Would you put the Aunt Bettys on your top ten list?
DANPATPAUL
The Orange County pop music for the Los Angeles Times picked the Aunt
Bettys as the number 8 O.C. recording for 1996. What do y'all think of
this? Would you put Knott and the boys on your top 10 list?
Dan (formerly of Orange County)
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In article <19970104050...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
danpa...@aol.com (DANPATPAUL) wrote:
Actually the album is one of my favorites of the year. Despite whatever is
going on with Mike.
I found the album to be enjoyable. I hadn't relized it was as contiversial
as it turned out to be.
I had a prerelease copy and had been listening to it for a few months
before all the whoop-la.
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William A. Cavagnaro Jr
DANPATPAUL wrote:
>
> The Orange County pop music for the Los Angeles Times picked the Aunt
> Bettys as the number 8 O.C. recording for 1996. What do y'all think of
> this? Would you put Knott and the boys on your top 10 list?
>
> Dan (formerly of Orange County)
from what little i know of the aunt betty's... well... I think their first song JESUS is
one of the best songs i've heard in a while. But I dont really like how he puts together
his other little songs of drunkenness and immoral women. :)
-d0oG
Linc Leifeste
In article <5al886$b...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
s.b...@ix.netcom.com(austen's loudmouth dad) wrote:
it would probably make my top fifty list...but then i am a huge mike knott
fan. i think it was one of his weaker albums, but that still makes it
better than a lot of stuff out there, in my opinion.
-linc
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Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, DANPATPAUL <danpa...@aol.com> muttered:
>The Orange County pop music for the Los Angeles Times picked the Aunt
>Bettys as the number 8 O.C. recording for 1996. What do y'all think of
>this? Would you put Knott and the boys on your top 10 list?
I'd have to think about it, but it's very possible. I guess I didn't
really pick up a *whole* lot of stuff in 1996, but then I think that's
due to the fact that I didn't think a whole lot came out in 1996 that
I was really excited about. Plus I like Knott's stuff a lot.
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Mad dog
On 4 Jan 1997, DANPATPAUL wrote:
> The Orange County pop music for the Los Angeles Times picked the Aunt
> Bettys as the number 8 O.C. recording for 1996. What do y'all think of
> this?
That's kinda weird. Dunno why, but it just seems that way.
> this? Would you put Knott and the boys on your top 10 list?
On my rather random list of songs that ruled from '96, I included "Rocket
and a Bomb" from the album, and "Jesus" came real close to making it.
Over all, I really like the album, I don't know if it's top 10 tho.
Then again, I'm not sure that '96 was all that special for music in my
opinion, so maybe.
Then again, what I would put as my top ten of, say '92 right now would be
immensly different than what I would have wrote in january '93.
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Kupajoe
i laughed.. i cried.. and i mean that in a very sincere way.. very
entertaining and fun album, but i know mike's dealing with a lot o stuff..
so.. i laughed.. i cried..
-eric
Aaron Davis
In article <32CEBF...@frontiernet.net>, "William A. Cavagnaro Jr"
> from what little i know of the aunt betty's... well... I think their
first song JESUS is
> one of the best songs i've heard in a while. But I dont really like how
he puts together
> his other little songs of drunkenness and immoral women. :)
>
> -d0oG
What I've found interesting about all the "whoop-la" around this album is
that the Aunt Betty's aren't that different from any other Mike Knott
project. His "Christian" albums had songs about drunkeness and sex and
tons of other stuff. Maybe this album seems a little more obvious or mayb
eits because we can buy it at Tower rather than Family Bookstore, but I
don't see much of a difference.
As for how much I like the album, I might put it on a top 10 for the year,
but in light of other Mike Knott albums, I don;t think its that great.
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, Aaron Davis <abd...@concentric.net> muttered:
>What I've found interesting about all the "whoop-la" around this album is
>that the Aunt Betty's aren't that different from any other Mike Knott
>project. His "Christian" albums had songs about drunkeness and sex and
>tons of other stuff. Maybe this album seems a little more obvious or mayb
>eits because we can buy it at Tower rather than Family Bookstore, but I
>don't see much of a difference.
In certain ways, I'd disagree with this. I think if you look at the
catalog for Knott, you can pretty much see the progression in the lyrics
on the albums as they were released. The last two or three albums in the
xian market were pretty much "crossover" albums in my mind, with a few
songs being exceptions. I think the Aunt Bettys album continues this
trend, moving one more step (or maybe two) in the same direction. I
think the Aunt Bettys album is a bit more obvious (as stated above), plus
it uses some actual cuss words. I think these two changes are what
frothed up certain camps - I think before this, he's been on their "to
watch" list, but he hadn't done anything blatent enough for them.
>As for how much I like the album, I might put it on a top 10 for the year,
>but in light of other Mike Knott albums, I don;t think its that great.
I think musically it's a pretty enjoyable album. Lyrically, some of it
is cool, some of it's not so cool. But as far as Knott albums go, at
this point in time, I find it pretty enjoyable. And for the most part,
I find I tend to like the albums more that are the ones with the lyrics
that make the watchdogs' ears perk up.
Throesline
yes, of course i would.....
The Infamous Mr Blue
Personally at first I loved the album, then it started to get boring.
That is a bummer since most of LSU (life savers, etc) work is so
amazing and I still love today 2 or so years after buying them.
I wouldn't put it on my top 10 list, but I would give it honorable
mention for songs like Rocket and a Bomb, Addict, Jane and Double
(which is not as good as the version on Grace Shaker IMHO).
Linc Leifeste
In article <32d1319...@avalon.imagixx.net>, don...@imagixx.net (The
Infamous Mr Blue) wrote:
i agree. it is not a very memorable album. there are some great songs, but
mostly it is just a fun rock album. it doesn't live up to much of knott's
previous work.
Dr.Tony Shore
no i wouldn't...it's a good record, but not a great record...the best
songs (IMHO) are the ones off "rocket and a bomb"...when THAT record came
out it was definitely on my top 10...but the aunt betty's record just
doesn't compare to rocket and a bomb.
dr. tony shore Sub€Lime Records
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Blessed are the meek
For theirs shall be the kingdom
That the power mongers seek
- BRUCE COCKBURN
Todd Brown
danpa...@aol.com (DANPATPAUL) wrote:
>The Orange County pop music for the Los Angeles Times picked the Aunt
>Bettys as the number 8 O.C. recording for 1996. What do y'all think of
>this? Would you put Knott and the boys on your top 10 list?
>Dan (formerly of Orange County)
Nah. It's a little inconsistent. For Knott stuff both Strip Cycle
and Grace Shaker are much better.
Todd.
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Rosencrantz
jokerman
>danpa...@aol.com (DANPATPAUL) wrote:
>
>The Orange County pop music for the Los Angeles Times picked the Aunt
>Bettys as the number 8 O.C. recording for 1996. What do y'all think of
>this? Would you put Knott and the boys on your top 10 list?
>
>Dan (formerly of Orange County)
>
i would put it in my TOP 5 of 96. A great album, and some "intersting"
artwork.
jm
Wednesday
Jeff Elbel <Sunny...@aol.com> wrote:
>for the Nth time, i'm a great big Knott fan. looooove the guy's
>music. i have and will continue to support him. but c'mon, really,
>"Suicide Sex Doll" and stuff like "Lush" (i.e., repeating the
>line "sucking your disco"), not to mention the s--- word rideout of
>Rocket and a Bomb... There's really not much of an argument for
>calling it ccm. i can listen to it, and hear where things are
>typically Knott, tongue in cheek, but even he would admit it has
>absolutely no place in the Christian bookstores.
I suppose this is the wrong time to wish that more of that kind of thing
was stocked in Christian bookstores. :/
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Jeff Elbel
I really enjoy the record, especially since i adore Andy Carter's
guitar playing, and i can associate the record with the live shows.
i don't think it's unreasonable to put Aunt Bettys on a year end
top 10 list, as long as you're talking mainstream top 10.
for the Nth time, i'm a great big Knott fan. looooove the guy's
music. i have and will continue to support him. but c'mon, really,
"Suicide Sex Doll" and stuff like "Lush" (i.e., repeating the
line "sucking your disco"), not to mention the s--- word rideout of
Rocket and a Bomb... There's really not much of an argument for
calling it ccm. i can listen to it, and hear where things are
typically Knott, tongue in cheek, but even he would admit it has
absolutely no place in the Christian bookstores.
jeff
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The Infamous Mr Blue
On 13 Jan 1997 18:55:42 -0600, in rec.music.christian you wrote:
>Jeff Elbel <Sunny...@aol.com> wrote:
>>for the Nth time, i'm a great big Knott fan. looooove the guy's
>>music. i have and will continue to support him. but c'mon, really,
>>"Suicide Sex Doll" and stuff like "Lush" (i.e., repeating the
>>line "sucking your disco"), not to mention the s--- word rideout of
>>Rocket and a Bomb... There's really not much of an argument for
>>calling it ccm. i can listen to it, and hear where things are
>>typically Knott, tongue in cheek, but even he would admit it has
>>absolutely no place in the Christian bookstores.
>
>I suppose this is the wrong time to wish that more of that kind of thing
>was stocked in Christian bookstores. :/
I saw some lyrics for the new Roadside Monument cd coming out later
this year (the link to the page is on their T&N page) and they have a
song called Sperm Ridden Burden. I have a feeling it might make a big
controversy too.
stephen t.
On 13 Jan 1997, Wednesday wrote:
[ stuff about Aunt Bettys snipped]
> I suppose this is the wrong time to wish that more of that kind of thing
> was stocked in Christian bookstores. :/
and my local cbs pulled Ashley Cleveland off the shelves--too riskque for
their tastes. ????
stephen t.
stra...@moccasun.utc.edu
Wednesday
In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.970114...@moccasun.utc.edu>,
stephen t. <stra...@moccasun.utc.edu> wrote:
>and my local cbs pulled Ashley Cleveland off the shelves--too riskque for
>their tastes. ????
WHAT?!?
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On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, stephen t. wrote:
> and my local cbs pulled Ashley Cleveland off the shelves--too riskque for
> their tastes. ????
All of Ashley Cleveland's albums, or just BUS NAMED DESIRE? BUS got pulled
back in 1993 because there was some objection to the song, "Skin Tight."
I can't imagine them pulling her Grammy winner, LESSON OF LOVE, since it's
a very blatant gospel album.
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stephen t.
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, rose wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, stephen t. wrote:
>
> > and my local cbs pulled Ashley Cleveland off the shelves--too riskque for
> > their tastes. ????
>
> All of Ashley Cleveland's albums, or just BUS NAMED DESIRE? BUS got pulled
> back in 1993 because there was some objection to the song, "Skin Tight."
>
> I can't imagine them pulling her Grammy winner, LESSON OF LOVE, since it's
> a very blatant gospel album.
>
as far as I know, all of them. I don't go there often, but I could check.
it seemed sort of odd, since they carry a lot of alternative that have
"questionable content" to some people.
stephen t.
stra...@moccasun.utc.edu
stephen t.
On 14 Jan 1997, Wednesday wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.95.970114...@moccasun.utc.edu>,
> stephen t. <stra...@moccasun.utc.edu> wrote:
> >and my local cbs pulled Ashley Cleveland off the shelves--too riskque for
> >their tastes. ????
>
> WHAT?!?
>
> oh, *zool*...
>
it's the best way to get good music cheap. complain about content, get
them to pull it from the shelves, and buy their demo copies for a couple
bucks :)
just a joke, I would never do that.
stephen t.
stra...@moccasun.utc.edu
Wednesday
Jeff Elbel <Sunny...@aol.com> wrote:
>well, bev, perhaps this year we can get a little more organized with the
>rmc bbq band thing. i can have some music prepped, and you can write
>a bunch of lyrics about boozin' and druggin' and fornicatin', and we can
>boom box it. then we'll pitch it to Star Song and Sparrow and Myrrh and
>Benson and Warner Alliance. then we'll just sit back and watch the
>bidding war.
Please don't get me started, Jeff....
*sigh* I'm just so tired of the either/or, you know? I wanna see the erotic
and the slightly gritty and the dark-night-of-the-soul better validated in
mainstream Christian music. It's so...so.....so *alienating* to know that
the music that speaks to me is the fringe stuff that only a small margin of
the people who share this faith are ever going to see as worthwhile. (cf.
"Christians with morals won't buy the Violet Burning cd..." whatever that
means). It's not enough for me that the stuff exists somewhere out there, on
secular labels that will take more risks or indies that barely get any
distribution. Am I sick this way? Am I weird? Probably.
But I can't be the only little Christian girl who wakes up each morning to
a world that owes more to Susie Bright than James Dobson...
stephen t.
On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, stephen t. wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, rose wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, stephen t. wrote:
> >
> > > and my local cbs pulled Ashley Cleveland off the shelves--too riskque for
> > > their tastes. ????
> >
> > I can't imagine them pulling her Grammy winner, LESSON OF LOVE, since it's
> > a very blatant gospel album.
> >
I called this afternoon, and they don't carry any Ashley Cleveland stuff.
they do carry just about everything else.
stephen t.
stra...@moccasun.utc.edu
The Infamous Mr Blue
Jeff Elbel
wedn...@tezcat.com (Wednesday) wrote:
>I suppose this is the wrong time to wish that more of that kind of thing
>was stocked in Christian bookstores. :/
well, bev, perhaps this year we can get a little more organized with the
rmc bbq band thing. i can have some music prepped, and you can write
a bunch of lyrics about boozin' and druggin' and fornicatin', and we can
boom box it. then we'll pitch it to Star Song and Sparrow and Myrrh and
Benson and Warner Alliance. then we'll just sit back and watch the
bidding war.
grace,
Jeff Elbel
>It's so...so.....so *alienating* to know that the music that speaks to
>me is the fringe stuff that only a small margin of the people who share
>this faith are ever going to see as worthwhile.
... sympathetic ears from this end of the modem.
>(cf. "Christians with morals won't buy the Violet Burning cd..."
well, that may be indicative of a general attitude, but we both know
that statement was just silliness.
>It's not enough for me that the stuff exists somewhere out there, on
>secular labels that will take more risks or indies that barely get any
>distribution. Am I sick this way?
>I wanna see the erotic and the slightly gritty and the dark-night-of-
>the-soul better validated in mainstream Christian music.
i don't think that looking for substance is sick by any means. now maybe,
just maybe i'm saying, -singling out one part of what you just said-
looking for erotic expression in Christian art isn't healthy. maybe.
does it cross the line of biblical standards? that would depend entirely
upon your definition of "erotic." i'm no prude; i think that artists
shouldn't be restricted from expressing themselves as the sexual beings
God made them to be.
... but there is the issue of stumbling people. idunnofersure. i'm full
of contradiction. i've never written about sex, myself, but i don't really
spend great deals of time pondering myself as a sexual creature. i spend
more time wondering why i can't grasp weightier philosophical concepts,
what my relationship with God is, stuff like that. sex takes over at a
more emotional level, and while i'm making an effort to write more
emotionally, my tendency is to write out of consideration and thought.
you can always bring up Song of Solomon, i guess. but that's not exactly
what you'd call hardcore. in the end, even as someone who really can't
stand the self-censorship in much of CCM, i still shelter CCM somewhat myself.
that's why i say that Aunt Bettys songs are inappropriate for CCM. i don't
think they're inappropriate songs, but i wouldn't recommend that someone
walk into a Berean Bookstore, buy a Veggie Tales for their 4 year old, and
an Aunt Bettys for their 16 year old. Suicide Sex Doll, Feel, Lush, Jesus,
Rocket and a Bomb, etc. just aren't affirming or uplifting or convicting
or reflective or worshipful or whatever it is that i want to see labelled
as "Christian."
that's the thing, i guess. i don't think music -needs- the label
"Christian" in order for Christians to find value in it as art. i listen
to a lot of music outside the Christian market. but if music is going to
claim the name of Christ, i feel like it needs to adhere to some sort of
moral code which is aligned with that of Christ. to be an example to the
world.
man, am i rambling. what the heck am i trying to say? no, you're not
sick for wanting something more genuine, personal, visceral out of CCM.
you're normal for appreciating the fringier art outside of CCM. just don't
wait for Sandy Patty to cover Marvin Gaye's "sexual healing" anytime soon,
even though it wouldn't be biblically inappropriate for a (married)
Christian to sing that song.
the dark-night-of-soul stuff can actually be found in CCM on the tinier
labels, so that kind of realism, confrontation-of-difficult-personal-
issues stuff is getting a little bit of acceptance. don't expect to hear
it in the CCM top ten, though. you'd hardly hear it in the secular top
ten.
remember that most people want to hear something that "has a good
beat and you can dance to it." something fun and light. CCM's got that
covered in spades. even in the mainstream, though, NIN and Marilyn Manson
are exceptions, not the rule.
Wednesday
In article <SunnyRoses-20...@147.17.70.2>,
Jeff Elbel <Sunny...@aol.com> wrote:
>>(cf. "Christians with morals won't buy the Violet Burning cd..."
>
>well, that may be indicative of a general attitude, but we both know
>that statement was just silliness.
He seems to be pretty serious.
>>I wanna see the erotic and the slightly gritty and the dark-night-of-
>>the-soul better validated in mainstream Christian music.
>
>i don't think that looking for substance is sick by any means. now maybe,
>just maybe i'm saying, -singling out one part of what you just said-
>looking for erotic expression in Christian art isn't healthy. maybe.
>does it cross the line of biblical standards? that would depend entirely
>upon your definition of "erotic."
A closer term for it might be "sensual," but not entirely, because it
transcends the five senses down into the spirit and the soul. Eating
gelato fresca (never ice cream; too much fat :) and savouring is erotic.
Pure dance is erotic. Falling down in a field of grasses and rolling is
erotic. The best backrubs are erotic. Conversely, one can have utterly
non-erotic sex (speaking from unfortunate experience here). It's a matter
of the sense of union with not merely the sensation, but the stimulus;
this can stay within biblical standards quite easily, and, to boot, I'm
fairly convinced that one's relationship with divinity should be erotic.
>i'm no prude; i think that artists
>shouldn't be restricted from expressing themselves as the sexual beings
>God made them to be.
amen to that.
>... but there is the issue of stumbling people. idunnofersure. i'm full
>of contradiction. i've never written about sex, myself, but i don't really
>spend great deals of time pondering myself as a sexual creature. i spend
>more time wondering why i can't grasp weightier philosophical concepts,
>what my relationship with God is, stuff like that. sex takes over at a
>more emotional level, and while i'm making an effort to write more
>emotionally, my tendency is to write out of consideration and thought.
Hm. Granted, I have a hard time taking the stumbling question into mind
and err on the side of saying it anyways, because at times it seems like
no one else will. Sex is emotional for me as well, but it comprises such
a large part of my formative experiences that I can't not think about it,
write about it, talk about it...whatever. I have a hard time believing
that sexuality isn't a major driving force in the lives of other Christians.
Then, I'm "spiritually loose." :)
>you can always bring up Song of Solomon, i guess. but that's not exactly
>what you'd call hardcore.
I'm not even talking hardcore, and I'm not asking for a direct counterpart
to Pat Califia in the CCM world. I might be asking for a Susie Bright,
though -- I'm not sure. I'm definitely asking for a _Yellow Silk_.
>in the end, even as someone who really can't
>stand the self-censorship in much of CCM, i still shelter CCM somewhat myself.
>that's why i say that Aunt Bettys songs are inappropriate for CCM. i don't
>think they're inappropriate songs, but i wouldn't recommend that someone
>walk into a Berean Bookstore, buy a Veggie Tales for their 4 year old, and
>an Aunt Bettys for their 16 year old. Suicide Sex Doll, Feel, Lush, Jesus,
>Rocket and a Bomb, etc. just aren't affirming or uplifting or convicting
>or reflective or worshipful or whatever it is that i want to see labelled
>as "Christian."
Perhaps not, but I guess I'm speaking more generally now -- there's a
decided lack of affirming, uplifting, reflective, worshipful, and/or
convicting pieces with a good sense of the erotic -- be that an extended
work about married sexuality (as opposed to this "God made you for me and
I love you and I'm going to be your little wife forever" glut that makes
me want to go shoot myself in the eyeballs) or an insight into the
struggles of celibacy (as opposed to "Don't screw before you're married
because good women don't DO that kind of thing!") or... whatever.
Michael Card did one short Song of Solomon piece in the Ancient Faith
cycle, but I can't bear to listen to it. Then, I can barely bear to read
SoS....but that's another story.
>that's the thing, i guess. i don't think music -needs- the label
>"Christian" in order for Christians to find value in it as art. i listen
>to a lot of music outside the Christian market. but if music is going to
>claim the name of Christ, i feel like it needs to adhere to some sort of
>moral code which is aligned with that of Christ. to be an example to the
>world.
It doesn't need to be desexualized to adhere to that moral code, though.
>man, am i rambling. what the heck am i trying to say? no, you're not
>sick for wanting something more genuine, personal, visceral out of CCM.
>you're normal for appreciating the fringier art outside of CCM. just don't
>wait for Sandy Patty to cover Marvin Gaye's "sexual healing" anytime soon,
dang. :)
>even though it wouldn't be biblically inappropriate for a (married)
>Christian to sing that song.
'Course, she's not now, right...??
So who knows... *sigh*
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Jeff Elbel
>It's so...so.....so *alienating* to know that the music that speaks to
>me is the fringe stuff that only a small margin of the people who share
>this faith are ever going to see as worthwhile.
... sympathetic ears from this end of the modem.
>(cf. "Christians with morals won't buy the Violet Burning cd..."
well, that may be indicative of a general attitude, but that statement
was soundly debunked by the r.m.c. loyals.
>It's not enough for me that the stuff exists somewhere out there, on
>secular labels that will take more risks or indies that barely get any
>distribution. Am I sick this way?
>I wanna see the erotic and the slightly gritty and the dark-night-of-
>the-soul better validated in mainstream Christian music.
i don't think that looking for substance is sick by any means. now maybe,
just maybe i'm saying, -singling out one part of what you just said-
looking for erotic expression in Christian art isn't healthy. maybe.
does it cross the line of biblical standards? that would depend entirely
upon your definition of "erotic." i'm no prude; i think that artists
shouldn't be restricted from expressing themselves as the sexual beings
God made them to be.
... but there is the issue of stumbling people. idunnofersure. i'm full
of contradiction. i've never written about sex, myself, but i don't really
spend great deals of time pondering myself as a sexual creature. i spend
more time wondering why i can't grasp weightier philosophical concepts,
what my relationship with God is, stuff like that. sex takes over at a
more emotional level, and while i'm making an effort to write more
emotionally, my tendency is to write out of consideration and thought.
you can always bring up Song of Solomon, i guess. but that's not exactly
what you'd call hardcore. in the end, even as someone who really can't
stand the self-censorship in much of CCM, i still shelter CCM somewhat myself.
that's why i say that Aunt Bettys songs are inappropriate for CCM. i don't
think they're inappropriate songs, but i wouldn't recommend that someone
walk into a Berean Bookstore, buy a Veggie Tales for their 4 year old, and
an Aunt Bettys for their 16 year old. Suicide Sex Doll, Feel, Lush, Jesus,
Rocket and a Bomb, etc. just aren't affirming or uplifting or convicting
or reflective or worshipful or whatever it is that i want to see labelled
as "Christian."
that's the thing, i guess. i don't think music -needs- the label
"Christian" in order for Christians to find value in it as art. i listen
to a lot of music outside the Christian market. but if music is going to
claim the name of Christ, i feel like it needs to adhere to some sort of
moral code which is aligned with that of Christ. to be an example to the
world.
man, am i rambling. what the heck am i trying to say? no, you're not
sick for wanting something more genuine, personal, visceral out of CCM.
you're normal for appreciating the fringier art outside of CCM. just don't
wait for Sandy Patty to cover Marvin Gaye's "sexual healing" anytime soon,
even though it wouldn't be biblically inappropriate for a (married)
Christian to sing that song.
the dark-night-of-soul stuff can actually be found in CCM on the tinier
labels, so that kind of realism, confrontation-of-difficult-personal-
issues stuff is getting a little bit of acceptance. don't expect to hear
it in the CCM top ten, though. you'd hardly hear it in the secular top
ten.
remember that most people want to hear something that "has a good
beat and you can dance to it." something fun and light. CCM's got that
covered in spades. even in the mainstream, though, NIN and Marilyn Manson
are exceptions, not the rule.
grace,
jeff
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Todd Brown
wedn...@tezcat.com (Wednesday) wrote:
>A closer term for it might be "sensual," but not entirely, because it
>transcends the five senses down into the spirit and the soul. Eating
>gelato fresca (never ice cream; too much fat :) and savouring is erotic.
>Pure dance is erotic. Falling down in a field of grasses and rolling is
>erotic. The best backrubs are erotic. Conversely, one can have utterly
>non-erotic sex (speaking from unfortunate experience here). It's a matter
>of the sense of union with not merely the sensation, but the stimulus;
>this can stay within biblical standards quite easily, and, to boot, I'm
>fairly convinced that one's relationship with divinity should be erotic.
Amen.