DC Talk's Smith has confessed
KRichards1
I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay. He said he has been
struggling with the problem and trying to let God work through him. He
still wants to be able to bring Gods word to people all around the world
via music, but we'll just have to see how the Christian Music industry
takes this. Although Kevin Smith has had no gay experiences, he has
admitted to having gay tendencies. His current girlfriend has known about
this for some time and is helping him through his struggles. So, all in
all, Kevin has done nothing wrong...just thoughts, I guess. God will work
his way in Kevin's life just as he has always done. Best wishes to Kevin,
his girlfriend, and the rest of the Smith family.
Theoaspis
krich...@aol.com (KRichards1) said:
>Although Kevin Smith has had no gay experiences, he has
>admitted to having gay tendencies. His current girlfriend has known
>about
>this for some time and is helping him through his struggles. So, all in
>all, Kevin has done nothing wrong...just thoughts, I guess. God will
work
>his way in Kevin's life just as he has always done.
If what you say is true I don't think that it is fair to refer to him as
"gay." Just because someone faces temptations in a particular area
doesn't mean that he should be labelled as if he is performing that
activity. People that fantasize about robbing convenience stores aren't
thieves until they actually do it
I also would like to know why you wished him and his family well when in
your last post regarding him you said:
>Kevin Max Smith is a rebellious prick.
Who is the one acting like a prick?
EAT!
theo
Bev
KRichards1 <krich...@aol.com> wrote:
>I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
>and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay. He said he has been
>struggling with the problem and trying to let God work through him. He
>still wants to be able to bring Gods word to people all around the world
>via music, but we'll just have to see how the Christian Music industry
>admitted to having gay tendencies. His current girlfriend has known about
>this for some time and is helping him through his struggles.
Okay, I'm treating this as a hypothetical until I see press confirmations
(no ZTV in Canada, other than the Bollywood show on Vision, and I *hate*
Hard Copy, so didn't see that; I'll be getting papers over the next few
days), but a few things:
* If Kevin is maintaining an active heterosexual relationship in the face
of all of this, the factual term is "bisexual." It's *far* too easy to
fall into the trap of polarized sexuality (straight or gay, no in-between,
is not reality). Obviously, no one can speak for his heart, mind, and soul
except him, and I'll respect any self-identification he chooses.
* If he gets drop-kicked from the industry, the labels involved can bloody
well expect me to go for the vocal boycott tip, up through and including
as much net.press as it takes. If he'd had an attraction to women that
aren't his wife, but hadn't acted on that, no one would bloody well care.
I'm not surprised, but I am upset, that the concept of liking guys is
enough to merit a press conference if he's not actually going out and
acting on the desires. It's a pretty damning statement about our sacred
cows...
* This could be a really scary platform for Exodus International, though...
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Jerry B. Ray
In article <19970130121...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
Theoaspis <theo...@aol.com> wrote:
>Just because someone faces temptations in a particular area
>doesn't mean that he should be labelled as if he is performing that
>activity. People that fantasize about robbing convenience stores aren't
>thieves until they actually do it
This doesn't exactly line up with Jesus' teachings on lust...
JRjr
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Children growing up, old friends growing older
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Ruth Anne Francis
>doesn't mean that he should be labelled as if he is performing that
>activity. People that fantasize about robbing convenience stores aren't
>thieves until they actually do it
Just a quick point.
I don't like the idea of labeling people either, but didn't Jesus say that
a man who has committeed adultery and a man who has thought about
committing adultery have commmitteed the same sin? I could be
misremembering the passage here, and I don't have my Bible with me (I'm at
work) to check up on myself.
If noone gets back on this, I'll check this evening and try to remember to
post tomorrow.
Ruth Ann
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Chuck Pearson
Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote in response to KRichards1 <krich...@aol.com>:
: >I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
: >and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay. He said he has been
: >struggling with the problem and trying to let God work through him. He
: >still wants to be able to bring Gods word to people all around the world
: >via music, but we'll just have to see how the Christian Music industry
: >takes this. Although Kevin Smith has had no gay experiences, he has
: >admitted to having gay tendencies. His current girlfriend has known about
: >this for some time and is helping him through his struggles.
ye gawds. so THIS is what all the hullabaloo is about?
: Okay, I'm treating this as a hypothetical until I see press confirmations
: (no ZTV in Canada, other than the Bollywood show on Vision, and I *hate*
: Hard Copy, so didn't see that; I'll be getting papers over the next few
: days), but a few things:
let's, but the fact that someone has gone to so much detail and has a
reference [albeit one of the sleaziest TV shows on the planet] makes me a
lot less likely to scream "sit down and shut up."
i still don't like this in the least bit.
: * If Kevin is maintaining an active heterosexual relationship in the face
: of all of this, the factual term is "bisexual." It's *far* too easy to
: fall into the trap of polarized sexuality (straight or gay, no in-between,
: is not reality). Obviously, no one can speak for his heart, mind, and soul
: except him, and I'll respect any self-identification he chooses.
yee. i won't even debate bev on this one.
: * If he gets drop-kicked from the industry, the labels involved can bloody
: well expect me to go for the vocal boycott tip, up through and including
: as much net.press as it takes. If he'd had an attraction to women that
: aren't his wife, but hadn't acted on that, no one would bloody well care.
: I'm not surprised, but I am upset, that the concept of liking guys is
: enough to merit a press conference if he's not actually going out and
: acting on the desires. It's a pretty damning statement about our sacred
: cows...
this whole idea is what has me still not quite believing. i mean, you're
a ccm type, and you merely have an *attraction* to men, in the face of
maintaining a proper male/female courtship type relationship, and this
automatically means you have to go in front of your public and beg
forgiveness?
is anybody else just a little slightly troubled at the implications of this?
and, quite frankly, i really don't have any reason to believe that the men
of dct aren't a little more progressive than that, that this is the type
of thing you talk over with your close friends, and you [privately] seek
counseling over, maybe, but you CERTAINLY don't go in front of the press
and confess your innermost *thoughts*...!
: * This could be a really scary platform for Exodus International, though...
i don't even want to GO there yet.
chuck
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saying "there goes a man with high ideals
and a burden on his back..." (thanx to dime store prophets.)
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Cheef Dan
Jerry B. Ray (vap...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
: This doesn't exactly line up with Jesus' teachings on lust...
Gotta agree here.
Although I want to add, there are differences between
1) Desire
2) Temptation
3) Indulging in lustful fantasy
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Cheef Dan
so, basically we're saying (if it's true such a press conference
occurred), that Kevin Smith has confessed to having temptations which he
didn't give in to.
Oh, what a horrid Christian witness.
Melody Kewl
Hello Dearies. :)
wedn...@tezcat.com (Bev) writes:
> * If Kevin is maintaining an active heterosexual relationship in the face
> of all of this, the factual term is "bisexual." It's *far* too easy to
> fall into the trap of polarized sexuality (straight or gay, no in-between,
> is not reality). Obviously, no one can speak for his heart, mind, and soul
> except him, and I'll respect any self-identification he chooses.
Yikes. And dare we even consider the possibilities of heterosexual, but
homoemotional. Just an interesting theory I've heard some (but not
much) talk about. For instance, an attraction being not based on the
sexual, but the emotional. The pitfall being that many assume that all
intimacy MUST involve some sort of sexual component. Just an
interesting li'l thought I ran across somewhere. Perhaps from some
of my gay "christian" online acquaintances (some, btw have forsaken
all sex but still consider themselves as gay).
Melody "identifyin', testifyin', but ain't about to be pryin'" Kewl ;)
Robert Berman
In article <19970130054...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
krich...@aol.com (KRichards1) wrote:
> I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
> and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay.
<snip>
> Although Kevin Smith has had no gay experiences, he has
> admitted to having gay tendencies. His current girlfriend has known about
> this for some time and is helping him through his struggles. So, all in
> all, Kevin has done nothing wrong...just thoughts, I guess.
I'm always amused by how much press this sort of thing gets. It's like
when Jimmy Carter admitted having lusted, and the news media went on a
feeding frenzy. Guess what, folks--Anyone who thinks they're immune to
any given temptation had better watch themselves! (I Cor 13:10)
I personally don't believe that there are any of us without "gay
tendencies", just as there are none of us without "hate tendencies",
"rebellion tendencies", or any other sin you care to name. Each of us
have different weaknesses,true, but the same basic set of challenges.
That doesn't excuse us from fighting our sinful nature, but hopefully it
should be a reality check, to keep us from getting appalled when people
admit their frailties. Amy Grant seems to regularly get run over by that
train ("Gasp! She admitted that she has thoughts of infidelity in the
song 'Faithless Heart'!")
I'm not coming down on you in particular, krichards. But it just doesn't
seem to me that this sort of "revelation" by Kevin Smith should come as a
shocker to anyone who's honest with themselves. It doesn't make him
"Gay", any more than David having Uriah killed made hima Homicidal
Maniac. God's grace allows us to renew our minds and overcome our sinful
nature.
--
XIAOWEN HE
Lucas W. Hendrickson
[More slanderous crap snipped]
When are you people going to learn? Either a) you're trying, for your own
amusement, to troll around so people will believe things like this (which,
knowing this group, they tend to believe the worst) or b) you really
believe you saw something like this on T.V., which tells me you're living
in an even more delusional world than the rest of us.
Sarcasm, I can deal with and personally wish to see elevated to an art form.
Satire...gimme more, more, more.
But slander? I don't think so.
Give it a rest. You know it's not true, and even if it were, it's none of
your business.
lwh.
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Denise Keppel
: : This doesn't exactly line up with Jesus' teachings on lust...
:
: Gotta agree here.
:
: Although I want to add, there are differences between
:
: 1) Desire
: 2) Temptation
: 3) Indulging in lustful fantasy
If you look at homosexuality in the same way that you look at alcholism,
having the tendancys isn't so bad. For example, on both sides of my
family I have alcholics, and now I fight the urge to drink. It can
be a deep, physical longing at times but I don't imbide.
Its there, its a part of me, and I live with it
Susan E Stone
KRichards1 (krich...@aol.com) wrote:
: I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
: and also on Ztv today.
Did anyone else see this press conference? I ask because the person who
posted the above spoke judgmentally about Smith on another thread, and
I've watched enough X-Files to know that you Trust No One. :-)
Seriously, this is the way rumors like that silly Procter & Gamble
confession of Satanism on Donahue get started. And it's hard for me to
believe that anyone would *choose* *Hard Copy* as their venue for such a
revelation.
If it *is* true, I pretty much agree with what Bev just posted. If
not--well, gossip and rumor-mongering are nasty things.
--Susan
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Linc Leifeste
In article <lkb128.41...@psu.edu>, lkb...@psu.edu (Lyle Beidler) wrote:
> My question is: since when has Hard Copy cared about the Christian music
> scene?
although i doubt the truthfulness of the post, i wouldn't doubt something
of this nature would be on hard copy and other shows of its ilk. for
instance, i think the michael english crap was covered on one of these
shows. and many people who could care less about the christian music scene
have come to know and hate (and to love) dc talk. they are at least
decently known in the mainstream market. and the media loves to point out
when people fall (not that i would have found that to be the case in the
supposed kevin smith rumor) and point out perceived hypocrisy in
christians who are in the public eye.
-linc
p.s. i don't know what this says about me, but i would probably have
better feelings about kevin smith if the rumor was true. i would, possibly
for the first time, defend him against all the judgemental attacks that
would probably come from many in the church. despite my bad feelings
toward dc talk, i would stand up for someone who could honestly admit
something about himself to the church and be attacked for it. no longer
would kevin smith just be a pretty boy who does bad christian music. He
would be a pretty boy who does bad christian music and is being attacked
by the judgemental brethren. not that i can relate to that or anything...
--
"it's just not the same when you stare into a perfect golden sunset, thinking about how you sold your soul to send the rain away."
-mineral
Lyle Beidler
>KRichards1 (krich...@aol.com) wrote:
>: I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
>: and also on Ztv today.
>Did anyone else see this press conference? I ask because the person who
>posted the above spoke judgmentally about Smith on another thread, and
>I've watched enough X-Files to know that you Trust No One. :-)
>Seriously, this is the way rumors like that silly Procter & Gamble
>confession of Satanism on Donahue get started. And it's hard for me to
>believe that anyone would *choose* *Hard Copy* as their venue for such a
>revelation.
I agree with Susan here. KRichards1 seriously put his credibility in doubt
with the "Kevin Max Smith is a rebellious prick" posting.
Henry K. Olden
On 30 Jan 1997, Chuck Pearson wrote to Beverly White:
> : Okay, I'm treating this as a hypothetical until I see press confirmations
> : (no ZTV in Canada, other than the Bollywood show on Vision, and I *hate*
> : Hard Copy, so didn't see that; I'll be getting papers over the next few
> : days), but a few things:
>
> let's, but the fact that someone has gone to so much detail and has a
> reference [albeit one of the sleaziest TV shows on the planet] makes me a
> lot less likely to scream "sit down and shut up."
Of course, the Phil Keaggy/Jimmy Hendrix thing and the Donahue/P&G thing
both have tv show references, too.
Henry K. Olden
hol...@email.unc.edu
Steve White
In article <sprucegoose-30...@smf-g9.facsmf.utexas.edu> spruc...@mail.utexas.edu (Linc Leifeste) writes:
>In article <5cquou$l4m$1...@kirin.wwa.com>, las...@wwa.com (Matt Laswell) wrote:
>
>> KRichards1 (krich...@aol.com) wrote:
>> : I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
>>
>> Has anybody else seen these reports firsthand? I'm thinking of all
>> the people who believed the fraudulent claims that the president of
>> Proctor and Gamble had gone on been on Donahue and claimed to be a
<snip>
>
>exactly. it seems rather strange that nobody but this guy (who thinks
>kevin smith is a rebellious prick) has heard of this groundbreaking story
>that was covered on a nationally known (and respected, of course) tabloid
>television show. of course, i would like to think the average rmc'er would
>be above watching tabloid television, but something tells me...
I agree. No one can verify this story. I have from the start doubted the
integrity of the information. Curious, I looked at some news sites on
the web and saw no mention of this anywhere, which to me would indicate
that the claims of a "confession" are invalid.
And why did the original poster call it a confession?...I'l save that
for later....
Steve
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Chuck Pearson
Cheef Dan (chee...@netaxs.com) wrote:
: so, basically we're saying (if it's true such a press conference
: occurred), that Kevin Smith has confessed to having temptations which he
: didn't give in to.
: Oh, what a horrid Christian witness.
indeed! i mean, if we evangelical folk are so far gone that we're lining
up to crucify a guy over having *thoughts*, what next?
chuck, who still isn't quite beliving all this for exactly that reason. i
don't think we *are* that far gone. but even the prospect...*shudder*
Matt Laswell
KRichards1 (krich...@aol.com) wrote:
: I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
: and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay.
Has anybody else seen these reports firsthand? I'm thinking of all
the people who believed the fraudulent claims that the president of
Proctor and Gamble had gone on been on Donahue and claimed to be a
Satanist. Just because somebody says the stuff was on a popular TV
show doesn't mean it actually was. Quite honestly, I haven't seen any
reason to believe a word KRichards1 saysa at this point. He's demonstrated
that he has some sort of axe to grind already.
Don't believe the hype.
- matt
Chuck Pearson
Lyle Beidler (lkb...@psu.edu) wrote:
: My question is: since when has Hard Copy cared about the Christian music
: scene?
does the name "michael english" mean anything to you?
chuck. if such a press conference occured, hard copy *would* be the first in
line to cover it...
Steve White
In article <19970130202...@ladder01.news.aol.com> jst...@aol.com (JSTYLL) writes:
>You KNOW that your post to r.m.c. about Kevin Smith's "confession" is an
>absolute fabrication, but did you know that it's illegal to maliciously
>make false statements about someone, even if they're a public figure?
>
>If you're smart, you'll admit your hoax. You are putting yourself in a
>vulnerable position. I wouldn't be surprised if you heard from Smith's
>attorneys. I doubt they'll find any humor in your little prank.
>
>As a magazine publisher, I am well-versed in libel laws. I'm just passing
>on some advice to you: retract, retract, retract. Besides being illegal,
>this kind of thing is irresponsible and immoral and definitely has no
>place on r.m.c.
>
Very true. I just got finished with a class on media & law. I agree;
you must immediately retract, and even then, that doesn't mean much.
Especially coming from a private citizen - you don't have the right
to say these things - you might think you have free speech, but in
the U.S., slander & libel aren't valid uses of free speech.
If there was any malicious intent behind this, that could be bad news.
Linc Leifeste
exactly. it seems rather strange that nobody but this guy (who thinks
kevin smith is a rebellious prick) has heard of this groundbreaking story
that was covered on a nationally known (and respected, of course) tabloid
television show. of course, i would like to think the average rmc'er would
be above watching tabloid television, but something tells me...
-linc
JSTYLL
You KNOW that your post to r.m.c. about Kevin Smith's "confession" is an
absolute fabrication, but did you know that it's illegal to maliciously
make false statements about someone, even if they're a public figure?
If you're smart, you'll admit your hoax. You are putting yourself in a
vulnerable position. I wouldn't be surprised if you heard from Smith's
attorneys. I doubt they'll find any humor in your little prank.
As a magazine publisher, I am well-versed in libel laws. I'm just passing
on some advice to you: retract, retract, retract. Besides being illegal,
this kind of thing is irresponsible and immoral and definitely has no
place on r.m.c.
Seriously,
--John
Dannyboy
On 30 Jan 1997, Chuck Pearson wrote:
> Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote in response to KRichards1 <krich...@aol.com>:
> : >I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
> : >and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay. He said he has been
> : >struggling with the problem and trying to let God work through him. He
> : >still wants to be able to bring Gods word to people all around the world
> : >via music, but we'll just have to see how the Christian Music industry
> : >takes this. Although Kevin Smith has had no gay experiences, he has
> : >admitted to having gay tendencies. His current girlfriend has known about
> : >this for some time and is helping him through his struggles.
>
> ye gawds. so THIS is what all the hullabaloo is about?
>
I have severe doubts about the legitimacy of this claim.
(1) Hard Copy doesn't seem like the right source for this information, as
Susan stated.
(2) I did a little research on dejanews and there are several aol accounts
involved in this thread with only a few very recent posts to rmc, and we
all know how easy it is to get a free temporary aol account.
(3) this is a perfect thread to start a flame war
(4) I have yet to see any confirmation from a familiar poster.
> : * If Kevin is maintaining an active heterosexual relationship in the face
> : of all of this, the factual term is "bisexual." It's *far* too easy to
> : fall into the trap of polarized sexuality (straight or gay, no in-between,
> : is not reality). Obviously, no one can speak for his heart, mind, and soul
> : except him, and I'll respect any self-identification he chooses.
>
> yee. i won't even debate bev on this one.
>
I'll agree with her. I've known to many "in-between" people at different
places in the spectrum to disagree.
> is anybody else just a little slightly troubled at the implications of this?
>
If this rumor is true, it doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is
how the CCM culture will probably react to it, but I suppose we need to
learn somehow.
> and, quite frankly, i really don't have any reason to believe that the men
> of dct aren't a little more progressive than that, that this is the type
> of thing you talk over with your close friends, and you [privately] seek
> counseling over, maybe, but you CERTAINLY don't go in front of the press
> and confess your innermost *thoughts*...!
Again assuiming the rumor is true, I agree with you that Kevin shouldn't
have to state a thing to the public, but at the same time I find it very
admirable anytime someone admits the truth when it won't be welcomed.
>
> : * This could be a really scary platform for Exodus International, though...
>
> i don't even want to GO there yet.
>
I don't even know where there is. :)
Dannyboy- somewhere on the heterosexual side of the dial.
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Cheef Dan
Lyle Beidler (lkb...@psu.edu) wrote:
: My question is: since when has Hard Copy cared about the Christian music
: scene?
When was the last time you saw a clergyperson profiled who wasn't involved
in some kind of scandal? Not just on hardcopy, but on "real" network
news.
Bev
In article <5cqupc$8...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
Chuck Pearson <cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
>chuck, who still isn't quite beliving all this for exactly that reason. i
> don't think we *are* that far gone. but even the prospect...*shudder*
*sigh*
read any good exit-counseling testimonies lately?
we are. we've been there for years.
i mean, dear lord: http://206.160.206.77/index.html *shudder*
i'm not surprised so many people stay in the closet.
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James Blind
jst...@aol.com (JSTYLL) writes:
>Seriously,
>--John
For possibly the first time in my life I can honestly say I 1000% agree
with John Styll......wow.....gotta write this one down :)
James
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Henry K. Olden
On 30 Jan 1997, Ruth Anne Francis wrote:
> Just a quick point.
> I don't like the idea of labeling people either, but didn't Jesus say that
> a man who has committeed adultery and a man who has thought about
> committing adultery have commmitteed the same sin? I could be
> misremembering the passage here, and I don't have my Bible with me (I'm at
> work) to check up on myself.
No, Jesus didn't say that. Yes, you are misremembering the passage. He
said that if a man has looked upon a woman lustfully, then he has
committed adultry in his heart. At least in my reading, there would be a
difference between thinking about committing adultry and lusting after a
woman (though the difference may be small and pretty much a debate over
the shades of meaning, with thinking about it being a more analytical
third personish thing and lusting being and involved first person thing).
Henry K. Olden
hol...@email.unc.edu
Bev
In article <01bc0ed8$26fbeb20$39dd71cf@stooge>,
Jerry & Dianna Bush <sto...@cardina.net> wrote:
>and what did the troll under the bridge say?
"In the NAME OF THE MOON, I'll PUNISH you!"
On to a more pleasant topic -- Sailor Moon: a healthy influence on
children being raised in a Christian paradigm? Discuss.
-- bev, periodic caretaker of three lovely little girls who think that
if *their* mommy had made them magical scepters and sailor
costumes, everything would be okay. bev has to remind these little
girls that it's just a cartoon, but they seem bent on posing in
odd ways and tracing circles of light in the air. bev would consider
turning off the show, but it has become to her what soap operas
are to bored housewives.
p.s.: beable.
Jerry & Dianna Bush
> > I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard
Copy
> > and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay.
and what did the troll under the bridge say?
Steve White
In article <19970130121...@ladder01.news.aol.com> theo...@aol.com (Theoaspis) writes:
>krich...@aol.com (KRichards1) said:
>>Although Kevin Smith has had no gay experiences, he has
>>admitted to having gay tendencies. His current girlfriend has known
>>about
>work
>>his way in Kevin's life just as he has always done.
>
>If what you say is true I don't think that it is fair to refer to him as
>"gay." Just because someone faces temptations in a particular area
>doesn't mean that he should be labelled as if he is performing that
>activity. People that fantasize about robbing convenience stores aren't
>thieves until they actually do it
Yep. A person occasionally has gay tendencies, yet has never acted on
them, and he's labeled gay. That same person has heterosexual tendencies
and acts on tem (by getting a girlfriend) and we don't make a point of
it. Just becuase Smtth might struggle in an area doesn't mean he's gay.
>
>I also would like to know why you wished him and his family well when in
>your last post regarding him you said:
>
>>Kevin Max Smith is a rebellious prick.
>
>Who is the one acting like a prick?
>
Agred!
Joe Kimbler
On Thu, 30 Jan 1997 18:31:34 GMT, lkb...@psu.edu (Lyle Beidler) wrote:
>I agree with Susan here. KRichards1 seriously put his credibility in doubt
>with the "Kevin Max Smith is a rebellious prick" posting.
>
>My question is: since when has Hard Copy cared about the Christian music
>scene?
I think that if there is sleeze to be had, some programs will go
there. However..as to the reason this was all started doesn't it seem
a bit strange to anyone that this would have not come out before. DC
Talk has been around for a long time...a very long time. With all the
inuendo about Kevin "looks gay" (which I don't agree with anyways) it
only because of their recent change in direction. Look at "Free at
Last" if looks are anything.
Being in the radio business and someone who deals with CCM every day,
it's strange to me that I have not heard anything else about this
subject except from this group by only a few people. I hadn't even
heard the rumors before I read them here.
-Joe
Henry K. Olden
On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Dannyboy wrote:
> I have severe doubts about the legitimacy of this claim.
> (1) Hard Copy doesn't seem like the right source for this information, as
> Susan stated.
> (2) I did a little research on dejanews and there are several aol accounts
> involved in this thread with only a few very recent posts to rmc, and we
> all know how easy it is to get a free temporary aol account.
Further, krich...@aol.com is listed as having made only four posts to
UseNet at this time. It's not amazing that all four had to do with this
subject.
Henry K. Olden
hol...@email.unc.edu
John Cristion
Ruth Anne Francis <rfra...@voyager.eng.gulfaero.com> wrote in article
<5cqcd7$d...@voyager.eng.gulfaero.com>...
> In article <19970130121...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> Theoaspis <theo...@aol.com> wrote:
> >If what you say is true I don't think that it is fair to refer to him
as
> >"gay." Just because someone faces temptations in a particular area
> >doesn't mean that he should be labelled as if he is performing that
> >activity. People that fantasize about robbing convenience stores aren't
> >thieves until they actually do it
>
> I don't like the idea of labeling people either, but didn't Jesus say
that
> a man who has committeed adultery and a man who has thought about
> committing adultery have commmitteed the same sin? I could be
> misremembering the passage here, and I don't have my Bible with me (I'm
at
> work) to check up on myself.
to
> post tomorrow.
>
>
> Ruth Ann
Yes, Jesus did make such a statement, but I think that we often miss the
whole point. What HE was saying was that we're ALL guilty of these types
of sins. All of us have coveted something that wasn't ours, lusted in our
hearts,
stole in our minds, etc. If anyone thinks that they haven't, then I'd like
to meet
them, because the Bible also says "For all have sinned and come short of
the
glory of GOD," but the great news is that all are covered by the blood of
Jesus.
God bless,
John
austen's loudmouth dad nick
In <media.creation-...@pm3-02-dyn4-66.nash.telalink.net>
media.c...@vision3.com (Lucas W. Hendrickson) writes:
>
>In article <19970130054...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>krich...@aol.com (KRichards1) wrote:
>
>[More slanderous crap snipped]
>
>When are you people going to learn? Either a) you're trying, for your
>own amusement, to troll around so people will believe things like this
>(which, knowing this group, they tend to believe the worst) or b) you
>really believe you saw something like this on T.V., which tells me
>you're living in an even more delusional world than the rest of us.
the guy basically said that kevin smith has confessed to being like
every other male who has ever lived. the brainiac has no idea how to
troll. just ignore it. it's not worth the time, really.
peace,
NiCk
soulbelly.
url coming soon!!
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NiCk - drummer - computerer - austen's dad - all-around wuzzy guy
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austen's loudmouth dad nick
In <30JAN97.17...@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU> Steve White
<O8...@SDSUMUS.SDSTATE.EDU> writes:
>
>In article <sprucegoose-30...@smf-g9.facsmf.utexas.edu>
>spruc...@mail.utexas.edu (Linc Leifeste) writes:
>>Laswell) wrote:
>>
>>> KRichards1 (krich...@aol.com) wrote:
>>> : Hard Copy and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay.
>>>
>>> the people who believed the fraudulent claims that the president
>>> of Proctor and Gamble had gone on been on Donahue and claimed to
>>> be a
>>
>>exactly. it seems rather strange that nobody but this guy (who thinks
>>kevin smith is a rebellious prick) has heard of this groundbreaking
>>story that was covered on a nationally known (and respected, of
>>course) tabloid television show. of course, i would like to think the
>>average rmc'er would be above watching tabloid television, but
>>something tells me...
>
>the integrity of the information. Curious, I looked at some news sites
>on the web and saw no mention of this anywhere, which to me would
>indicate that the claims of a "confession" are invalid.
>And why did the original poster call it a confession?...I'l save that
>for later....
john styll from ccm has already posted here regarding this lame rumour,
discrediting it. maybe i'm just naive, but i'd be willing to bet that
the christian zines have a vested interest in bands like dct.
point is, if there was a press conference, mr. styll would know about
it.
peace,
NiCk
soulbelly.
url coming soon!!
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"...herds of wild felt hogs roaming the countryside" - muffinhead
NiCk - drummer - computerer - austen's dad - all-around wuzzy guy
sit back. relax. you are in soulbelly country.
the world of soulbelly can be reached at 818.562.1491. thank you.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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here is my handle | i'd buy you a fur coat
here is my other handle | but not a real fur coat
oh crap, i'm a sugar bowl | that's cruel_ - b.l.
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little b
j anderson <j.and...@www.mebbs.com> wrote:
>(blah blah blah)
>
> J ...she just smiled and turned away.
Hey. It took me a few seconds, but is your sig a reference to Don
McLean? If so, color me impressed with a big, fat Marks-A-Lot.
Johnny Brian
Indiana University
Joe Kimbler
On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 02:52:37 GMT, fai...@ziplink.net (Deb, or Kris,
or Sara, or David, or Rachel) wrote:
> If we are all christian's like we claim to be then this
>gossiping needs to go. This is hurting a lot of people. I can't stand to see
>this continue!!! Please let it end here!!
That's the problem...not all the people here are Christians. They
wonder in here to cause problems. They are welcome to do so, it's a
free country. We just have to have enough judgment to know not to
help continue these rumors. And, like Sara here said, they are just
rumors.
-Joe
Joe Kimbler
Folks...I'll probably get burned for saying this but it seems to me
that these people are just good at pulling our collective chains.
They have been able to keep us all going in THREE different threads.
I see it as the more we try to dispute the untruths, the more ammo we
give them for posting stuff like this.
There is no truth to any of this...none....not a thing. There have
been no confessions, no truth to any of this at all. I could be
wrong, but wouldn't it be best to just drop it?
...but I have been wrong before...
-Joe Kimbler
Deb, or Kris, or Sara, or David, or Rachel
On 30 Jan 1997 05:47:02 GMT, krich...@aol.com (KRichards1) wrote:
>I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
>and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay.
I don't know if anyone else has been following this thing, but didn't you guys
read what Denny said when all of this first started. Denny is DC Talk's
manager. He spends more time with DC Talk than anyone it seems. Denny said
it's not true and I believe him. I know Kevin, I have for a few years. Please
listen to me!!! These are RUMORS nothing else. For those of you who
believe everything you hear on TV i feel very sorry for you. Please let this
whole thing end here. If we are all christian's like we claim to be then this
gossiping needs to go. This is hurting a lot of people. I can't stand to see
this continue!!! Please let it end here!!
SARA
Chuck Pearson
JSTYLL (jst...@aol.com) wrote:
: You KNOW that your post to r.m.c. about Kevin Smith's "confession" is an
: absolute fabrication, but did you know that it's illegal to maliciously
: make false statements about someone, even if they're a public figure?
it's a hoax, folks.
i think our bro mr. styll has a *wee* bit more credibility 'round these
parts than most other folks with aol.com addresses...
chuck. sorry...
Chuck Pearson
Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote in response to Jerry & Dianna Bush
<sto...@cardina.net>:
: >and what did the troll under the bridge say?
: "In the NAME OF THE MOON, I'll PUNISH you!"
: On to a more pleasant topic -- Sailor Moon: a healthy influence on
: children being raised in a Christian paradigm? Discuss.
it's anime. next question.
: -- bev, periodic caretaker of three lovely little girls who think that
: if *their* mommy had made them magical scepters and sailor
: costumes, everything would be okay. bev has to remind these little
: girls that it's just a cartoon, but they seem bent on posing in
: odd ways and tracing circles of light in the air. bev would consider
: turning off the show, but it has become to her what soap operas
: are to bored housewives.
do the honorable thing. rent bugs bunny/road runner videotapes instead. 8-)
or, alternatively, if you MUST have christian influence, veggietales.
: p.s.: beable.
hum?
chuck, who REFUSES to let amelia watch ANY cartoons outside of bugs and larry.
Chuck Pearson
Henry K. Olden (hol...@email.unc.edu) wrote:
: > let's, but the fact that someone has gone to so much detail and has a
: > reference [albeit one of the sleaziest TV shows on the planet] makes me a
: > lot less likely to scream "sit down and shut up."
: Of course, the Phil Keaggy/Jimmy Hendrix thing and the Donahue/P&G thing
: both have tv show references, too.
y'know, i thought of that right after i saw krichards' "rebellious prick"
post.
*sigh* one of these days...
chuck
The Infamous Mr Blue
On Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:42:43 -0500, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Dannyboy wrote:
>
>> I have severe doubts about the legitimacy of this claim.
>> (1) Hard Copy doesn't seem like the right source for this information, as
>> Susan stated.
>> (2) I did a little research on dejanews and there are several aol accounts
>> involved in this thread with only a few very recent posts to rmc, and we
>> all know how easy it is to get a free temporary aol account.
Also you can have 5 email addresses @ aol
Donnie
who happily left AOL a year ago
retr...@aol.com
In article <19970130054...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
krich...@aol.com (KRichards1) writes:
>From: krich...@aol.com (KRichards1)
>Date: 30 Jan 1997 05:47:02 GMT
Dear Mr. K Richards...
I've printed your libel...oh, sorry, letter..., and will forward it (by
fax) to True Artist Management upon arrival at work this morning.
See ya'...wouldn't wanna be ya'...
the Retroman
Bev
In article <5ct8b8$2...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
Chuck Pearson <cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
>Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote in response to Jerry & Dianna Bush
><sto...@cardina.net>:
>: children being raised in a Christian paradigm? Discuss.
>
>it's anime. next question.
That doesn't answer the question, chuck....
Whasswrong with anime? I mean, I'm not showin' em the cool stuff with the
monsters and the three-foot phallic appendages.
>: -- bev, periodic caretaker of three lovely little girls who think that
>: if *their* mommy had made them magical scepters and sailor
>: costumes, everything would be okay. bev has to remind these little
>: girls that it's just a cartoon, but they seem bent on posing in
>: odd ways and tracing circles of light in the air. bev would consider
>: turning off the show, but it has become to her what soap operas
>: are to bored housewives.
>
>do the honorable thing. rent bugs bunny/road runner videotapes instead. 8-)
>or, alternatively, if you MUST have christian influence, veggietales.
No VCR.
See, while I respect whatever choices they make faithwise (and they're
pretty smart as kids go -- "mommy," they call me this for some reason
I don't understand because I'm not their mommy, but anyhow, says one,
"mommy," she says, "why does mary daly talk so funny all the time? she's
not SAYING anything"), I would like to keep what they see in the realm
of intelligent and edifying. I can't always keep their little brains busy
with books, as much as they do seem to enjoy Harlan Ellison and my Java
book, and dang straight they're NOT getting at the computers or my drives
will be chock full of evil games and such whatnot filth as the wretched
Tetris, so at times it falls to the evil box of doom.
I dunno if I've ever talked about the kids with you, chuck. They're pretty
unique.
>: p.s.: beable.
>
>hum?
beable beable beable.
Chuck Pearson
Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) and i, talking about nothing in particular:
: >it's anime. next question.
: That doesn't answer the question, chuck....
does for me. american animators kick serious behind. all else is sorry crap.
: Whasswrong with anime? I mean, I'm not showin' em the cool stuff with the
: monsters and the three-foot phallic appendages.
then you're showing them mindless tripe that hain saban or whatever his
name is has coopted for the sole purpose of making everybody under the age
of 12 believe he's the second coming. see.
: >do the honorable thing. rent bugs bunny/road runner videotapes instead. 8-)
: >or, alternatively, if you MUST have christian influence, veggietales.
: No VCR.
dang. then wait until saturday mornings at 10 AM and...wait. dang.
you're in canada. can you get american TV?
: See, while I respect whatever choices they make faithwise (and they're
: pretty smart as kids go -- "mommy," they call me this for some reason
: I don't understand because I'm not their mommy, but anyhow, says one,
: "mommy," she says, "why does mary daly talk so funny all the time? she's
: not SAYING anything"), I would like to keep what they see in the realm
: of intelligent and edifying. I can't always keep their little brains busy
: with books, as much as they do seem to enjoy Harlan Ellison and my Java
: book, and dang straight they're NOT getting at the computers or my drives
: will be chock full of evil games and such whatnot filth as the wretched
: Tetris, so at times it falls to the evil box of doom.
don't do it. resist. there has to be something. music, perchance? i
mean, even amelia digs king's x...
stimulating conversation about absolutely nothing in particular? this is
what i pull off every time i get to hang with the ten-year-olds next door.
somehow or another we can start talking about the latest computer game i
got [an old wayne gretzky-licensed arcade hockey thingy] and the
conversation will flow from music to theology to the science of recorded
media to what graduate school's like to...and on and on and on. all in
the course of twenty minutes or so.
: I dunno if I've ever talked about the kids with you, chuck. They're pretty
: unique.
don't think you have.
: >: p.s.: beable.
: >hum?
: beable beable beable.
hum hum hum?
: -+- wedn...@tezcat.com -+- b e v -+- beverley r. white -+-
: heck... she's stayin' savvy from CANADA... and okay, there's lots of
: canadian bacon, but think of the TELNET LAG tormenting her! - Dr. Derek Robb
ugg. telnet lag. i hate those things.
chuck, who will
joan nieng
cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Chuck Pearson) writes:
>Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) wrote in response to Jerry & Dianna Bush
><sto...@cardina.net>:
>: >and what did the troll under the bridge say?
>: "In the NAME OF THE MOON, I'll PUNISH you!"
>: On to a more pleasant topic -- Sailor Moon: a healthy influence on
>: children being raised in a Christian paradigm? Discuss.
>it's anime. next question.
Hey. Anime is far superior to a lot of the cartoon schlock that's
seen here in the U.S. :)
cathy
joan nieng
cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Chuck Pearson) writes:
>Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) and i, talking about nothing in particular:
>: >it's anime. next question.
>: That doesn't answer the question, chuck....
>does for me. american animators kick serious behind. all else is sorry crap.
The previous sentence screams out "I have never seen any anime other
than Speed Racer, therefore I hold this opinion." :)
cathy
LbrtyFlame
>I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
>struggling with the problem and trying to let God work through him. He
>still wants to be able to bring Gods word to people all around the world
>via music, but we'll just have to see how the Christian Music industry
>takes this. Although Kevin Smith has had no gay experiences, he has
>admitted to having gay tendencies. His current girlfriend has known
about
>this for some time and is helping him through his struggles. So, all in
>all, Kevin has done nothing wrong...just thoughts, I guess. God will
work
Kevin,
>his girlfriend, and the rest of the Smith family.
I saw that too. It's too bad and it's unfortunate. He is in fact a
fruity fudge packer.
~Liberty Flame~
Scott McClare
In article <rberman-3001...@maclab2.utmem.edu>,
Robert Berman <rbe...@utmem1.utmem.edu> wrote:
>I'm always amused by how much press this sort of thing gets. It's like
>when Jimmy Carter admitted having lusted, and the news media went on a
>feeding frenzy. Guess what, folks--Anyone who thinks they're immune to
>any given temptation had better watch themselves! (I Cor 13:10)
Right.
>I personally don't believe that there are any of us without "gay
>tendencies", just as there are none of us without "hate tendencies",
>"rebellion tendencies", or any other sin you care to name.
[raises hand] I'll have to disagree on that one. I can't recall ever
feeling anything that could be termed "gay tendencies." Frankly, I'm
revolted by the idea. It's one of those sins that I've never at all
been tempted by. (As for the rest of the catalogue, well, no
comment.)
>I'm not coming down on you in particular, krichards. But it just doesn't
>seem to me that this sort of "revelation" by Kevin Smith should come as a
>shocker to anyone who's honest with themselves.
Right on. Besides, the idea that "hey, I have a girlfriend but I've
*thought* of the idea of being with men, though I haven't acted on the
thoughts" is somehow a MAJOR SCANDAL - even assuming it to be true,
and there's been no concrete documentation as yet - is frankly
ridiculous.
Scott
--
Scott A. McClare SP 3, GGBC 42, KoX, <*>
Scott's Chunk of the Web <http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/samcclar/>
Criminal Cult <http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/samcclar/Scientology/>
"Mock on, Mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau" - William Blake
Scott McClare
In article <5cqejq$2...@netaxs.com>, Cheef Dan <chee...@netaxs.com> wrote:
>so, basically we're saying (if it's true such a press conference
>occurred), that Kevin Smith has confessed to having temptations which he
>didn't give in to.
>
>Oh, what a horrid Christian witness.
The other day I was tempted to help out some homeless guy on the
street. I confess . . . I didn't give into the temptation; I had my
witness to think of, after all. 8-)
Scott McClare
In article <5cquou$l4m$1...@kirin.wwa.com>, Matt Laswell <las...@wwa.com> wrote:
>: I just watched the Kevin Max Smith/DC Talk press conference on Hard Copy
>: and also on Ztv today. Kevin Smith is in fact gay.
>Has anybody else seen these reports firsthand?
<doubting_thomas>
No, and unless I see an airing date for the _Hard Copy_ program in
question, and a proper mailing address to which I can write and verify
that they did, in fact, cover this story on that date, then I will not
believe.
</doubting_thomas>
Chuck Pearson
not joan, but cathE! nieng (ni...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote in response to me:
: >: >it's anime. next question.
: >: That doesn't answer the question, chuck....
: >does for me. american animators kick serious behind. all else is sorry crap.
: The previous sentence screams out "I have never seen any anime other
: than Speed Racer, therefore I hold this opinion." :)
actually, we had an anime freak living on scharpenberg 3 at rose-hulman
back when i was a sophmore. i saw all kinds of the stuff.
*none* of it came close to comparing to the absolute greatness of 1950's
warner brothers.
chuck. actually, i should amend the thought to "american animators, circa
1955, kick serious behind..." because most animation that network
television shows today *is* sorry crap.
who animates "doug", though? i don't dig the series, but the
animation work's pretty good...
Cheef Dan
joan nieng (ni...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Hey. Anime is far superior to a lot of the cartoon schlock that's
: seen here in the U.S. :)
That's right!
Everybody knows imported schlock is better.
--
"There seems, by the way, to be nothing pending in the Christian
Coalition`s political wish list about sheltering the homeless, feeding the
hungry, or clothing the naked, unless, of course, the naked got that way
for fun." - Tom Teepen, Cox News Service
Chuck Pearson
Cheef Dan (chee...@netaxs.com) wrote in response to not joan, but cathy
nieng (ni...@students.uiuc.edu):
: : Hey. Anime is far superior to a lot of the cartoon schlock that's
: : seen here in the U.S. :)
: That's right!
: Everybody knows imported schlock is better.
you know, i would say that the Mighty CheefDan! is my hero, but i can't
get over that nudity thing. y'know?
chuck, who LIKES being clothed, dang it.
Bev
LbrtyFlame <lbrty...@aol.com> wrote:
>I saw that too. It's too bad and it's unfortunate. He is in fact a
>fruity fudge packer.
Nice to see Christian compassion and love and respect and all that
still doesn't extend to nonheterosexuals.
--
Scott Bannerman
In article <19970131222...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
lbrty...@aol.com (LbrtyFlame) wrote:
>I saw that too. It's too bad and it's unfortunate. He is in fact a
>fruity fudge packer.
>
>~Liberty Flame~
Somebody PLEASE post when this guy (Lbrty Flame) is arrested...
Anxiously waiting...
Scott
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Jason and Heather
Bev <wedn...@tezcat.com> wrote:
>
> I can't always keep their little brains busy with books, as much as
Verily, these kids will be o-kay.
jason
r.m.c resident atheist
--
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like a man, smoke like a man, have her hair cut like a man, and go without
restrictions and without chaperones and obey nobody."
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Jason and Heather
hazelnut <peg...@scf.usc.edu> wrote:
> Chuck Pearson wrote:
> >american animators kick serious behind. all else is sorry crap.
>
> robotech???
Ghost in the Shell.
Bev
In article <5ctp12$q...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
Chuck Pearson <cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
>Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) and i, talking about nothing in particular:
>
>: That doesn't answer the question, chuck....
>
You have obviously never seen anything by Nelvana...
>: Whasswrong with anime? I mean, I'm not showin' em the cool stuff with the
>: monsters and the three-foot phallic appendages.
>
>then you're showing them mindless tripe that hain saban or whatever his
>name is has coopted for the sole purpose of making everybody under the age
>of 12 believe he's the second coming. see.
Sailor Moon, as fluff goes, is actually pretty non-tripish.
dic!
>dang. then wait until saturday mornings at 10 AM and...wait. dang.
>you're in canada. can you get american TV?
Sure can. I have cable. :)
>stimulating conversation about absolutely nothing in particular? this is
>what i pull off every time i get to hang with the ten-year-olds next door.
>somehow or another we can start talking about the latest computer game i
>got [an old wayne gretzky-licensed arcade hockey thingy] and the
>conversation will flow from music to theology to the science of recorded
>media to what graduate school's like to...and on and on and on. all in
>the course of twenty minutes or so.
Other than religion and stuffed toys, we really don't talk about all that
much -- they're pretty quiet. Occasionally, I hear the odd "bunny!" out
of one of them, but elsewise...
>: beable beable beable.
>
>hum hum hum?
BEABLE.
hazelnut
Chuck Pearson wrote:
>american animators kick serious behind. all else is sorry crap.
what??? i find japanese animators to be incredible!! what about
robotech???
-hazelnut -- who used to have a crush on rick hunter from robotech
(yes, a *cartoon* character).
Dru
Last thing *I'd* heard about Kevin is that he was engaged... :))
--
The World says I'm crazy, but I'm just.... Radically Saved!!
Get Thee behind me, Satan; I'm not 4 sale.
Mattias G. Hembruch
In article <5ctp12$q...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
Chuck Pearson <cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
>Bev (wedn...@tezcat.com) and i, talking about nothing in particular:
>: >it's anime. next question.
>
>: That doesn't answer the question, chuck....
>
>
>: Whasswrong with anime? I mean, I'm not showin' em the cool stuff with the
>: monsters and the three-foot phallic appendages.
>
>then you're showing them mindless tripe that hain saban or whatever his
>name is has coopted for the sole purpose of making everybody under the age
>of 12 believe he's the second coming. see.
>
>: >or, alternatively, if you MUST have christian influence, veggietales.
>
>: No VCR.
>
>you're in canada. can you get american TV?
Bugs Bunny Road Runner Hour. I believe Saturdays from 5:00pm to 6:00pm on
Global - originates in Toronto so even if Bev's TV was located inside a lead
bombshelter, which was erected beside a nuclear reactor, in a room full of
high-speed unshielded computers and her antenna was a straigtened-out
paperclip, she should get perfect reception.
[CUT]
>: -+- wedn...@tezcat.com -+- b e v -+- beverley r. white -+-
>: heck... she's stayin' savvy from CANADA... and okay, there's lots of
>: canadian bacon, but think of the TELNET LAG tormenting her! - Dr. Derek Robb
>
>ugg. telnet lag. i hate those things.
WHAT telnet lag? Bev should be one or two hops away from U of T which has a
T2 or T4 or something to MIT or U of Chicago or someplace like that.. Wish I
had as good access here :-(
Mattias
--
Mattias Hembruch, University of Waterloo. Where time has no meaning,
BASc Computer Engineering, MASc Candidate our reason does not apply.
Parallel & Distributed Systems Group K. Livgren
mghe...@dictator.uwaterloo.ca http://www.pads.uwaterloo.ca/~mghembru
Deb, or Kris, or Sara, or David, or Rachel
On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 05:31:12 GMT, jkim...@uslink.net (Joe Kimbler) wrote:
>On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 02:52:37 GMT, fai...@ziplink.net (Deb, or Kris,
>or Sara, or David, or Rachel) wrote:
>
>> If we are all christian's like we claim to be then this
>>gossiping needs to go. This is hurting a lot of people. I can't stand to see
>>this continue!!! Please let it end here!!
>
>That's the problem...not all the people here are Christians. They
>wonder in here to cause problems. They are welcome to do so, it's a
>free country. We just have to have enough judgment to know not to
>help continue these rumors. And, like Sara here said, they are just
>rumors.
>
>-Joe
>
>
Joe,
Thanks for backing me up. Maybe some people will finally understand how much
this could hurt Kevin. I'm really starting to wonder if this Liberty Flame is
the gay one!!!
SARA
joan nieng
cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Chuck Pearson) writes:
>not joan, but cathE! nieng (ni...@students.uiuc.edu) wrote in response to me:
>: >: >it's anime. next question.
>: >: That doesn't answer the question, chuck....
>: >does for me. american animators kick serious behind. all else is sorry crap.
>: The previous sentence screams out "I have never seen any anime other
>: than Speed Racer, therefore I hold this opinion." :)
>actually, we had an anime freak living on scharpenberg 3 at rose-hulman
>back when i was a sophmore. i saw all kinds of the stuff.
Yeah, some of it -is- bad. I hope you didn't have to suffer through
any of the cyberpoliceslut ones.
>*none* of it came close to comparing to the absolute greatness of 1950's
>warner brothers.
I'll give you that one, to an extent. Of course, a lot of it comes
down to personal taste. What I like about anime is the way the characters
are drawn and the variety and creativity in subject matter. Sure, there's
a lot of generic robot war stuff, but in general I've observed that
Japanese animators can write much better and more captivating story
lines than American ones. Plus, the comedic stories jive better with
my sense of humor--there's a lot of clever, quirky stuff and less of
the slapstick you find for example in Ren and Stimpy, Tom and Jerry,
and even Warner Brothers.
>chuck. actually, i should amend the thought to "american animators, circa
> 1955, kick serious behind..." because most animation that network
> television shows today *is* sorry crap.
Agreed. I really like The Simpsons, though.
> who animates "doug", though? i don't dig the series, but the
> animation work's pretty good...
I dunno! :)
cathy
joan nieng
stei...@primenet.com, Atheist-in-residence, writes:
>hazelnut <peg...@scf.usc.edu> wrote:
>> Chuck Pearson wrote:
>> >american animators kick serious behind. all else is sorry crap.
>>
>> what??? i find japanese animators to be incredible!! what about
>> robotech???
>Ghost in the Shell.
Forever and ever amen. Awesome stuff.
And don't forget the oldie-but-goodie Akira, which also has one of -the-
coolest soundtracks in the world. <---obmusic
cathy
Jerry B. Ray
In article <5ctuhs$l...@login.freenet.columbus.oh.us>,
Chuck Pearson <cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
>>>does for me. american animators kick serious behind. all else is
>>>sorry crap.
Eh, I like Road Runner cartoons, but most other stuff bores me or
annoys me. Especially Bugs Bunny.
That _Anastasia_ movie that they previewed before Star Wars looks
pretty good, if not for the "talking animal disease."
I'm more of an Animaniacs/Simspons kind of guy, myself, but the
anime that I've seen (like Akira) was pretty cool. I LOVE
"Star Blazers," and the good translated version of "Battle of the Planets"
(not the lousy one that they show on the Cartoon Network).
>*none* of it came close to comparing to the absolute greatness of 1950's
>warner brothers.
Yawn.
JRjr
--
%%%%% vap...@prism.gatech.edu %%%%%%%% Jerry B. Ray, Jr. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
"Summer's going fast, nights growing colder
Children growing up, old friends growing older
The innocence slips away..."--Rush, Time Stand Still
Matt Laswell
Ruth Anne Francis (rfra...@voyager.eng.gulfaero.com) wrote:
: Just a quick point.
: I don't like the idea of labeling people either, but didn't Jesus say that
: a man who has committeed adultery and a man who has thought about
: committing adultery have commmitteed the same sin? I could be
: misremembering the passage here, and I don't have my Bible with me (I'm at
: work) to check up on myself.
"You have heard that it was said 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell
you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed
adultery with her in his heart." - Matthew 5:27-28
I don't think this quite says that they're committed the same sin, but
that both are equally guilty. The modifier "in his heart" changes
things, IMHO...
- matt
Matt Laswell
retr...@aol.com wrote:
: In article <19970130054...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
: krich...@aol.com (KRichards1) writes:
: >From: krich...@aol.com (KRichards1)
: >Date: 30 Jan 1997 05:47:02 GMT
: Dear Mr. K Richards...
: I've printed your libel...oh, sorry, letter..., and will forward it (by
: fax) to True Artist Management upon arrival at work this morning.
: See ya'...wouldn't wanna be ya'...
GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
Well done sir!
- matt
Matt Laswell
Mattias G. Hembruch (mghe...@dictator.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
: WHAT telnet lag? Bev should be one or two hops away from U of T which has a
: T2 or T4 or something to MIT or U of Chicago or someplace like that.. Wish I
: had as good access here :-(
T2? T4?
<ahem>
Is this some mutant Canadian telecom standard?
- matt
Aaron Davis
Sorry, guys. Courts have ruled in the past that posts to newsgroups are
not published material. They're nothing more than private conversations,
so a lawsuit for libel is not possible. The only exception is that if the
internet provider makes an attempt to censor any type of post, then the
post is considered published material. Of course, then its the provider
that's held responsible.
There are also many laws concerning the idea of libel and slander towards
a public figure (people vs Larry Flint). You wouls also need to find a
court that would rule the accusation of homosexuality to be 'discrediting'
which may be difficult.
My guess is that True Artist Managment won't care anyway.
Aaron
retr...@aol.com
LbrtyFlame <lbrty...@aol.com> wrote:
>>I saw that too. It's too bad and it's unfortunate. He is in fact a
>>fruity fudge packer.
Ah...I see..now we have, as a witness to K Richards (who has made his
disdain for K. Smith painfully obvious in previous posts), Lbrtyflame (who
also went on record as saying Oasis' "Masterplan" is a new JOC song).
That sounds like there shouldn't be any question as to credibility,
then... uh...yah...right.
the Retroman
Jeremy Choi
Jerry B. Ray wrote:
> Eh, I like Road Runner cartoons, but most other stuff bores me or
> annoys me. Especially Bugs Bunny.
Really? I guess I'm the opposite; I detest Road Runner (wish that one
day, Wile E. Coyote will actually catch the damn thing and kill
it...preferably tying it up, and slowly boiling it to death in a
cauldron). Same for Tweety, as well as that female cat that always seems
to get a stripe painted down her back in the Pepe La Peu (sp.) episodes.
Oh yeah, and that dog that always gives Foghorn Leghorn a hard
time...arrrgh!!!
Now, Bugs is a different story...at least a few of the episodes in which
he appears are not totally predictable, and at least he interacts
with a few more characters within different settings...just my opinion,
of course. : )
--
Jeremy
cho...@istar.ca
http://home.istar.ca/~choiboy
"Sun 'N Run: The suntan lotion that is
also a laxative."
-Dr. Nick Riviera
retr...@aol.com
On: 97-02-01 16:19:41 EST KRichards1 emailed to RetroMan7:
:Dear Mr. K Richards...
:I've printed your libel...oh, sorry, letter..., and will forward it (by
fax) :to True Artist Management upon arrival at work this morning.
:See ya'...wouldn't wanna be ya'...
Oh no, not that!!!! Please don't !! Please!! Fuck you you scouse
schleper.
You know...I just want to make an observation. Perhaps those of you
well-versed in psychology can back me up here. Haven't I read somewhere
that often a person who is intent on witch-hunts to uncover a particular
sin in other people's lives is, in fact, struggling with that very
problem? Hmmm...let's substitute Kevin Smith's name in Mr. Richard's
story with his own, and see what we can learn about Mr. Keith Richards of
Memphis, Tennessee.
In article <19970130054...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
krich...@aol.com (KRichards1) writes:
> [Keith Richards] is in fact gay. He said he has been
>struggling with the problem and trying to let God work through him.
...Although >[Keith Richards] has had no gay experiences, he has admitted
to having gay >tendencies. So, all in all, [Keith] has done nothing
wrong...just thoughts, I guess. >God will work his way in [Keith]'s life
just as he has always done.
Interesting... I knew I chose the wrong major...
the Retroman
loserboy
Jason and Heather <stei...@primenet.com> wrote:
>
>Ghost in the Shell.
amen. selah.
glenn
--
"you thought i had a pure heart, well, i thought you were an angel, girl.
mercy is the silver pearl. will you extend me, will you extend me grace?
just a little grace..." -the choir http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt1636b
Jeremy Choi
Hey, since we're on this topic...
Does anyone remember a Japanese cartoon series which was released in
North America in the very early 80s called Force Five? It had five
series within it: Gaiking, Grandizer, Danguard Ace, Starvengers and
Space Keteers. Haven't seen it in almost a decade, and so far, I haven't
had much luck finding people who remember watching it...
rose
On 30 Jan 1997, Chuck Pearson wrote:
> Lyle Beidler (lkb...@psu.edu) wrote:
> : My question is: since when has Hard Copy cared about the Christian music
> : scene?
>
> does the name "michael english" mean anything to you?
>
> chuck. if such a press conference occured, hard copy *would* be the first in
> line to cover it...
HARD COPY did cover it. I have it on tape around here somewhere.
Peace,
Rose
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rose
On Sat, 1 Feb 1997, rose wrote:
> On 30 Jan 1997, Chuck Pearson wrote:
>
> > Lyle Beidler (lkb...@psu.edu) wrote:
> > : My question is: since when has Hard Copy cared about the Christian music
> > : scene?
> >
> > does the name "michael english" mean anything to you?
> >
> > chuck. if such a press conference occured, hard copy *would* be the first in
> > line to cover it...
>
> HARD COPY did cover it. I have it on tape around here somewhere.
Oops!! I want to clarify that!!! I have Michael English on HARD COPY
*******NOT******* Kevin Smith!!!
Sorry, folks!!
Dallas Koehn
j anderson wrote:
>
> I would like to meet someone, ANYONE who doesn't have homosexual
> tendencies.
Hello, j. I'm Dallas. Nice to meet you.
--Dallas Koehn; tul...@ionet.net
"And whoever else feels as he does, you can
shut the hell up too." --JayDee311
KidPepper
<<so, basically we're saying (if it's true such a press conference
occurred), that Kevin Smith has confessed to having temptations which he
didn't give in to.
Oh, what a horrid Christian witness.>>
Maybe we Christians would have a better inpact on the world if we all
would admit our weaknesses and look the Christ for our strenght.
*****************************************************************************
if your music''s saying nothing save it for the dentist chair
~steve taylor~
no wonder people turn away when i give YOU such a bad name
~the artist formerly known as"leslie"~
******************************************kidp...@aol.com*******************
Jeremy Choi
Matt Laswell wrote:
> T2? T4?
>
> <ahem>
>
> Is this some mutant Canadian telecom standard?
>
> - matt
Don't know about the mutant thing, but as far as I know, the Tx indicates
the speed of a particular internet connection. Most local ISPs have a T1
link, while increasing numbers of local ISPs now offer a T3 link.
LbrtyFlame
I am sorry if I caused you or anybody else any problems. I LbrtyFlame and
KRichards1 am sisncerely sorry for spreading the rumors about Kevin Max
Smith. I have nothing against Kevin Max Smith and I think that DC Talk
and many other fine Christian bands are doing a wonderful job of spreading
God's word to many people around the United States and around the world.
It was a silly joke that I took too far. I am sincerely sorry that I took
it too far and spread the rumors. I never meant for any REAL problem.
Kevin Smith is NOT gay nor has he ever been to my knowledge. I was
childish in my pranks and again I appologize. I didn't know that this
matter would have been discussed so much. And to anyone who took me
seriously, I appologize. And to anyone that I did not act in a
Christianlike manner to, I appologize. My actions were unnecessary and
excessive. Again, I appologize. God bless.
~Liberty Flame~
STR8 GATE
This is getting very tiresome...... and I even hesitate to respond....
however, it is my duty fo present the truth.
First, Kevin Smith or any member of dcTalk has never been interviewed on
Hard Copy. To our knowledge, Hard Copy has never mentioned Kevin Smith or
dc Talk.
Second, Although dcTalk has been interviewed by Z TV on more than one
occasion (the latest just less than a week ago.... but has not yet been
aired), never has there been any discussion of this topic. Based upon
these two facts, it is very obvious that the originator of this thread is
lying.... since he claimed to have seen these "interviews".
KRichards1 you are in grave danger of the judgement of God.
Denny Keitzman
dcTalk Tour Manager
retr...@aol.com
On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 05:31:12 GMT, jkim...@uslink.net (Joe Kimbler) wrote:
>They
>wonder in here to cause problems. They are welcome to do so, it's a
>free country.
Actually, though, they aren't really welcome to distibutute libelous
information on the internet - in our free country or any other. It's
illegal, and they should be held in accordance with the law that protects
those such as Kevin.
the Retroman
retr...@aol.com
In article <abdavis-0102...@cnc037040.concentric.net>,
abd...@concentric.net (Aaron Davis) writes:
>My guess is that True Artist Managment won't care anyway.
Actually, as a wierd twist of "fate", I took the letter to work, and
before I'd gotten time to fax it, I got into someone we share office space
with about an entirely different matter. At one point the DCT issue came
up (on HIS part, not mine), and he told me all the things True Artist and
DCT had been doing to quell these damaging idiocies from being floated
around. Then I was even more motivated to let them know about this
incident.
>You wouls also need to find a
>court that would rule the accusation of homosexuality to be
'discrediting'
>which may be difficult.
Since they sell over a million records to a buying group that would, for
the most part, consider that "confession" HIGHLY discrediting, I don't
think it'd be as hard as you ight htink. Besides - didn't you read John
Styll's (CCM) post. he probably knows a thing or two about publishing
laws, wouldn't you think?
In article <19970130202...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jst...@aol.com
(JSTYLL) writes:
>You KNOW that your post to r.m.c. about Kevin Smith's "confession" is an
>absolute fabrication, but did you know that it's illegal to maliciously
>make false statements about someone, even if they're a public figure?...
>...As a magazine publisher, I am well-versed in libel laws. I'm just
passing
>on some advice to you: retract, retract, retract. Besides being illegal,
>this kind of thing is irresponsible and immoral and definitely has no
>place on r.m.c.
At any rate, even if the courts got involved, it'd take a while - let's
take action now. Did anyone read the AOL Terms of Service posted
yesterday with reference to this article? I think we've got a swifter
court to petition. My email's on it's way to postm...@aol.com. How
about yours?
the Retroman
Aaron Davis
In article <19970202122...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
retr...@aol.com wrote:
The law concerning libel and slander does not apply to newsgroups, unless
the service provider makes any attempt to censor posts. In that case, the
newsgroup is considered a publication having all rights and
responsibilities thereof.
Of course, you also have to prove that the mention Kevin being homosexual
was discrediting or damaging to his career or personal life.
One final point, courts have made provisions regarding public figures
which may also apply here.
The bottom line is that there is nothing illegal about posting a rumor on
the net. Its not nice, but its legal.
Aaron
retr...@aol.com
As an fitting conclusion to this saga -
Both Krichards1 and LbrtyFlame are no longer viable screennames on AOL.
We've got em on the run, folks...
the Retroman
retr...@aol.com
Chuck Pearson
retr...@aol.com wrote:
: As an fitting conclusion to this saga -
: We've got em on the run, folks...
this isn't just "on the run", retro. this is "we've run 'em off!"
chuck, who ususally isn't gleeful to lose r.m.c'ers, but i'll gladly make
an exception in this case. 8-)
--
sometimes when you see me, you're going to point and laugh
saying "there goes a man with high ideals
and a burden on his back..." (thanx to dime store prophets.)
cpea...@freenet.columbus.oh.us
Chuck Pearson
Matt Laswell (las...@wwa.com) wrote:
: GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
since when did you become a fan of andres cantor, matt? 8-)
chuck, who misses that pepsi commercial with cantor in it that he saw
during the mls cup title match...
p.s. the columbus crew open up their season at home on march 29.
any and all r.m.c'ers who want to go to ohio stadium and sing and
chant and scream their fool heads off with chuck may feel free to
make the trip...
p.p.s. this means you, jerry. 8-)
Aaron Davis
In article <19970202151...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
retr...@aol.com wrote:
> In article <abdavis-0102...@cnc037040.concentric.net>,
> abd...@concentric.net (Aaron Davis) writes:
>
> Since they sell over a million records to a buying group that would, for
> the most part, consider that "confession" HIGHLY discrediting, I don't
> think it'd be as hard as you ight htink. Besides - didn't you read John
> Styll's (CCM) post. he probably knows a thing or two about publishing
> laws, wouldn't you think?
>
I'm sure he does, but that doesn't mean he knows about such laws as they
apply to the internet. His magazine is printed, for the most part. Maybe
Bruce Brown could help settle the issue. When we started Zinograffiti, I
had to have a few meetings with my attourney on the subject and let me
tell you, a post on a news group does not substantiate a libel suit.
Prodigy discovered this a few years ago when they were held responsible
for a post, only because they make an attempt to censor some posts. The
judge ruled that since they were editing some emial and news posts, then
anything on Prodigy is a publication, not conversation. Of course, if
they hadn't monitored anything, it would have gone the other way.
Granted, internet law is pretty new turf. There are so few cases that
there isn't a lot defined. But it would be a very difficult case to get
through.
>
> At any rate, even if the courts got involved, it'd take a while - let's
> take action now. Did anyone read the AOL Terms of Service posted
> yesterday with reference to this article? I think we've got a swifter
> court to petition. My email's on it's way to postm...@aol.com. How
> about yours?
>
There's your solution. While the post may have been legal, it most likely
violated something in AOL's service agreement. AOL is good about handling
such matters as are many other providers. Maybe its because in the case I
was referring to, it was Prodigy that was sued, not the poster.
But lets try to maintain a Christian attitude when we deal with such
agitators, shall we?
Aaron Davis
Editor, Zinograffiti
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, Jerry B. Ray <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> muttered:
>I'm more of an Animaniacs/Simspons kind of guy, myself, but the
>anime that I've seen (like Akira) was pretty cool. I LOVE
>"Star Blazers," and the good translated version of "Battle of the Planets"
>(not the lousy one that they show on the Cartoon Network).
watch _Ghost in the Shell_. Not really traditional anime, but if you
haven't seen it, I think you'll be quite impressed. I know I was.
But, alas, I don't know all that much about anime.
--
[this space intentionally left blank]
Scholar & Fool/hatf...@phoenix.net %*&$@#%&$%*#&@%$#@%@#*&#&$%&*@#$*@*#$*@&
Will McDonald
In <19970202154...@ladder01.news.aol.com> retr...@aol.com
writes:
>As an fitting conclusion to this saga -
>
>Both Krichards1 and LbrtyFlame are no longer viable screennames on
AOL.
>We've got em on the run, folks...
Feels kinda nice doesn't it... :-D
I wish I liked DC Talk's music.... that would make this moment
complete.
Will
--
The opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the
opinions of the M&M/Mars Corporation, Great Spring Waters
of America, Inc., or the Alabama Farmers Coop, Inc.
JayDee311
Not only did the LibertyFlame have too much time on his hands, but it
looks as if RetroMan is getting too much pleasure out of this :) It's
over. Let's move on!
=w=
joan nieng
hatf...@alpha1.phoenix.net (Scholar and Fool) writes:
>While still dazed, Jerry B. Ray <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> muttered:
>>I'm more of an Animaniacs/Simspons kind of guy, myself, but the
>>anime that I've seen (like Akira) was pretty cool. I LOVE
>>"Star Blazers," and the good translated version of "Battle of the Planets"
>>(not the lousy one that they show on the Cartoon Network).
>watch _Ghost in the Shell_. Not really traditional anime, but if you
>haven't seen it, I think you'll be quite impressed. I know I was.
Hey, did anyone else think Ghost in the Shell was a little like
Blade Runner?
cathy
Joe Kimbler
On Sat, 1 Feb 1997 23:28:45 -0500, rose <ro...@dp.net> wrote:
>
>HARD COPY did cover it. I have it on tape around here somewhere.
>
GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK!!!!! Doesn't anybody read the posts in this
group or are you all just BLIND! Denny Kreitzman (Tour Manager for DC
Talk) was just here and said that HARD COPY has ***NEVER***
interviewed DC Talk...never EVER!
...this is all just sick. I'm outa' here!
Signing off!
-Joe Kimbler
(Gonna' take my conversations to a newsgroup with some BRAINS!)
Joe Kimbler
On Mon, 03 Feb 1997 04:45:05 GMT, jkim...@uslink.net (Joe Kimbler)
wrote:
>On Sat, 1 Feb 1997 23:28:45 -0500, rose <ro...@dp.net> wrote:
>
>
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>>HARD COPY did cover it. I have it on tape around here somewhere.
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GIVE ME A FREAKIN' BREAK!!!!! Doesn't anybody read the posts in this
group or are you all just BLIND!
>>>Oops!! I want to clarify that!!! I have Michael English on HARD COPY
Sorry...sorry...sorry! I didn't see that part about Michael English
until after I went off. I'm going to "step off" now and "chill"!
-Joe "the Humble"