Most overrated/underrated
Matthew W. I. Dunn
(1) WHITECROSS;
Don't all the CD's start to sound the same after a while? 3 (maybe,
4) songs on each product are good. The rest are usually sub-par or
just plain bad.
(2) BRIDE;
Been around for a long time.
How many people, though, have been burned by a Bride CD that should've
rocked -- but, blew instead?
Anybody for a fistful of disappointment?
(3) RECON;
The legendary George Ochoa on guitars. What could go wrong?
Well, putting out a CD that sounds like one guitar solo after another,
that's what.
(4) HOLY SOLDIER;
"Ssss-trayn-juhzzz"!
How could a band screw up a killer opening like that?
Easily . . . hack the song's guitar solo to pieces so that what should
have been a "barn burner" is a mere 3 and a half minutes long. Except
for a fantastic ballad ("The Pain Inside"), HS showed itself otherwise
forgettable.
(5) NEON CROSS.
Has this become a Christian Metal classic because it's good -- or,
'cause there's little else to choose from?
Dishonorable mentions: LEVITICUS, BARREN CROSS
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TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED BANDS IN CHRISTIAN METAL/HARD ROCK:
(1) SACRED WARRIOR;
Yes, this band has a small, loyal following.
Yes, this band far surpasses many others in musicianship.
Yet, it is dismissed as a Queensryche-clone.
Perhaps, . . . but, not everyone needs to sound like Stryper!
(2) ZION;
Zion's one CD is the Christian equivalent to Def Leppard's "Pyromania"
-- an AOR classic!
Yet, some Metalheads turn their noses up at it because of its
radio-friendly tendencies. Too bad.
(3) ARMAGEDDON;
Most songs over 4 minutes; music alternating out of the speakers;
distortions; subliminal lyrics: Now THAT's Heavy Metal!
Armageddon put out "The Money Mask" and disappeared. Still, this
classic should not be forgotten.
(4) PETRA;
Aw, they're sell-outs!
Do "sell outs" stay in the business for 30 years without compromising
their message?
(5) MESSIAH PROPHET;
Although viewed more as an extension of a group's ministry than a rock
band, the Messiah Prophet Band helped to show people in the 1980's
that Christians could indeed play polished Metal.
In fact, MP was in some ways (such as, lyrically) more mature than
Stryper.
Honorable mentions: NEW JERUSALEM
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
Matthew W. I. Dunn <dunn...@shu.edu> wrote:
I'm not much of a metalhead, really, but I can throw in a few comments...
>TOP 5 MOST OVERRATED BANDS IN CHRISTIAN METAL/HARD ROCK:
>
>(1) WHITECROSS;
>
>Don't all the CD's start to sound the same after a while? 3 (maybe,
>4) songs on each product are good. The rest are usually sub-par or
>just plain bad.
I've only ever heard one of their CDs (_Triumphant Return_, or something
like that). I wanted to like 'em, but they never really did much for me.
>(2) BRIDE;
>
>Been around for a long time.
>How many people, though, have been burned by a Bride CD that should've
>rocked -- but, blew instead?
>Anybody for a fistful of disappointment?
My Bride experience is similar to my Whitecross experience. Just
substitute _Snakes In The Playground_, or whatever, for the one CD
that I've heard.
>(3) RECON;
>
>The legendary George Ochoa on guitars. What could go wrong?
>Well, putting out a CD that sounds like one guitar solo after another,
>that's what.
Never heard 'em.
>(4) HOLY SOLDIER;
>
>"Ssss-trayn-juhzzz"!
>How could a band screw up a killer opening like that?
>
>Easily . . . hack the song's guitar solo to pieces so that what should
>have been a "barn burner" is a mere 3 and a half minutes long. Except
>for a fantastic ballad ("The Pain Inside"), HS showed itself otherwise
>forgettable.
Had some promise, but never seemed to realize it. I bought the first
CD when it came out, and it had a couple of songs that almost worked,
but again, just didn't grab me enough to make me want to listen. Gave
the first CD away at Cornerstone.
>(5) NEON CROSS.
>
>Has this become a Christian Metal classic because it's good -- or,
>'cause there's little else to choose from?
Never heard 'em.
>Dishonorable mentions: LEVITICUS, BARREN CROSS
I gave away a Leviticus CD at Cornerstone, too. Had one ballad that was
good, and that was about it. I've got _State Of Control_ by Barren Cross,
and it's OK.
>TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED BANDS IN CHRISTIAN METAL/HARD ROCK:
>
>(1) SACRED WARRIOR;
>
>Yes, this band has a small, loyal following.
>Yes, this band far surpasses many others in musicianship.
>Yet, it is dismissed as a Queensryche-clone.
>
>Perhaps, . . . but, not everyone needs to sound like Stryper!
Never heard 'em. But there's nothing wrong with being a Queensryche
clone if you've got the skill for it.
>(2) ZION;
>
>Zion's one CD is the Christian equivalent to Def Leppard's "Pyromania"
>-- an AOR classic!
>Yet, some Metalheads turn their noses up at it because of its
>radio-friendly tendencies. Too bad.
Never heard 'em. I do like Def Leppard, though. :-)
>(3) ARMAGEDDON;
>
>Most songs over 4 minutes; music alternating out of the speakers;
>distortions; subliminal lyrics: Now THAT's Heavy Metal!
>
>Armageddon put out "The Money Mask" and disappeared. Still, this
>classic should not be forgotten.
Never heard 'em. Don't think I've heard OF 'em.
>(4) PETRA;
>
>Aw, they're sell-outs!
>Do "sell outs" stay in the business for 30 years without compromising
>their message?
Not really "metal," are they? Closest they got was probably _On Fire_.
I love their early stuff (discounting the first couple of albums), up
through the first 3 or 4 Schlitt CDs. After that, it's all been downhill,
though.
>(5) MESSIAH PROPHET;
>
>Although viewed more as an extension of a group's ministry than a rock
>band, the Messiah Prophet Band helped to show people in the 1980's
>that Christians could indeed play polished Metal.
>
>In fact, MP was in some ways (such as, lyrically) more mature than
>Stryper.
Never heard 'em.
>Honorable mentions: NEW JERUSALEM
The only New Jerusalem song I've ever heard was probably the single worst
song I've ever heard.
JRjr
--
%%%%% Jerry B. Ray, Jr. %%%%%%%% www.prism.gatech.edu/~vapspwi %%%%%%%%%%%
"Some will shake off the sloth of faithlessness
While others simply languish in their sleep
Me, I just fight to stay awake..." -- VOL, "Black Cloud O'er Me"
Wednesday White
>(1) WHITECROSS;
>Dishonorable mentions: LEVITICUS, BARREN CROSS
So, basically, never call your band anything with "cross" in it.
Fine by me.
Wednesday White
>Never heard 'em. But there's nothing wrong with being a Queensryche
>clone if you've got the skill for it.
If they didn't, they wouldn't be a Queensryche clone, would they?
(NOTE: I have so little idea about the band in question that, by editing
out their name, I've forgotten who they are.)
>>(4) PETRA;
[...]
>Not really "metal," are they? Closest they got was probably _On Fire_.
Well, they do have the eighties cheese thing going in places.
>I love their early stuff (discounting the first couple of albums), up
Whaaaat? You're not down with the folky coffeehouse?
Cheef
have been.
I half-agree on Whitecross. They were retty good on one album. (It had
that one song, something like "enough is enough".) After that I lost
interest.
But, hey, how did you miss Jerusalem? Ulf & the boys produced some of the
best metal, esp. their first few albums.
Michael A. Vickers
>>(1) WHITECROSS;
>>
>>Don't all the CD's start to sound the same after a while? 3 (maybe,
>>4) songs on each product are good. The rest are usually sub-par or
>>just plain bad.
>I've only ever heard one of their CDs (_Triumphant Return_, or something
>like that). I wanted to like 'em, but they never really did much for me.
Try either of their first two albums - S/T and _Hammer and Nail_.
>>(3) RECON;
>>
>>The legendary George Ochoa on guitars. What could go wrong?
>>Well, putting out a CD that sounds like one guitar solo after another,
>>that's what.
>Never heard 'em.
They sucked. I'm not sure what was legendary about Ochoa. I think Jimmy Brown
was more legendary than George.
>>(4) HOLY SOLDIER;
>>
>>"Ssss-trayn-juhzzz"!
>>How could a band screw up a killer opening like that?
>>
>>Easily . . . hack the song's guitar solo to pieces so that what should
>>have been a "barn burner" is a mere 3 and a half minutes long. Except
>>for a fantastic ballad ("The Pain Inside"), HS showed itself otherwise
>>forgettable.
>Had some promise, but never seemed to realize it. I bought the first
>CD when it came out, and it had a couple of songs that almost worked,
>but again, just didn't grab me enough to make me want to listen. Gave
>the first CD away at Cornerstone.
Never got into the first album, but thought the second album was really
solid. Their third one was bleah.
>>(5) NEON CROSS.
>>
>>Has this become a Christian Metal classic because it's good -- or,
>>'cause there's little else to choose from?
>Never heard 'em.
"Thisss is the riiiiiight tiiime."
>>Dishonorable mentions: LEVITICUS, BARREN CROSS
>I gave away a Leviticus CD at Cornerstone, too. Had one ballad that was
>good, and that was about it. I've got _State Of Control_ by Barren Cross,
>and it's OK.
Never liked Leviticus much. _State of Control_ is my favorite, probably
because it was at the height of the Elefante movement.
>>(3) ARMAGEDDON;
>>
>>Most songs over 4 minutes; music alternating out of the speakers;
>>distortions; subliminal lyrics: Now THAT's Heavy Metal!
>>
>>Armageddon put out "The Money Mask" and disappeared. Still, this
>>classic should not be forgotten.
>Never heard 'em. Don't think I've heard OF 'em.
They stunk, actually.
Most of the catalog here is 80's based. Not that there's anything wrong with
that, but it seems like 90's Christian Metal just didn't make much of an
impact.
Michael
Some pilgrims without weapons sometime get nailed to a tree,
They use no anesthetics, but the surgery's guaranteed. - VOL
Michael A. Vickers
>But, hey, how did you miss Jerusalem? Ulf & the boys produced some of the
>best metal, esp. their first few albums.
Ugh. I think the most under-rated Christian metal act ever has been
Tourniquet. They really hit their stride with _Psycho Surgery_ and
_Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance_, trailed off a bit when they lost half the
band, and then sort of came back with _Crawl to China_. I haven't heard their
new album yet, but I've read that it's back to their complex metal days.
Michael
What did you say? What did you do when they asked you 'who are you?'
Did you tell 'em who you know? Did you hear that rooster crow? -RB
Jay
>
>(1) WHITECROSS;
>
>Don't all the CD's start to sound the same after a while? 3 (maybe,
>4) songs on each product are good. The rest are usually sub-par or
>just plain bad.
I always called 'em WhiteRatt. For me, In the Kingdom was their best. It's the
only one I bought.
>(2) BRIDE;
>
>Been around for a long time.
>How many people, though, have been burned by a Bride CD that should've
>rocked -- but, blew instead?
>Anybody for a fistful of disappointment?
Kinetic Faith and Snakes in the Playground were rockin'. I really liked those
2. The rest _were_ disappointing.
>(3) RECON;
>
>The legendary George Ochoa on guitars. What could go wrong?
>Well, putting out a CD that sounds like one guitar solo after another,
>that's what.
They sucked.
>(4) HOLY SOLDIER;
>
>"Ssss-trayn-juhzzz"!
>How could a band screw up a killer opening like that?
>
>Easily . . . hack the song's guitar solo to pieces so that what should
>have been a "barn burner" is a mere 3 and a half minutes long. Except
>for a fantastic ballad ("The Pain Inside"), HS showed itself otherwise
>forgettable.
I really liked the 1st record. Last Train wasn't as good, IMO. After that it
was just crap.
>(5) NEON CROSS.
>
>Has this become a Christian Metal classic because it's good -- or,
>'cause there's little else to choose from?
I bought the first one. Took a bit to get into it. It's OK. Again, anything
after that sucked.
>Dishonorable mentions: LEVITICUS, BARREN CROSS
I liked BC. Atomic Arena is a good record, better than State of Control
(although that has some good tunes too).
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>
>TOP 5 MOST UNDERRATED BANDS IN CHRISTIAN METAL/HARD ROCK:
>
>(1) SACRED WARRIOR;
>
>Yes, this band has a small, loyal following.
>Yes, this band far surpasses many others in musicianship.
>Yet, it is dismissed as a Queensryche-clone.
>
>Perhaps, . . . but, not everyone needs to sound like Stryper!
Enjoyed the first 2 a lot. It was all downhill after that. And there's nothing
wrong with Stryper.
>(2) ZION;
>
>Zion's one CD is the Christian equivalent to Def Leppard's "Pyromania"
>-- an AOR classic!
>Yet, some Metalheads turn their noses up at it because of its
>radio-friendly tendencies. Too bad.
Didn't like them. Don't recall them sounding like Def Leppard, whom I _do_
like.
>(3) ARMAGEDDON;
>
>Most songs over 4 minutes; music alternating out of the speakers;
>distortions; subliminal lyrics: Now THAT's Heavy Metal!
>
>Armageddon put out "The Money Mask" and disappeared. Still, this
>classic should not be forgotten.
Who?
>(4) PETRA;
>
>Aw, they're sell-outs!
>Do "sell outs" stay in the business for 30 years without compromising
>their message?
They don't belong on this list. They are NOT metal.
>(5) MESSIAH PROPHET;
>
>Although viewed more as an extension of a group's ministry than a rock
>band, the Messiah Prophet Band helped to show people in the 1980's
>that Christians could indeed play polished Metal.
>
>In fact, MP was in some ways (such as, lyrically) more mature than
>Stryper.
I bought the first on. It was OK. Not much else to say about it. Heavy Metal
Thunder is the only song I remember.
>Honorable mentions: NEW JERUSALEM
Never listened to them.
Jay
My Jesus decal does quite a trick
Right above my dashboard I stick it
A good luck charm
It keeps me from harm
And saves me from speeding tickets
snail
I think the terms you're looking for are hair metal/cock rock :-)
>(1) WHITECROSS;
>Don't all the CD's start to sound the same after a while? 3 (maybe,
They were good for what they did, and they were consistent.
Nothing wrong with producing a bunch of similar sounding
albums so long as the quality doesn't drop. They were more
a touring band than an album band.
>(2) BRIDE;
>
>How many people, though, have been burned by a Bride CD that should've
>rocked -- but, blew instead?
My only bad Bride experience was their Steve Taylor cover. Still
_Snakes in the Playground_ clicked in all the right ways.
>(3) RECON;
>
>The legendary George Ochoa on guitars. What could go wrong?
Ya know, I bought this was because of the _Deliverance_ connection
(Ochoa) and never got round to listening to it. _Deliverance_ of
course were brilliant and are probably one of my favourites of
the US christian metal scene.
>Well, putting out a CD that sounds like one guitar solo after another,
>that's what.
Except that was part of the fashion at the time; an unhealthy
obsession with the great guitar solo.
>(4) HOLY SOLDIER;
>
>"Ssss-trayn-juhzzz"!
>How could a band screw up a killer opening like that?
They were ok, but didn't blow me away.
>(5) NEON CROSS.
>
>Has this become a Christian Metal classic because it's good -- or,
>'cause there's little else to choose from?
They developed a big reputation early on because of the inclusion
of one or two of their tracks on one of the _California Metal_
compilations IIRC. A one hit wonder perhaps, but that one song
was really cool. Never got round to buying the album though I
did want it back in the day.
>Dishonorable mentions: LEVITICUS, BARREN CROSS
Heathen! _Barren Cross_ were another of my favourites from that
era. I even made my own backpatch based on the logo on _Rock for
the King_. I think I only bought it and _Atomic Arena_. Didn't
have much money around the time _State of Control_ came out.
>(1) SACRED WARRIOR;
They were ok, but didn't blow me away.
>(2) ZION;
Likewise.
>Zion's one CD is the Christian equivalent to Def Leppard's "Pyromania"
>-- an AOR classic!
I don't like equivalent bands, you're generally better off
listening to the original, in this case _Def Leppard_, or
_AC/DC_ over _X-Sinner_.
>Yet, some Metalheads turn their noses up at it because of its
>radio-friendly tendencies. Too bad.
Metal has never been radio friendly. You could almost argue that
if it's radio friendly it's not really metal :)
>(3) ARMAGEDDON;
Don't recall them.
>Most songs over 4 minutes; music alternating out of the speakers;
>distortions; subliminal lyrics: Now THAT's Heavy Metal!
No, that's excessive wanking.
>(4) PETRA;
They don't belong in this list.
>Aw, they're sell-outs!
>Do "sell outs" stay in the business for 30 years without compromising
>their message?
In which case, why do you list them as underrated ?
>(5) MESSIAH PROPHET;
>
>Although viewed more as an extension of a group's ministry than a rock
>band, the Messiah Prophet Band helped to show people in the 1980's
>that Christians could indeed play polished Metal.
"Master of the Metal" rawked my face.
>In fact, MP was in some ways (such as, lyrically) more mature than
>Stryper.
You reckon ? _Stryper_ had some good stuff in there, also some
anthemic stuff, but good bits too.
>Honorable mentions: NEW JERUSALEM
Huh ?? I don't recall them being part of the christian 80s metal
scene at all. In fact, what I have noticed is some fan of there's
has posted a 'check them out' post on an almost weekly basis
(twice so far :). Are you connected with them ? Is the whole
point of this post to drum up support ? Yeah, I'm paranoid :)
--
snail @ careless net | Character is what you are in the dark! - Whorfin
snail
>>(5) MESSIAH PROPHET;
>I bought the first on. It was OK. Not much else to say about it. Heavy Metal
>Thunder is the only song I remember.
That was a pretty cool song.
snail
>Most of the catalog here is 80's based. Not that there's anything wrong with
>that, but it seems like 90's Christian Metal just didn't make much of an
>impact.
There was quite a bit about but it was coming from other countries
eg Mortification from Oz, _In Flame_ (I think) from Norway, generally
the scene took on a stronger northern european slant with leanings
towards progressive and of course movements in death/doom/etc. More
well known in the US was _Saviour Machine_ for example.
snail
>Jerry B. Ray, Jr. <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>>Not really "metal," are they? Closest they got was probably _On Fire_.
Nope, not even :)
>Well, they do have the eighties cheese thing going in places.
Yep.
>>I love their early stuff (discounting the first couple of albums), up
>Whaaaat? You're not down with the folky coffeehouse?
The sandcastle album is fun...I've got the vinyl of "Come and Join Us"
that I found 2ndhand for six bucks many years ago. 'twas an unexpected
find as I'd been under the strong impression that it had never been
released on vinyl here. It's got snazzy cover art. I think the tape
version was my first Petra album; I went from listening to that to
seeing them tour on the _Beat the System_ tour. I got a bit of a
shock :) That was also part of my initial foray into christian music
having grown up a shy christian. The other shocking thing about that
gig was that there were several thousand people in attendance. I
never looked back :)
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
snail <sn...@careless.net.au> wrote:
>>(1) WHITECROSS;
>They were good for what they did, and they were consistent.
>Nothing wrong with producing a bunch of similar sounding
>albums so long as the quality doesn't drop. They were more
>a touring band than an album band.
They apparently played Cornerstone this year; I caught the tail end of
Rex Caroll's press conference. Not an attractive man. :-)
>>(2) BRIDE;
>My only bad Bride experience was their Steve Taylor cover. Still
>_Snakes in the Playground_ clicked in all the right ways.
Guh. That Taylor cover was vile, wasn't it?
>Except that was part of the fashion at the time; an unhealthy
>obsession with the great guitar solo.
Listening to music today, I'd KILL for a decent guitar solo.
snail
>>But, hey, how did you miss Jerusalem? Ulf & the boys produced some of the
>>best metal, esp. their first few albums.
Was it they who did "Seek & Destroy" ? That was an awesome song. And was it
them that did "Dancing on the head of the Serpent" ?
>Ugh. I think the most under-rated Christian metal act ever has been
>Tourniquet. They really hit their stride with _Psycho Surgery_ and
They were never underrated. Everyone held them in esteem :)
>_Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance_, trailed off a bit when they lost half the
That was an amazing album; when I did my radio show I'd get regular
requests for "Skeezik's Dilemma" (I'd occasionally play all ten minutes
too :)
>band, and then sort of came back with _Crawl to China_. I haven't heard their
I was also pretty fond of "Vanishing Lessons", which was also the last
album of theirs that I've listened to. Interesting they had two albums
in the Tollbooth's top 10 metal albums:
<http://www.tollbooth.org/top10/metal.html>
snail
>>>(1) WHITECROSS;
>>They were good for what they did, and they were consistent.
>They apparently played Cornerstone this year; I caught the tail end of
>Rex Caroll's press conference. Not an attractive man. :-)
I've not seen them in over a decade, not sure if I'm game now :)
>>>(2) BRIDE;
>>My only bad Bride experience was their Steve Taylor cover. Still
>Guh. That Taylor cover was vile, wasn't it?
Absolutely blew.
>>Except that was part of the fashion at the time; an unhealthy
>>obsession with the great guitar solo.
>Listening to music today, I'd KILL for a decent guitar solo.
Everytime I start back down that path I'm reminded of seeing
_Guns & Roses_ on their "Use Your Illusion" tour and their 15
minute epic of "Knocking on Heaven's Door" that sent me running
for a bucket...or _Poison_ trying to play at all and having
failed, still doing extended guitar solos. I have some really
bad memories of the 80s[1] :)
[1] I don't recall if that Gunners gig was late 80s or early 90s
but it was a gig that reflected the excesses of the 80s.
the nonconformist
"Jerry B. Ray, Jr." <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
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> >(4) HOLY SOLDIER;
> Had some promise, but never seemed to realize it. I bought the first
> CD when it came out, and it had a couple of songs that almost worked,
> but again, just didn't grab me enough to make me want to listen. Gave
> the first CD away at Cornerstone.
Yeah, to me. And, as I told Shari, I was lucky to still have it when i got
home. Christine about mugged me for it.
--
==== Josh Marihugh ==== NP:
"Christianity without life [is] as empty as life without Christianity."
-- Eamon Dunphy, writing of U2's Dave "The Edge" Evans, in _Unforgettable
Fire_.
"I feel so alive, for the very first time, I can't deny You..."
--P.O.D. "Alive"
BubbCoop
overrated? does anyone even listen to them?
the nonconformist
"Wednesday White" <we...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote in message
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> So, basically, never call your band anything with "cross" in it.
Especially Redd Kross and Kris Kross
>
> Fine by me.
the nonconformist
"snail" <sn...@careless.netOOPS.au> wrote in message
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> Michael A. Vickers <mavi...@kings-x.com> wrote:
> >Cheef [ch...@cheef.com] wrote:
> >>But, hey, how did you miss Jerusalem? Ulf & the boys produced some of
the
> >>best metal, esp. their first few albums.
>
> Was it they who did "Seek & Destroy" ? That was an awesome song. And was
it
> them that did "Dancing on the head of the Serpent" ?
yes on "Dancing". I think "Seek and Destroy" was Philadelphia. (Or was that
"Search and Destroy"? I have two Philadelphia albums, but they're on vinyl
and i have yet to transfer them, or shell out for the M8 rereleases)
>
> >Ugh. I think the most under-rated Christian metal act ever has been
> >Tourniquet. They really hit their stride with _Psycho Surgery_ and
>
> They were never underrated. Everyone held them in esteem :)
I saw them live at C-stone. That was an awesome night. Say what you will
(and people have) about Whitecross, but Whitecross/Disciple/Tourniquet was
one of the high points of the fest for me. (And if you see the HM DVD of the
night, look at the crowd shots for a girl wearing a blue headband and an
EastWest shirt somewhere in the first few rows of people. That's Christine,
and I should be immediately to one side of her. (I _hope_ i wasn't wearing
the Shania Twain shirt that night, but i can't remember.))
the nonconformist
"snail" <sn...@careless.netOOPS.au> wrote in message
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> Jerry B. Ray, Jr. <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
> >snail <sn...@careless.net.au> wrote:
> >>>(1) WHITECROSS;
> >>They were good for what they did, and they were consistent.
>
> >They apparently played Cornerstone this year; I caught the tail end of
> >Rex Caroll's press conference. Not an attractive man. :-)
I missed the conference. Christine and i were going to visit. She's a total
80s metal goddess. Somehow we missed it.
I thought the show was great. Rex was doing closeups for the amateur tapers
in front.
My single beef with the show, and i got over it, was Scott Wenzel. Who wears
one of their band's own t-shirts to a show. Especially promoting the tour
for one of their worst albums (_Unveiled_) ?
I did think his Allies cover during soundcheck rocked.
the nonconformist
"BubbCoop" <bubb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> <<(1) WHITECROSS;>>
>
> overrated? does anyone even listen to them?
yes.
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
the nonconformist <pinkel...@SPAMKILLmusician.net> wrote:
>I did think his Allies cover during soundcheck rocked.
What Allies cover did they do?
Cheef
>But, hey, how did you miss Jerusalem? Ulf & the boys produced some of
>the best metal, esp. their first few albums.
To clarify, I'm referring to
"Jerusalem, Vol. 1" and "Jerusalem, Vol. 2".
the nonconformist
"Jerry B. Ray, Jr." <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
news:ahi8uq$q7s$1...@news-int.gatech.edu...
> In article <OR%_8.154$vf7.21...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>,
> the nonconformist <pinkel...@SPAMKILLmusician.net> wrote:
>
> >I did think his Allies cover during soundcheck rocked.
>
> What Allies cover did they do?
It was just Scott solo (vocal) during soundcheck. He was singing "Long Way
From Paradise".
Jay
>Listening to music today, I'd KILL for a decent guitar solo.
>
>JRjr
Go get Jelly Jam. Ty Tabor, Rod Morgenstein and John Myung. It will kick your
butt.
snail
*Did* listen to them. Wasn't aware that they were still going.
snail
>"snail" <sn...@careless.netOOPS.au> wrote in message
>> it them that did "Dancing on the head of the Serpent" ?
>yes on "Dancing". I think "Seek and Destroy" was Philadelphia. (Or was that
Oops, it was two. I used to get that mixed up in those days too :)
>"Search and Destroy"? I have two Philadelphia albums, but they're on vinyl
Most of my 80s stuff is on vinyl...sitting at mum's place in my
old room IIRC.
>> >Ugh. I think the most under-rated Christian metal act ever has been
>> >Tourniquet. They really hit their stride with _Psycho Surgery_ and
>> They were never underrated. Everyone held them in esteem :)
>I saw them live at C-stone. That was an awesome night. Say what you will
>(and people have) about Whitecross, but Whitecross/Disciple/Tourniquet was
Hang on, they played cstone this year ? Kewl.
>one of the high points of the fest for me. (And if you see the HM DVD of the
Unlikely :) I plan on not buying too many DVDs. $30-40/DVD is
too much for me. Mind you I don't actually have a player yet.
>and I should be immediately to one side of her. (I _hope_ i wasn't wearing
>the Shania Twain shirt that night, but i can't remember.))
That would be exactly the sort of gig I'd wear such a shirt to.
Back in the 80s I was known to turn up to metal gigs wearing
a David Meece shirt :)
Michael A. Vickers
>>Except that was part of the fashion at the time; an unhealthy
>>obsession with the great guitar solo.
>Listening to music today, I'd KILL for a decent guitar solo.
Seriously! I don't know what it is about modern rock, but alot of bands have
abandoned the guitar solo. Even Rush's new album is bereft of solos.
Michael
I don't want no aggravation when my train has left the station, if you're
there or not I may not even know. Have a round and remember things we did
that weren't so tender. Let the train blow the whistle when I go... -JC
the nonconformist
"snail" <sn...@careless.netOOPS.au> wrote in message
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> BubbCoop <bubb...@aol.com> wrote:
> ><<(1) WHITECROSS;>>
> >overrated? does anyone even listen to them?
>
> *Did* listen to them. Wasn't aware that they were still going.
they weren't. iirc, scott was doing missions work in Paraguay or something.
This years Cstone show was one of those reunions the fest is famous for.
Mattias Hembruch
I just recorded Warrior into mp3s.. "Constantly Changing" doth rock muchly.
"In His Majesty's Service, Live in the USA" is still, in my mind, one of the
best live albums of all time. That albums SMOKES.
Mattias
Mattias Hembruch
Cheef <ch...@cheef.com> wrote:
>I agree that Messiah Prophet never became the mega-group that they should
>have been.
>
>I half-agree on Whitecross. They were retty good on one album. (It had
>that one song, something like "enough is enough".) After that I lost
>interest.
>
>But, hey, how did you miss Jerusalem? Ulf & the boys produced some of the
>best metal, esp. their first few albums.
Also, where did the following groups go:
Barnabas (one of my favourite bands of all time. Approaching Light Speed is
amazing!! Never seemed to get the credit they deserved)
Not sure if REZ Band qualifies as over or under-rated.
Daniel Band (sort of a local band, but they did play Cstone 2000) is
probably under-rated, IMHO. (Dreamer, a project by one of the band members,
OTOH was WAY over-rated, and Toni Rossi band is ok..)
I've only ever heard one song of theirs, but 100% Proof seemed like a metal
band too, and I really like that one song..
And, of course, how could ANYONE leave off Sprinklerhead?!?!?
Mattias
scholar and fool
> >>Except that was part of the fashion at the time; an unhealthy
> >>obsession with the great guitar solo.
>
> >Listening to music today, I'd KILL for a decent guitar solo.
>
> Seriously! I don't know what it is about modern rock, but alot of
> bands have abandoned the guitar solo. Even Rush's new album is
> bereft of solos.
if i were guessing (which i am), i'd say it relates to the reason
the term "unhealthy obsession" was used above. in the 80's doing
guitar solos got out of control. most people burned out eventually.
grunge then got big, and because it was influenced by punk and
hardcore it had little to do with guitar solos. so i think we're
just in a phase where society at large burned out on guitar solos
and a style of music took over that didn't really have them, thus
influencing the music scene in general.
personally i like hardcore, punk, and industrial/electronic
music, so i can't say i miss guitar solos much at all. :)
--
scholar and fool /// i am not junk...@leifeste.net
replace junkmail with terry to e-mail me.
snail
>Michael A. Vickers <mavi...@kings-x.com> wrote:
>> >>Except that was part of the fashion at the time; an unhealthy
>> >>obsession with the great guitar solo.
>> >Listening to music today, I'd KILL for a decent guitar solo.
>> Seriously! I don't know what it is about modern rock, but alot of
>> bands have abandoned the guitar solo. Even Rush's new album is
>if i were guessing (which i am), i'd say it relates to the reason
>the term "unhealthy obsession" was used above. in the 80's doing
Pretty much I reckon.
>guitar solos got out of control. most people burned out eventually.
Way out of control. Haven't heard one in many years and I still
don't miss them...but then my tastes have changed too...
>personally i like hardcore, punk, and industrial/electronic
>music, so i can't say i miss guitar solos much at all. :)
Likewise...though I'm not quite sure what I'm into these days.
snail
>Barnabas (one of my favourite bands of all time. Approaching Light Speed is
>amazing!! Never seemed to get the credit they deserved)
They were pretty much gone by the late 80s IIRC. Though they
were always spoken of in reverence in the circles I moved in.
>Not sure if REZ Band qualifies as over or under-rated.
Nope. Neither :)
>Daniel Band (sort of a local band, but they did play Cstone 2000) is
>probably under-rated, IMHO. (Dreamer, a project by one of the band members,
Probably underrated.
>And, of course, how could ANYONE leave off Sprinklerhead?!?!?
Don't remember them, at least not in an 80s metal context.
Michael A. Vickers
>>>>Except that was part of the fashion at the time; an unhealthy
>>>>obsession with the great guitar solo.
[ I think Jerry wrote this: ]
>>>Listening to music today, I'd KILL for a decent guitar solo.
>>Seriously! I don't know what it is about modern rock, but alot of
>>bands have abandoned the guitar solo. Even Rush's new album is
>>bereft of solos.
>if i were guessing (which i am), i'd say it relates to the reason
>the term "unhealthy obsession" was used above. in the 80's doing
>guitar solos got out of control. most people burned out eventually.
Sometimes I think it's just been replaced by the lead singer having an
unhealthy obsession with themself. I'll be digging a song and expecting a
solo, but the singer will go on blathering or lamenting something. If the
80's guitar solor thing burned people out, I'd say that the 90's "whoa is
me" whining is getting rather old.
Michael
The truth's sleeping like dynamite inside this paper flesh... - VOL
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
snail <sn...@careless.net.au> wrote:
>>And, of course, how could ANYONE leave off Sprinklerhead?!?!?
>Don't remember them, at least not in an 80s metal context.
SPRINK-LER-HEAD! SPRINK-LER-HEAD!
JRjr, Amen!
Troy Miller
>
> I just recorded Warrior into mp3s.. "Constantly Changing" doth rock muchly.
(feeling especially geeky today)
You know, it just occured to me that we've never had an mp3 vs. <other
format> flame-war-slash-religious-debate here. We've had it out over
newsreaders, and I wouldn't be surprised if emacs/vi showed up here, but
no "mp3 sucks, use WMA" or the like.
I'm an Ogg Vorbis man, myself. Pretty much my entire collection (>12GB)
is ripped into Ogg format, and that will probably grow substantially
(perhaps even double) now that the official 1.0 release is out and I get
around to ripping all my new albums.
Anyone else out there an Ogg fan? The zealots say that it sounds much
better than any other codec out there, and it takes up less hard drive
space and is totally free.
Troy, who also has been busy evangelizing Mozilla and OpenOffice to his
family and friends...
Mattias Hembruch
>>Barnabas (one of my favourite bands of all time. Approaching Light Speed is
>>amazing!! Never seemed to get the credit they deserved)
>
>They were pretty much gone by the late 80s IIRC. Though they
>were always spoken of in reverence in the circles I moved in.
If you're interested, I'm sure I could provide a sampling.
They recently re-issued 3 of their albums, with a 4th one in the works..
Mattias
Mattias Hembruch
Hmm. I'm as open-source as the next guy (moreso, even).
Does winamp support .ogg? (my brother-in-law uses winamp almost exclusively)
Is there a decent .ogg player for Linux that doesn't skip every 5 seconds?
Finding a decent player that doesn't crash and doesn't skip has been a REAL
challenge. I still haven't found one.
Is .ogg better supported in that sense?
Is there a converter from .mp3 to .ogg?
Mattias
Jason Steiner
> Troy Miller <yo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >You know, it just occured to me that we've never had an mp3 vs. <other
> >format> flame-war-slash-religious-debate here. We've had it out over
> >newsreaders, and I wouldn't be surprised if emacs/vi showed up here, but
> >no "mp3 sucks, use WMA" or the like.
Yeah, we did, actually. Or at least discussed it a couple of times.
I don't know if it ever got to flame war levels.
> >I'm an Ogg Vorbis man, myself.
Me too. OpenOffice also rules. No more shelling out a couple of hundred
bucks for a spreadsheet and word processor. About fucking time.
> Hmm. I'm as open-source as the next guy (moreso, even).
>
> Does winamp support .ogg? (my brother-in-law uses winamp almost exclusively)
2.80 comes with an OGG plug in. Before that, you had to download
an additional plug in, but it still worked. It's completely transparent.
> Is there a converter from .mp3 to .ogg?
You wouldn't want to do that. You'd just get MP3 quality with an OGG
extension on it. I just use OGG for ripping new stuff. CDex is my
favorite ripper, and it has built-in OGG support too.
jason
--
Alles, was deine Hand zu tun findet, das tue in deiner Kraft!
Denn es gibt weder Tun noch Berechnung, noch Kenntnis, noch
Weisheit im Scheol, in den du gehst.
Prediger 9:10
Ack!
> And, of course, how could ANYONE leave off Sprinklerhead?!?!?
LOL -- would that be overrated or underrated???
Ack!
scholar and fool
> >if i were guessing (which i am), i'd say it relates to the reason
> >the term "unhealthy obsession" was used above. in the 80's doing
> >guitar solos got out of control. most people burned out eventually.
>
> Sometimes I think it's just been replaced by the lead singer having an
> unhealthy obsession with themself. I'll be digging a song and expecting a
> solo, but the singer will go on blathering or lamenting something. If the
> 80's guitar solor thing burned people out, I'd say that the 90's "whoa is
> me" whining is getting rather old.
it sort of goes along with the general culture of the times. 80's
self-promotion, 90's self-loathing. i'm more of a 90's kind of guy. ;)
but yeah, it'll get old and the new cultural mindset will pick a new
thing to be obsessive about until it gets old. repeat.
--
scholar and fool /// posing as junk...@leifeste.net
Troy Miller
> In article <slrnak053e...@yort.americas.sgi.com>,
> Troy Miller <yo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm an Ogg Vorbis man, myself. Pretty much my entire collection (>12GB)
>
Yup, as Jason said since 2.80. There are also plugins available at the
vorbis site (http://www.vorbis.com) for Quicktime, WindowsMedia Player,
etc. RealAudio just announced that they will be supporting Ogg soon.
Basically, you should see it pretty much universally supported by default
(except for Microsoft) in the near future, now that they finally have the
1.0 specs out.
> Is there a decent .ogg player for Linux that doesn't skip every 5 seconds?
> Finding a decent player that doesn't crash and doesn't skip has been a REAL
> challenge. I still haven't found one.
Hmm... I've used XMMS for quite some time with little to no problems, and
one of the boxen is a 350Mhz Pentium POS.
> Is there a converter from .mp3 to .ogg?
Echoing Jason again, you don't want to do that. Both mp3 and Ogg are
lossy codecs, and each does it a bit differently - transcoding like that
will likely end up with a pretty sucky sounding file. I also use CDex on
Windows, or Grip on Linux, and they work quite nicely.
Troy, feeling the geekiness beginning to wear off a bit...
David Bruce Murray
"Troy Miller" <yo...@yort.americas.sgi.com> wrote in message
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> I'm an Ogg Vorbis man, myself. Pretty much my entire collection (>12GB)
> is ripped into Ogg format, and that will probably grow substantially
> (perhaps even double) now that the official 1.0 release is out and I get
> around to ripping all my new albums.
Can you burn .ogg files to a CD and play it on any commercial CD player? I
use .mp3 mainly because I can burn 1 disc and listen to it for 6-8 hours at
work without hearing the same song twice. I don't do a great deal of leisure
listening at home on my PC, so that may factor .ogg out for me.
Do you prefer .ogg because sound quality/file size ratio is better than
.mp3, or is there some other reason?
--
David Bruce Murray / dmurray...@rfci.net
www.musicscribe.com / www.rfci.net/dbmurray
www.mp3.com/ssq / www.mp3.com/virtualvirtuoso
--- Making hay while the sun shines ---
Troy Miller
> use .mp3 mainly because I can burn 1 disc and listen to it for 6-8 hours at
> work without hearing the same song twice. I don't do a great deal of leisure
> listening at home on my PC, so that may factor .ogg out for me.
Nope, not yet. There really are no currently available portable players
that support Ogg, unless you count the expensive PDA-like Zaurus. Almost
all the CD-player stuff is hardwired MP3 decoding, so they can't do Ogg.
However, now that it's at 1.0, you might see hardware compatible devices
in the next year or so. It depends on how it gets accepted and used -
keep in mind that it's a totally free thing, so it doesn't have millions
of dollars of marketing power behind making it popular.
The other option you would have is playing it through your computer at
work, from the CD. Personally, I have a 10GB drive at work, so I just use
about half that for my Oggs.
> Do you prefer .ogg because sound quality/file size ratio is better than
> .mp3, or is there some other reason?
Yes, and yes, but mainly because it's "free" - ie, nobody owns the
technology. Technically, if Fraunhoffer/Thompson whoever it is that owns
MP3 wanted to, they could (and might soon) start charging exhorbitant fees
for licensing the MP3 codec. You already have to pay to (legally) use the
encoder at a decent bitrate. There's talk of the new MPEG-4 codec having
a cent-per-usage charge associated with it.
It does sound better, tho, to me.
Anyway, someone else can probably do better open-source evangelizing than
me. The lack of a portable player *is* a huge disavantage, but in all
other ways Ogg kicks booty.
Troy
snail
>Mattias Hembruch <mghe...@ecexh.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>> Troy Miller <yo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >You know, it just occured to me that we've never had an mp3 vs. <other
>> >format> flame-war-slash-religious-debate here. We've had it out over
>> >newsreaders, and I wouldn't be surprised if emacs/vi showed up here, but
slrn is the newsreader of choice and vi is the One True Editor.
>> >no "mp3 sucks, use WMA" or the like.
>Yeah, we did, actually. Or at least discussed it a couple of times.
>I don't know if it ever got to flame war levels.
Never to flame :) I recall Brian Trosko posting various bits and
pieces on the ins and outs of mp3 and other stuff.
>Me too. OpenOffice also rules. No more shelling out a couple of hundred
>bucks for a spreadsheet and word processor. About fucking time.
Absolutely.
snail
>snail <sn...@careless.net.au> wrote:
>>Mattias Hembruch <mghe...@ecexh.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>>Barnabas (one of my favourite bands of all time. Approaching Light Speed is
>>>amazing!! Never seemed to get the credit they deserved)
>>They were pretty much gone by the late 80s IIRC. Though they
>>were always spoken of in reverence in the circles I moved in.
>If you're interested, I'm sure I could provide a sampling.
It's ok, I've got _Approaching Light Speed_ :) Thanks. I may also
have _Little Foxes_...I should dig out my vinyl one of these days.
>They recently re-issued 3 of their albums, with a 4th one in the works..
Cool, I'll keep an eye out for those.
snail
>Mattias Hembruch <mghe...@ecexh.uwaterloo.ca> espoused:
>> I just recorded Warrior into mp3s.. "Constantly Changing" doth rock muchly.
>I'm an Ogg Vorbis man, myself. Pretty much my entire collection (>12GB)
BTW I don't s'pose the "Ogg" has any Pratchett overtones ?
David Bruce Murray
> The other option you would have is playing it through your computer at
> work, from the CD. Personally, I have a 10GB drive at work, so I just use
> about half that for my Oggs.
Not an option at my workplace. I use a walkman type unit at work for playing
my .mp3 CDs.
Jay
>
>Mattias
So is Approaching Light Speed avail. on cd then? That's the only one I've ever
liked (ok, I LOVED it) so I'd like to get it.
Susan Anderson
: Jason Steiner <ja...@gaydeceiver.com> wrote:
:>Mattias Hembruch <mghe...@ecexh.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
:>> Troy Miller <yo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>> >You know, it just occured to me that we've never had an mp3 vs. <other
:>> >format> flame-war-slash-religious-debate here. We've had it out over
:>> >newsreaders, and I wouldn't be surprised if emacs/vi showed up here, but
: slrn is the newsreader of choice and vi is the One True Editor.
tin is where it's at. :P
All hail the One True Editor. :)
Susan
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Susan
kee...@visi.com
Wednesday White
>snail <sn...@careless.netoops.au> wrote:
>: slrn is the newsreader of choice and vi is the One True Editor.
>tin is where it's at. :P
What, no one here can spell trn but me? Sheesh.
-- w *hearts* vi.
the nonconformist
"Jason Steiner" <ja...@gaydeceiver.com> wrote in message
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> You wouldn't want to do that. You'd just get MP3 quality with an OGG
> extension on it. I just use OGG for ripping new stuff. CDex is my
> favorite ripper, and it has built-in OGG support too.
My CDex doesn't...is there a new version out?
the nonconformist
"Troy Miller" <yo...@yort.americas.sgi.com> wrote in message
news:slrnak0urb...@yort.americas.sgi.com...
> for licensing the MP3 codec. You already have to pay to (legally) use the
> encoder at a decent bitrate. There's talk of the new MPEG-4 codec having
> a cent-per-usage charge associated with it.
How'd CDex slip through then? It does encoding up to 320Kbps, and is
free....
the nonconformist
"Mattias Hembruch" <mghe...@ecexh.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
news:ahp4bq$9th$1...@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca...
> >>Barnabas (one of my favourite bands of all time. Approaching Light Speed
is
> They recently re-issued 3 of their albums, with a 4th one in the works..
I have 4 of their albums. I saw some "rarity" thing (prolly an M8 disc) of
theirs at C-stone. is it worth the cash?
the nonconformist
"Jay" <rog...@aol.comKingsX> wrote in message
news:20020726014025...@mb-ca.aol.com...
> So is Approaching Light Speed avail. on cd then? That's the only one I've
ever
> liked (ok, I LOVED it) so I'd like to get it.
It is. Someone at C-stone (an RMC-er i think, but don't quote me on that)
told me they screwed up the coloring on the CD cover, but the music is
there.
My fave is _Feel the Fire_. Great album!
the nonconformist
"scholar and fool" <junk...@leifeste.net> wrote in message
news:ffd13dc5.02072...@posting.google.com...
> but yeah, it'll get old and the new cultural mindset will pick a new
> thing to be obsessive about until it gets old. repeat.
i was reading an article this morning about ladies in pop music. A few years
ago, the singer/songwriter mold (the "piano chicks" like Tori Amos, or the
guitar slingers) was huge, then in came the teeny-bopper pop (Britney,
etc.). Now the pendulum swings with Michelle Branch and others like her)
Jason Steiner
trn and vim.
Jason Steiner
> "Jason Steiner" <ja...@gaydeceiver.com> wrote:
>
> > extension on it. I just use OGG for ripping new stuff. CDex is my
> > favorite ripper, and it has built-in OGG support too.
>
> My CDex doesn't...is there a new version out?
Yeah. The old version can also call external command-line encoders
as well, so you can run OGG that way if you want to test new builds
or something.
Mattias Hembruch
Jay <rog...@aol.comKingsX> wrote:
>>They recently re-issued 3 of their albums, with a 4th one in the works..
>>
>>Mattias
>
>So is Approaching Light Speed avail. on cd then? That's the only one I've ever
>liked (ok, I LOVED it) so I'd like to get it.
As I mentioned to Josh in the next article:
http://www.leconte.com/barnabas/
Mattias
Mattias Hembruch
Agreed. trn is the One True Spelling of trn :-)
Also, most people seem to be forgetting that the editor-once-named-vi is now
named vim.
Mattias
Mattias Hembruch
the nonconformist <pinkel...@SPAMKILLmusician.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Jay" <rog...@aol.comKingsX> wrote in message
>news:20020726014025...@mb-ca.aol.com...
>> So is Approaching Light Speed avail. on cd then? That's the only one I've
>ever
>> liked (ok, I LOVED it) so I'd like to get it.
>
>It is. Someone at C-stone (an RMC-er i think, but don't quote me on that)
>told me they screwed up the coloring on the CD cover, but the music is
>there.
That would be me.
>My fave is _Feel the Fire_. Great album!
It's coming out next. No idea on the release date, though.
http://www.leconte.com/barnabas/ is the "official" Barnabas website..
A couple of the guys (notable Kris Klingensmith, the drummer who wrote most
of the lyrics) hangs out there quite a bit.
Mattias
Susan Anderson
: In article <weds.10...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net>,
Yea verily it is vim on the "Evil Windows" environment at work.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Susan
kee...@visi.com
Wednesday White
>Also, most people seem to be forgetting that the editor-once-named-vi is now
>named vim.
I calls it what's in my path, 'cuz I'm lazy.
snail
>:>Susan Anderson <kee...@visi.com> wrote:
>:>>snail <sn...@careless.netoops.au> wrote:
>:>>: slrn is the newsreader of choice and vi is the One True Editor.
>:>>tin is where it's at. :P
>:>What, no one here can spell trn but me? Sheesh.
>: Agreed. trn is the One True Spelling of trn :-)
This is turning into an argument of the *rn :)
>: Also, most people seem to be forgetting that the editor-once-named-vi is now
>: named vim.
Not quite, it's still vi on some systems I use and vim is sort of vi
with a bunch of mods.
>Yea verily it is vim on the "Evil Windows" environment at work.
I don't think I'm allowed to have it at work. We are a microslew
only environment. Hmmm it's vi on the unix box that drives the
library catalogue (the only non microsloth machine in Council),
gvim on my windoze partition at home, vim on my debian partition,
vim on the ISP box.
the nonconformist
"Mattias Hembruch" <mghe...@ecexh.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
news:ahs09r$fic$1...@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca...
> In article <vle09.416$vc6.21...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,
> the nonconformist <pinkel...@SPAMKILLmusician.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >"Jay" <rog...@aol.comKingsX> wrote in message
> >news:20020726014025...@mb-ca.aol.com...
> >> So is Approaching Light Speed avail. on cd then? That's the only one
I've
> >ever
> >> liked (ok, I LOVED it) so I'd like to get it.
> >
> >It is. Someone at C-stone (an RMC-er i think, but don't quote me on that)
> >told me they screwed up the coloring on the CD cover, but the music is
> >there.
>
> That would be me.
i kinda thought so. i'm still looking for a lrg forn scanner that i can
image covers with.
Mattias Hembruch
the nonconformist <pinkel...@SPAMKILLmusician.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Mattias Hembruch" <mghe...@ecexh.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>news:ahs09r$fic$1...@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca...
>> In article <vle09.416$vc6.21...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,
>> the nonconformist <pinkel...@SPAMKILLmusician.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >"Jay" <rog...@aol.comKingsX> wrote in message
>> >news:20020726014025...@mb-ca.aol.com...
>> >> So is Approaching Light Speed avail. on cd then? That's the only one
>I've
>> >ever
>> >> liked (ok, I LOVED it) so I'd like to get it.
>> >
>> >It is. Someone at C-stone (an RMC-er i think, but don't quote me on that)
>> >told me they screwed up the coloring on the CD cover, but the music is
>> >there.
>>
>> That would be me.
>
>i kinda thought so. i'm still looking for a lrg forn scanner that i can
>image covers with.
Well, I DO have a .jpg of a picture of the original LP front/back, if you
wanted to print out a copy on a colour printer. It's what I did for mine,
and it looks 10 times better..
And man, what ever happened to great album covers like that? :-)
Mattias
PuzzleShift
start trading in that rather than MP3.
-PS
Matthew W. I. Dunn
> "BubbCoop" <bubb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20020722182945...@mb-fo.aol.com...
> > <<(1) WHITECROSS;>>
> >
> > overrated? does anyone even listen to them?
>
> yes.
Oops, I should've added P. O. D. to the list of Most Overrated.
Tanks for the reminder.
Cheef
<ahmudi$eje$1...@tabloid.uwaterloo.ca>:
>I just recorded Warrior into mp3s.. "Constantly Changing" doth rock
>muchly.
Yep.
I can still remember walking down the halls of my high school, and being
surprised to hear the opening riffs of "Constantly Changing" coming out of
our high school auditorium. I poked my head in and saw that a friend I had
turned on to Jerusalem had joined the school jazz ensamble and was testing
his guitar amp.
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Cheef
>Also, where did the following groups go:
>
>Barnabas (one of my favourite bands of all time. Approaching Light Speed
>is amazing!! Never seemed to get the credit they deserved)
>
>Not sure if REZ Band qualifies as over or under-rated.
>
>Daniel Band (sort of a local band, but they did play Cstone 2000) is
>probably under-rated, IMHO. (Dreamer, a project by one of the band
>members, OTOH was WAY over-rated, and Toni Rossi band is ok..)
>
>I've only ever heard one song of theirs, but 100% Proof seemed like a
>metal band too, and I really like that one song..
Oh, man... you just took me back to high school in one big swoop.
Those were all incredible bands, although I wasn't the biggest 100% Proof
fan.
One thing I do remember is a hilarious local radio ad for a Christian store
that actually understood music... it featured a clueless clerk who was asked
if she had "100% Proof" and she just started to babble about needing faith.
Likewise, she got flustered over "Giant Killer" and some other band names.
Cheef
int.gatech.edu>:
>SPRINK-LER-HEAD! SPRINK-LER-HEAD!
and don't forget "Kuss"!
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
Cheef <ch...@cheef.com> wrote:
>One thing I do remember is a hilarious local radio ad for a Christian store
>that actually understood music... it featured a clueless clerk who was asked
>if she had "100% Proof" and she just started to babble about needing faith.
>Likewise, she got flustered over "Giant Killer" and some other band names.
Had a real-life experience like that when I bought Rez Band's _Mommy Don't
Love Daddy Anymore_ CD. The clerk didn't like the title much.
JRjr
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"Some will shake off the sloth of faithlessness
While others simply languish in their sleep
Me, I just fight to stay awake..." -- VOL, "Black Cloud O'er Me"
Andrew D. Taylor
(Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) wrote:
>In article <slrnajvh58...@zipperii.zip.com.au>,
>snail <sn...@careless.net.au> wrote:
>
>>>And, of course, how could ANYONE leave off Sprinklerhead?!?!?
>
>>Don't remember them, at least not in an 80s metal context.
>
>SPRINK-LER-HEAD! SPRINK-LER-HEAD!
"If the weeds are invading your flower bed
Roto-till the ground around the Sprinklerhead"
"If your lawn is looking all brown and dead
Take the living water from the Sprinklerhead"
Brings back memories. Rumor had it that just by hearing the band's
name, one was saved. But then rumor also had it that the individual
that suggested that had poked a hole in his cheek with his tongue.
BTW, I perfered the original to Terry Taylor's multi-octave version on
the Miracle Faith Telethon.
Andrew Taylor
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Michael A. Vickers
>BTW, I perfered the original to Terry Taylor's multi-octave version on
>the Miracle Faith Telethon.
Where might one find that?
Michael
Ah, how quick men are to blame the gods! From us, they say, all their
evils come, when they themselves, by their own ridiculous pride, bring
horrors on far beyond anything fate would have ever done. - Homer