Is Yanni's music NEW AGE??
the kumquat kuriosity
In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.961114...@helios.usq.edu.au>,
Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au> wrote:
> In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
> would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of music...new
> age. This is because Satan have influences in those music which might
> affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
> has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious mind which
> will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives, affecting out
> walk with the Lord.
Now, you'll probably be ripped to pieces in the group for posting this
question in an honest and forthright manner, rather than couching it in a
lot of fluffy "engineered to be unoffensive to anyone" language... but it's
a valid question.
In one sense, I think that equating "new age music" with "backmasking" can
be a Bad Thing. New Age is a style/genre that does not necessarily have any
religious meaning attached to the music itself; there are, likely, many
artists producing such music who are not involved in the "new age
movement." Tke artists on a case by case basis, evaluate their personal
lives to discover what memes they may be subconsciously propogating,
evaluate their work to find out what ones they're directly propogating, and
then make your judgement there.
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Stella L Mak
Dear all...
I need some confirmation on the information I have concerning the
following questions.....
- is Yanni's music new age.
- how do you know his music is new age.
- are there any other artists that are classified as "new age".
- do you recommend Christians listening to these kind of music.
- if you know af a Christian who is listening to these kind of music, who
would you go about telling the person that it is not healthy, for
Christians, to listen to them.
In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of music...new
age. This is because Satan have influences in those music which might
affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious mind which
will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives, affecting out
walk with the Lord.
This is what I know and would like someone to confirm what I know. AND if
possible can you please quote some verses to confirm. There's one verse I
know and it goes something like.... "our bodies are the temple of God and
we're to keep it holy" something to that effect.
Please advice....THANKS!!!
Agape...
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Once upon a time, Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au> wrote:
>Dear all...
>I need some confirmation on the information I have concerning the
>following questions.....
>- is Yanni's music new age.
is it in the 'new age' section of the music store? 8^)
>- how do you know his music is new age.
New Age music is just that. Renamed ambient/easy listening. It has little
if nothing to do with that disorganised pseudo-'religion' that the church
has become so paranoid about lately
>- are there any other artists that are classified as "new age".
Do you walk into any music stores very often?
>- do you recommend Christians listening to these kind of music.
As a supporter of the view that it's the lyrics that matter not the music it
self I wouldn't oppose it.
>- if you know af a Christian who is listening to these kind of music, who
> would you go about telling the person that it is not healthy, for
> Christians, to listen to them.
One minute your asking if it is healthy. Then your making judgements about
it not being alright to listen to simply because of its classification.
Sounds to me like you weren't looking for opinions but justification for
your views on the matter.
>In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
>would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of music...new
>age.
Ah I thought so.
>This is because Satan have influences in those music which might
>affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
>has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious mind which
>will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives, affecting out
>walk with the Lord.
The 'jury' pretty much returned a not-guilty verdict on the assertation that
'back masking' affects the subconcious.
>This is what I know and would like someone to confirm what I know.
Doesn't one normally ask for confirmation of what one believes. If one
knows something one doesn't need confirmation.
>AND if
>possible can you please quote some verses to confirm. There's one verse I
>know and it goes something like.... "our bodies are the temple of God and
>we're to keep it holy" something to that effect.
perhaps you could help us out here by giving more than vague assertations
that ministers routinely spout about. "everyone knows" arguments don't hold
any water.
>Please advice....THANKS!!!
yer welcome.
John v.
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Scholar and Fool
Yea, verily, Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au> did say:
>I need some confirmation on the information I have concerning the
>following questions.....
Well, I'm afraid I'm not here to confirm. If you should be captured,
as always, we will disavow any knowledge of you or your mission.
>- is Yanni's music new age.
Musically, yes. Is Yanni a person who believes in "New Age" as a
religion? I don't know. I do have a Yanni CD somewhere, but I never
listen to it. It was a gift. Really.
>- how do you know his music is new age.
Well...it sounds like it, it's categorized as such in music listings,
other people call it that. Again - this has nothing to do with the
"New Age" religions. I don't know about his religious leanings.
>- are there any other artists that are classified as "new age".
Yeah, a lot of them. There's usually sections of them at music stores.
I could name some names, but based on the slant in your post, you might
think they are all evil and have backmasking, and I'd rather not create
those sort of feelings towards the bands unnecessarily.
>- do you recommend Christians listening to these kind of music.
I don't recommend Christians listening to those types of music if the
Christian doesn't want to, or doesn't like it. I would say that it is
a perfectly viable form of music for Christians to listen to, just as
much as any style of music is.
>- if you know af a Christian who is listening to these kind of music, who
> would you go about telling the person that it is not healthy, for
> Christians, to listen to them.
Um....I'd say..."Hey, you know, that music you are listening to is really
the spawn of Satan, and it'll drag you down into the depths of hell while
you're humming along thinking it's just some cool sounding ambient-based
synth and woodwind arrangements. It's evil! EVIL!" Then I'd laugh and
tell them that I was just kidding. But that's just me. :)
>In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
>would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of music...new
>age. This is because Satan have influences in those music which might
>affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
>has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious mind which
>will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives, affecting out
>walk with the Lord.
Well, now we're getting into whole other realms of conversation. Satan
can have "influence" in anything we let him. Satan can have influence
in "Christian music", or whatever else. The backmasking thing is kinda
hokey. But, ya know, if you believe it's really a threat for you then
you'd do best to stay away from it. I think backmasking is a nice
little cardboard demon that certain people like to stand up at different
places to make it look like something's there. But I don't think Satan
has any more influence through mellow music than he does through any
other thing in the world around us.
--
"You don't need theological training to witness effectively.
All you need is a supply of Chick tracts."
- (taken from the Chick Publications web pages)
@#$% Terry Leifeste, Scholar and Fool / hatf...@phoenix.net %*&$@#%&$%*#$#@
Wayne Napier
Isn't his name spelled Yawn-y?
WayneMan
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>In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.961114...@helios.usq.edu.au>,
>Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
>> would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of
>music...new
>> age. This is because Satan have influences in those music which might
>> affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
>> has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious
mind which
>> will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives,
>affecting out
>> walk with the Lord.
>
>
David Paul
From Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au>, the following was
written:
> In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
> would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of
> music...new age. This is because Satan have influences in those music
> which might affect us in certain ways... for example the message in
> the song that has "back masking" can only be picked up by our
> sub-concious mind which will later manifest into some kind of effect
> in our lives, affecting out walk with the Lord.
Most of the music classified as "new age" has nothing to do with the
new age movement, it is just good instrumental music. Only a few
artists used back masking, the extent of back masking was exaggerated by
the media. I think Yanni's music is perfectly safe, unless it puts you
to sleep when you are driving. I have some Christian friends who
perform only instrumental music in their band. Their music would
probably be put in the "new age" bin at the store (if they could get a
label deal), but they are all Christians and just like writing
instrumental music. At least you don't have to worry about getting bad
theology from the music when there are no lyrics. I am sometimes amazed
at the inaccuracies I hear in "Christian" music.
David
matt laswell
In message <Pine.HPP.3.95.961114...@helios.usq.edu.au> -
Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au>Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:54:41 +1000
writes:
:>
:>Dear all...
:>
:>I need some confirmation on the information I have concerning the
:>following questions.....
:>
:>- is Yanni's music new age.
Hmmm... That depends on what you mean by that. His _music_ is definitely
new age - that's just a genre of music, much as "jazz" or "alternative"
are. Yanni's music practially defines that genre. Now, if you're asking
if his _lyrics_ have new age influences (new age referring to the quasi-
religion that Christians get pretty nervous about), I have no idea.
:>- how do you know his music is new age.
I know his _music_ is new age becaue that's where it's filed in the
record stores. His lyrics, I don't claim to know.
:>- are there any other artists that are classified as "new age".
Tons. It's a pretty big genre. If you're referring to the quasi-religion,
I'd guess there are plenty, but couldn't tell you for sure.
:>- do you recommend Christians listening to these kind of music.
If you're referring to the musical style, as your question suggests, I
would recommend Christians listen to quality music that they enjoy.
I suppose there's some new age music that fits those criteria. I, for
example, enjoy listening to Enya, who is considered New Age. I enjoy
the music and hear little in it that worries me, faith-wise.
However, based on what you say next, I'm guessing that you are really
talking about the religion, and that you're mind's kinda made up
already:
:>- if you know af a Christian who is listening to these kind of music, who
:> would you go about telling the person that it is not healthy, for
:> Christians, to listen to them.
Well, if I were convinced of such a thing, I'd focus on a few key points:
1) Before you say _anything_, be rock-solid sure that your motivation is
love for that person. If you're doing it to share your "rightness"
with them or to score brownie points with God or whatever, it's best
to say nothing. "I can understand all mysteries... but without love,
I am nothing." - 1 Cor. 13
2) Remember that this sort of discussion is by its very nature a peripheral
matter. For that reason, I'd suggest the issue be treated as meat
sacrificed to idols (see Romans and 1 Corintians for more depth on
this).
3) Your brother or sister in Christ is far more important than opinions on
music.
4) Be gentle and patient in your presentation of your opinions, and
recognize that at the end of the day they are _your opinions_. They're
worthwhile, but they are not scripture. They are not absolute truth.
:>In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
:>would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of music...new
:>age. This is because Satan have influences in those music which might
:>affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
:>has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious mind which
:>will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives, affecting out
:>walk with the Lord.
OK. I was taught a lot of these same things in my church when I was
growing up. Looking back, the folks who were teaching these things
were very sincere believers who loved the Lord very deeply. For that,
I am indebted to them. However, I think on this issue they were wrong.
First of all, backmasking, while a neat parlor trick, doesn't work. The
reputable studies that have been done (e.g. those that weren't done by
folks simply trying to prove a point they'd already decided on) have been
pretty unanimous. Backmasking doesn't do what its critics say. The
mind does not interpret the backwards messages. It's the words that are
heard when the record is played properly that you should worry about.
Second, Satan's influence. Yes, Satan can use music to get at you. That
said, though, lets be clear - he is a conquered foe. All of the teaching
that I can recall that warns against backmasking, secular music and
such is based, fundamentally, on one thing: fear. God does not mean for
us to live in fear. Scripture is quite clear: greater is He that is
in us than he that is in the world. Furthermore, neither death nor life,
neither angels _nor demons_ can seperate from this love that is in
Christ Jesus. If we fall from Christ, it will ultimately be because we
chose to (and lets not turn this into a debate on predestination and
"once saved, always saved"). If we draw near to Christ, it will because
we choose to repond to His love for us. This is not to say that we
cannot be influenced - we can - but rather that we cannot be forced to
do things that we do not wish to. Lets be careful about what we take
in, and lets "throw off the sin that so easily entangles," but lets
not live in fear.
:>This is what I know and would like someone to confirm what I know. AND if
:>possible can you please quote some verses to confirm. There's one verse I
:>know and it goes something like.... "our bodies are the temple of God and
:>we're to keep it holy" something to that effect.
"For God did not give us a spirit of fear, but He has given us love and
boldness."
I would also point out the verses in Acts 17 in which Paul quotes
pantheists (who believe that God is in everything and everything is
in God, much like today's new agers) and Zeus-worshippers to preach
Christ to the Athenians. C.S. Lewis said it well: "all truth is
God's truth." If we have apprehended the truth in Christ, as we
say we have, we needent be afraid of contrary belief systems.
--
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"I think of my body as a temple, or at least a reasonably well managed
Presbyterian youth center" - Emo Phillips
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Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au> writes:
>affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
>has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious mind which
>will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives, affecting out
>walk with the Lord.
YHBT.
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Rob Sawatsky
Stella L Mak (d953...@helios.usq.edu.au) wrote:
: Dear all...
: - is Yanni's music new age.
Yes, and like most of this stuff it is mindless noodling, in this case on
the piano, with almost no creativity (IMHO). But, isn't much of CCM like
this?
: - how do you know his music is new age.
Musically, because it is says so on the back of the CD, because it is in
the "new age" section of the music store, or because it sounds like
modern elevator music.
: - are there any other artists that are classified as "new age".
Many.
: - do you recommend Christians listening to these kind of music.
From a purist point of view, I don't recommend Christians participating
in anything that is in opposition to Christ. If you believe in "those
who are not for me are against me" kind of reasoning, then anything not
overtly Christian is in opposition to Christ and should be shunned. On
the other hand, is mere listening participation or endorsation of the
artist? I believe I can enjoy non-Christian art in many forms without
endorsing the views of the artist, so long as this art is not in
obvious opposition to God. You have to be mature enough in your faith
to make your own judgement.
: - if you know af a Christian who is listening to these kind of music, who
: would you go about telling the person that it is not healthy, for
: Christians, to listen to them.
The same way Christians are instructed to approach each other about any
perceived error in their life (there is a biblical reference which I
can't recall). First make sure you aren't doing this to increase your
stature in your own eyes, secondly make sure this is really an issue
that is causing separation between that person and God, and is not
just a problem you have.
: In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
: would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of music...new
: age. This is because Satan have influences in those music which might
: affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
: has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious mind which
: will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives, affecting out
: walk with the Lord.
I doubt very much that this whole concept of bask-masking and the
sub-conscious is true, but even if true, most songs accused of using
this technique are so overtly anti-Christian that no reference needs
to be made to back-masking to condemn their content. Whether music
without lyrics can have anything but a temporary emotional impact is
doubtful (IMHO).
: This is what I know and would like someone to confirm what I know. AND if
: possible can you please quote some verses to confirm. There's one verse I
: know and it goes something like.... "our bodies are the temple of God and
: we're to keep it holy" something to that effect.
Using scripture as a legal tool is a very bad concept in that it draws
us to a do/don't understanding of God rather than a personal knowledge of
Jesus as a person who wants us to live a life of discipleship, faith and
righteousness. There are many verses which could help you in this
situation, but if you don't feel it is right don't do it. Until you
know what the spiritual beliefs of the artist are you won't be able
to make a judgement about your participation or the participation of
others in experiencing the art.
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Bob Weigel
In article <56ikmv$t...@mailer.mda.ca>, Rob Sawatsky <r...@mda.ca> wrote:
>Stella L Mak (d953...@helios.usq.edu.au) wrote:
>: Dear all...
>
>
>: - is Yanni's music new age.
>
>Yes, and like most of this stuff it is mindless noodling, in this case on
>the piano, with almost no creativity (IMHO). But, isn't much of CCM like
>this?
>
>: - how do you know his music is new age.
>
I've spoken with one of his musicians, who is actually a brother in
Christ. He gives glory to God in concert. Yanni believes he is part
of the fabric of the universe or whatever.
>Musically, because it is says so on the back of the CD, because it is in
>the "new age" section of the music store, or because it sounds like
>modern elevator music.
>
>: - are there any other artists that are classified as "new age".
>
>Many.
>
>: - do you recommend Christians listening to these kind of music.
>
>From a purist point of view, I don't recommend Christians participating
>in anything that is in opposition to Christ. If you believe in "those
>who are not for me are against me" kind of reasoning, then anything not
>overtly Christian is in opposition to Christ and should be shunned. On
>the other hand, is mere listening participation or endorsation of the
>artist? I believe I can enjoy non-Christian art in many forms without
>endorsing the views of the artist, so long as this art is not in
>obvious opposition to God. You have to be mature enough in your faith
>to make your own judgement.
>
Often art work shows a path toward relationship with God, as in Kansas
stuff, etc. That can be edifying to listen to, given an understanding
of the context. (eg. "Dust in the wind" is something like reading
Ecclesiastes) -Bob
>: - if you know af a Christian who is listening to these kind of music, who
>: would you go about telling the person that it is not healthy, for
>: Christians, to listen to them.
>
>The same way Christians are instructed to approach each other about any
>perceived error in their life (there is a biblical reference which I
>can't recall). First make sure you aren't doing this to increase your
>stature in your own eyes, secondly make sure this is really an issue
>that is causing separation between that person and God, and is not
>just a problem you have.
>
Well put.
>: In my opinion and according to what I've been taught in my church, it
>: would not be healthy for Christians to listen to these kind of music...new
>: age. This is because Satan have influences in those music which might
>: affect us in certain ways... for example the message in the song that
>: has "back masking" can only be picked up by our sub-concious mind which
>: will later manifest into some kind of effect in our lives, affecting out
>: walk with the Lord.
>
>I doubt very much that this whole concept of bask-masking and the
>sub-conscious is true, but even if true, most songs accused of using
>this technique are so overtly anti-Christian that no reference needs
>to be made to back-masking to condemn their content. Whether music
>without lyrics can have anything but a temporary emotional impact is
>doubtful (IMHO).
>
For example #9 by the beatles? :-) Well, the content is overtly idle
in forward mode. You can certainly warn people against Idleness AND
having to do with IDLE DOERS. That perhaps is the most useful thing
to consider in the whole matter. -Bob
The Brocker
In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.961114...@helios.usq.edu.au>,
Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au> wrote:
>
>I need some confirmation on the information I have concerning the
>following questions.....
>
>
Who cares, it's still crap.
Brock "The Viking" Gustafson
bgus...@richmond.edu
"Under the aegis of a living God
I trust above with certainty
Under the aegis of a loving God
I live and breathe, Eternity."
Mike Ack
The Brocker wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.HPP.3.95.961114...@helios.usq.edu.au>,
> Stella L Mak <d953...@helios.usq.edu.au> wrote:
> >Dear all...
> >
> >I need some confirmation on the information I have concerning the
> >following questions.....
> >
> >- is Yanni's music new age.
> >
>
> Who cares, it's still crap.
>
Thanks for the insight.
mka: How'd you like the movie, Brock?
Brock: It sucked.
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