Enigma
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What is wrong with that? God wants you to question him. If he is right, as I
believe he is, he will be able to answer anything that you can come up with.
Those of you who take things without questioning them first are fools.
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Andy B.
: I have not seen Enigma discussed on this group so why not start?!?
: I really enjoy Enigma's musical sound, but I am a little concerned about
: some of the lyrics. They seem to contain truth on some songs (like "Cross
: of changes) , but then there is the song "Return to Innocence(sp?)" that says
: "dont care what people say just follow YOUR own way..." This seems a bit "Un-
: christian" to me. Also the song "I love you...I kill you". As for thier first
: album, there are not as many lyrics to the songs, but the subject of lust is
: prevelant throughout the album. Does anybody know what the translation of the
: French is in the song sadeness?
: well, just my .02
They have been under INIGMA. Not having been on very long, I haven't a clue
why it was misspelt.
Andy B. (u920...@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk)
Patrick Dungan
I really enjoy Enigma's musical sound, but I am a little concerned about
some of the lyrics. They seem to contain truth on some songs (like "Cross
of changes) , but then there is the song "Return to Innocence(sp?)" that says
"dont care what people say just follow YOUR own way..." This seems a bit "Un-
christian" to me. Also the song "I love you...I kill you". As for thier first
album, there are not as many lyrics to the songs, but the subject of lust is
prevelant throughout the album. Does anybody know what the translation of the
French is in the song sadeness?
well, just my .02
pat d
udrh...@cc.memphis.edu
the same passage from the bible...chances are that we would have found
something different about it. What Enigma is trying to say is that God can be
found in all of us and it is up for us to discover Him and let him work
through us. They are saying that you don't have to go to a temple, a church,
or anywhere else to find God...he is there with you all the time and he has
been with you all along.
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Craig Schafer
My roomate listens to Enigma and I have heard both albums. I do not like
the bits about "follow your own way" among other new age ideas. If
there is even ONE unscriptural thing in the album (which there is), then
it falls flat on its face for spiritual edification. I have argued at great
lengths with my roommate about Enigma. They obviously are not christians..
franciscan monk chants or no. If you read the lyric sheet in the latest
"The Cross of Changes", it says:
I tries to find HIm on the Christian Cross, but He was not there;
I went to the Temple of the Hindus and to the old pagodas, but I
could ot find a trace of Him anywhere.....
It concludes with:
I then looked into my heart and it was there where He dwelled that
I saw Him first. He was nowhere else to be found.....
WRONGO!
Now i have already thought about the inturpretation " Well Jesus isn't on the cross
anymore." Well, the entire context of the paragraph is that his god is not to
be found in any religion but rather in the heart. Well the God I know does
not dwell in the clean and unclean alike. He does not live in the hearts of
the unclean and those who reject HIm. He is only in those whom He was cleaned
by Christs blood. Yes the music is very ethereal and all...but it is NOT
christian and those who listen to it should understand than Enigma is lying.
--
Craig Schafer ek...@cleveland.freenet.edu
"It was then that I realized that I was born of two
fathers...Elias and Megaweapon" -Tom Servo
Jeroen J-W Tiggelman
Craig Schafer <ek...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:
>My roomate listens to Enigma and I have heard both albums. I do not like
>the bits about "follow your own way" among other new age ideas. If
>there is even ONE unscriptural thing in the album (which there is), then
>it falls flat on its face for spiritual edification. I have argued at great
>lengths with my roommate about Enigma. They obviously are not christians..
>franciscan monk chants or no.
The ideas expressed in the lyrics are rather vague, but sooner new age than
Christian, I think.
> If you read the lyric sheet in the latest
>"The Cross of Changes", it says:
> I tries to find HIm on the Christian Cross, but He was not there;
> I went to the Temple of the Hindus and to the old pagodas, but I
> could ot find a trace of Him anywhere.....
>It concludes with:
> I then looked into my heart and it was there where He dwelled that
> I saw Him first. He was nowhere else to be found.....
>
>WRONGO!
Is it? That depends on interpretation I'd say. Surely the truth is not to be
found on the CROSS (symbol), but in the ideas that make up Christianity. It
is obviously true that you cannot know Him if you don't know your heart, can
you?
>Now i have already thought about the inturpretation " Well Jesus isn't on the
>cross anymore." Well, the entire context of the paragraph is that his god is
>not to be found in any religion but rather in the heart.
Agreed. But then 'religion' is often used in a way... Again I think is
plausible that the statement is that you should not just _belong_ to a
religion, but act consciously as you believe is good (for whatever reason)
in your heart. Spirit, not letter.
> Well the God I know
>does not dwell in the clean and unclean alike. He does not live in the hearts
>of the unclean and those who reject HIm. He is only in those whom He was
>cleaned by Christs blood. Yes the music is very ethereal and all...but it is
>NOT christian and those who listen to it should understand than Enigma is
>lying.
I don't think they're lying so much as being vague. Most could be interpreted
in several ways. The only thing they seem to be really saying is that you
should rid yourself of prejudices, take others into account, realize that there
are different perspectives. That's what I thought I saw when reading the lyrics
to this one album last weekend, anyway.
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--Jeroen-----------------------------------------------------------
Tigg...@StPC.WI.LeidenUniv.NL JTig...@StHP.WI.LeidenUniv.NL
Erik Futtrup S|rensen
like to point out a few details.
First, Enigma is not a group; it is Michael Cretu who is making all
the music with his synthesizers; his wife Sandra (yep, THE Sandra) is
doing some of the vocals.
Thus spake ek...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Schafer):
>Now i have already thought about the inturpretation " Well Jesus isn't on the cross
>anymore." Well, the entire context of the paragraph is that his god is not to
>be found in any religion but rather in the heart. Well the God I know does
>not dwell in the clean and unclean alike. He does not live in the hearts of
>the unclean and those who reject HIm. He is only in those whom He was cleaned
>by Christs blood. Yes the music is very ethereal and all...but it is NOT
>christian and those who listen to it should understand than Enigma is lying.
>--
Right; it is definitely New Age; I think Cretu admit it himself. If you
read the texts, look at the pictures in the CD-cover, watch the videos,
you can see all kinds of religions mixed together, etc.
Your point is right, Craig, it is not Christian music - I listen to it
myself often, but I have to skip some of the songs (even though the
tune is great) with the worst lyrics; I just get a 'wrong' feeling inside
listening to it.
Enigma IS lying. It is true that some of the texts can make you think about
God, but other parts are not His words.
-- Erik Futtrup
Christians have more fun,
Especially later.
nikol...@gmail.com
> "don't care about what people say, follow your own way."
>
> What is wrong with that? God wants you to question him. If he is right, as I
> believe he is, he will be able to answer anything that you can come up with.
> Those of you who take things without questioning them first are fools.
>
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