Teletubbies' Tinky Winky "outed" by Falwell
Peter Thomas Chattaway
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - First President Clinton and now Tinky Winky.
America's sex cops are on the job. and not even the Teletubbies are safe.
The largest of the four amorphous characters on the British-made
children's television show has been ``outed'' by the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
Against the backdrop of cries of ``sexual McCarthyism'' over the exposure
and pursuit of Clinton, members of Congress and others for inappropriate
amorous exploits, Falwell decided to expose Tinky Winky in the current
issue of his monthly magazine ''National Liberty Journal.''
``The character, whose voice is obviously that of a boy, has been found
carrying a red purse in many episodes and has become a favorite character
among gay groups worldwide,'' it said.
Further evidence cited included the fact that the androgynous Tinky Winky
is purple -- the gay pride color, and the antenna on his head is shaped
like a triangle -- the gay pride symbol.
``These subtle depictions are no doubt intentional, and parents are warned
to be alert to these elements of the series,'' the magazine said.
Falwell did not address the sexual proclivities of La La, Po and Dipsy who
are equally shapeless yellow, red and green characters with squiggly
antennae and television screens in their tummies.
They live in a kind of high-tech igloo with a bug-eyed vacuum cleaner,
surrounded by grass, rabbits and flowers. At the end of each show, a
periscope rises from the ground and summons them to ``Teletubby bye-bye.''
The show premiered in England in 1997 and came to the United States last
year where it has been a hit for PBS. Teletubbies interactive dolls are
set to go on the market next month.
Falwell's magazine said Tinky Winky's sexuality had been the subject of
debate for some time, pointing to the annual ``What's In and What's Out''
list in the Washington Post.
The magazine said that this year, Tinky Winky's photograph appeared
opposite that of actress Ellen DeGeneres, implying that DeGeneres, star of
the television sit-com ``Ellen,'' was ``out'' as the chief national gay
symbol, while Tinky Winky was the trendy ``in'' celebrity.
Laurie Fry, director of broadcast promotion at PBS, called the
insinuations ``mindboggling.''
``He's supposed to be a toddler, this is a children's show for goodness
sake,'' she said.
And that red purse? ``It's Tinky Winky's magic bag, he pulls all kinds of
things out of it,'' Fry said.
Reuters/Variety
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Izzy81
>are equally shapeless yellow, red and green characters with squiggly
>antennae and television screens in their tummies.
So I guess that means Laa Laa is okay, right?
That's good. My son likes Laa Laa.
"Laa Laa good, Tinky Winky baaaad!"
Dan Temmesfeld
Jerry Falwell needs to get a life...
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Jeff Edwards
>The largest of the four amorphous characters on the British-made
>children's television show has been ``outed'' by the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
>
Wow. I mean, wow.
First I hear Art Bell a few nights ago talking about how Falwell announced
that the Antichrist is on Earth today and Jewish, and how Christ's return
would be in the next 10 years (I thought no man would know the day or hour?
Anyhow....), and now this. I don't pay much attention to Falwell on the
whole, but I'm starting to wonder about some of the stuff coming out of his
mouth lately.
Hmm...I think it's time for me to write a few articles to submit to 'The
Door' now....
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HeyRachee
saw the show, here is this "boy" carrying around a purse......who knows,
though.
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snail
>You know...i actually thought the very same thing. I mean, the first time I
>saw the show, here is this "boy" carrying around a purse......who knows,
>though.
[not seen the original article]
Falwell is hardly saying anything new though. The same comments
went through the UK press a couple of years ago, and Oz at least
a year ago. Although I have to admit I don't see what the problem
is with guys carrying purses.
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he is supposed to be screwing right about now?
Aces 90957
Aces 90957
of kids watch, I even know grownups who go for the antics of Tinky Winky and
Poe. Now Falwell, ooooooo. I wont get started.
Jason Steiner
Y'know what I don't understand... Why is Jerry Falwell considered
a moral authority? He's as fat as Jabba the Hutt, and has so many
burst capillaries he's got to be putting away at least a quart of
whiskey a day. What happened to those passages in the Bible about
gluttony and drunkenness, anyway?
Steven Tyler, Keith Richards, and Grace Slick are all pictures of
health compared to him. Yet Falwell gets to be the representative for
clean and righteous living?
jason
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BrianDAS1
OK when he said that Bill Clinton was a murder and a drug dealer and sold
65,000 copies of a video tape to prove it.Well the tape was proven to be
bogus. So he said he was wrong for that and repented
When he called Desmond Tu Tu a fruit and a communist he repented and said he
was mistaken....
Well, as if my favorite right wing phony hadn't done enough to prove that Jesus
is simply a fund raising tool for his own personal power and "moral causes"
i.e. any G.O.P. candidate who will pander to his myopic xenophobic and
homophobic views.
This blowhard "Rev." Jerry Falwell has once again proven that just when you
thought you've seen "Christian" do all they can to show the world they are a
bunch of idiots he can top them all.
It's seems Jerry's Magazine has declared that one of the Teletubbies is gay.
And how did the Rev come to this startling revelation?
Well, the tubbie in question is.......purple!
Good God lock up the kids! purple!
You see purple is the color of gay pride
(of course ain't red the color of the devil and the right Rev has no trouble
wrapping himself up in the U.S. flag)
But there's more the tubbie carries......... A hand bag!
Wow! You mean all those men I've seen with hand bags are.......... wait I carry
a hand bag,
oh boy, I never knew I was......oh my....
Reason 3 his antenna is shaped like a..... Triangle!
Now the fact that most Christians at sometime try to use a triangle to describe
the trinity never enter Jerry's head. No, you see some GAY groups use a
triangle in their logo. Oh my goodness the heck with the teletubbie's the gay's
have invaded our Sunday schools under the fact that most people see shapes as
gender free zones thank the Lord Jerry is there to point this stuff out.
I watch the teletubbies and I can state with a complete and clear heart that
the Reverend Falwell has lost his mind if he sees anything the least bit
questionable about The Teletubbies. Unless caring, sharing, kindness and
innocence's are now signs of being gay then a lot of people I know are in
trouble, and if they are it seems Jerry could benefit from being a fag for a
while cuz he sure ain't coming across very Christian.
OK as if none of this were bad enough the local L.A. news has shown a video
tape of Jerry Falwell saying "I was misquoted, I have never seen the
Teletubbies and know nothing about them I was just expressing my concerns and I
stand by the accusations"
WHAT! I didn't say it but I meant it, Jerry do Jesus a favor shut up!
Later
Brian Healy
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Syndrome</A>
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Well, the tubbie in question is.......purple!
: You see purple is the color of gay pride
This is one of those allegations that I just don't get. I thought the gay
colour, if there is such a thing, was pink. You know, pink triangles, the
"pink panther brigade" (anyone else ever seen Patrick Stewart strut his
stuff in the movie _Jeffrey_?), stuff like that.
What's up with purple?
Brian Lewis
Christendom (I don;t know about you drinking allegations).
Brian
Brian Lewis
> carrying a red purse in many episodes and has become a favorite character
> among gay groups worldwide,'' it said.
I haven't seen many gays carry purses. I have seen many non-gays carry
purses. As a matter of fact, when a man carries a "purse," its usually called
a backpack. The point is this is kind of stupid (not sure what kind).
Brian
snail
>BrianDAS1 (bria...@aol.com) wrote:
>: You see purple is the color of gay pride
>This is one of those allegations that I just don't get. I thought the gay
>colour, if there is such a thing, was pink. You know, pink triangles, the
Exactly.
>What's up with purple?
I've always been told that purple is the colour of sexual frustration
...which seems somehow appropriate.
bye
snail (who is definitely not saying what his favourite colour after
black is :)
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snail
Not to mention students in Oz...damn I'm not a student anymore...oops :)
>;)
:)
Snapp
Jason Steiner wrote:
Dan Temmesfeld <dan...@erinet.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Jerry Falwell needs to get a life...Y'know what I don't understand... Why is Jerry Falwell considered
a moral authority? He's as fat as Jabba the Hutt, and has so many
burst capillaries he's got to be putting away at least a quart of
whiskey a day. What happened to those passages in the Bible about
gluttony and drunkenness, anyway?Steven Tyler, Keith Richards, and Grace Slick are all pictures of
health compared to him. Yet Falwell gets to be the representative for
clean and righteous living?
Jason, I thought you were more perceptive than that. The reason Rev. Falwell
gets to a "Representative", is exactly for the negative reasons you mentioned.
Media needs controversy to get ratings, and showing an average common sense
Christian ain't gonna get the high numbers. Also, when on average, Rev.
Falwell makes well thought out Biblically sound statements, it does them
little good to show that.
At least Jerry Springer is honest about doing it
for the numbers, unlike the posturing so-called journalists who blabber
about being "objective".
Whew, can you tell I've lived in DC to long?
Mike
Marc Plainguet
Chattaway) wrote:
>http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/Reuters19990210_1486.html
>
>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - First President Clinton and now Tinky Winky.
>America's sex cops are on the job. and not even the Teletubbies are safe.
Falwell is a continuing embarassment to all Christians. His incessant
habit of being a Sin Cop rather than uplifting the love of Christ
makes ALL of us as Christians look bad. The world is supposedto
dislike us because of the truth, not think us fools because of genuine
foolishness.
It is incredibly disturbing to me that the Christians with the money
and power to say something to the world are the one's who spread fear
and hate. The Christians who want to show love and lift up Christ
generally don't get the voice that these loudmouths do.
- Marc Plainguet
Thad Harroun
> I watch the teletubbies and I can state with a complete and clear heart that
> the Reverend Falwell has lost his mind if he sees anything the least bit
> questionable about The Teletubbies.
[ Read the article your self...
http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/feb99/politics2.htm]
First of all, this idea that tinkie-winkie is gay isn't original with Falwell.
I've read that suggestion on TT's and other web sites (_not_ from Christian
circles) long ago. Falwell's paper reports that the idea has appeared in gay
newspapers and mags across the country. So much so, that the Washington post
implied it/him (what is the gender of a teletubbie?) a sort of gay celebrity.
The paper wants people to be aware of how _others_ are treating the
teletubbies. By the way, on one of the morning programs today, Falwell said he
didn't write or contribute to the article in question.
Where the article errs is believing that the coicidences of purple triangles
are intentional, a suggustion I find highly suspect, but again, not an original
idea with Falwell.
Thad
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Jason Steiner
> Jason Steiner wrote:
> > Dan Temmesfeld <dan...@erinet.com> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Jerry Falwell needs to get a life...
> >
> > Y'know what I don't understand... Why is Jerry Falwell considered
> > a moral authority? He's as fat as Jabba the Hutt, and has so many
> > burst capillaries he's got to be putting away at least a quart of
> > whiskey a day. What happened to those passages in the Bible about
> > gluttony and drunkenness, anyway?
> >
> > Steven Tyler, Keith Richards, and Grace Slick are all pictures of
> > health compared to him. Yet Falwell gets to be the representative
> > for clean and righteous living?
>
> Rev. Falwell gets to a "Representative", is exactly for the
> negative reasons you mentioned. Media needs controversy to get
> ratings, and showing an average common sense Christian ain't gonna
> get the high numbers.
The average common sense Christian doesn't own his own newspaper,
for them to pull quotes from. Jerry Falwell's getting the money from
those things from somewhere. Is the liberal media bankrolling him
just so they'll have someone controversial to quote?
> Also, when on average, Rev. Falwell makes well thought out
> Biblically sound statements, it does them little good to show that.
Like the anti-Christ is on the earth today, and God's coming back
within the next ten years?
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: I've always been told that purple is the colour of sexual frustration
: ...which seems somehow appropriate.
Heh. I've always been told it's the colour of artists or creativity. Not
that there's necessarily a difference between the two definitions ... ;)
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Like the anti-Christ is on the earth today, and God's coming back within
: the next ten years?
Incidentally, what's the basis for that claim? Is he just echoing Pat
Robertson, who said that America's "spiritual birth" took place in 1607,
and that the Second Coming would take place 400 years later, i.e. in 2007?
Cheef
> Yet Falwell gets to be the representative for
>clean and righteous living?
Falwell only gets to be Falwell.
Truth is, even the Religious Right abandoned Falwell years ago.
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>Where the article errs is believing that the coicidences of purple triangles
>are intentional, a suggustion I find highly suspect, but again, not an original
>idea with Falwell.
Hmmm... I can't think of any idea of Falwell's which has ever appeared in the
press which was original.
MSJanke
Hey Mike, I was annoyed when I first heard the story about the reletubbies.
But I Watched Jerry being interviewed on Hockenberry, and he did a very
good job of explaining the statement he made, which was taken grossly out
of context. The press totally made it sound like he was saying that the
teletubbie was gay, and in fact he said no such thing. And then he said
that he didn't even think that it was a problem for kids to watch it. I
won't get into specifics about what was said because you probably don't
care, but I just want you to know that the media made a fool out of Jerry,
not Jerry. His main point was that whether the teletubby is gay or not,
parents should review things before they let their kids watch them, and if
the telebubby doesn't promote homosexuality, as Jerry assumes, ten by all
means let your kids watch them. He was just calling for prudence on the
part of the parents. Well, that's all. TTYL
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Jason Steiner
> Jason Steiner <ja...@gaydeceiver.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yet Falwell gets to be the representative for
> > clean and righteous living?
>
> Falwell only gets to be Falwell.
> Truth is, even the Religious Right abandoned Falwell years ago.
...Which explains why he's still in business. SOMEBODY'S buying
his newspapers, going to his school, etc. Is it all a plot by
the liberal media elite to keep a silly Christian around so they
can have someone to poke fun at? Or could it be that support for
him among the religious right isn't quite as soft as you'd like
to imply?
Jeff Edwards
(regardless of whether he wrote it or not) go to
http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/feb99/politics2.htm Also check out
www.falwell.com to see 'ol Jerry's response to the media, where he does
indeed underscore the importance of screening children's programs, but then
goes on to cite additional sources regarding the sexual preference of
Tinky-Winky.
I have to respectfully disagree with your friend - it is definitely Jerry
(and his writers) who made a fool out of Jerry. The media brought it to
light.
I just can't help but imagine the typical toddler, hugging a Teletubby doll,
eyes filled with tears, saying, "Mommy/Daddy, why is that man saying bad
things about Tinky Winky."
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(formerly the Waco Kid)
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MSJanke wrote in message <19990211131913...@ng117.aol.com>...
Brian Lewis
> ...Which explains why he's still in business. SOMEBODY'S buying
> his newspapers, going to his school, etc. Is it all a plot by
> the liberal media elite to keep a silly Christian around so they
> can have someone to poke fun at? Or could it be that support for
> him among the religious right isn't quite as soft as you'd like
> to imply?
The answer to the first question is the media (forget all the descriptives) is
trying to sell news. If they can get ratings from something Falwell says, then
they will. The answer to the second question is the name recognition. It seems
as though support for him has waned dramatically in 20 years (anyway, buying
papers and attending his school does not necessarily imply agreement with his
ideals, etc), but again if the media can milk something for ratings...
Brian
HistoryDC
>You know...i actually thought the very same thing. I mean, the first time I
>saw the show, here is this "boy" carrying around a purse......who knows,
>though.
So what? Besides, it might not be a purse in the Teletubby World - maybe just a
magic bag. Doesn't Falwell have something better to do than to spread fear
among the fundamentalists? A Teletubby with a purse should be the least of
their worries.
Tim
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Chuck Pearson
Thad Harroun (th...@rice.edu) wrote:
: The paper wants people to be aware of how _others_ are treating the
: teletubbies. By the way, on one of the morning programs today, Falwell said he
: didn't write or contribute to the article in question.
and the report i read in the columbus dog^H^Hispatch today stated the
same thing flat-out. falwell didn't write the piece, one of his
underlings for this newsletter of his did.
but falwell's the editor of the newsletter, and as such allowed the thing
to go forward.
so my original thesis when i read the headline [oh, dear Lord, but
falwell's totally lost it now] isn't quite correct. it's falwell's
underlings who have lost it - falwell simply is falling down on the job
of holding them in check.
not sure which is the more damning statment.
chuck
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> You know...i actually thought the very same thing. I mean, the first time I
> saw the show, here is this "boy" carrying around a purse......who knows,
> though.
I hear purses for men are very European. Maybe Jerry thinks all European
men are gay...
Ed Rock Crabtree
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Frederick A. Lajoie
>
> snail (sn...@careless.netOOPS.au) wrote:
> : I've always been told that purple is the colour of sexual frustration
> : ...which seems somehow appropriate.
>
> Heh. I've always been told it's the colour of artists or creativity. Not
> that there's necessarily a difference between the two definitions ... ;)
Purple has always been my favorite colour. I am very creative. As for
the other purple-ascribed (pardon my french) theory, let's just say that with
the woman/wife/partner/lady/better-half (pc enough?) i have, i'd have to
be blind & numb to be frustrated. ;-)
Fred
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>
>I have to respectfully disagree with your friend - it is definitely Jerry
>(and his writers) who made a fool out of Jerry. The media brought it to
>light.
You know what's interesting, though? Nobody thought the Time, People, and
Washington Post articles that implied that Tinky Winky was walking light in
his/her shoes were written by fools.
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Peter Thomas Chattaway <pet...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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>This is one of those allegations that I just don't get. I thought the gay
>colour, if there is such a thing, was pink. You know, pink triangles, the
>stuff in the movie _Jeffrey_?), stuff like that.
>
I thought their shade was a rainbow pattern.
David Murray (SG Fan)
Darren Aitcheson <dar...@cracker.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I saw an article today (it could even have been the one which started
>this thread, so asleep am I...) which wondered whether parents should
>stop their kids watching Barney because Barney's purple as well. A gay
>dinosaur doesn't bear thinking about.
The image isn't new. A teenager at my church of all places shared the
following little parody with me at least four years ago. It's sung to the
original theme of Barney. Forgive me for repeating it, but it IS funny.
I love you. You love me.
Homosexuality.
With a gun in my hand and Barney on the floor,
I just did a dinosaur.
Coyote Art
must have some fundraising value.
p.s. Is there a closet on that spaceship?
p.p.s. Is a magic bag, that can have unusually large objects crammed
into it, worse than a purse?
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Loki
<paranoia...@airmail.net> wrote:
<snip>
>I just can't help but imagine the typical toddler, hugging a Teletubby doll,
>eyes filled with tears, saying, "Mommy/Daddy, why is that man saying bad
>things about Tinky Winky."
One can only hope that this will give most rational parents an
opportunity to show their children the ignorance and sickness in the
Christian religion and expose them to the foolishness thereof so they
don't get taken in later.
>--
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>(formerly the Waco Kid)
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Aces 90957
anything, Falwell needs to learn to control the stuff going on. He needs to
learnh to zip it, his problem is he speaks before he thinks...
Peter Thomas Chattaway
Calif. mayor blasts Falwell over Teletubby ``outing''
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Take heart, Tinky Winky. The city of West
Hollywood is here to defend your honor.
The mayor of this small, gay-friendly Los Angeles suburb on Thursday
called ``outrageous'' charges by religious leader Rev. Jerry Falwell that
the big purple Teletubby was gay, saying that children everywhere would
have their hearts crushed by the controversy Falwell had sparked.
Falwell, writing in his monthly magazine ``National Liberty Journal'' said
Tinky Winky, who speaks in a boy's voice but is otherwise androgynous, has
been seen carrying a red purse.
Falwell also noted that Tinky Winky is purple -- the gay pride color --
and has an antenna on his head in the shape of a triangle -- the gay pride
symbol -- and warned parents to be alert to subtle messages from the show.
West Hollywood Mayor Steve Martin, whose city boasts the nation's only
majority-gay city council, called Falwell's remarks ``irrational,'' and
stood by Tinky Winky.
``Jerry Falwell has single-handedly crushed the hearts of many children by
viciously casting Tinky Winky into a sexual controversy,'' he said. ``It's
embarrassing that Falwell is so obsessed with gay issues that he forced
the discussion of Tinky Winky's sexuality upon parents and their
children.''
Martin also took umbrage at what he said was an unfair attack by Falwell
on the fictional character.
``We are offended by his preoccupation with sexual orientation and his
outrageous attack of Tinky Winky,'' Martin said. ``Now, every purple
children's character may be a victim of his vicious hate.''
``Watch out, Barney, he may be coming after you next!'' he said.
Laurie Fry, a spokesman for PBS, where Tinky Winky appears with his four
friends La La, Po and Dipsy Wipsy, has said that the Teletubbies are
toddlers and are not intended to have sexual orientations of any kind.
She said the purse is actually a magic bag.
Falwell was not the first to speculate on Tinky Winky's sexual
orientation. The gay magazine Out has previously made mention of his
possible homosexuality.
And Falwell pointed out in his magazine that the character had been
pictured with lesbian actress Ellen DeGeneres in the Washington Post's
annual list of ``What's in and What's Out.''
Reuters/Variety
^REUTERS@
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Cheef <ch...@cheef.com> wrote:
: > Truth is, even the Religious Right abandoned Falwell years ago.
:
: ...Which explains why he's still in business. SOMEBODY'S buying his
: newspapers, going to his school, etc.
Didn't the guys in DC Talk meet there?
Hmmmm. If they had met at Bob Jones University, would they have been
allowed to start their band?
Jason Steiner
> Jeff Edwards <paranoia...@airmail.net> wrote:
> ...
> >
> > I have to respectfully disagree with your friend - it is
> > definitely Jerry (and his writers) who made a fool out of Jerry.
> > The media brought it to light.
>
> You know what's interesting, though? Nobody thought the Time,
> People, and Washington Post articles that implied that Tinky Winky
> was walking light in his/her shoes were written by fools.
That's because they were *jokes*.
Ike
Larry are homo-fruits. They have seeds. They are not even vegetables.
HeyRachee wrote:
>
> You know...i actually thought the very same thing. I mean, the first time I
> saw the show, here is this "boy" carrying around a purse......who knows,
> though.
>
> Rachel H. : )
> Family Christian Stores
> "Some think they got a lot to offer. Some people think they got a lot to give.
> Those people think they own this world, but some people know to truly live."
> Bebo Norman
As a former 5+ year employee of Family Christian Stores, heed my
advice--> QUIT!!!!, before they screw up your mind and steal your
self-worth and dignity. You'll be disillusioned (if not already) into
thinking that selling "heavenly Beanie Jesus's" and "Jesus toe-nail
clippers" and "testimints" and my all-time favorite Jimmy Swaggart's
Gospel Hits are to the glory to God. (So its okay to sell Swaggart and
Baker stuff, but not okay to sell King's X, Bruce Cockburn Christmas,
Michael English stuff...hmmmm) What the bookstore does is make carbon
copies of worldly items-> stick a Jesus sticker and christianize the
product. The president of FCS was a head executive in Wal_Mart. And he
uses the same marketing principles- Buy cheap, buy bulk, sell cheap,
sell bulk- quality suffers--> christianity suffers. It shows
christianity as just a platform for profits. There is no inspired
creativity or in the whole industry. I don't think it used to be that
way- but the profit-driven market of this industry is sacrificing
quality, creativity, and divine assistance. When Christian Soap Opera
Romance Novels are the highest profit maker in the book category, you
just gotta wonder "hmmmm" I would have been the first person to defend
the store while I was working there. I would rationalize everything in
the store. But I see it as white middle-class American christian
republican propaganda. When you can't find Merton, St. Augustine,
L'engle, Buechner, Luther, Mother Theresa's book while you see a full
bulk head of Rush Limbaugh, Jim Baker, and Big Hilary is Watching You,
you know there is something really wrong. The cheap quality products
and the biased political motivation of the bookstore--> we should be
ashamed of our selves. We are such pharisees if we microscopically
judge a secular children show with our high unattainable morals.
Ike
Come on,
Did anyone ever respect Falwell's views on anything anyways? Christian
or not?
He's a moron. Always will be. Never heard an inspired word come out of
his mouth.
This should not be headline news. Falwell does not represent American
Christianity - or does he???
David Murray (SG Fan)
Jason Steiner <ja...@gaydeceiver.com> wrote in message
7a0cct$5um$1...@nnrp03.primenet.com...
>David Murray (SG Fan) <dbmu...@bogus.spam.net> wrote:
>> Jeff Edwards <paranoia...@airmail.net> wrote:
>> ...
>> >
>> > I have to respectfully disagree with your friend - it is
>> > definitely Jerry (and his writers) who made a fool out of Jerry.
>> > The media brought it to light.
>>
>> You know what's interesting, though? Nobody thought the Time,
>> People, and Washington Post articles that implied that Tinky Winky
>> was walking light in his/her shoes were written by fools.
>
>That's because they were *jokes*.
I haven't seen the articles in question, but I'm under the impression that
of the three, only The Washington Post's story was written as a joke.
Ike
BrianDAS1
the article did in fact reflect his views. But he also tried to pawn it off on
others who simply said, what other people said (Never checking it out for
themselves of course). Hence the "I never said it but I stand by the
accusation" line he used all day yesterday.
But lets say we all take on Jerry's world view, many people find thing in the
Holy Bible unfit for children. So I hope the Reverend will keep up this same
standard and warn parent about that too. I somehow doubt it. The problem I have
is he knows better, he doesn't believe it himself and is just fanning the
flames of the same Christians who had no trouble with the KKK and Jim Crow laws
and the ever popular kill a commie for Christ mind set.
Of course I see this kind of spilt mind thinking from people who claim to be
pro-life but love the death penalty and big defense budgets all the time. I
simply can't see why they would want to waste their time with Jesus who's
sermon on the mount seem to stress a different more graceful. world view.
Well, I think that enough generalization for one day...OK maybe a month.
Later
Brian Healy
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Matt Laswell
: I saw an article today (it could even have been the one which started
: this thread, so asleep am I...) which wondered whether parents should
: stop their kids watching Barney because Barney's purple as well.
Yes.
--
matt laswell -- laswell at jump dot net
"Ultimately, my days are moved by the one who creates time"
- Dan Quisenberry
Matt Laswell
: West Hollywood Mayor Steve Martin, whose city boasts the nation's only
: majority-gay city council, called Falwell's remarks ``irrational,'' and
: stood by Tinky Winky.
: ``Jerry Falwell has single-handedly crushed the hearts of many children by
: viciously casting Tinky Winky into a sexual controversy,'' he said. ``It's
: embarrassing that Falwell is so obsessed with gay issues that he forced
: the discussion of Tinky Winky's sexuality upon parents and their
: children.''
Ummm... Is it just me or has this guy managed to be as nutty as Falwell?
Jason Steiner
>
> > ...Which explains why he's still in business. SOMEBODY'S buying
> > the liberal media elite to keep a silly Christian around so they
> > can have someone to poke fun at? Or could it be that support for
> > him among the religious right isn't quite as soft as you'd like
> > to imply?
>
> The answer to the first question is the media (forget all the
> descriptives) is trying to sell news. If they can get ratings from
> something Falwell says, then they will.
Um, I was referring to _Falwell's_ newspaper, which first published
the story. Who's buying it? Why is he still publishing it if nobody
reads it? The answer is, of course, that somebody DOES read it, and
not just liberal journalists looking for something to make fun of.
> The answer to the second question is the name recognition. It seems
> as though support for him has waned dramatically in 20 years
> (anyway, buying papers and attending his school does not
> necessarily imply agreement with his ideals, etc),
Why else would you do these things? Yes, there are people like me
who enjoy "recreational Christianity", which might explain some of
his publishing empire. It works for Jack Chick. But Jerry Falwell's
not as a reliable source of amusement, so I doubt it.
And I don't know of anyone desperate enough for laughs to pay tuition
for them.
jason
r.m.c's first resident atheist
Jason Steiner
> Peter Thomas Chattaway <pet...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
> :
> : West Hollywood Mayor Steve Martin, whose city boasts the nation's only
> : majority-gay city council, called Falwell's remarks ``irrational,'' and
> : stood by Tinky Winky.
>
> : ``Jerry Falwell has single-handedly crushed the hearts of many children by
> : viciously casting Tinky Winky into a sexual controversy,'' he said. ``It's
> : embarrassing that Falwell is so obsessed with gay issues that he forced
> : the discussion of Tinky Winky's sexuality upon parents and their
> : children.''
>
> Ummm... Is it just me or has this guy managed to be as nutty as Falwell?
He's couching it in politician-speak, but it sounds to me like he's
got kids of his own.
Kids are going to hear, "Tinky Winky is gay," and understand that this
is some kind of accusation, even if they don't understand exactly
what "gay" entails. To a little kid, that can be pretty devastating.
It's certainly going to prompt all kinds of questions.
The prospect of millions of parents trying to explain the sexual
politics of the '90s to their three year old kids would be funny if it
weren't so sad. I'm certainly glad that the one three year old
Teletubbie fan I know is extremely sheltered. At least this way his
mom doesn't have to try to explain Jerry Falwell to him.
Snapp
It's a little sad that we're babbling so much about this, when there are REAL
things happening.
CBS chose not to air an interview with a woman President Clinton sexually
assaulted/raped, and we're soap boxing over TelleTubbies.
Ugh, sorry, I just get sickened by our petty "Jerry Springer-like" news
interests.
Mike "stepping temporarily off his soap box"
Cheef
>....Which explains why he's still in business. SOMEBODY'S buying
>his newspapers, going to his school, etc. Is it all a plot by
>the liberal media elite to keep a silly Christian around so they
>can have someone to poke fun at? Or could it be that support for
>him among the religious right isn't quite as soft as you'd like
>to imply?
He certainly has some folks who admire him as an "elder statesman". And he
has enough folks who support him to keep him going. But his finances have
been atrocious, support for all his activities are way off (How long has it
been since "The Old Time Gospel Hour" played prime-time UHF in your market?
How many times has Liberty University defaulted on bond payments? etc...), and
his more reckless activities (the Clinton tape) have chased even more away.
Jason Steiner
> Jason Steiner <ja...@gaydeceiver.com> wrote:
>
> >....Which explains why he's still in business.
>
> And he has enough folks who support him to keep him going. But
> his finances have been atrocious, support for all his activities
> are way off (How long has it been since "The Old Time Gospel Hour"
> played prime-time UHF in your market? How many times has Liberty
> University defaulted on bond payments? etc...), and his more
> reckless activities (the Clinton tape) have chased even more away.
Defaulted on bond payments? If it's true, that is serious. Maybe
there is justice after all...
jason
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MSJanke
>
>That fat ass tub of goo makes me proud to call myself Christian ;<
Oh, and "fat ass tub of goo" is a very Christian thing of you to say.
This thread disgusts me. Even if Falwell was out of line in what he said, even
if he's out of line in EVERYTHING he says, it gives you and I no right to slam
him and make fun of him. That is absolutely the un-Christian-like way to act
and I'm ashamed to read some of these posts here which are supposedly coming
from people who claim to be followers of Jesus.
Michael Janke
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Jason Steiner
> EKt...@my-dejanews.com
> >
> > That fat ass tub of goo makes me proud to call myself Christian ;<
>
> Oh, and "fat ass tub of goo" is a very Christian thing of you to
> say.
>
> This thread disgusts me. Even if Falwell was out of line in what
> he said, even if he's out of line in EVERYTHING he says, it gives
> you and I no right to slam him and make fun of him. That is
> absolutely the un-Christian-like way to act and I'm ashamed to read
> some of these posts here which are supposedly coming from people
> who claim to be followers of Jesus.
Yes, the Christian thing to do would be to defend that fat ass tub of
goo because he's "a brother in Christ", and then whine that you don't
understand why nobody respects Christians anymore.
Freddy Hanks
the information came from the writers (or designers?) of the tubbies. This
is not opinion. It was stated as fact by the producers also. And yes, it
is being USED as one of the new symbols for gay pride. This is not some
hallucinating Christian You need to check your facts, I went through alta
vista and yahoo and pulled up many articles written before this came out.
God Bless,
FRH
Ed Rock
> Minister of the Lord or Gay man in denial????
I can only think of one other man as obsessed with gay men as Jerry
Falwell, and that would be Jesse Helms.
Anyone see _Dear Jesse_?
Ed Rock Crabtree
"Sign me up for the Church of Ed and Dave. (Can I be an apostle?)"
--Ashley Cleveland
emi...@my-dejanews.com
MSJanke
>goo because he's "a brother in Christ", and then whine that you don't
>understand why nobody respects Christians anymore.
>
>jason
Obviously I wasn't talking to you, Jason. And I was not whining. You missed
the point of my post anyways and I'm not going to try to expain myself to you
again, other than saying that it's all about living in a manner that is totally
consistant with with the faith you claim to have.
BrianDAS1
Many Klansmen use the Bible and Christ as their symbol and reason for white
power. So why are they not writing articles to keep kids from Christianity? Or
the Bible?
Because you go by the context and the authors, something Jerry's folk choose to
ignore. You don't just say ooh bad, bad, devil because some twit who happens to
be gay thinks he's getting the gay radar vibes from a kiddie show.
The producers of the show have been on record for years on what their reasons
and backgrounds for all of The Teletubbies characters are, and gay brainwashing
clearly is not and has not been one of them, ever! They have told people this
before the show aired in the US. So why make a warning to something that needs
no warning? Why fundraising of course it always keeps the paranoid right wing
nut cases coming back to fight the moral decay with their wallets.
So as Christians we can't use silly logic if we don't want the same "silly"
standards applied to us.
Later
Brian Healy
Troy Harris
My kids tell me Tinky -winky is a girl!!!!!!!!
Troy H
On 10 Feb 1999 22:25:03 GMT, pet...@unixg.ubc.ca (Peter Thomas
Chattaway) wrote:
>http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/Reuters19990210_1486.html
>
>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - First President Clinton and now Tinky Winky.
>America's sex cops are on the job. and not even the Teletubbies are safe.
>
>The largest of the four amorphous characters on the British-made
>children's television show has been ``outed'' by the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
>
>Against the backdrop of cries of ``sexual McCarthyism'' over the exposure
>and pursuit of Clinton, members of Congress and others for inappropriate
>amorous exploits, Falwell decided to expose Tinky Winky in the current
>issue of his monthly magazine ''National Liberty Journal.''
>
>``The character, whose voice is obviously that of a boy, has been found
>carrying a red purse in many episodes and has become a favorite character
>among gay groups worldwide,'' it said.
>
>Further evidence cited included the fact that the androgynous Tinky Winky
>is purple -- the gay pride color, and the antenna on his head is shaped
>like a triangle -- the gay pride symbol.
>
>``These subtle depictions are no doubt intentional, and parents are warned
>to be alert to these elements of the series,'' the magazine said.
>
>Falwell did not address the sexual proclivities of La La, Po and Dipsy who
>are equally shapeless yellow, red and green characters with squiggly
>antennae and television screens in their tummies.
>
>They live in a kind of high-tech igloo with a bug-eyed vacuum cleaner,
>surrounded by grass, rabbits and flowers. At the end of each show, a
>periscope rises from the ground and summons them to ``Teletubby bye-bye.''
>
>The show premiered in England in 1997 and came to the United States last
>year where it has been a hit for PBS. Teletubbies interactive dolls are
>set to go on the market next month.
>
>Falwell's magazine said Tinky Winky's sexuality had been the subject of
>debate for some time, pointing to the annual ``What's In and What's Out''
>list in the Washington Post.
>
>The magazine said that this year, Tinky Winky's photograph appeared
>opposite that of actress Ellen DeGeneres, implying that DeGeneres, star of
>the television sit-com ``Ellen,'' was ``out'' as the chief national gay
>symbol, while Tinky Winky was the trendy ``in'' celebrity.
>
>Laurie Fry, director of broadcast promotion at PBS, called the
>insinuations ``mindboggling.''
>
>``He's supposed to be a toddler, this is a children's show for goodness
>sake,'' she said.
>
>And that red purse? ``It's Tinky Winky's magic bag, he pulls all kinds of
>things out of it,'' Fry said.
>
>Reuters/Variety
>^REUTERS@
ebe...@yahoo.com
Ed Rock <ec...@ias.ga.unc.edu> wrote:
hmmmmm... hey ed...
> I hear purses for men are very European.
??!!... all men's purses are made in europe?... hmmmmm...
... must be another part of that evil eu conspiracy... ;)
(... but i guess you have to have something fashionable to
carry your *new* money in...)
> Maybe Jerry thinks all European men are gay...
hmmmmm... maybe his final opinion would depend upon how else they
accessorize... and he would just remain suspicious until he saw certain
geometric designs and a right shoulder placement... ;)
> Ed Rock Crabtree
hmmmmm... don't see much male pursage 'round here... hmmmmm...
... but everybody *is* supposed to have a brightly colored triangle in their
vehicle... !! hmmmmm... !!
____
lost in sicily
ebe...@yahoo.com
bria...@aol.com (BrianDAS1) wrote:
> Of course I see this kind of spilt mind thinking from people who claim to be
> pro-life but love the death penalty and big defense budgets all the time.
hmmmmm... ::: yawn :::...
BrianDAS1
>>CBS chose not to air an interview with a woman President Clinton
sexuallyassaulted/raped<<
Hi Snapp,
Your "facts" are a little wrong.
It's NBC and they have good cause not to air it, the women has several
versions of the story and has said in court papers it never happened, later she
said well it might have, changing again back to it did happen and to no comment
to I'll say nothing about it at all again please talk to my son the lawyer.
NBC has made it clear that if they can source her story beyond "he said she
said," "she said she didn't say," "she now says," they would run this story.
But they are having a hard time with some of the "facts" of the women's current
story. And should be thanked for their restraint.
The only reason this story about a story is out in public at all is because of
The Drudge Report feeding it to the world on the web and via right wing
newspapers and is trying to once again force all news reporting to his low
standards of gossip and innuendo as news, Well as long as it makes people he
doesn't like or opposes look bad. I'm happy NBC has held off instead of running
it to please that 33% of people who hate and have always hated and always will
hate Bill Clinton
Later
Brian Healy
NP: Let It Be / The Beatles
U.K. Version
Rick Baldwin
Ah, someone after my own heart... :)
HistoryDC
> bria...@aol.com (BrianDAS1) wrote:
>
>> Of course I see this kind of spilt mind thinking from people who claim to
>be
>> pro-life but love the death penalty and big defense budgets all the time.
Or, for that matter, from people who think it is entirely a-okay to perform
late-term abortions on viable fetuses, but want to protect a serial killer from
the death penalty. The sword of contradiction cuts both ways.
Tim
Loki
>Minister of the Lord or Gay man in denial????
Gay man in denial.
--
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Loki
-[E-Mail]- juv...@citrus.infi.net
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Christian rantings!" - Eldridge Kane
Loki
wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Ike wrote:
>
>> Minister of the Lord or Gay man in denial????
>
>I can only think of one other man as obsessed with gay men as Jerry
>Falwell, and that would be Jesse Helms.
Don't forget about our dear friend Rev. Fred Phelps. Talk about a
repressed homosexual!
>Anyone see _Dear Jesse_?
>
>Ed Rock Crabtree
>"Sign me up for the Church of Ed and Dave. (Can I be an apostle?)"
> --Ashley Cleveland
--
Loki
wrote:
>>
>
>It's a little sad that we're babbling so much about this, when there are REAL
>things happening.
> CBS chose not to air an interview with a woman President Clinton sexually
>assaulted/raped, and we're soap boxing over TelleTubbies.
I've heard claims that Clinton raped some woman, but if there was any
real evidence behind this claim don't you think that the Republicans
and their pal Ken Starr would have pounced on it like nobody's
business?
> Ugh, sorry, I just get sickened by our petty "Jerry Springer-like" news
>interests.
>Mike "stepping temporarily off his soap box"
--
Loki
<fre...@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:
>Peter Thomas Chattaway wrote:
>>
>> snail (sn...@careless.netOOPS.au) wrote:
>> : I've always been told that purple is the colour of sexual frustration
>> : ...which seems somehow appropriate.
>>
>> Heh. I've always been told it's the colour of artists or creativity. Not
>> that there's necessarily a difference between the two definitions ... ;)
>
> Purple has always been my favorite colour. I am very creative. As for
>the other purple-ascribed (pardon my french) theory, let's just say that with
>the woman/wife/partner/lady/better-half (pc enough?) i have, i'd have to
>be blind & numb to be frustrated. ;-)
Purple is/was also a royal colour. So I guess that means, according
to Falwellian logic, that any ruler who wore purple as a symbol of
royalty was gay.
That really simplifies a lot in world history, don't it?
>Fred
>Picked up _Dosage_ today! Yeeha!
>--
>remove JUNK at the end of my email address to REPLY!
>:-) <-- For the humour impaired.
>My only X lives in Tex. -> http://www.compassnet.com/grump/
>Have a cow boy! -> http://www.galacticcowboys.com/
>http://fox.nstn.ca/~fred_l/index.htm
Loki
<dbmu...@bogus.spam.net> wrote:
>
>Jeff Edwards <paranoia...@airmail.net> wrote in message
>669D9E3150AF969F.B8F5C13B...@library-proxy.airnews.net
>...
>>
>>I have to respectfully disagree with your friend - it is definitely Jerry
>>(and his writers) who made a fool out of Jerry. The media brought it to
>>light.
>
>
>You know what's interesting, though? Nobody thought the Time, People, and
>Washington Post articles that implied that Tinky Winky was walking light in
>his/her shoes were written by fools.
They simply reported on what they saw as symbolism. Jerry's problem
is that he cited this as evidence that all childrens' shows are run by
sexual "perverts." Remember, these are the same jokers who claimed
the Smurfs were occultists, that He-Man worshipped the devil, the
MightyMouse did cocaine, etc.
>David Murray /db-m...@rfci.net (to reply remove the dash)
>http://www.rfci.net/dbmurray
>RMC's Official Resident Southern Gospel Fan
>Making hay while the sun shines.
Joel Turner
>
> Why is everybody tripping over "gay colors?" Gay has nothing to do with
> anything, Falwell needs to learn to control the stuff going on. He needs to
> learnh to zip it, his problem is he speaks before he thinks...
Does that mean he belongs here in r.m.c.?
Joel Turner
>
> Your "facts" are a little wrong.
> It's NBC and they have good cause not to air it, the women has several
> versions of the story and has said in court papers it never happened, later she
> said well it might have, changing again back to it did happen and to no comment
> to I'll say nothing about it at all again please talk to my son the lawyer.
>
> NBC has made it clear that if they can source her story beyond "he said she
> said," "she said she didn't say," "she now says," they would run this story.
> But they are having a hard time with some of the "facts" of the women's current
> story. And should be thanked for their restraint.
>
> The only reason this story about a story is out in public at all is because of
> The Drudge Report feeding it to the world on the web and via right wing
> newspapers and is trying to once again force all news reporting to his low
> standards of gossip and innuendo as news, Well as long as it makes people he
> doesn't like or opposes look bad. I'm happy NBC has held off instead of running
> it to please that 33% of people who hate and have always hated and always will
> hate Bill Clinton
Hey Brian,
I don't think your version of events is credible. If Juanita's story is
as shaky as you say it is, why did they spend 8 hours interviewing her?
Why was she told the story would air on a Friday night news magazine
show if she is such a flake? Why would they waste their time?
I also have to ask a question that Matt Drudge has asked: What news does
not start out as gossip? We know (or at least we have heard from several
sources) that there is some substantial evidence of Clinton involved in
sexual crimes that have not been made public. Why shouldn't an
allegation be aired? Are we too stupid to understand a witness is not
credible?
A year ago you were probably saying the semen stained dress was dreamed
up by the 33% you mention above.
sch...@hotmail.com
proxy.airnews.net>,
"Jeff Edwards" <paranoia...@airmail.net> wrote:
> Peter Thomas Chattaway wrote in message
> >The largest of the four amorphous characters on the British-made
> >children's television show has been ``outed'' by the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
> >
>
> Hmm...I think it's time for me to write a few articles to submit to 'The
> Door' now....
Why doesn't he take on Winnie the Pooh, always running around
with no pants on?
Charles P. Hobbs
>
> HeyRachee wrote the following about those Teletubbies:
>
> >You know...i actually thought the very same thing. I mean, the first time I
> >saw the show, here is this "boy" carrying around a purse......who knows,
> >though.
>
> So what? Besides, it might not be a purse in the Teletubby World - maybe just a
> magic bag.
Felix the Cat had a magic bag, and nobody called *him* "gay" . . .
> Doesn't Falwell have something better to do than to spread fear
> among the fundamentalists? A Teletubby with a purse should be the least of
> their worries.
>
I haven't heard from Falwell for a long while; I bet this is more
of a ruse to get attention (and funds from his constituency, as
explained
in other posts). Doesn't do us mainstream Christians any good to have
him blowing this kind of smoke, at any rate. . .
Don Waugaman
Joel Turner <joelt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>BrianDAS1 wrote:
>>
>> Your "facts" are a little wrong.
>> It's NBC and they have good cause not to air it, the women has several
>> versions of the story and has said in court papers it never happened, later she
>> said well it might have, changing again back to it did happen and to no comment
>> to I'll say nothing about it at all again please talk to my son the lawyer.
>>
>> NBC has made it clear that if they can source her story beyond "he said she
>> said," "she said she didn't say," "she now says," they would run this story.
>> But they are having a hard time with some of the "facts" of the women's current
>> story. And should be thanked for their restraint.
>>
>> The only reason this story about a story is out in public at all is because of
>> The Drudge Report feeding it to the world on the web and via right wing
>> newspapers and is trying to once again force all news reporting to his low
>> standards of gossip and innuendo as news, Well as long as it makes people he
>> doesn't like or opposes look bad. I'm happy NBC has held off instead of running
>> it to please that 33% of people who hate and have always hated and always will
>> hate Bill Clinton
>Hey Brian,
I'm not Brian - in fact, unlike him, I have no musical talent whatsoever -
but I'll go go ahead and interpose here.
>I don't think your version of events is credible. If Juanita's story is
>as shaky as you say it is, why did they spend 8 hours interviewing her?
A reasonable theory is that it took eight hours to go through her story
and make note of all the various changes in it. It takes time to do an
interview and decide whether someone is credible or not - indeed, the
latter part consisting of following up leads and corroborating the evidence
takes even longer than the interview. Someone making a serious allegation
has to be questioned carefully to make sure that his or her story holds
up under careful examination. The reporters in question may not have
been able to analyze inconsistencies in 'real-time' so to speak, but
some glaring contradictions may have been apparent after some analysis
and background work.
>Why was she told the story would air on a Friday night news magazine
>show if she is such a flake?
More than likely she was not told that by someone who would be able to
make such a decision. Perhaps someone who thought she made a credible
witness initially began checking some of the background of the story and
had to reconsider. I find this *at least* as credible (if not much more
so) than for a reporter to sit on a huge story that (if broken) could
bring them fame and fortune.
>Why would they waste their time?
You are correct that reporters' time is valuable to them. However, they
will sometimes chase big stories in the hope that a long shot will pay
off and they go down in journalistic history as the next Woodward and
Bernstein. The fact that they are chasing such a big story should not be
considered as evidence of the story's truthfulness. Most of those types
of chases end up as proverbial wild-goose chases.
You are not arguing from positive evidence that the story is true; rather,
you are putting together some isolated facts that have *no* relevance to
the truth of the story itself, and using them in a manner that makes it
look like someone at NBC decided to silence her - the implication being
for sinister reasons.
It's certainly true that someone at NBC decided to not air the story, but
I don't think it follows that the reason is sinister. It may just have
been that the story didn't pan out. What is your evidence otherwise?
>I also have to ask a question that Matt Drudge has asked: What news does
>not start out as gossip?
I would ask: How much gossip becomes news? Should every third-hand
allegation made by some individual based on hearsay be investigated as
if it were the next Watergate or Teapot Dome?
We know (or at least we have heard from several
>sources) that there is some substantial evidence of Clinton involved in
>sexual crimes that have not been made public. Why shouldn't an
>allegation be aired? Are we too stupid to understand a witness is not
>credible?
Because NBC's time is valuable (as you mentioned previously). If they
have determined that someone is not credible, should they be forced to
waste their valuable network programming time so that people all around
can see for themselves? Personally, I'd rather see something that
someone else has already decided is credible, and *then* decide for
myself whether or not that's the case. Why waste my time with a story
that's already been shot out of the water?
- Don
Jason Steiner
>
> I've heard claims that Clinton raped some woman, but if there was any
> real evidence behind this claim don't you think that the Republicans
> and their pal Ken Starr would have pounced on it like nobody's
> business?
No. And when you understand why that is, a great many things will
become clear as to you well.
Doorman 1
>power. So why are they not writing articles to keep kids from Christianity?
>Or
>the Bible?
>
>Because you go by the context and the authors, something Jerry's folk choose
>to
>ignore. You don't just say ooh bad, bad, devil because some twit who happens
>to
>be gay thinks he's getting the gay radar vibes from a kiddie show.
>
>The producers of the show have been on record for years on what their reasons
>and backgrounds for all of The Teletubbies characters are, and gay
brainwashing
>clearly is not and has not been one of them, ever! They have told people
>this
>before the show aired in the US. So why make a warning to something that
>needs
>no warning? Why fundraising of course it always keeps the paranoid right
>wing
>nut cases coming back to fight the moral decay with their wallets.
>
>So as Christians we can't use silly logic if we don't want the same "silly"
>standards applied to us.
>Later
>Brian Healy
>
>
>Syndrome
believing the shows producers and ignoring the obvious is the same character
trait that caused your last cd to blow up my crap detector. sometimes both
sides have reasons for not showing all their cards. it is just as bad to be a
paranoid right wing nut case as it is to be a gullible left wing enlightened
soul.
russ
aud...@writeme.com
>>He needs to
> > learnh to zip it, his problem is he speaks before he thinks...
Not that I have any desire to defend Falwell.... and not that this means that
he's not wacky.... but accoring to my local news, he calims that he never said
the crap about the teletubbies.
-ET
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Loki <juv...@citrus.infi.net> wrote:
: > I've heard claims that Clinton raped some woman, but if there was any
: > real evidence behind this claim don't you think that the Republicans
: > and their pal Ken Starr would have pounced on it like nobody's
: > business?
:
: No. And when you understand why that is, a great many things will become
: clear as to you well.
This from the man who normally sneers at conspiracy theories ...
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: . . . accoring to my local news, he calims that he never said the crap
: about the teletubbies.
Never? He may not have written the original article, but he does own the
magazine that printed it (and presumably gets to check stuff before it
runs), and *somebody* had to have written the followup press release:
http://www.falwell.com/jf2/state2.html
So gay men have made Tinky Winky a gay icon -- so what? Marky Mark and
Judy Garland are gay icons, but neither of them was a gay man. Should
kids stop watching _The Wizard of Oz_ because Judy has lots of gay fans?
However you slice it, this is guilt-by-association, and while Falwell may
be technically correct when he says that he did not write the original
article, he's done everything he can since to back it up.
Merlin
like me and others. I think we would all be better off without him
giving his senseless and irrational opinions.
loserboy
>
>I also have to ask a question that Matt Drudge has asked: What news
>does not start out as gossip?
the three headlines at yahoo (as of 10:05 pm est on 2/13/99):
clinton acquittal, judge finds pilot group in contempt, and
clinton commits troops to kosovo. none of those sound like
they started out as gossip...
glenn
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>It's a little sad that we're babbling so much about this, when there are REAL
>things happening.
Well, for varying definitions of real.
> CBS chose not to air an interview with a woman President Clinton sexually
>assaulted/raped, and we're soap boxing over TelleTubbies.
Except that Clinton is a local matter (to the USA) whilst the Teletubbies
is of global importance. Personally I'd consider issues like Kosovo and
East Timor to be "more real" than Clinton's sexual adventures.
> Ugh, sorry, I just get sickened by our petty "Jerry Springer-like" news
>interests.
Watch where you've waving that 'our'. That's almost a 'you people' in
this context.
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Jason Steiner
> Jason Steiner (ja...@gaydeceiver.com) wrote:
> > Loki <juv...@citrus.infi.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've heard claims that Clinton raped some woman, but if there
> > > was any real evidence behind this claim don't you think that
> > > the Republicans and their pal Ken Starr would have pounced on
> > > it like nobody's business?
> >
> > No. And when you understand why that is, a great many things will
> > become clear as to you well.
>
> This from the man who normally sneers at conspiracy theories ...
Did I say anything about a conspiracy?
The U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were bitter enemies for quite a long time.
Yet somehow, we never got into a shooting war with each other. At
least, not directly. Does that mean there was a conspiracy between
our governments?
Patrick J. Sweeney
BrianDAS1
crap.
Wow! Great Retort.
You showed me. Look on the bright side now can use the disc as a coaster.
Later
Brian Healy
BrianDAS1
late-term abortions on viable fetuses, but want to protect a serial killer from
the death penalty. The sword of contradiction cuts both ways.
>>
I agree I just hope you don't think I'm one of those.
BrianDAS1
What Don said pretty much covers it for me, I could not have said it better. I
would like to expand it a little though.
>What news does
not start out as gossip?<
The overwhelming majority, a person dies, a plane crashes, a speech is made, a
man bites a dog, a hurricane leaves hundreds homeless in mobil home park,
burglars do get arrested inside the D.N.C. Offices at The Watergate Etc.....
Real events that can be shown and easily proven with a little work so to have
the proof of what the facts are in play and what is the truth or falsehood or
simple error.
No matter how much someone tells a TV crew they were on a UFO it doesn't mater
if a hundred a fifty other people and 6 Nobel prize winners believes the story
a person tells it does nothing to prove that the person was really on the UFO
or telling the truth. They weren't on the UFO. That is why you have to go
beyond the testimony of others and look for outside proof. Who else was at the
Safeway when E.T. picked you up...what did they see?
Watergate is a great example the White House said "it was a 3rd rate burglary"
and claim it had nothing to do with it. But several reporters looked into it
and found a paper trail of crimes and witnesses and victims to abuses of power
that had started 3 years prior to any break in or cover up.
They had to double and triple source everything. And because of that they had
only one major error (and it wasn't on the key facts they reported in that
case, just who said it was wrong.) Sadly even items in The Starr Report
didn't rise to that level. But it was just spilled out for public
consumption.
Clearly N.B.C. wants to run the story more than anyone, that is the kind of
scoop (if true) that fills a news vacuum and bring in viewer which in turn
become advertising dollars for the network.
As far as why shouldn't an allegation be aired all I would say is how would you
feel and respond if someone asked online falsehoods I.E. "are you still beating
your wife?" do you still sleep with sheep" truth is not base on the charge but
the facts as can best be determined.
My problem with Drudge is he is proud of his not double checking, saying "well
the New York Times make mistakes" I have also found him to be very dishonest in
his Reporting I.E. tell the National Press Club and a National CSPAN audience
"well I never reported that Phil Hartman's wife was a cocaine prostitute but
others would" clearly he just did report it, but oh that doesn't count.
As far as the dress I saw it as irrelevant. For all I knew she was/is a stalker
(it's clear see didn't want the affair to end) and he did have at least passive
oral sex with her. It's still not something that would lead to the removal of
any President from office nor would lying about an affair to anyone. Of course
I don't advise it for PR reasons 8).
I mean if you think Clinton was the first guy to have sex with someone not his
wife in the oval office I'd say you should recheck your American history in
that area, we've had some real sex driven guy's in that job.
It's OK to dislike Clinton, keep doing so, I like watching the GOP crumble
over a guy who is going to be out of office in two years anyway. I just wish
they didn't waste 4 years and 40 million dollars prior to Monica on a 25 year
old land deal. I mean Jeb Bush cleaned up in the S&L crisis too but you won't
see the GOP or Matt Drudge talk about that. So let's say I question the right
wings motives.
Sadly people like me are forced into Clinton's corner because we have many of
the same political enemies, I don't defend his action. And as there are at this
time in history only two major parties and a bunch of upstarts parties (that
can't win a dog show let alone an election) I simply choose the one that I feel
matches my Christian world view of social and economical justice and have a
strong belief in the defense of the environment so as to protect what God has
created.
Grace & Peace
E Edwards
animal altogether.
Ed
Austin Powers wrote in message ...
>In article <19990211171556...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,
>hist...@aol.com says...
>> HeyRachee wrote the following about those Teletubbies:
>>
>> >You know...i actually thought the very same thing. I mean, the first
time I
>> >saw the show, here is this "boy" carrying around a purse......who knows,
>> >though.
>>
>> So what? Besides, it might not be a purse in the Teletubby World - maybe
just a
fear
>> among the fundamentalists? A Teletubby with a purse should be the least
of
>> their worries.
>
>just doing this to get his name in the public eye.
>
>Who would vote for him after he made a stick about sometihng like this
>(hell, who would vote for him period?) is beyond me though.
>
>Donnie
>
>fidat fidat, fidat fidat, fidat fidat, mar mar mar - Po
Mrclubtail
thay had no gender. I was assuming that they were just creatures
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Peter Thomas Chattaway <pet...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
: > Jason Steiner (ja...@gaydeceiver.com) wrote:
: > > Loki <juv...@citrus.infi.net> wrote:
: > > > I've heard claims that Clinton raped some woman, but if there was
: > > > any real evidence behind this claim don't you think that the
: > > > Republicans and their pal Ken Starr would have pounced on it like
: > > > nobody's business?
: > >
: > > No. And when you understand why that is, a great many things will
: > > become clear as to you well.
: >
: > This from the man who normally sneers at conspiracy theories ...
:
: Did I say anything about a conspiracy?
Not in so many words, no, but you were doing your best to sound kinda
spooky and ominous and X-Files-ish.
Jason Steiner
> Jason Steiner (ja...@gaydeceiver.com) wrote:
> : Peter Thomas Chattaway <pet...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
> : > Jason Steiner (ja...@gaydeceiver.com) wrote:
> : > >
> : > > become clear as to you well.
> : >
> : > This from the man who normally sneers at conspiracy theories ...
> :
> : Did I say anything about a conspiracy?
>
> Not in so many words, no, but you were doing your best to sound kinda
> spooky and ominous and X-Files-ish.
There are plenty of scary things in this world that have nothing
to do with conspiracies.
MASTER
SERMON WEBZINE:
MSJanke
>
>>It was stated as fact by the producers also.
>
>No, it was not! You have probably _heard_ from someone that they said
>this, but is it quite patently _not true_.
>
>This sort of lazy thinking among Christians really has to stop...
Oh, please! Dont even stereotype like that. This "lazy thinking," as you put
it, takes place in every type of group people. It is hardly unique to
Christians. Shall we label every group by the ignorant actions of a few? This
sort of stereotyping, by every side, has got to stop. It's counter-productive,
foolish, and often just inflamitory.
Michael Janke
(Remove ".no-spam" from email to contact me)
=====================================
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MSJanke
>
>On 15 Feb 1999 09:40:06 GMT, msj...@aol.com.no-spam (MSJanke) wrote:
>
>>>From: dar...@cracker.co.uk (Darren Aitcheson)
>>>
>>>>It was stated as fact by the producers also.
>>>
>>>No, it was not! You have probably _heard_ from someone that they said
>>>this, but is it quite patently _not true_.
>>>
>>>This sort of lazy thinking among Christians really has to stop...
>>
>>Oh, please! Dont even stereotype like that. This "lazy thinking," as you
>put
>>it, takes place in every type of group people. It is hardly unique to
>>Christians. Shall we label every group by the ignorant actions of a few?
>This
>>sort of stereotyping, by every side, has got to stop. It's
>counter-productive,
>>foolish, and often just inflamitory.
>
>around spreading blatant lies without challenge?
I said NO SUCH THING, so don't put words into my mouth, thank you. You can
correct people who are wrong all day long. Just quit stereotyping entire
groups of people based upon one person's statements.
Joel Turner
>
> Watergate is a great example the White House said "it was a 3rd rate burglary"
> and claim it had nothing to do with it. But several reporters looked into it
> and found a paper trail of crimes and witnesses and victims to abuses of power
> that had started 3 years prior to any break in or cover up.
> They had to double and triple source everything. And because of that they had
> only one major error (and it wasn't on the key facts they reported in that
> case, just who said it was wrong.) Sadly even items in The Starr Report
> didn't rise to that level. But it was just spilled out for public
> consumption.
The problem which you overlook is that for many events described in the
Starr report, there are only a two or three witnesses, and one or two of
them aren't talking. Does this mean the event never happened?
> Clearly N.B.C. wants to run the story more than anyone, that is the kind of
> scoop (if true) that fills a news vacuum and bring in viewer which in turn
> become advertising dollars for the network.
Or it causes problems for the network by drying up news sources within
the White House and jeopardizes government contracts for the parent
corporation. You can't pretend as if they have nothing to lose by
running the story.
> As far as the dress I saw it as irrelevant. For all I knew she was/is a stalker
> (it's clear see didn't want the affair to end) and he did have at least passive
> oral sex with her. It's still not something that would lead to the removal of
> any President from office nor would lying about an affair to anyone. Of course
> I don't advise it for PR reasons 8).
Hard evidence that the President committed perjury is irrelevant? I
don't think you are being consistent here.
> I mean if you think Clinton was the first guy to have sex with someone not his
> wife in the oval office I'd say you should recheck your American history in
> that area, we've had some real sex driven guy's in that job.
I never made this claim, or even hinted at it.
> It's OK to dislike Clinton, keep doing so, I like watching the GOP crumble
> over a guy who is going to be out of office in two years anyway. I just wish
> they didn't waste 4 years and 40 million dollars prior to Monica on a 25 year
> old land deal. I mean Jeb Bush cleaned up in the S&L crisis too but you won't
> see the GOP or Matt Drudge talk about that. So let's say I question the right
> wings motives.
I don't know what you're ranting about. Feel free to spell it out, but
if you want to keep it in the realm of vague allegations, that's OK with
me. I can trade cattle futures trading with S&L crises and Chinese
influence peddling with land deals. I don't think you want to go there.
> Sadly people like me are forced into Clinton's corner because we have many of
> the same political enemies, I don't defend his action. And as there are at this
> time in history only two major parties and a bunch of upstarts parties (that
> can't win a dog show let alone an election) I simply choose the one that I feel
> matches my Christian world view of social and economical justice and have a
> strong belief in the defense of the environment so as to protect what God has
> created.
How does a private citizen have political enemies? I'm trying to think
of a closing line that isn't too rude or insulting and I'm having a
tough time of it. I guess I am amazed that you would defend one of the
most corrupt administrations in history as sharing your "Christian world
view." I guess that some things, like truth and respect for unborn human
life, don't fit into that view.
And by the way, unlike some other folks here, I still dig your music.
Jeremiah Rickert
>Doesn't Falwell have anything better to do? Isn't there a prostitute somewhere
>he is supposed to be screwing right about now?
Actually Falwell, was one of the big three televangelists (bakker and
swaggart being the other two) that *didn't* do anything raunchy.
jr
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Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Actually Falwell, was one of the big three televangelists (bakker and
: swaggart being the other two) that *didn't* do anything raunchy.
Big three? Whatever happened to Pat Robertson?
He didn't have a sex scandal either, exactly, but when he ran for
President in 1988 he *did* have to confess that he and his wife celebrate
their wedding anniversary on, shall we say, the wrong date. But that's a
minor point, as I don't believe he and his wife were Christians when they
got married and had their first son (not necessarily in that order).