funk" (which, as far as i can tell, is the best hip hop album out this
year,
>for the 1999 awards)
Unity Klan is kool. I like the intro to the album.
Dave Murray / db-m...@rfci.net
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Dan Temmesfeld
David Murray wrote:
>
> There are too many downsides to having too many categories, IMO. For one
> thing, it makes the show last longer, and the impact of the awards less. The
> only current category that seems on the verge of dying is Hard Music,
and that's bullshit, because it isn't by any stretch of the imagination...
living sacrifice, stavesacre, saviour machine, zao, klank,
and many more were quite eligible...but, the GMA has no
overall clue when it comes to that...
Dan
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Brad Caviness
Dan Temmesfeld wrote in message <354173...@NOSPAM.erinet.com>...
>David Murray wrote:
>>
>> The only current category that seems on the verge of dying is Hard Music
>
>and that's bullshit, because it isn't by any stretch of the imagination...
>
>living sacrifice, stavesacre, saviour machine, zao, klank,
>and many more were quite eligible...but, the GMA has no
>overall clue when it comes to that...
>
Yeah, but they're all mostly on Tooth and Nail and Diamante, those young
punk upstarts on the west coast who don't have any respect for the
establishment on the Cumberland. Ten years ago, I was making the same
complaints, but the names were Frontline, Refuge, etc. Metal is hip on the
underground scene again, which the GMA would have no knowledge of since they
only acknowledged "alternative" music two years ago. Of course, there is
always the possibility that the labels themselves failed to nominate these
releases, thereby ensuring that none of them would win.
BSC
David Murray
Dan Temmesfeld wrote in message <354173...@NOSPAM.erinet.com>...
>David Murray wrote:
>>
>> There are too many downsides to having too many categories, IMO. For one
>> thing, it makes the show last longer, and the impact of the awards less.
The
>> only current category that seems on the verge of dying is Hard Music,
>
>and that's bullshit, because it isn't by any stretch of the imagination...
>
>living sacrifice, stavesacre, saviour machine, zao, klank,
>and many more were quite eligible...but, the GMA has no
>overall clue when it comes to that...
The labels themselves chose not to list/participate in Hard Music this year
for whatever reason, perhaps because they do feel the GMA has no clue about
that style. When I said the category was on the verge of dying, I should
have specified that I meant within the Dove Awards themselves, since the
hard labels have evidently chosen to eliminate themselves from
consideration. The genre still lives on, no doubt about it. Sorry for the
confusion.
David Murray
Brad Caviness wrote in message <6htlrp$rq1$1...@news-in.anc.net>...
>Of course, there is
>always the possibility that the labels themselves failed to nominate these
>releases, thereby ensuring that none of them would win.
That did happen, as John Styll indicated in a post here a few months ago.
The question remains as to why the labels themselves would chose not to
participate, but there's no evidence to suggest that the GMA wants to kick
the style out.
SamHag
In article <6hr4s3$pnp$1...@gail.ripco.com>, sha...@ripco.com (John Paulus)
writes:
>The strange thing, for me, is that it looks like the Cross Movement had 2
>songs nominated for best song (all others had one). Yet they didn't win best
>ALBUM (best collection of songs). That seems very odd to me...
>
>As to why WWMT was chosen... they're most white, and therefore most
>relateable to voters?
It probably had more to do with not enough people knowing Cross Movement. If I
remember correctly, they are not distributed by a major company and that lack
of distribution means not enough people have heard of them.
Sam Hagedorn
I'm absolutely sure that I don't know
what I know
Matt Laswell
John Paulus <sha...@ripco.com> wrote:
: The strange thing, for me, is that it looks like the Cross Movement had 2
: songs nominated for best song (all others had one). Yet they didn't win best
: ALBUM (best collection of songs). That seems very odd to me...
: As to why WWMT was chosen... they're most white, and therefore most
: relateable to voters?
That's a fairly serious accusation, John. Do you happen to have any
evidence beyond "they're white and Carman's white?"
Certainly race could have played a role, I suppose, but I'd guess that
the vast majority of GMA members haven't the foggiest idea as to
the race of any of the nominees. I consider it far more likely that
WWMT wins this award because songs like "There is a Green Hill Far
Away" get airplay on some CCM stations, so the name recognition is
greater. The name recognition factor is even bigger when we're
talking about Carman, of course.
As for how the Cross Movement gets best song nominations but doesn't
win, I'd guess you're looking at a disparity between what's needed
for nomination (seems like a relatively small group of people who
really know the scene can get a song nominated) and actually winning
the award (which comes down to a vote of the entire GMA membership,
most of whom don't listen to rap or hip hop and goes mostly by
name recognition).
Again, I'm not saying that race couldn't have played a part in the
award, but that accusation is too serious to make without some
evidence.
--
matt laswell -- laswell at jump dot net
"When you can see through the fog for an instant, and you understand
haltingly and briefly what good is, and how God is connected with that,
it cannot help but put a hell of a perspective on things..." - Mark Heard
John Paulus
Matt Laswell (las...@nospam.jumpnet.com) wrote:
: John Paulus <sha...@ripco.com> wrote:
: : The strange thing, for me, is that it looks like the Cross Movement had 2
: : songs nominated for best song (all others had one). Yet they didn't win best
: : ALBUM (best collection of songs). That seems very odd to me...
: : As to why WWMT was chosen... they're most white, and therefore most
: : relateable to voters?
: That's a fairly serious accusation, John. Do you happen to have any
: evidence beyond "they're white and Carman's white?"
When i talk about "whiteness", i mean in terms of how it"feels". the hip
hop albums sound different than WWMT's house style. Hip hop can scare
suburbanites and they can't relate or understand.
: Certainly race could have played a role, I suppose, but I'd guess that
: the vast majority of GMA members haven't the foggiest idea as to
: the race of any of the nominees. I consider it far more likely that
: WWMT wins this award because songs like "There is a Green Hill Far
: Away" get airplay on some CCM stations, so the name recognition is
: greater. The name recognition factor is even bigger when we're
: talking about Carman, of course.
That's certainly a big part of it too (fame in the CCM subculture). Radio
airplay isa similar situation: hip hop is too "questionable" for most
Christian stations (which happen to be mostly culturally white). WWMT is
"safer".
: As for how the Cross Movement gets best song nominations but doesn't
: win, I'd guess you're looking at a disparity between what's needed
: for nomination (seems like a relatively small group of people who
: really know the scene can get a song nominated) and actually winning
: the award (which comes down to a vote of the entire GMA membership,
: most of whom don't listen to rap or hip hop and goes mostly by
: name recognition).
: Again, I'm not saying that race couldn't have played a part in the
: award, but that accusation is too serious to make without some
: evidence.
They ought to have a section with GMA voting as to WHY someone voted the way
they did...it'd be interesting to see WHY WWMT was "better" than, say ,
Cross movement. There ought to be a rule that people can't vote for a
category unless they reviewed ALL the nominees!
--jp--
: --
: matt laswell -- laswell at jump dot net
: "When you can see through the fog for an instant, and you understand
: haltingly and briefly what good is, and how God is connected with that,
: it cannot help but put a hell of a perspective on things..." - Mark Heard
--
Mrmflatt
this is an interesting topic,
since this is basically what has been going on in the rock/alternative cats for
a couple of years. although i will say that the voting is getting better, and
the choir won a couple of years late. But it is recoginition, and album sales,
that win the dove. Not racial preference.
mike
David Murray
John Styll wrote in message <01bd7479$9be9d660$e73698cf@john-styll-2>...
>John Paulus <sha...@ripco.com> wrote in article
>>There ought to be a rule that people can't vote for a
> >category unless they reviewed ALL the nominees!
>Great idea! Why don't you write it?
Such a rule should be no more difficult to enforce than the "no block
voting" rule, which stimulates a curious question: Has there ever been a
case of block voting, or was the "no block voting" rule made due to a
situation where block voting occurred?
John Styll
John Paulus <sha...@ripco.com> wrote in article
>There ought to be a rule that people can't vote for a
> category unless they reviewed ALL the nominees!
>
Great idea! Why don't you write it?
--John
John Styll
David Murray <dbmu...@bogus.spam.com> wrote in article
<6i9phe$hkm$3...@supernews.com>...
>
> John Styll wrote in message <01bd7479$9be9d660$e73698cf@john-styll-2>...
> Such a rule should be no more difficult to enforce than the "no block
> voting" rule, which stimulates a curious question: Has there ever been a
> case of block voting, or was the "no block voting" rule made due to a
> situation where block voting occurred?
>
The "no block voting" rule was created to solve a problem which had been
occuring for years. The rule has been effective due to voluntary
compliance from record companies and PROs, but also due to the fact that
the CPA firm which does the tabulations uses a computer program to match
ballots that have been voted alike. They also manually review them for
handwriting similarities. Three years ago all of the ballots from a major
company were disqualified for violation of the rule. To my knowledge, no
widespread violation has occurred since.
I not only think a rule requiring voters to have knowledge of ALL nominees
(which would be ideal, of course), would be difficult to enforce, I think
it would be difficult to create. I'd love to see a serious attempt.
--John
John Paulus
John Styll (jst...@ccmcom.com) wrote:
: John Paulus <sha...@ripco.com> wrote in article
: >There ought to be a rule that people can't vote for a
: > category unless they reviewed ALL the nominees!
: >
: Great idea! Why don't you write it?
: --John
Is that possible? And if so, how? Can we have a spokesperson to help spread
the word (like dc Talk; Toby McKeehan, i'm sure, was disappointed that GRITS
didn't get an award).
Thanks for being online & responding!
--jp--
John Paulus
Mrmflatt (mrmf...@aol.com) wrote:
: this is an interesting topic,
: mike
The question is: how does one get that initial recognition? One such way is
airplay, and a lot of white stations don't want to play anything "too black"
(i.e. stuff they don't understand/can't relate to).
If black rap groups sounded more like Carman's Yo! Kid Rapz! they would win
the rap category.
Marty and Nancy Jane
Matt Laswell wrote:
>
> John Paulus <sha...@ripco.com> wrote:
>
> : As to why WWMT was chosen... they're most white, and therefore most
> : relateable to voters?
>
> That's a fairly serious accusation, John. Do you happen to have any
> evidence beyond "they're white and Carman's white?"
>
> the vast majority of GMA members haven't the foggiest idea as to
> the race of any of the nominees. I consider it far more likely that
> WWMT wins this award because songs like "There is a Green Hill Far
> Away" get airplay on some CCM stations, so the name recognition is
> greater. The name recognition factor is even bigger when we're
> talking about
>
> award, but that accusation is too serious to make without some
> evidence.
We like WWMT at our house! They don't sound "White" Green Hill is
different from any of their other stuff, so if that is all you have
heard I can see how you would think they sounded white. If you ever
have to drive through the night, WWMT will definitely keep you awake!
Matt Laswell
John Paulus <sha...@ripco.com> wrote:: : : The strange thing, for me, is that it looks like the Cross Movement had 2
: : : songs nominated for best song (all others had one). Yet they didn't win best
: : : ALBUM (best collection of songs). That seems very odd to me...
: : That's a fairly serious accusation, John. Do you happen to have any
: : evidence beyond "they're white and Carman's white?"
: When i talk about "whiteness", i mean in terms of how it"feels". the hip
: hop albums sound different than WWMT's house style. Hip hop can scare
: suburbanites and they can't relate or understand.
*looks at the Brainstrom rap collection in the CD player*
*looks at his yuppie Gap clothes*
*looks at his suburban address*
Bull.
Come on, John. "Hip hop can scare suburbanites and they can't relate
or understand?" The R&B station here plays gospel on Sunday morning,
yet I've never heard any christian country. I doubt the people who
listen to that show would recognize any of the christian country artists
names if you asked them. But how ugly does a statement like "christian
country can scare african americans and they can't relate or understand"
look?
And don't you come from Hoffman Estates? So hip hop scares you?
You can't relate or understand?
: : Certainly race could have played a role, I suppose, but I'd guess that
: : the vast majority of GMA members haven't the foggiest idea as to
: : the race of any of the nominees. I consider it far more likely that
: : WWMT wins this award because songs like "There is a Green Hill Far
: : Away" get airplay on some CCM stations, so the name recognition is
: : greater. The name recognition factor is even bigger when we're
: : talking about Carman, of course.
: That's certainly a big part of it too (fame in the CCM subculture). Radio
: airplay isa similar situation: hip hop is too "questionable" for most
: Christian stations (which happen to be mostly culturally white). WWMT is
: "safer".
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with race, John. I don't hear a lot
of 77s on my local CCM station (though I have heard Kirk Franklin there).
I haven't heard a lot of Daniel Amos either. Funny - those bands are made
up of white men (well, except for former 77s drummer Aaron Smith, of
course). And some might even scare suburbanites, who can't relate or
understand (c.f. "Dave's Blues"). For that matter, I haven't heard any
of WWMT's house tunes on any CCM station, either. And yet, house has
such a "culturally white" sound... It's got little to do with race.
It's quite simple. Ask yourself: why are people involved in the GMA?
At one level or another, they're involved because they play a part in
the production, distribution or retailing of Christian music. It strikes
me that such an arrangement tends to be self-reinforcing - most folks who
do some of that enjoy the music currently being produced (at least some
of it). If they weren't they probably wouldn't be in the organization.
So you end up with an organization whose collective tastes, while hardly
homogenous, are not representative of the American population. It's not
about racism (though there probably are racists in the GMA) so much as it
is particular musical tastes.
: : Again, I'm not saying that race couldn't have played a part in the
: : award, but that accusation is too serious to make without some
: : evidence.
Which evidence you don't supply, BTW, beyond dubious speculation as to the
fears of suburbia.
: They ought to have a section with GMA voting as to WHY someone voted the way
: they did...it'd be interesting to see WHY WWMT was "better" than, say ,
: Cross movement. There ought to be a rule that people can't vote for a
: category unless they reviewed ALL the nominees!
Sure, but how would you enforce such a rule?
--
matt laswell -- laswell at jump dot net
"A middle class WASP into hip hop? The unforgiveable sin..."
Mrmflatt
i wouldn't say that, you are entirely incorrect in your assumptions. Like the
alternative part of this industry, they were a few men/women who spent their
own time and money, and put the music that they loved on the radio, and in so
doing established a broader market for the music they had and still have a
passion for. Whether this be in a college radio station or a local christian
station, if you really have the heart for it, do what you can and get the
recognition for the music. I can remember striving to put good music on the
radio, and it's a tough pill to swallow when you see artist win in catagories
that they have right to be part of in the first place.
mike
David Murray
John Styll wrote in message <01bd7508$e2fa8920$e73698cf@john-styll-2>...
>>I not only think a rule requiring voters to have knowledge of ALL nominees
(which would be ideal, of course), would be difficult to enforce, I think
it would be difficult to create. I'd love to see a serious attempt.<<
I don't think the rule would be that difficult to create, but it would be
nearly impossible to enforce.
For starters:
"The GMA member agrees to inspect/examine every nominee before voting on the
final ballot. (The member may ignore any categories in which s/he does not
vote.)"
Perhaps it shouldn't be a rule, but just a part of a "Guidelines for Voting"
section.
Heh! Perhaps you could require members to pass a test to qualify to vote in
each area. Let the ones who qualify vote in as many categories as they are
truly capable of voting in.
I'd be glad to draft up a survey with questions like:
1. Which of the following record labels is primarily known for its roster of
Southern Gospel Artists?
A. Gotee
B. Spring Hill
C. CGI/Light
D. ForeFront
Those who answer A or D can be disqualified from the entire voting process.
:) Those who answer C could be given partial benefit of the doubt, excluding
them only from the Gospel and Southern Gospel categories, which they are
obviously confused about.
2. Name a rap artist. Any rap artist.
If they can't answer this, don't let them vote in the rap categories.
3. Which of the following individuals has been previously extremely active
both as a songwriter and producer, but never as a solo recording artist on a
widely distributed level?
A. Charlie Peacock
B. Steve Taylor
C. Wayne Kirkpatrick
D. Michael English
People who don't realize that Charlie Peacock, Steve Taylor, and Michael
English have recorded solo albums in the past have no business voting in the
Dove Awards.
4. Do you own or have ready access to a computer?
"No" answers would disqualify members from voting in the Enhanced CD
category.
etc.
Send it out with the preliminary entry form that precedes the first ballot.
It might work! Of course, it might also cut down the voters to an extremely
small number, but at least the ones left would know what they were doing.
John Paulus
David Murray (dbmu...@bogus.spam.com) wrote:
: Heh! Perhaps you could require members to pass a test to qualify to vote in
: each area. Let the ones who qualify vote in as many categories as they are
: truly capable of voting in.
: I'd be glad to draft up a survey with questions like:
: 1. Which of the following record labels is primarily known for its roster of
: Southern Gospel Artists?
: A. Gotee
: B. Spring Hill
: C. CGI/Light
: D. ForeFront
: Those who answer A or D can be disqualified from the entire voting process.
: :) Those who answer C could be given partial benefit of the doubt, excluding
: them only from the Gospel and Southern Gospel categories, which they are
: obviously confused about.
: 2. Name a rap artist. Any rap artist.
: If they can't answer this, don't let them vote in the rap categories.
You have to modify that: they have to name 3. The first two will be dc Talk
and Carman. They'll get stuck for the last one.
Actually, they ought to name *5* artists (enough for the category)...
: 3. Which of the following individuals has been previously extremely active
: both as a songwriter and producer, but never as a solo recording artist on a
: widely distributed level?
: A. Charlie Peacock
: B. Steve Taylor
: C. Wayne Kirkpatrick
: D. Michael English
: People who don't realize that Charlie Peacock, Steve Taylor, and Michael
: English have recorded solo albums in the past have no business voting in the
: Dove Awards.
i don't understand the above question. And what's the relevence of the
question (other than the get Kirkpatrick off the list, & give CP & ST a
chance to win again)?
: 4. Do you own or have ready access to a computer?
: "No" answers would disqualify members from voting in the Enhanced CD
: category.
David Murray
John Paulus wrote in message <6iklsc$ij0$1...@gail.ripco.com>...
>: 2. Name a rap artist. Any rap artist.
>
>: If they can't answer this, don't let them vote in the rap categories.
>
>You have to modify that: they have to name 3. The first two will be dc Talk
>and Carman. They'll get stuck for the last one.
>
>Actually, they ought to name *5* artists (enough for the category)...
True. Another thing that should be done is preventing the record companies
from placing their artists in inappropriate categories, just hoping they'll
win. In the case of Leann Rimes this year, that backfired. She'd probably
have won the Country Album of the Year had she been place there, but she was
placed in Inspirational Album of the Year for some dumb reason. It worked
for Carman last year in Rap Song, though. He didn't have a song last year
that stood a chance of winning in the Pop Song category, so they got one
tune placed in the Rap category where he won over the lesser known names. It
worked for Fernando Ortega in the Bluegrass Song Of The Year this year,
also. Awards shouldn't be presented to artists because they do one song in a
particular style that's a less popular genre overall than the style 90% of
their work falls under.
>: 3. Which of the following individuals has been previously extremely
active
>: both as a songwriter and producer, but never as a solo recording artist
on a
>: widely distributed level?
>: A. Charlie Peacock
>: B. Steve Taylor
>: C. Wayne Kirkpatrick
>: D. Michael English
>
>: People who don't realize that Charlie Peacock, Steve Taylor, and Michael
>: English have recorded solo albums in the past have no business voting in
the
>: Dove Awards.
>
>i don't understand the above question. And what's the relevence of the
>question (other than the get Kirkpatrick off the list, & give CP & ST a
>chance to win again)?
Ever notice that the Songwriter of the Year, and Producer of the Year is
most often won by an artist? (Brown Bannister was an exception this year.)
The point is not to get Kirkpatrick OFF the list, but to get him and other
non solo artist individuals like him ON it. Steven Curtis Chapman is a
decent songwriter, for example, but he's no better than Kirkpatrick and many
others like him. Michael W. Smith writes great music most of the time, but
his lyrics are done by someone else 90% of the time. His name appearing as a
Songwriter of the Year nominee, bumping people like Kirkpatrick, Bourgeois,
and others who did the actual work on his album, is ludicrous.
Another point of the question is to test members' overall knowledge about
the people they are voting for. Taylor, Peacock, and English have all
produced albums and written songs. I'd suspect that many voting members are
only aware of their solo projects.
derek...@hotmail.com
yo
if anyone is interested in a christian rap/hip-hop chart you can
check out the hip-hopzone at
http://www.hip-hopzone.com/insidecharts.html
the only online chart for gospel hip-hop and rap.
btw, the wwmt does not appear on this chart since they are not
current hip-hop. great ministry, wrong genre. same goes for
carman.
i only intend this chart to be a resource for artists, radio and
any interested in real hip-hop. our stats are not meant to reflect
on the artists or their ministries, they are only intended to
show how much airplay they are getting through our reporting
stations.
any comments, feel free to email me.
God Bless
jim/joyful noize
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ok JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THAT IS WAY COOL!!!!! WE TOTALLY NEED GOOD
CHRISTIAN RAP MUSIC OUT THERE FOR ALL US CHRISTIANS WHO LIKE TO GROOVE BUT
LIKE GETTING FILLED WITH GOOD STUFF.......ITS WAY COOL...KEEP ENCOURAGING
EACH OTHER GUYS!!!!
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