Hotel California
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John Cristion
cat...@rocketmail.com wrote in article <8630261...@dejanews.com>...
> Does anyone know what this song means?
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It's De-Ja-Vuuuu, all over again. Buckle you seat belt RMCers, this could
be a bumpy ride.
;-)
Papa John
J-Man
LaChEsIs wrote:
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> On Wed, 07 May 1997 12:34:09 -0600, cat...@rocketmail.com wrote:
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> >Does anyone know what this song means?
> >
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> Santeria was being practiced or something like that. On the record
> sleeve, and only the record version I believe, there are some hidden
> images in the center picture. It's pretty spooky actually.
Everyone has their own ideas about the song, which is cool. It's also
neat that the meaning of the song evolves as the years go by. In
addition, it's a song which is both very difficult to play, yet, if
you take a couple of short cuts, it's very easy to play.
The lyrics can be addressed at a number of significant levels, so
please just consider this another take, perhaps in a deeper sense:
"Hotel California" is a song which reflects upon the loss of
innocence within the music industry and its effect upon the
musicians, as well as the listeners: The pressure upon artists to
think less about making good music and more about making money and
the involvement of drug use, i.e., the references to drug use
("smell of colitas") and how the age of freedom is now gone ("we
haven't had this spirit here since 1969") (Woodstock), etc. But, this
"Hell" from which one can "never leave" was not totally forced upon
musicians...they were part of it and are partly responsible for
their "disease." They are "all prisoners" vis a vis their own
participation.
It gets heavier and deeper, but, as aforementioned, everyone has their
own opinion on it...it has been endlessly discussed in this newsgroup.
I am a big fan of both the more-electric album version and the
more-mellow "live" ("Hell Freezes Over") version. I also agree that
the album cover is a classic. It's a story in itself.
Whether you consider it just "a cool song," or whether you start to
read into the deeper undertones, there is one thing that, over the
years, has always impressed me about "Hotel California"....I've
never met anyone who didn't love that song. That, in itself,
especially these days, is quite significant.
Micah Potechin
cat...@rocketmail.com wrote:
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> Does anyone know what this song means?
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Hotel California is HELL... use your imagination from there...
Mark Chaffee
>
> It's De-Ja-Vuuuu, all over again. Buckle you seat belt RMCers, this could
> be a bumpy ride.
The song Hotel California is all about the correct way to eat poi with
your fingers without soiling your pillow cases...
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LaChEsIs
On Wed, 07 May 1997 12:34:09 -0600, cat...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>Does anyone know what this song means?
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It's about a Hotel in California (And we have song title) where
Bud Hanke
I would say that it deals with the pitfalls of living in Southern
California, and speaking from experience I would have to agree with it.
That place seems like a paradise on the outside but get into it and
you'll see what it's really like....
Bud
Duke
In article <337111...@erols.com>, budh...@erols.com says...
'Southern California brings me down....'? If so, anyone know the NAME of
it, and where I Can find it?
-=Duke=-
Larry Seiler
I used to do music seminars back in the late 70's early 80's...then
recognizing the void promoted Christian music heavy. Today I am in my
second Christian band..."Beggar's Joy!"
If you open the LP album cover of Hotel California, you will upon close
scrutiny see a cloaked individual in the balcony overlooking the
partying guests below. The individual wrote the "Satanic Bible" and is
satanism's first black priest or pope, (as he is billed), Anton Zander
LaVey. Some members in the band, as old information goes, had dealings
with LaVey and his church. The first satanic church was on Hotel
California street... the words are similar to beliefs..such as, "you
can come, but you can never leave!"
There is more...but it is not very enjoyable to get into these days.
Larry lse...@eau.net
Larry Seiler
Duke wrote:
>
> In article <337111...@erols.com>, budh...@erols.com says...
> >
> >cat...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know what this song means?
> >>
> >
> >
> >I would say that it deals with the pitfalls of living in Southern
> >California, and speaking from experience I would have to agree with it.
> >That place seems like a paradise on the outside but get into it and
> >you'll see what it's really like....
> >Bud
> -=Duke=-
Will McDonald
According to Don Henley, the lead vocalist and main lyrical writer for
the song "Hotel California," it is not La Vey. The person is not even
a man. It is a black model who came for the photo shoot with her head
shaved.
>Some members in the band, as old information goes, had dealings
>with LaVey and his church.
You forgot to mention that the "old information" was merely a pack of
rumors started by the evangelist Jacob Aranza. The Satanic church
connection allegedly came from a Dallas Morning News article that
quoted a person who knew the band who said that the Eagles knew people
who were involve in the Church of Satan. (If we follow that logic,
everyone who knew Sammy Davis Jr. had "ties" to the Church of Satan.)
>The first satanic church was on Hotel
>California street... the words are similar to beliefs..such as, "you
>can come, but you can never leave!"
Did you know that Hitler liked Disney movies?
We've got a big problem here!
>
>There is more...but it is not very enjoyable to get into these days.
Nor is it worth mentioning.
Will
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Larry Seiler
Thanks for the info Will...very useful and appreciative. Unfortunately
it is a weary process trying to get at the bottom of it all, but once in
awhile someone helps the smog thin enough to see more clearly!
Larry
Andrew Rogers
In article <5ksuml$g...@rebecca.albany.edu> gb2...@cnsvax.albany.edu writes:
>Speaking of which, do any of you guys know that Neal Young song that goes
>'Southern California brings me down....'? If so, anyone know the NAME of
>it, and where I Can find it?
It's a Neil Young parody on one of the old National Lampoon albums, probably
"Goodbye Pop".
Andrew
reaper
You also have to remember the Eagles were heavy into Satanism...
LaChEsIs wrote:
>
> On Wed, 07 May 1997 12:34:09 -0600, cat...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know what this song means?
> >
Micah Potechin
> >California, and speaking from experience I would have to agree with it.
> >That place seems like a paradise on the outside but get into it and
> >you'll see what it's really like....
> >Bud
> 'Southern California brings me down....'? If so, anyone know the NAME of
> it, and where I Can find it?
Maybe "Southern Man"?
Jerry B. Ray
In article <337362...@ntj.com>, Mark Chaffee <ma...@ntj.com> wrote:
>> Maybe "Southern Man"?
>And I always did like Lynard Skynard's response to that song...
"Turn it up..."
JRjr
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Larry Seiler
haun...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> Tulsa Band wrote:
> >
> > Larry Seiler wrote:
> > >
> > > I used to do music seminars back in the late 70's early 80's...then
> > > scrutiny see a cloaked individual in the balcony overlooking the
> > > partying guests below. The individual wrote the "Satanic Bible" and is
> > > satanism's first black priest or pope, (as he is billed), Anton Zander
> > > with LaVey and his church....
>
> Can anyone substantiate any of this? Is there anything in print about
> it? Or perhaps old interviews, etc.?
>
> -Candice
Candice-
Back in the 70's and 80's..those of us in the concert arenas, witnessing
paramedics hauling kids overdosing on drugs and alcohol, hearing
musicians using the stage to trash parents, moral values, being very
lewd..tried very hard to get the sense of all of this out to parents and
churches.
I worked with a number of people, and we handed tracts out to young
people about Christ and Christian rock/metal alternatives. The internet
did not exist for the public, and we were dependent on the offerings of
book stores to provide for us the latest materials an "inside stuff".
Simply put, the church was asleep. The church had a "be ye separate from
the world mentality" and did not have enough burden to rally together
for the cause of responding to the vileness and intentions of the
musicians.
We ourselves decided to take photographs in the concerts, did interviews
of young people on the scene, from outside the arena..recorded the
almost evangelistic fervor of the musicians onstage to vileness and
rejection of parental influence and morality. To this end, we put the
materials together and began to bring it to the churches across the
midwest. If the church had no burden, we believe they had no idea what
was going on..we felt if they were exposed to the truth..perhaps they
would stop their church picnics and softball nights long enough to spend
an evening outside the concert arena to weep and pray with wounded and
hurting youth.
In that process...it is like a snowball going downhill. At first, it is
hard to get going. Then eventually, it increases in size and increases
in speed until nothing can stop it.
There were a number of "ministries" that were propagating supposed
information they had..that I must admit I too was sold on. It was
useful for what I was doing. Understand, I did not just grab anything,
but what appeared to have supporting references. I still possess books
that give alleged references to the "inside stuff" on the Eagles...
and since a number of potentially credible persons have voiced their
versions..(of course I cannot verify those sources either), I am now
stating to you and others to disregard the information I gave concerning
Anton LaVey inside the cover of the LP. I too must now say, "I simply
do not know"...but since it is truth we are after, we cannot place much
weight now in what appears only speculation.
I rejoice that now 15-20 years later, many musicians..to their credit,
are admitting error and concern for the lewd, party lifestyle's they
lived. It vindicates the warnings and sufferings that we endured during
those years. I respect the singer of Aerosmith having admitted being
lucky he did not die from drugs, and now stating to be drug free.
I am not the typical stereotype of a conservative fundamentalist. When
in the late 70's a newsreporter came to interview and "slam" publically
me at a Judas Priest concert..he came expecting to see a short-haired
shirt and tie man standing on a box and screaming "repent" with a 100 lb
bible waving over my head. Such was not the case. I had very long hair
and a Harley Davidson jacket..I did have a Bible, but it was a pocket
size. His stereotype blown..he went in and objectively listened to the
lyrics of the "Defenders of the Faith" tour, and the stage antics giving
a very eye opening article in the newspaper.
The bottom line is, I was a teacher, and a youth pastor. I could not
stand in front of kids daily, pouring my heart out and caring..while at
the same time endorsing the lifestyle and wraunch of the rock icons they
were adoring. I got involved. This means sometimes mistakes are made..
and to avoid making mistakes some withdraw and don't become involved.
I apologize for now these 20 years later discovering what I had learned
and past on may have been in error..
May each of you find the road easier in discerning fact from fiction,
truth from error, and then choosing when and when not to draw a
demarcation line. Peace...
Larry
Ken
Larry Seiler wrote:
>
> haun...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > Tulsa Band wrote:
> > >
> > > Larry Seiler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I used to do music seminars back in the late 70's early 80's...then
> >> > > If you open the LP album cover of Hotel California, you will upon close
> > > > scrutiny see a cloaked individual in the balcony overlooking the
> > > > partying guests below. The individual wrote the "Satanic Bible" and is
> > > > satanism's first black priest or pope, (as he is billed), Anton Zander
> > > > LaVey. Some members in the band, as old information goes, had dealings
> > > > with LaVey and his church....
> >
>
> > Can anyone substantiate any of this? Is there anything in print about
> > it? Or perhaps old interviews, etc.?
> >
> > -Candice
I thought I read in some interviews a few years back (I think it was a
RS special issue on the 70s, with Led Zeppelin on the cover...) that it
was just some drunk woman who decided to get a little crazy...but, then
again, I could be wrong...
Ken Rutsky
Katrin Krollpfeiffer
>>>>Sounds more like the song "L.A." from the album "Time fades away"
>>Why all the fuss over Hotel California?? I guess a lot of people
think the Eagles merit deep philosophical discussion. Is this a great
country or what?
Tulsa Band
Larry Seiler wrote:
>
> I used to do music seminars back in the late 70's early 80's...then
> second Christian band..."Beggar's Joy!"
>
> scrutiny see a cloaked individual in the balcony overlooking the
> partying guests below. The individual wrote the "Satanic Bible" and is
> satanism's first black priest or pope, (as he is billed), Anton Zander
> LaVey. Some members in the band, as old information goes, had dealings
> California street... the words are similar to beliefs..such as, "you
> can come, but you can never leave!"
>
>
Isn't this the same guy who was killed when he hooked a JATO pack to
his car and flew into a cliff at 500 mph last year? Or is he the guy
who's trying to beat the Guiness record for the most get well cards?
--Dallas "The Invisible Hitchhiker" Koehn; tul...@ionet.net
haun...@ix.netcom.com
Tulsa Band wrote:
>
> Larry Seiler wrote:
> >
> > I used to do music seminars back in the late 70's early 80's...then
> > recognizing the void promoted Christian music heavy. Today I am in my
> > second Christian band..."Beggar's Joy!"
> >
> > If you open the LP album cover of Hotel California, you will upon close
> > scrutiny see a cloaked individual in the balcony overlooking the
> > partying guests below. The individual wrote the "Satanic Bible" and is
> > satanism's first black priest or pope, (as he is billed), Anton Zander
> > LaVey. Some members in the band, as old information goes, had dealings
> > with LaVey and his church. The first satanic church was on Hotel
> > California street... the words are similar to beliefs..such as, "you
> > can come, but you can never leave!"
> >
> > There is more...but it is not very enjoyable to get into these days.
Can anyone substantiate any of this? Is there anything in print about
it? Or perhaps old interviews, etc.?
I was always fascinated with the birth and ongoing growth of the entire
LA culture 'scene', a la Jackson Browne, Eagles, Ronstadt, JD Souther,
etc...someone should write a Hollywood Babylon epic-type book about that
entire episode in musical and cultural history, of course giving us all
of the embellishments on the Graham Parsons story, as well as whatever
the truth might be.
-Candice
Bud Hanke
reaper wrote:
>
> You also have to remember the Eagles were heavy into Satanism...
>
Get real.....I thought people finally gave up on all of that "This band
worships the devil" crap....guess I was wrong.
Bud
Mark Chaffee
reaper wrote:
>
> You also have to remember the Eagles were heavy into Satanism...
Satanism Sucks.
Mark Chaffee
Micah Potechin wrote:
>
> Duke wrote:
> >
> > In article <337111...@erols.com>, budh...@erols.com says...
> > >
> > >cat...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone know what this song means?
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >I would say that it deals with the pitfalls of living in Southern
> > >California, and speaking from experience I would have to agree with it.
> > >That place seems like a paradise on the outside but get into it and
> > >you'll see what it's really like....
> > >Bud
> > Speaking of which, do any of you guys know that Neal Young song that goes
> > 'Southern California brings me down....'? If so, anyone know the NAME of
> > it, and where I Can find it?
> > -=Duke=-
>
> Maybe "Southern Man"?
And I always did like Lynard Skynard's response to that song...
--
Tulsa Band
Well, not that I don't find all the tales of the Eagles'
Satanic roots absolutely _fascinating_, but their version
of what the song is about leans more towards being trapped
in an industry that has a tendency to 'suck you in' and not
let you go.
I'm not trying to defend the Eagles or anything, but if you
listen to the album as a whole, that's a pretty consistent
theme. Check out "Life in the Fast Lane", "New Kid In Town",
etc. Hell, the same thing pops up on _The Long Run_ also,
although in a more general way. There are things other than
the so-called 'Satanic Church' that can draw a person in
and make life less pleasant than one might wish.
I just looked up at the zillion or so newsgroups you've posted
this to. I've taken the liberty of pulling about half of them,
and should probably have left out most of the rest. I left in
rec.music.christian because that's where I got it, and
alt.collecting.8-track-tapes because I can't imagine that they
have anything more interesting going on over there ;-)
I would think that if alt.music.eagles has a FAQ, this has to
be _the_ number one question. What were you thinking?
--Dallas "Turn Me On, Dead Man" Koehn; tul...@ionet.net
heils
Larry Seiler wrote:
>
> Duke wrote:
> >
> > In article <337111...@erols.com>, budh...@erols.com says...
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Does anyone know what this song means?
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >California, and speaking from experience I would have to agree with it.
> > >That place seems like a paradise on the outside but get into it and
> > >you'll see what it's really like....
> > >Bud
> > Speaking of which, do any of you guys know that Neal Young song that goes
> > 'Southern California brings me down....'? If so, anyone know the NAME of
> > it, and where I Can find it?
> > -=Duke=-
Hmmm...It must be a theme. Some band did a song a few years ago that
went something like, "Why did I move to southern California?" I just
remember the video had some guy running to the bus stop while he was on
fire.
<snicker>
Vinny Hrovat
In our last episode, J-Man <J-...@nospam.com> spoke thusly:
<Interesting interpretation of lyrics clipped . . . . >
>I am a big fan of both the more-electric album version and the
>more-mellow "live" ("Hell Freezes Over") version. I also agree that
>the album cover is a classic. It's a story in itself.
The Eagles also released an electric live version of "Hotel California" years
ago; i can't remember the name of the album.
>Whether you consider it just "a cool song," or whether you start to
>read into the deeper undertones, there is one thing that, over the
>years, has always impressed me about "Hotel California"....I've
>never met anyone who didn't love that song. That, in itself,
>especially these days, is quite significant.
I thought the electric live version of "Hotel California" was uninspired, that
it had nothing new to offer. The "Hell Freezes Over" version struck me as a
mildly interesting retrospective, nothing more. I guess the original recording
was so memorable and so well done that the song doesn't lend itself well to
further handling, IMO. Also, the song fit into its original time frame so well
that it seems almost anachronistic today, unlike many other 70's songs which get
regular airplay.
It's interesting to read the detailed discussions of this song here,
transcending the idiotic rumors i heard years ago: the building on the front
cover was the First Church of Satan, the Eagles had sold their souls to the
devil (which was why the song was so haunting and popular), and so on. "Hotel
California" is a very good song which uses symbolism to describe elements of
the pop culture in which it originated. Nothing more. Not too terribly
different from "American Pie" in that respect.
Something that's been in my head for about 20 years: i still don't know the
meaning/origin of the word "colitas." (Some people without access to a lyrics
sheet have told me that the word used is actually "coitus", but i know better.)
If anyone wants to enlighten me, it'll be appreciated, etc. Thanks.
---
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http://www.wco.com/~grix/ | it appears, etc.)
Jimi Fahnestock
> > > > Larry Seiler wrote:
> > > > >
> > >> > > If you open the LP album cover of Hotel California
Ifi you close the cover of Hotel California, you may get a life!!!
Jerry B. Ray
In article <33760cb8...@news.wco.com>,
Vinny Hrovat <gr...@nospam.here> wrote:
>The Eagles also released an electric live version of "Hotel California" years
>ago; i can't remember the name of the album.
It was titled, oddlyr enough, _Eagles Live_. It's a double CD.
>Something that's been in my head for about 20 years: i still don't know the
>meaning/origin of the word "colitas."
It's some sort of desert plant (maybe a hallucinogen or something?) if
I remember right. Which I probably don't. :-) There's so much misinformation
out about that song that it's hard to keep the fact from the fake. :-)
Jimi Fahnestock
colitas are flowers if I remember right.
Larry Seiler
Jimi Fahnestock wrote:
>
> > > > > Larry Seiler wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > >> > > If you open the LP album cover of Hotel California
Jimi:
:-) Larry
Brian William
Larry Seiler (lse...@eau.net) wrote:
: Will McDonald wrote:
: >
: > >
: > >If you open the LP album cover of Hotel California, you will upon
: > close
: > >scrutiny see a cloaked individual in the balcony overlooking the
: > >partying guests below. The individual wrote the "Satanic Bible" and
: > is
: > >satanism's first black priest or pope, (as he is billed), Anton Zander
: > >LaVey.
Garg, now I can't even check it, because I just put my copy of the lp
in storage for the summer this evening. I kept my 8-tracks out to take
home, but the lp's are too heavy. :<
*Brian
Barbara
Brian William wrote:
>
> Larry Seiler (lse...@eau.net) wrote:
> : Will McDonald wrote:
> : >
> : > >
> : > >If you open the LP album cover of Hotel California, you will upon
> : > close
> : > >scrutiny see a cloaked individual in the balcony overlooking the
> : > >partying guests below. The individual wrote the "Satanic Bible" and
> : > is
> : > >satanism's first black priest or pope, (as he is billed), Anton Zander
> : > >LaVey.
> : >
>
but I thought I'd leave a personal take on this one. I think we are all
somewhat reasonable people here, and I don't want everyone getting lost
in rumours that were perpetuated twenty years ago.
My interpretation of Hotel California has always been that Don Henley
wrote it on a personal note. He was perhaps feeling that he was trapped
in his own decadence and was facing a lot of regret at the time. I
don't believe he was intending the song to be entirely about the state
of the world, country, California whatever. Maybe it was an outlet for
his own personal regrets about the direction his life was taking at that
time, because he was involved in all the drugs and decadence and burnout
and was perhaps feeling very trapped. That's my take on it anyway.
I never could believe it, or the band was in anyways Satanic. Their
music never expressed that kind of spirituality at all. Henley
expressed in "The Last Resort" his resentment of how white anglo-saxon
protestants came and declared utter righteousness and power over the
indigenous people of North America, but he didn't slam Christianity in
any way, just the perception of it used by explorers, missionaries and
pilgrims. The Eagles never in any way expressed Satanism in their music
or live performances. If you look really closely at the figure in the
balconly on the HC album cover, you'd see that it is a scantily clad
black woman with her arms outstretched, probably she was on some kind of
drugs at the time. The Eagles have always put a great deal of thought
and emotion into their music, but in the entire history of the band I've
never seen any indication of satanism...the only devils they were
tempted by and fell prey to were the devils of drugs.
keep an open mind always..songs are open to interpretation but artists
aren't.
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**I saw a sign on Easy Street that said "Be Prepared to Stop"**
-Don Henley-
Mark Rathwell
: You also have to remember the Eagles were heavy into Satanism...
Please elaborate for those of us who didn't get into the Eagles
until after Henley made his first solo record.
>> Mark <<
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Ruckdee C.
Just to cool down the discussion here. I think you'll love it if you are
a unix lover.
> "Berkeley California"
>
> (Sung to the tune "Hotel California" by the Eagles)
>
> In a dark dim machine room
> Cool A/C in my hair
> Warm smell of silicon
> Rising up through the air
> Up ahead in the distance
> I saw a Solarian(tm) light
> My kernel grew heavy, and my disk grew slim
> I had to halt(8) for the night
> The backup spun in the tape drive
> I heard a terminal bell
> And I was thinking to myself
> This could be BSD or USL
> Then they started a lawsuit
> And they showed me the way
> There were salesmen down the corridor
> I thought I heard them say
>
> Welcome to Berkeley California
> Such a lovely place
> Such a lovely place (backgrounded)
> Such a lovely trace(1)
> Plenty of jobs at Berkeley California
> Any time of year
> Any time of year (backgrounded)
> You can find one here
> You can find one here
>
> Their code was definately twisted
> But they've got the stock market trends
> They've got a lot of pretty, pretty lawyers
> That they call friends
> How they dance in the courtroom
> See BSDI sweat
> Some sue to remember
> Some sue to forget
> So I called up Kernighan
> Please bring me ctime(3)
> He said
> We haven't had that tm_year since 1969
> And still those functions are calling from far away
> Wake up Jobs in the middle of the night
> Just to hear them say
>
> Welcome to Berkeley California
> Such a lovely Place
> Such a lovely Place (backgrounded)
> Such a lovely trace(1)
> They're livin' it up suing Berkeley California
> What a nice surprise
> What a nice surprise (backgrounded)
> Bring your alibies
>
> Windows NT a dreaming
> Pink OS on ice
> And they said
> We are all just prisoners here
> Of a marketing device
> And in the judges's chambers
> They gathered for the feast
> They diff(1)'d the source code listings
> But they can't kill -9 the beast
> Last thing I remember
> I was restore(8)'ing | more(1)
> I had to find the soft link back to the path I was before
> sleep(3) said the pagedaemon
> We are programmed to recv(2)
> You can swap out any time you like
> But you can never leave(1)
>
> [ substitute whirring of disk and tape drives for guitar solo ]
>
> Written by David Barr <ba...@pop.psu.edu>
> and Ken Hornstein <ke...@physci.psu.edu>
> and a little help from Greg Nagy <na...@cs.psu.edu>
>
> and thanks to the lyrics archive at cs.uwp.edu
All the best,
Ruckdee C. <=-=> http://help.ksc.net.th:8888 <=-=>
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esmith
Someone who thinks they are "Ruckdee C." <ruck...@help.ksc.net.th>
supposedly wrote:
>All the best,
Thanks for posting this. It's nice to see something different.
Jimi Fahnestock
"Some like it HOT"!!! (Ha Ha Ha)
MusicMan
It's suppose to be about Satan's Church.
If you look closely at the window on the cover you will see the man (I
forgot his name), who was the "leader" of Satan's Church! Listen to the
lyrics & you'll see how Satan's Church ties into the song.
cat...@rocketmail.com wrote in article <8630261...@dejanews.com>...
> Does anyone know what this song means?
>
ezlee m. pressed
MusicMan <musi...@terraworld.net> wrote in article
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> It's suppose to be about Satan's Church.
> If you look closely at the window on the cover you will see the man (I
> forgot his name), who was the "leader" of Satan's Church! Listen to the
> lyrics & you'll see how Satan's Church ties into the song.
>
You mean Anton LaVay (sp?) the founder of the Satanic Church??? Naaaah. He
was at the party but he left before that pitcher was taken...but he DID
leave in a black helicopter. Hope this helps...heh, heh...whatta maroon...
ezlee (Divil 3rd Class)
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Vinny Hrovat
In our last episode, "MusicMan" <musi...@terraworld.net> spoke thusly:
>It's suppose to be about Satan's Church.
>If you look closely at the window on the cover you will see the man (I
>forgot his name), who was the "leader" of Satan's Church! Listen to the
>lyrics & you'll see how Satan's Church ties into the song.
Of course, just listen closely. Betcha never tried that before, eh? Hey, try
listening to it backwards, too - perhaps you'll discover that Don Henley's dead
and that Joe Walsh killed JFK from aboard his UFO.
(There's one born every minute - or at least often enough to keep Art Bell on
the air . . . .)
Vinny Hrovat
In our last episode, "MusicMan" <musi...@terraworld.net> spoke thusly:
>It's suppose to be about Satan's Church.
>If you look closely at the window on the cover you will see the man (I
>forgot his name), who was the "leader" of Satan's Church! Listen to the
>lyrics & you'll see how Satan's Church ties into the song.
Of course, listen to the lyrics. Bet nobody here has ever tried that before,
eh? Hey, try listening to them backwards, too - perhaps you'll discover that
The Midnight Watchman
x wrote:
>
> Somebody once told me it was about the Devil ("Beast") and Hell (Hotel
> California) back in '76. Kevin
One time when I was a kid, I was watching my favorite late-night comedy,
the PLT Club (starring the hilarious Jim and Tammy Bakker) when I saw an
"expert" on rock music taking about backward masking and Satanic
messages in rock songs. He said that Hotel California was about the
founding of the Church of Satan in California, of which the Eagles were
members, he alledged. He went on to say that the face in a window
pictured on the inside of the gatefold was none other than Anton LaVey,
Founder of the Church of Satan and that the line "such a lovely face"
was a reference to this. He then "demonstrated" that Hotel California,
when played backwards, contained the line "Satan, Satan, he organized,
he organized his own religion". Another reference to the Church of
Satan.
After that he "demonstrated" that Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust"
played backwards is "It's fun to smoke marijuana!"
MARSHA ANN FOLKS
In article <3376791...@news.wco.com>, gr...@nospam.here added to the
confusion with...
>
>In our last episode, "MusicMan" <musi...@terraworld.net> spoke thusly:
>
>>It's suppose to be about Satan's Church.
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE TRIM THE DAMNED NEWSGROUP LINES AND LEAVE
PNW.PERSONALS OUT OF THIS DINKING CONVERSATION?
WHO GIVES A RIP ABOUT THE EAGLES ANYWAY...THEY ARE HAS-BEENS.
--
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camgib
The Midnight Watchman wrote:
<quip about PTL (Pass the Loot, guys...) snipped>
> After that he "demonstrated" that Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust"
> played backwards is "It's fun to smoke marijuana!"
LOL
I think everybody just takes everything too seriously. It's just another
song. Another One & Hotel California were classic songs though, that I
love.
BTW anybody have the lyrics to Queen's Another One Bites the Dust?
Eagles' Hotel California can be easily found elsewhere...
Later, and don't believe everything the religious right says.
cam gib
camgib
... and it's quite hilarious. Cool "rare" version. Hee hee.
cam gib
Will McDonald
In <01bc5e9a$df4755e0$4b2c...@x.mb.sympatico.ca> "x" <kc...@mts.net>
writes:
>Somebody once told me it was about the Devil ("Beast") and Hell (Hotel
>California) back in '76. Kevin
>
Henley uses the "beast" imagery on his second solo album, "Building the
Perfect Beast." In that context, the word "beast" seems to refer to
society or popular culture. I'm pretty sure that Henley is consistent
in the use of the imagery throughout his lyric writing.
Will
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Will McDonald <wmc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<5l71ns$j...@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com>...
> In <01bc5e9a$df4755e0$4b2c...@x.mb.sympatico.ca> "x" <kc...@mts.net>
> writes:
> >
> >Somebody once told me it was about the Devil ("Beast") and Hell (Hotel
> >California) back in '76. Kevin
> >
>
> Henley uses the "beast" imagery on his second solo album, "Building the
> Perfect Beast." In that context, the word "beast" seems to refer to
> society or popular culture. I'm pretty sure that Henley is consistent
> in the use of the imagery throughout his lyric writing.
>
>
> Will
WILL!
Please say that it isn't true. You've shattered all of my delusions! How
can I face all of those whom I told about the great power of Satan in the
Hotel California LP now? My life is now a worthless pile of dung. I guess
that I'll just listen to my Carman CDs and wallow in self-pity.
Papa John
PS Whenever man gives credit to Satan for anything (good or bad). He
scores!
haun...@ix.netcom.com
heils wrote:
> Hmmm...It must be a theme. Some band did a song a few years ago that
> went something like, "Why did I move to southern California?" I just
> remember the video had some guy running to the bus stop while he was on
> fire.
>
> <snicker>
Reminds me of a great piece of album graffiti that someone wrote on an
album cover at a radio station I worked at years ago...the Pink Floyd
album "Wish You Were Here"...Somebody drew a baloon out of the guy's
mouth who is talking to the other guy that's been torched and has flames
coming off of his body..."I love ya like a brother, Ed. But you're
fired."
-Candice
haun...@ix.netcom.com
haun...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > Can anyone substantiate any of this? Is there anything in print about
> > it? Or perhaps old interviews, etc.?
> >
> > -Candice
> Candice-
> Back in the 70's and 80's..those of us in the concert arenas, witnessing
> paramedics hauling kids overdosing on drugs and alcohol, hearing
> musicians using the stage to trash parents, moral values, being very
> lewd..tried very hard to get the sense of all of this out to parents and
> churches.
> I worked with a number of people, and we handed tracts out to young
> people about Christ and Christian rock/metal alternatives.
(snipped for brevity)
> I apologize for now these 20 years later discovering what I had learned
> and past on may have been in error..
> May each of you find the road easier in discerning fact from fiction,
> truth from error, and then choosing when and when not to draw a
> demarcation line. Peace...
> Larry
Dangerous turf for me, Larry. I've been a rock and roll disc jockey for
almost 25 years, and have lived the lifestyle you describe. What blows
me away the most is the automatic assumptions made by parents, media,
anyone and everyone else concerning what things supposedly meant when
there wasn't a ready explanation.
I have tried to stay out of the "satan" argument from day one...I still
feel strongly that overreaction was the name of the game. This is not
to undermine the explosion of drug abuse and cultural confusion which
blasted out of the 1960's and for which we are paying dearly to this
day...but it is to say that attempting to stop a steamroller with a
dandelion was a bit of a stretch when it came to "converting" rock and
roll fans.
Somehow I feel that the idea that organized religion would be the only
acceptable alternative to rock and roll and its lifestyle(s) is terribly
presumptuous, and the representation of any questionable lyrics or
concepts as 'satanic' horridly overhyped. As many of us as went through
the experiences of those times and lived within the world of rock and
roll while doing it...that's exactly how many different experiences you
would hear if you were to truly listen. There was no defined good and
evil, there was no certain or particular lifestyle...there was
expression and freedom of creative license. For this rock and roll
survivor, the idea that the music and its messages were something that
required censorship and reform was a heinous concept, at best. Each
person's search is their own, and people have the right to experiment
and experience whatever they choose without having things interpreted
for them--especially when many of the interpretations were sadly
mistaken. The thought that any of us needed to be 'saved' from our own
journey is laughable. The information was made available, and all of us
made our own choices. This is as it should be. Honestly, I just can't
see where trying to save entire communities from the perceived ravages
of youth culture via organized religion is any less questionable than
what it is we were supposed to be 'saved' from in the first place.
I chose this life because I love the medium and the freedom it possesses
to communicate the thoughts and feelings of generations. Freedom of
expression should not be subject to the morals and confines of organized
religion, IMHO. The shoving of religion down someone's throat is every
bit as blasphemous as the idea that individuals cannot interpret an art
form as anything other than a call to madness.
-Candice
Melody Kewl
Hello :)
"John Cristion" <cris...@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> writes:
> PS Whenever man gives credit to Satan for anything (good or bad). He
> scores!
Uhm. Who? The man or Satan? ;)
Melody
"Proper antecedent action is a good thing!"
Kewl ;)
P.S. And I'll try not to mention the punctation. ;)
--
"You go back, Jack, and do it again
Wheel turnin' 'round and 'round
You go back, Jack, and do it again"
Stephen & Amy McClune
camgib wrote:
>
> ... and it's quite hilarious. Cool "rare" version. Hee hee.
>
> cam gib
OK, like, did, like, anybody else hear this??
Larry Seiler
haun...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>
> day...but it is to say that attempting to stop a steamroller with a
> dandelion was a bit of a stretch when it came to "converting" rock and
> roll fans.
Well..that is like ridculing Christians taking a stand for their faith
against the legacy of the Roman empire..pity they had to be soaked in
oil and burned on crosses while their wives and children were stripped
of
clothes and fed to lions and beasts to amuse the crowds.
As Christians we do not ascertain the worthiness of a cause based upon
the likelihoods of success. We fight the battles, God is concerned
about
the outcome.
> Somehow I feel that the idea that organized religion would be the only
> acceptable alternative to rock and roll and its lifestyle(s) is terribly
> presumptuous,
In the first place...the exciting thing about Christian rock music,
metal,
grundge, alternative..is that in our subculture we still enjoy the raw
sounds, the emotions, the excitement...and the community of moshing and
stage diving. Cornerstone will have 150 bands this year over five
days..
Organized..is not the issue....it is having faith in Christ. That
living
faith cannot but help change everything, because our faith is a
worldview.
The four worldviews as you know them, Marxist/Leninist, Secular
Humanist,
Cosmic Humanist, and the Biblical are views that influence how we see
and
assimilate everything. Some are aware they are products of Modernism or
Postmodernism..others are not, but they are products none-the-same. We
are
enculturated, we are influenced...and having been a teacher during those
concert years..art teacher, I believe that the arts and music are a
power-
ful media. History demonstrates over and over again that to change a
people,
you must take over the arts and the music. It was one of the first
things
Hitler did when coming to power.
Tolerance breeds tolerance, leads to indifference and then apathy.
History,
sociology, and philosophy supports this emphatically. We are simply
going
to have to agree to disagree.
and the representation of any questionable lyrics or
> concepts as 'satanic' horridly overhyped.
From a Biblical worldview...Jesus has said that we are either living at
all
times for Him..or we are being duped and led around and living for
satan.
That does not imply one must be hideous, but that one's actions are not
living for God. To not live for God is to further the causes of the
kingdom
of darkness. It is no more overhyped that the person of Jesus himself.
As many of us as went through
> the experiences of those times and lived within the world of rock and
> roll while doing it...that's exactly how many different experiences you
> would hear if you were to truly listen. There was no defined good and
> evil, there was no certain or particular lifestyle...there was
> expression and freedom of creative license.
Having been in the Navy during the end of Vietnam, understanding the
protests of students, the disillusionment of Kent State killings which
brought on the state of escaping through the hippy era..I'd have to
again
disagree. Key individuals such as John Cagin influencing the economic
ethic of Government lending money to citizens to create affluence among
citizens creating the national debt, John Dewey influencing humanist
education were all clear steps and efforts intended to break away from
a Biblical worldview and were successful. The Supreme court always
depended upon prior precedence and neglected to do so when humanism,
evolution..etc., was leaning toward breaking once again from the
Biblical worldview. There was at one time a defined good, it is called
the Biblical worldview. All others are based upon cultural relativism,
behaviourism, and generalism, or situational ethics in which case you
would be right. To say never..in regard to Christian intent is to
recognize the other worldviews, but not that very worldview which fueled
the very efforts of the Christians.
For this rock and roll
> survivor, the idea that the music and its messages were something that
> required censorship and reform was a heinous concept, at best. Each
> person's search is their own, and people have the right to experiment
> and experience whatever they choose
without saying I agree with you or not..you are stating here an ethic.
When you do so, recognizing it or not, you assume a worldview which is
not independent. As you state what is "heinous" or "rights", the
intellectual individual must ask the question "what makes a right right,
and a wrong wrong!" You reasoning is also circular, for then I would
have the right to be objectionable to you and your disdain would be an
indictment against your own position.
without having things interpreted
> for them--especially when many of the interpretations were sadly
> mistaken. The thought that any of us needed to be 'saved' from our own
> journey is laughable.
And we suppose a blind person need not see either. Again, you state as
if you know..as if you possess transcendence, yet possess a finite
mind not capable of seeing beyond the veil, which is presumptuous at
best
to declare what "is" not necessary.
The information was made available, and all of us
> made our own choices. This is as it should be. Honestly, I just can't
> see where trying to save entire communities from the perceived ravages
> of youth culture via organized religion is any less questionable than
> what it is we were supposed to be 'saved' from in the first place.
It is a cause no less different than any perceived threat. The rain
forests, global warming, the depletion of the whales, recycling..all
issues
which have been thrust upon us for its "perceived ravages" on mankind.
Perhaps you simply have not seen the victims I have, nor spend time in
prison helping individuals try to piece their wasted lives back
together.
There are reasons that teachers are seeing greater apathy, greater
cynicism
toward anything we would want them to see as valid and important in the
classroom..ranging from broken homes that the culture of their parents
told
them was okay to cheat..live life to the hilt, get while all the getting
was
good at all costs..on and on ad nauseum. I love music and art..I am
both
a musician and an artist. I see the influence. Fortunately, some
musicians
are now seeing the influence also, and take responsibility to admit
their
mistakes in the drug culture. Why should the singer of Aerosmith
crusade
now against the drug life that almost killed him and his friends if he
believed he has no potential to influences kids for good??? Well, logic
must follow that if influence can be used for good, it certainly can be
used negatively as well. Personally, I didn't spend five years of
college,
time in the Navy to get the GI bill to finish college, practice
teaching,
and then eight years teaching because there is no potential to
enculturate
or influence young people...and do so positively.
I cannot on one hand express virtues and support excellence and then
look
the other way when a musician rants about the joys of killing or raping
if
I am truly consistent in caring about young people. It would be a
mockery
of my college education, and a hypocrisy of any time I would say I care
about the wellbeing of young people. Sorry...Charles Barclay may say he
doesn't want to be a role model....but, he is!!
> I chose this life because I love the medium and the freedom it possesses
> to communicate the thoughts and feelings of generations.
thoughts and feelings are redundant lest that have potential for
changing
and enculturation....
Freedom of
> expression should not be subject to the morals and confines of organized
> religion, IMHO.
There are four worldviews...all worldviews are religious in nature and
have
tenets of faith for their adherents.
The shoving of religion down someone's throat is every
> bit as blasphemous as the idea that individuals cannot interpret an art
> form as anything other than a call to madness.
> -Candice
The silence of a religious person of their convictions is an indication
that
he is convinced of none of them.
Larry
Miss Happy
x wrote:
>
> Somebody once told me it was about the Devil ("Beast") and Hell (Hotel
> California) back in '76. Kevin
Nah, it's about Roach Motel.
"You can cheeck out anytime you like, but you can never leave."
Get real, people. Satanism?
Don, Glenn and John David worked on the lyrics of this Don Felder song.
They were rich and everything, but they did have roach problems. They
went out and bought some Roach Motels. They were inspired from those
little boxes. The rest is history...
Stop taking everything so seriously. It's just a song.
Richard Haines
All of this Eagles = Satanism comments are interesting. Reminds me of when
many were claiming that KISS stood for Knights in satans Service. Anyone
remember that? Do we have any closet KISS fans out there?
RWH
The Midnight Watchman
x wrote:
>
> Somebody once told me it was about the Devil ("Beast") and Hell (Hotel
> California) back in '76. Kevin
One time when I was a kid, I was watching my favorite late-night comedy,
the PLT Club (starring the hilarious Jim and Tammy Bakker) when I saw an
"expert" on rock music taking about backward masking and Satanic
messages in rock songs. He said that Hotel California was about the
founding of the Church of Satan in California, of which the Eagles were
members, he alledged. He went on to say that the face in a window
pictured on the inside of the gatefold was none other than Anton LaVey,
Founder of the Church of Satan and that the line "such a lovely face"
was a reference to this. He then "demonstrated" that Hotel California,
when played backwards, contained the line "Satan, Satan, he organized,
he organized his own religion". Another reference to the Church of
Satan.
After that he "demonstrated" that Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust"
G.W. Owen
camgib (cam...@mindspring.com) wrote:
: The Midnight Watchman wrote:
: > After that he "demonstrated" that Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust"
: > played backwards is "It's fun to smoke marijuana!"
: BTW anybody have the lyrics to Queen's Another One Bites the Dust?
: Eagles' Hotel California can be easily found elsewhere...
Is that the one who's first line is
"anaujiram ekoms ot nuf sti"?
--
Gareth Owen
eh?
Bruce H. McIntosh
(* newsgroups snipped *)
On 9 May 1997, Jerry B. Ray wrote:
> In article <337362...@ntj.com>, Mark Chaffee <ma...@ntj.com> wrote:
> >> Maybe "Southern Man"?
> >And I always did like Lynard Skynard's response to that song...
> "Turn it up..."
(* shudder *) I'm a Skynyrd fan, but I shudder every time I hear Sweet
Home Alabama. When Sue & I were driving to Tennessee for our honeymoon,
some station in Atlanta was getting set to change formats or something,
and played that song over and over; for the entire time the car was in
range of that station it repeated, alternating with a blurb to the effect
that, after a certain date and time, "You'll never have to hear this song
again!" But by golly, *UNTIL* that date and time, you weren't gonna hear
anything ELSE! :-)
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Still counting down / One more horizon / Fades in the distance / And now
As we are standing here / Two thousand down
Bud Hanke
This whole thread is getting ridiculous. The song had absolutley
nothing to do with the devil or any other religion. Just drop
it....keep your religious beliefs to yourself.......or in your own
newgroup.
Bud
Bud Hanke
I'm not a closet KISS fan.....I LOVE THEM!!!!!!!!!! I'm not
ashamed!!!! I would give anyone $100 right now if they could find a
single reference to "satanism" in any of their songs. Go ahead and
try....good luck finding a song that isn't about sex and parties....
Bud
Larry Seiler
Miss Happy wrote:
>
> x wrote:
> >
> > Somebody once told me it was about the Devil ("Beast") and Hell (Hotel
> > California) back in '76. Kevin
>
> "You can cheeck out anytime you like, but you can never leave."
>
> Get real, people. Satanism?
>
> Don, Glenn and John David worked on the lyrics of this Don Felder song.
> They were rich and everything, but they did have roach problems. They
> went out and bought some Roach Motels. They were inspired from those
> little boxes. The rest is history...
I'll agree with what you've said to this last point. As a teacher, an
artist, and a musician..and a past youth pastor..
>
> "Stop taking everything so seriously. It's just a song."
CS Lewis said that "ideas have consequences" Can't be naive to say
anything is "just a..." for you open yourself to deception. We are
told to test everything in scripture.
Don't be so open minded that anything spills in...taking a stand for
nothing, means you'll fall for anything.
I'm sure we could have heard this..."C'mon Eve..it's just an apple!"
Larry.....
Larry Seiler
Bud......I don't know where you are cross posting from, but originally I
only posted my comments in rec.music.christian
others busted in from wherever so..your point goes without saying.
But since you're here..think you too need Christ no different than I or
anyone else!
I'm sending this cross post back at you, and if you would so like, since
I don't know or care where you hang out..please delete further postings
to this site and you won't have anything to worry about!
Larry
Roderick Affleck
Stephen & Amy McClune (sa...@pepper.ncinter.net) wrote:
It's true. And now a bunch of us evangelical windows users will try to
tell you that you have taken the path towards evil.
Bill Gates loves me, this I know.
For the Windows manual tells me so.
Roderick
--
Join me or die. Can you do any less?
Jimi Fahnestock
Oh Boy is this getting outta hand or what!
KISS...UGH
My old teacher was VP Business Affairs of Casablanca. Could you really
call them a band. Kinda like calling the Village People one. The first
person hired for The Village People was a clothes designer. Then some
actors to fill the clothes. So much for talent.
Jimi
P.S. Before that he was V.P. of RCA - remember The Monkees. Now I can see
Hotel california string going to Milli Vanilli. Hmmm let's compare Jesus
Christ, Anton Lavay, Davey Jone and Milli Vanilli while we're at it.
Jimi Fahnestock
Hey, I just figured it all out:
Peter Tork (The Monkees) is The Father, The Construction Worker (Village
People) is The Son, and Danny Bonaduche (The Partridge Family) is The Holy
Ghost. YEE HAH I'VE GOT RELIGION!!!!!
or was it The Construction Worker is The Father....
Jimi
Bud Hanke
Larry Seiler wrote:
>
>
> Bud......I don't know where you are cross posting from, but originally I
> only posted my comments in rec.music.christian
> others busted in from wherever so..your point goes without saying.
> But since you're here..think you too need Christ no different than I or
> anyone else!
> I'm sending this cross post back at you, and if you would so like, since
> I don't know or care where you hang out..please delete further postings
> to this site and you won't have anything to worry about!
>
> Larry
Sorry about that....I didn't see it was going to the christian music
newsgroup...guess it would be hard to keep religion out of those
posts!!! I was posting from the guitar group....I'll check next time!!!
Bud
Duncan.hewitt
I have been told this song is about the times that various members of the
band spent in a drugs-alcohol clinic in california trying to 'dry out'. At
least the lyrics seem to fit this explanation!
Cannop
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> Does anyone know what this song means?
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A. D. Collins
On 12 May 1997, Richard Haines wrote:
> All of this Eagles = Satanism comments are interesting. Reminds me of when
> many were claiming that KISS stood for Knights in satans Service. Anyone
> remember that? Do we have any closet KISS fans out there?
How 'bout AC/DC = After Christ, Devil Comes ..
later,
ash man
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"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S Thompson
Melody Kewl
Hello. :)
"Paul L. Schmidt" <PSch...@Viaduct.nospam.Custom.Net> writes:
> On 12 May 1997 21:56:43 GMT Richard Haines (hai...@platinum.com) wrote:
>
> : All of this Eagles = Satanism comments are interesting. Reminds me of when
> : many were claiming that KISS stood for Knights in satans Service. Anyone
> : remember that? Do we have any closet KISS fans out there?
>
> I remember that rumor quite well -- turned out that it couldn't
> possibly be true. KISS was an American band, and you can't be
> a K-niggit without being Bri-ish.
Yeah, right. Tell that to the KKK. ;)
MK
Matt Laswell
Larry Seiler (lse...@eau.net) wrote:
: Bud Hanke wrote:
: >
: > This whole thread is getting ridiculous. The song had absolutley
: > nothing to do with the devil or any other religion. Just drop
: > it....keep your religious beliefs to yourself.......or in your own
: > newgroup.
: Bud......I don't know where you are cross posting from, but originally I
: only posted my comments in rec.music.christian
: others busted in from wherever so..your point goes without saying.
Ummm, no, Larry. I took a look at your original posting under this
subject heading and it was crossposted to a lot of different groups.
No doubt you were following up to somebody else's crossposting, but
I'd suggest you spend a little more time familiarizing yourself with
the many excellent features of your newsreader of choice.
- matt
Larry Seiler
Matt-
Actually, my retraction...was intentionally to all the cross posts,
because the people that had given me some unique insights and
information correcting what I had thought to be true...did so in such a
way that everyone was reading corrections aimed at me. My original
commentary of the Eagles and the song, was to an individual on
rec.music.christian It was necessary if I was to give a retraction to
apologize in essence to everyone, that there might be no
misunderstanding. I am hereby again crossposting to make that
understood.... Larry.... and again apologize.
Talos
Jimi Fahnestock wrote:
>
> >
> > Stop taking everything so seriously. It's just a song.
> >
> So what?
> You can't argue with a sick mind.
> But seriously folks...
> Joe Walsh for President
But of course, Frank died so now we can go with Joe. How about
How about Ray Stevens for Vice Pres? We need a little more
out & out humor in there. ;)
--
Rick 'Talos' Young
http://www.pacifier.com/~ryofnqp/
Barbara
-- The whole Hotel California issue has been addressed by the members of
the band so many times it's getting ridiculous. If you don't believe
me, or the band members, or any other reasonable information source dig
out the Hotel California album, open the inset and take a magnifying
glass to it...you will see that that person in the balcony IS A WOMAN!!!
Unless somehow Anton LaVey shaved his legs, grew breasts and cross
dresses, that is a person in the balcony, not satan or LaVey or anything
else. The picture of the hotel on the front cover is actually the
Beverly Hills Hotel, which is still around today. The lobby in the
inset was taken at an apartment building...not the church of Satan.
And for those of you who are gullible enough to believe that AC/DC
stands for Anti Christ whatever....Ac/Dc is an electrical term meaning
Alternating Current/Direct Current...which would also explain why the
little lightning symbol is used.
When you interpret art it is criticism, when you interpret an artist it
is prejudice. Rock and Roll is an art form which is generated from the
most powerful and violent human emotions...anger, love, lust, fear etc.
It is no more satanic than the emotions themselves. Many modern
religions tell us we are not supposed to feel these things...instead to
keep them bottled up under our virtues...but these feelings are all part
of the human psyche and they have to be expressed. Then one could say
we need the devil in our lives to recognize God, we need violent emotion
to recognize peaceful emotion. without it we wouldn't be able to tell
the difference between one or the other. Rock and Roll is a release of
those emotions.
Listen to reason...not rumour
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**I saw a sign on Easy Street that said "Be Prepared to Stop"**
-Don Henley-
Jimi Fahnestock
Daniel Modlin
Paul L. Schmidt wrote:
>
> On 12 May 1997 21:56:43 GMT Richard Haines (hai...@platinum.com) wrote:
>
> : All of this Eagles = Satanism comments are interesting. Reminds me of when
> : many were claiming that KISS stood for Knights in satans Service. Anyone
> : remember that? Do we have any closet KISS fans out there?
>
> I remember that rumor quite well -- turned out that it couldn't
> possibly be true. KISS was an American band, and you can't be
> a K-niggit without being Bri-ish.
>
true?-------Daniel
Bass
From a musical point of view, doesn't anyone notice that the whole song
is a progression from B-A-G-F#? That alone sounds rather depressing.
LaChEsIs
On Tue, 13 May 1997 15:25:49 -0500, "A. D. Collins"
<ac...@jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote:
>
>On 12 May 1997, Richard Haines wrote:
>
>> All of this Eagles = Satanism comments are interesting. Reminds me of when
>> many were claiming that KISS stood for Knights in satans Service. Anyone
>> remember that? Do we have any closet KISS fans out there?
>
>How 'bout AC/DC = After Christ, Devil Comes ..
>
> later,
> ash man
> http://people.unt.edu/~acol
>
> "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
> Hunter S Thompson
>
Sure, because that's all AC/DC can stand for. Sure thing.
Micah Potechin
A. D. Collins wrote:
> How 'bout AC/DC = After Christ, Devil Comes ..
I heard something like that, but I dismissed it.
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, x <kc...@mts.net> muttered:
>Somebody once told me it was about the Devil ("Beast") and Hell (Hotel
>California) back in '76. Kevin
Forget what it was about in '76. I want to know what it's about NOW!
Or was it about what was going on with the devil and hell back in '76?
Who was this mysterious "Somebody"? Did he have any relation to
Texe Marrs or Bill Gothard or maybe Bob Larson?
Enquiring minds want to kNOw.
--
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Kevin.L.Schoevers
>Paul L. Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> On 12 May 1997 21:56:43 GMT Richard Haines (hai...@platinum.com) wrote:
>>
>> : All of this Eagles = Satanism comments are interesting. Reminds me of when
>> : many were claiming that KISS stood for Knights in satans Service. Anyone
>> : remember that? Do we have any closet KISS fans out there?
>>
>> I remember that rumor quite well -- turned out that it couldn't
>> possibly be true. KISS was an American band, and you can't be
>> a K-niggit without being Bri-ish.
>>
>I also heard that AC/DC stands for anti christ devil child. Is this
>true?-------Daniel
what a load of bollocks.
If you want the real story of AC/DC naming and origin chase down an
old interview of George Young (older brother of Malcolm and Angus,
member of Easybeays and Flash and the Pan and Vanda and Young who also
happens to manage AC/DC) done in the seventies on Sounds (I think)
where he explains the whole original setup of Malcolms band (yes thats
right MALCOLMS).
regards
Schooner
Christian Musician who also loves Motorhead and Heavy Metal and Blues
etc
"They say to cut my hair,
They're driving me insane.
I grew it out long to make room for my BRAIN"
Larry Norman
"Why should the devil have all the good music"
Bud Hanke
Too bad others don't do the same......
Stephen Moore
> How 'bout AC/DC = After Christ, Devil Comes ..
Angus said he saw the letters AC/DC on his Mum's
vacuum cleaner, at an early age...
Let's face it, if we took Petra to be an acronym, we could
come up with something satanic...
Steve.
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Stephen Moore wrote:
>
> Let's face it, if we took Petra to be an acronym, we could
> come up with something satanic...
Any funny side-note:
If you do a Yahoo! search for "Petra" you also get some links to porn sites...
Dan
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Very well stated....
Bud
Matt Laswell
Larry Seiler (lse...@eau.net) wrote:: > : Bud......I don't know where you are cross posting from, but originally I
: > : only posted my comments in rec.music.christian
: > : others busted in from wherever so..your point goes without saying.
: >
: > Ummm, no, Larry. I took a look at your original posting under this
: > subject heading and it was crossposted to a lot of different groups.
: > No doubt you were following up to somebody else's crossposting, but
: > I'd suggest you spend a little more time familiarizing yourself with
: > the many excellent features of your newsreader of choice.
: Actually, my retraction...was intentionally to all the cross posts,
: because the people that had given me some unique insights and
: information correcting what I had thought to be true...did so in such a
: way that everyone was reading corrections aimed at me. My original
: commentary of the Eagles and the song, was to an individual on
: rec.music.christian
Ummm, no, Larry. I took a look at your original posting under the
"Hotel California" subject and it was crossposted to a lot of different
groups, essentially the same set as your retraction was. Again, I'm sure
you were just following up to somebody else's crossposting, but I'd
suggest (perhaps more strenuously this time) that you spend a little more
Scholar and Fool
While still dazed, Barbara <go...@mail.netshop.net> muttered:
>And for those of you who are gullible enough to believe that AC/DC
>stands for Anti Christ whatever....Ac/Dc is an electrical term meaning
>Alternating Current/Direct Current...which would also explain why the
>little lightning symbol is used.
Ah-ha. But we ALL know that the lightning symbol is a common symbol
of Satanism! Along with satanic spheres, satanic triangles, goats,
Egyptian mythology, and words ending in an "s" that have been changed
to a "z". Oh yeah...and Erkyl from "Family Matters."
Believe me, I know. I've got plenty of books that say these things,
explain them in great detail, and even give picture examples from
various satanic bands' albums - like Heuy Lewis, Devo, Poison, Heart,
Twisted Sister, and many other bands that are also currently hip
with the youth of today.
Reverend Phool - Dispenser of Truth and Official Voice o' God
Jeff Holland
Scholar and Fool (hatf...@alpha1.phoenix.net) wrote:
: While still dazed, Barbara <go...@mail.netshop.net> muttered:
: >And for those of you who are gullible enough to believe that AC/DC
: >stands for Anti Christ whatever....Ac/Dc is an electrical term meaning
: >Alternating Current/Direct Current...which would also explain why the
: >little lightning symbol is used.
: Ah-ha. But we ALL know that the lightning symbol is a common symbol
: of Satanism! Along with satanic spheres, satanic triangles, goats,
: Egyptian mythology, and words ending in an "s" that have been changed
: to a "z". Oh yeah...and Erkyl from "Family Matters."
: Believe me, I know. I've got plenty of books that say these things,
: explain them in great detail, and even give picture examples from
: various satanic bands' albums - like Heuy Lewis, Devo, Poison, Heart,
: Twisted Sister, and many other bands that are also currently hip
: with the youth of today.
*dazed*
Huey Lewis?
Aw man.
And all this time I thought.....
Aw, man.
Jeff
(I'm _so_ distressed.)
NP: Kansas: self-titled
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Has waited long enough to get here she knows that I must
Sing about her future oh sing about her past I love to play my music
And I try to make it last but sometimes summer comes too fast
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James Cameron
It's funny that this should appear here... as I was talking to Don Henley myself
a few months ago about this very topic!
No shit - he was being interviewed for a German music magazine I believe, and as
a result of having a friend who knows a friend etc., I got to speak to him.
I won't bore you with all the details, but basically, whilst you can read a lot
into HC, and some of the ideas do have some significance, Don basically made
most of it off the top of his head! GENIUS!
At the time, he was struggling a little with lyrics, and sought advice from a
few people whom you can probably guess, who suggested he just stick a whole lot
of words together, that don't mean much but sound real cool, et voila! A cool
soundsing lyric that will have 'em guessing for years!
Incidentally, the cover was designed after the song was written, by office
designers/artists who took their own meanings from the song.
Interesting stuff, eh?!
Hope this helps settle a few disagreements...
Cheers,
James
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"A. D. Collins" <ac...@jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote:
>On 12 May 1997, Richard Haines wrote:
>> All of this Eagles = Satanism comments are interesting. Reminds me of when
>> many were claiming that KISS stood for Knights in satans Service. Anyone
>> remember that? Do we have any closet KISS fans out there?
>How 'bout AC/DC = After Christ, Devil Comes ..
Never heard that one before.... I heard : AntiChrist/Death of Christ.
Just goes to say how true those allegations are.
Matt LaPlante
"F*ck You! I can live my own life in my own way if I want to!"
-Monty Python's Meaning of life
G.W. Owen
A. D. Collins (ac...@jove.acs.unt.edu) wrote:
:
: On 12 May 1997, Richard Haines wrote:
:
: > All of this Eagles = Satanism comments are interesting. Reminds me of when
: > many were claiming that KISS stood for Knights in satans Service. Anyone
: > remember that? Do we have any closet KISS fans out there?
:
: How 'bout AC/DC = After Christ, Devil Comes ..
No, it's definitely:-
Armadillos can't dance charlestons.
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There are a finite number of jokes in the universe.
Risto Virtanen
In article <3378DD...@earthlink.net>, dmo...@earthlink.net wrote:
> I also heard that AC/DC stands for anti christ devil child. Is this
> true?-------Daniel
I learned in school that it meant: Alternating Current/Direct Current.
In slang it's supposed to mean: bisexual.
So do we have a bisexual group there?
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This posting contains nobody's opinions; just pure facts.
Ryan Coleman
KISS actually stands for Knight in the Service of Satan. you can ask
them yourself at:<http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7905>
Well KISS isn't really at my webpage but we don't need to advertise
that.
Paul L. Schmidt
On Wed, 14 May 1997 08:43:30 +0100 Stephen Moore (*st...@shpcorp.dnet.co.uk*) wrote:
: Let's face it, if we took Petra to be an acronym, we could
: come up with something satanic...
Mabye "Persistent Evangelicals Tossing Rumors Around"?
Obviously a commentary on modern "Christian" society, not on
their band. Fits pretty well -- aren't they they guys (or at
least some guys who formerly were in the band) who backward-
masked "What are you looking for the Devil for, when you
ought to be looking for the Lord?" into one of their songs?
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Joe C. Kubilius
Ryan Coleman muttered something about:
: KISS actually stands for Knight in the Service of Satan. you can ask
: them yourself at:<http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7905>
who cares?
what's wrong with satanism?
and what's further, why should an artist/group's religious preference
influence your idea of their MUSIC?
get over it.
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: Well KISS isn't really at my webpage but we don't need to advertise
: that.
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The Beast of Aaaargh (bel...@nb.sympatico.ca) wrote:
:
: Just goes to say how true those allegations are.
Yeah but you forgot 'Arseholes Can't Distinguish Crap'
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Zeb
Risto Virtanen wrote:
>
> In article <3378DD...@earthlink.net>, dmo...@earthlink.net wrote:
> > I also heard that AC/DC stands for anti christ devil child. Is this
> > true?-------Daniel
>
> I learned in school that it meant: Alternating Current/Direct Current.
> In slang it's supposed to mean: bisexual.
> So do we have a bisexual group there?
No, just the best rock n roll band on the earth.
The Fairweathers
Many people do think it means Anti-Christ Devil Child or After Christ
Devil comes but in no way is AC/DC satanic (well at least not the name)
You were correct saying that it means Alternate Current Direct Current
but I don't know about the bisexual thing
Risto Virtanen wrote:
>
> In article <3378DD...@earthlink.net>, dmo...@earthlink.net wrote:
> > I also heard that AC/DC stands for anti christ devil child. Is this
> > true?-------Daniel
>
> I learned in school that it meant: Alternating Current/Direct Current.
> In slang it's supposed to mean: bisexual.
> So do we have a bisexual group there?
>
Michal McGuire
> >How 'bout AC/DC = After Christ, Devil Comes ..
> Sure, because that's all AC/DC can stand for. Sure thing.
ok. I read this in an interview years ago. They were sitting around
trying to think up band names and saw the AC/DC on a vacuum cleaner.
They thought this associated with electricity (of course) and in turn
thought of "High Voltage" (The name of an AC/DC album eventually) and
thus took the name. If you people spent as much time doing something
constructive as you do trying to come up with names that match the
letters of band names, the world would be a lot better place. Long live
Rock-N-Roll.
Michal McGuire
> Don't be so open minded that anything spills in...taking a stand for
> nothing, means you'll fall for anything.
>
> I'm sure we could have heard this..."C'mon Eve..it's just an apple!"
I tried to leave this one alone, but I couldn't resist. This guy is
spitting cliches out like a wood chipper and then brings up adam and
eve. One point: If you were gonna say that, at least get it somewhat
accurate. It would say "C'mon Adam..." because, according to the
scripture, Eve was deceived and brought the apple to Adam, not the other
way around.