Are Boyz II Men Christian?
David Hark Das
crosses and all that stuff, but are they really? The title of their
latest single, even though I haven't heard it, doesn't strike me as
exceptionally wholesome. :) Then again maybe this is like asking if
Bill Clinton is a Christian.
Dale Schouten
Except that Bill Clinton clearly is a Christian. As far as I know,
Boyz II Men don't particularly claim christianity, and they are certainly
not part of the CCM mainstream, whether that's good, bad or indifferent
you may decide :-)
Dale
scho...@uiuc.edu
JERRY BLANCHARD RAY JR
>Except that Bill Clinton clearly is a Christian. As far as I know,
>Boyz II Men don't particularly claim christianity, and they are certainly
>not part of the CCM mainstream, whether that's good, bad or indifferent
>you may decide :-)
You know, this just jogged my memory (the Bill Clinton comment, anyway...).
As I was driving home from my recent trip to Florida, I listened to Steve
Taylor's "I Want To Be A Clone" CD for the first time in a long time. I
know that much of Taylor's older music sounds rather dated now, but I was
surprised at how relevant the lyrics to "Whatever Happened To Sin" are to
today's society, with verses about abortion, homosexuality as 'alternate
lifestyle,' and 'christian' politicians. If someone has the lyrics to
this song handy, howsabout posting them. They make for some interesting
reading...
JRjr
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Children growing up, old friends growing older
The innocence slips away...'--Rush, Time Stand Still
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Thiek
ONLY to stir controversey. In judging Bill by his fruits (No Homosexual
Pun intended) I find him to be a creep!
Dale Schouten
Odd. I find him to be somewhat more serious about his christianity
than either of our last two presidents, who were widely lauded by the
conservative christian community.
Of course, the only serious evangelical christian we've had in office
in the last 30 years was also blasted by his conservative `brethren'.
It seems clear to me that recognition as a `christian' in political
office has far more to do with politics than religion.
And we wonder why there aren't more christians in politics.
BTW, does anyone know any good CCM songs have a more moderate view on
abortion than radical pro-life?
Dale Schouten
scho...@uiuc.edu
J. Streck
>BTW, does anyone know any good CCM songs have a more moderate view on
>abortion than radical pro-life?
Perish the thought. Everyone knows that if you're not out with "Brother
Terry" shouting at scared and confused fifteen-year-olds who made a
mistake than you're not a real Christian (and, yes, I am being sarcastic).
More seriously, off the top of my head I can't really think of a song
that explicity adopts a less than pro-life stance on the subject of
abortion, but then a lot of that is simply the product of the fact that
the abortion debate has been outlined so that there are really only two
tenable positions: pro-life and pro-choice. No one bothers to recognize
that the two "sides" of the debate are actually arguing about two very
different things, much less to realize that there are more than two
responses (and I would argue that there are more than two Christian
responses) to the issue.
(As an aside, I heard a really great joke concerning the extremely
conservative politics of a certain Hollywood celebrity: "***** isn't
against abortion, he just thinks it's too important a decision for a
woman." Anyway...)
Having said all that -- and to bring this back to the subject of music
before the tangent police come and arrest me -- I think there are songs
that are open enough to interpretation that one can listen to them without
feeling assaulted for not joining Operation Rescue. The 77's "Pretty Baby"
jumps to mind. (I think "Pretty Baby" is also one of the cleverest songs
ever written on the topic, with some really subtle imagery used to get the
point of the song across.) Heck, even Steve Taylor's "I Blew Up the
Clinic..." criticizes the more, ah, extreme members fo the Pro-life
movement despite Taylor's staunchly Pro-life politics.
john "I have the flu and every molecule in my body hurts" streck
jst...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu
BaDaBing
> In article <SCHOUTEN.9...@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu> scho...@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu writes:
> >Except that Bill Clinton clearly is a Christian. As far as I know,
> >Boyz II Men don't particularly claim christianity, and they are certainly
> >not part of the CCM mainstream, whether that's good, bad or indifferent
> >you may decide :-)
>
> You know, this just jogged my memory (the Bill Clinton comment, anyway...).
>
> As I was driving home from my recent trip to Florida, I listened to Steve
> Taylor's "I Want To Be A Clone" CD for the first time in a long time. I
> know that much of Taylor's older music sounds rather dated now, but I was
> surprised at how relevant the lyrics to "Whatever Happened To Sin" are to
> today's society, with verses about abortion, homosexuality as 'alternate
> lifestyle,' and 'christian' politicians. If someone has the lyrics to
> this song handy, howsabout posting them. They make for some interesting
> reading...
Well, I don't have them handy on paper, but I'm pretty sure I
know them, so here goes:
Whatever Happened to Sin?
by Steve Taylor
A Christian counselor wrote, quote
"It's the only human choice ahead.
If you can't support it,
why don't you abort it instead."
You say you pray to the sky?
Why, when you're afraid to take a stand down here.
'Cause while the holy talk reads like a bad ad lib,
silence screams, you are robbing the crib.
Say it ain't none of my business, huh?
"A woman's got a right to choose."
Now a grave digger, next you pull the trigger,
what then?
Whatever happened to sin?
I heard the reverend say,
"Gay is probably normal in the good Lord's sight.
What's to be debated? Jesus never stated what's right."
I'm no theology nut, but
the reverend may be a little confused.
If the Lord don't care,
if He chooses to ignore-ah,
tell it to the people of Sodom and Gamorrah.
Call it "just an alternate lifestyle," huh?
"Morality lies within."
Consciences are restin', please repeat the quetion again.
Whatever happened to sin?
When the closets are empty and the clinics are full
and your eyes have been blinded by societies wool,
when the streets erupt in your own back yard
you'll be on your knees prayin' for the national guard.
If you don't care now how the problems get solved,
you can shake your head later that you never got involved,
'cause the call came ringing from the throne of gold,
but you never got the message -- 'cause your mind's on hold.
A politician next door, swore
he'd set the Washington arena on fire.
Thinks he'll gladiate 'em,
but they're gonna make him a liar.
Well he's a good old boy,
he was born and raised in the buckle of the Bible belt.
But remember when you step into your voting booth,
he'll never lie, he'll just embellish the truth.
"Promises were made to be broken, right?
You've gotta play the game to win.
When you need supportin',
tell 'em that you're born again."
Whatever happened to sin?
Absolutely one freakin' great song.
>
> JRjr
> --
> 'Summer's going fast, nights growing colder
> Children growing up, old friends growing older
> The innocence slips away...'--Rush, Time Stand Still
> ##### vap...@prism.gatech.EDU ######## Jerry B. Ray, Jr. ################
Jeff
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Christian society with no absolutes -- except, of course, to use a condom."
- John J. Thompson
Jon Madison
David Hark Das <dhd...@jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote:
[stuff]
Jesus tells us many will say "lord, lord..." and these are the ones
who even cast out demons in His name!!
enyway, i think we shouldn't spend too much time trying to pick out
who's a beliver or not, we should test ourselves to see if _we_
are in the faith, and spend time trying to encourage our siblings
daily.
>David
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Jon Madison
J. Streck <jst...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
>scho...@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>
>>BTW, does anyone know any good CCM songs have a more moderate view on
>>abortion than radical pro-life?
>
i like legal Kill by kings X. probably not moderate, but really
feeling. (Mr. Wilson's a little more rough, but i still diggit...)
jon, who is convinced that we can make our OWN songs. quit relying
all the time on a company. let's encourage each other with hymns
and songs...our own, from our own heart.True Christianity
is for US too!!
shel...@iccgcc.cs.hh.ab.com
Tiare L. Williams
: Christian artist ( I forget who). I thought their new single is about
: a newly married couple. Doesn't that make it wholesome?
Jeroen J-W Tiggelman
Jon Madison <jon...@neuromancer.ucr.edu> wrote:
>Jesus tells us many will say "lord, lord..." and these are the ones
>who even cast out demons in His name!!
Rather, these are ones (not _the_ ones) who _claim_ that...
>enyway, i think we shouldn't spend too much time trying to pick out
>who's a beliver or not, we should test ourselves to see if _we_
>are in the faith, and spend time trying to encourage our siblings
>daily.
Well, I certainly agree with this!
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Eddie R Crabtree
Well, *there* you have it. That settles it for me. I can sleep now.
Ed Rock
aka Ed Crabtree
ercr...@gibbs.oit.unc.edu