Sixpence in the top 10 2 weeks running.
Marla's Guy
Sixpence has been all over the _secular_ charts recently, first with "Kiss
Me", then with "There She Goes". But it's about freakin' time that they
landed on the Christian side of the chart world. Apparently the Christian
Research Report (CRR) agreed.
Two weeks ago, Sixpence None the Richer's "Breathe" landed at #13 on the
CRR's countdown list, as played by Twenty: The Countdown Magazine. Last
week, the group rose 3 spots to #10, breaking into the top 10 in only their
second week on the chart.
This week's countdown has Sixpence in the #6 spot. It's been a good week for
my type of bands, with Third Day at #11, Jars of Clay at #9, Sonicflood at
#7, and Kurt's baby Rebecca St. James at #2.....yippee!
--
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God"...yuck!
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Becky White
"Marla's Guy" <christ...@MARLAyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Sixpence has been all over the _secular_ charts recently, first
with "Kiss
>Me", then with "There She Goes". But it's about freakin' time
that they
>landed on the Christian side of the chart world. Apparently the
Christian
>Research Report (CRR) agreed.
I'm not convinced that those Christian charts actually mean
anything. Sometimes, there's just no rhyme or reason to the
songs they choose.
I agree that it's nice for Sixpence to be somewhat recognized by
the Christian community, but I don't see why it's essential their
success, or really that great of a milestone to have "Breathe"
make the charts.
>This week's countdown has Sixpence in the #6 spot. It's been a
good week for
>my type of bands, with Third Day at #11, Jars of Clay at #9,
Sonicflood at
>#7, and Kurt's baby Rebecca St. James at #2.....yippee!
I haven't kept up with RSJ at all lately. What song of hers is
doing well? Her the last album (that I remember) came out more
than a year ago, right?
Becky
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Marla's Guy
Becky White <beckywhit...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <88q6db$20dg$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Marla's Guy" <christ...@MARLAyahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >Sixpence has been all over the _secular_ charts recently, first
> with "Kiss
> >Me", then with "There She Goes". But it's about freakin' time
> that they
> >landed on the Christian side of the chart world. Apparently the
> Christian
> >Research Report (CRR) agreed.
>
> I'm not convinced that those Christian charts actually mean
> anything. Sometimes, there's just no rhyme or reason to the
> songs they choose.
>
> I agree that it's nice for Sixpence to be somewhat recognized by
> the Christian community, but I don't see why it's essential their
> success, or really that great of a milestone to have "Breathe"
> make the charts.
Oh, it may not actually MEAN anything...I just thought it was pretty cool.
> I haven't kept up with RSJ at all lately. What song of hers is
> doing well? Her the last album (that I remember) came out more
> than a year ago, right?
Right. The song is called "Yes, I Believe in God". It's on some VA comp, as
well as a CD single with Bec's new video "No Secrets". Kurt was in here a
coupla weeks ago blasting the song (and Bec) for "exploiting the Columbine
tragedy".
Trivia note: While RSJ was discussing the single on this week's countdown,
the OTHER Columbine song (MWS's "This is Your Time") played softly in the
background.
--
Josh Marihugh NP: Name Brand Radio
Marla's Guy
Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
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> >I dunno. "Kiss Me" and "There She Goes" don't particularly seem like
> >"christian" songs to me.. (must admit, I haven't listened to the latter
much
They're not especially. I guess I hold Squint partially to blame too. There
may not be much of Christian airplay value on the album, but surely
SOMETHING could have been released to the Christian market.
Any why didn't Christian radio pick up on "Brighten My Heart" from the
_Exodus_ project? Why did we have to wait until secular radio played "Kiss
Me" into the ground before Christian radio started playing them?
> >- still have the un-updated CD). In terms of "likeability" for me, I'd
rate
> >it as a 3/10. Maybe a 2. I think it sucks, plain and simple.
I also have the original version of the disc, but as I can't find all the
packaging I need to get the bonus disc, I simply found a good download of
"There She Goes" from Napster.
>
> Sorry, I should qualify that. I think "There She Goes" sucks plain and
> simple, not tha album, which is why I haven't bothered with the "updated"
CD
> or anything. I'd prefer to NOT have a copy of "There She Goes" it. Of
> course, I also prefer This Beautiful Mess to the self-titled album...
_TBM_ rocks my face, still. "Within A Room Somewhere" should have conquered
Christian radio, but unfortunately the demise of R.E.X. caused that not to
be.
--
Josh Marihugh NP: Project 86
Marla's Guy
will <stu1...@aug.edu> wrote in message
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>
> "Marla's Guy" <christ...@MARLAyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:88q6db$20dg$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com...
> > #7, and Kurt's baby Rebecca St. James at #2.....yippee!
>
> hehe... now was that *entirely* necessary?
of course not....i was just being an ass of sorts; largely because I sorta
had a crush on Bec myself once upon a time in my pre-Marla days...
--
Josh Marihugh NP: Ally McBeal
Mattias G. Hembruch
Marla's Guy <christrock99@MAR:Ayahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Sixpence has been all over the _secular_ charts recently, first with "Kiss
>Me", then with "There She Goes". But it's about freakin' time that they
>landed on the Christian side of the chart world. Apparently the Christian
>Research Report (CRR) agreed.
I dunno. "Kiss Me" and "There She Goes" don't particularly seem like
"christian" songs to me.. (must admit, I haven't listened to the latter much
- still have the un-updated CD). In terms of "likeability" for me, I'd rate
it as a 3/10. Maybe a 2. I think it sucks, plain and simple.
I'd rather see them promote a single like sister, mother, anything or love.
Oh well..
Mattias
--
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BASc, MASc Electrical and Computer Engineering, our reason does not apply.
Parallel & Distributed Systems Group K. Livgren
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Mattias G. Hembruch
Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>In article <88q6db$20dg$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>,
>Marla's Guy <christrock99@MAR:Ayahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sixpence has been all over the _secular_ charts recently, first with "Kiss
>>Me", then with "There She Goes". But it's about freakin' time that they
>>landed on the Christian side of the chart world. Apparently the Christian
>>Research Report (CRR) agreed.
>
>I dunno. "Kiss Me" and "There She Goes" don't particularly seem like
>"christian" songs to me.. (must admit, I haven't listened to the latter much
>- still have the un-updated CD). In terms of "likeability" for me, I'd rate
>it as a 3/10. Maybe a 2. I think it sucks, plain and simple.
Sorry, I should qualify that. I think "There She Goes" sucks plain and
simple, not tha album, which is why I haven't bothered with the "updated" CD
or anything. I'd prefer to NOT have a copy of "There She Goes" it. Of
course, I also prefer This Beautiful Mess to the self-titled album...
Mattias
will
"Marla's Guy" <christ...@MARLAyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> #7, and Kurt's baby Rebecca St. James at #2.....yippee!
hehe... now was that *entirely* necessary?
whs
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>I dunno. "Kiss Me" and "There She Goes" don't particularly seem like
>"christian" songs to me..
Who cares? "Kiss Me" is a likeable song, if a bit overplayed, and last
time I heard, the members of Sixpence are still Christians. Doesn't
bother me if it doesn't ring in high on the Jesusmeter.
JRjr
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"All the blue light reflections that color my mind when I sleep
And the lovesick rejections that accompany the company I keep..."
-- Counting Crows, "Mrs. Potter's Lullaby" --
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
Marla's Guy <christrock99@MAR:Ayahoo.com> wrote:
>Any why didn't Christian radio pick up on "Brighten My Heart" from the
>_Exodus_ project?
Because that song sucks? Maybe it's just me. (Or maybe it'd fit right
in on Christian radio...)
>Why did we have to wait until secular radio played "Kiss
>Me" into the ground before Christian radio started playing them?
Wasn't "Love" released as a single to _some_ market (Christian rock radio
or whatever, IIRC) well before "Kiss Me" hit it big?
Marla's Guy
Jerry B. Ray, Jr. <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <88sni0$3nfu$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
> Marla's Guy <christrock99@MAR:Ayahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Any why didn't Christian radio pick up on "Brighten My Heart" from the
> >_Exodus_ project?
>
> Because that song sucks? Maybe it's just me. (Or maybe it'd fit right
> in on Christian radio...)
My point exactly....it's NOT SNTR's best song, but, hey, if they'll play the
junk they do play, why not Sixpence? That song woulda been perfect!
--
Josh Marihugh NP: Shania Twain _Come On Over (International Remixes)_
Mattias G. Hembruch
Jerry B. Ray, Jr. <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
>In article <88sjib$rif$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
>Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>>I dunno. "Kiss Me" and "There She Goes" don't particularly seem like
>>"christian" songs to me..
>
>Who cares? "Kiss Me" is a likeable song, if a bit overplayed, and last
>time I heard, the members of Sixpence are still Christians. Doesn't
>bother me if it doesn't ring in high on the Jesusmeter.
Once again, that comes down to personal taste, and I'm sure we're both
pretty familiar with each others' positions by now..
However, the original question was: why aren't they charting high on the CCM
charts when they are charting high on the secular charts? My thoughts are
that this might be one of the main reasons - they're currently promoting a
single from a movie with nothing overtly christian about it, and a remake of
a secular song...
Bruce A. Brown
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:02:45 -0600
> Subject: Re: Sixpence in the top 10 2 weeks running.
>
> Jerry B. Ray, Jr. <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
> news:88u7j8$3...@catapult.gatech.edu...
>> In article <88sni0$3nfu$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
>> Marla's Guy <christrock99@MAR:Ayahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any why didn't Christian radio pick up on "Brighten My Heart" from the
>>> _Exodus_ project?
>>
>> Because that song sucks? Maybe it's just me. (Or maybe it'd fit right
>> in on Christian radio...)
>
> My point exactly....it's NOT SNTR's best song, but, hey, if they'll play the
> junk they do play, why not Sixpence? That song woulda been perfect!
Just a guess. Maybe Squint agreed to let them be on the project in exchange
for their contribution NOT being a single. That's pretty standard practice
in the compilation dept.
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>Who cares? "Kiss Me" is a likeable song, if a bit overplayed, and last
>>time I heard, the members of Sixpence are still Christians. Doesn't
>>bother me if it doesn't ring in high on the Jesusmeter.
>However, the original question was: why aren't they charting high on the CCM
>charts when they are charting high on the secular charts?
Perhaps they aren't being pushed to the CCM ghetto. There are plenty of
compelling reasons, both spiritual and practical, to NOT want that sort of
attention (if in fact they aren't receiving it-I pay NO attention to
"CCM charts," which is only slightly less than I pay to "mainstream charts").
Perhaps they're making music, setting aside the spiritual component for
the moment, that appeals more to the mainstream than to the CCM ghetto.
>My thoughts are
>that this might be one of the main reasons - they're currently promoting a
>single from a movie with nothing overtly christian about it, and a remake of
>a secular song...
(Editorial aside: I'm becoming more and more convinced that people who
view the world through lenses polarized to separate life into "Christian
things" and "not Christian things" are doing themselves a grave disservice.
The Bible doesn't say, as far as I'm aware, "whatever things are
published by Christian record labels, whatever things are sold through
Christian stores, whatever things are marketed to Christians, think on
these things." By allowing ourselves to become a niche market instead of
salt and light, Christians are pissing away any hope of ever having an
impact on the world.)
I'd say that "There She Goes" isn't getting Christian airplay because
it's just a generic pop song, instead of a song about Jesus. I don't
see much need to drag in the "secular song" and "secular movie" business.
Of course, I also don't see much need for Christian radio to exist other
than to assure that Christian music will never reach a broader audience.
mark edward hardwidge
> I'd say that "There She Goes" isn't getting Christian airplay because
> it's just a generic pop song, instead of a song about Jesus.
Unlike "Kiss Me", right? ;)
--
Mark E. Hardwidge
hard...@uiuc.edu
Mattias G. Hembruch
>Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>>>Who cares? "Kiss Me" is a likeable song, if a bit overplayed, and last
>>>time I heard, the members of Sixpence are still Christians. Doesn't
>>>bother me if it doesn't ring in high on the Jesusmeter.
>
>>However, the original question was: why aren't they charting high on the CCM
>>charts when they are charting high on the secular charts?
>
>Perhaps they aren't being pushed to the CCM ghetto. There are plenty of
>compelling reasons, both spiritual and practical, to NOT want that sort of
>attention (if in fact they aren't receiving it-I pay NO attention to
>"CCM charts," which is only slightly less than I pay to "mainstream charts").
Neither do I pay any attention to either of the charts. I think the last
time I seriously looked at the charts was when I wanted to see if Wonderama
was going anywhere...
>Perhaps they're making music, setting aside the spiritual component for
>the moment, that appeals more to the mainstream than to the CCM ghetto.
Which is exactly what I was saying, wasn't it?
>>My thoughts are that this might be one of the main reasons - they're
>>currently promoting a single from a movie with nothing overtly christian
>>about it, and a remake of a secular song...
>
>(Editorial aside: I'm becoming more and more convinced that people who
>view the world through lenses polarized to separate life into "Christian
>things" and "not Christian things" are doing themselves a grave disservice.
>The Bible doesn't say, as far as I'm aware, "whatever things are
>published by Christian record labels, whatever things are sold through
>Christian stores, whatever things are marketed to Christians, think on
>these things."
Comment on editorial:
Nor does it say: blindly follow the whims of fashion and whatever is played
on MTV or shown on VH1 or sung by Amy Grant, think on these things. It
says: test all things - hold on to that which is good.
As I've said countless times before: I don't consider all secular music
evil. However, IMHO, I'm much more likely to find something "good", which is
worth "holding on to" in the christian music scene than in the secular
scene. And perhaps I have stricter standards as to what qualifies as "good"
than you (not that that makes your standards wrong, or less "worthy").
>By allowing ourselves to become a niche market instead of salt and light,
>Christians are pissing away any hope of ever having an impact on the
>world.)
Are you saying that if we had 50 bands just like Sixpence who sang
good/great pop-love-songs and ended up being numbers 1-50 on the charts
without ever mentioning Jesus, the cross, his death and resurrection, we'd
make a huge impact on this world? How would people ever know? Seems to me
that almost no one who has only heard the song "Kiss Me" would know that the
members of Sixpence are christians (which I don't doubt, by the way). And
I've never heard them mention even one peep about it when they've been on
Leno/Letterman/etc. I'd think that would be a GREAT chance to be salt and
light..
How can we be light if we hide our light (the knowledge of Christ) under a
bushel in order to gain popularity in the world?? It doesn't say we have to
shine our lights in *THE* most prominent place, but we need to let them
shine, not hide them. "Friendship with the world is enmity with God."
>I'd say that "There She Goes" isn't getting Christian airplay because
>it's just a generic pop song, instead of a song about Jesus.
Umm. Isn't that what I said?
>I don't see much need to drag in the "secular song" and "secular movie"
>business.
Well, if "Kiss Me" was a single from a movie about the Song of Solomon, or
Isaac and Rebekah, or Moses and Zipporah, I would think it would be getting
a LOT MORE airplay on CCM. Maybe sad, but I think accurate.
>Of course, I also don't see much need for Christian radio to exist other
>than to assure that Christian music will never reach a broader audience.
But if it shies away from telling the truth everytime it gets a chance, then
what's the point of a broader audience?
Marla's Guy
Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
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> Are you saying that if we had 50 bands just like Sixpence who sang
> good/great pop-love-songs and ended up being numbers 1-50 on the charts
> without ever mentioning Jesus, the cross, his death and resurrection, we'd
> make a huge impact on this world? How would people ever know? Seems to me
No....but at the same time that Sixpence is coming on the scene, bands like
POD are blowing up, with much more of a Christian message.
And what happens when, as I saw happen several times, someone comes in
looking for the Sixpence single, and being unable to find it, purchases the
album, and hears some of the other great things on it?
> that almost no one who has only heard the song "Kiss Me" would know that
the
> members of Sixpence are christians (which I don't doubt, by the way).
A friend of mine, Kendra Tipps, was looking at WoW 2000 at Wal-Mart and her
comment was, "Hey, what's this secular band doing on here?"
At which point I had to explain the whole saga of Sixpence to a girl who had
only heard "Kiss Me".
>And
> I've never heard them mention even one peep about it when they've been on
> Leno/Letterman/etc. I'd think that would be a GREAT chance to be salt and
> light..
Uh...I would guess you didn't see Sixpence's last appearance on Letterman,
in which he interviewed Leigh, giving her a chance to explain the band name,
and in the process inject plugs for C.S. Lewis and Christianity in general.
>
> How can we be light if we hide our light (the knowledge of Christ) under a
> bushel in order to gain popularity in the world?? It doesn't say we have
to
> shine our lights in *THE* most prominent place, but we need to let them
> shine, not hide them. "Friendship with the world is enmity with God."
Precisely why, I would guess, Sixpence is still occasionally doing songs
like "Brighten My Heart" and "Breathe." I just hope that they don't wind up
like Amy Grant, where their only real Christian connections are on VA comps,
and the albums are purely secular.
--
Josh Marihugh NP: Street Legal
David Murray
> Just a guess. Maybe Squint agreed to let them be on the project in exchange
> for their contribution NOT being a single. That's pretty standard practice
> in the compilation dept.
And the practice is a major "Duh," too. Better they would give another
label the option of releasing it as a single in exchange for a free
license to put it on a future project such as a "greatest hits" or even
a regular release. After all, it's free promotion of their own artist.
Putting such limits on it seems rather self defeating.
David Murray
Noah Elliott
>
> Precisely why, I would guess, Sixpence is still occasionally doing
> songs like "Brighten My Heart" and "Breathe."
I'm sorry if this has been covered before, but what's this "Breathe"
song? Is it on some compilation? A movie soundtrack?
--noah
Marla's Guy
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Noah Elliott <mrn...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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It's from the _Streams_ project, a VA special project that is, I believe, up
for a Dove for "Special Event Album of the Year" or somesuch.
It's the only track on the disc I'm interested in....well, maybe the
Michelle Tumes track as well, but ONLY if I can find the disc good and cheap
somewhere. (Saw it at CD Warehouse for $6, but didn't have the $6 to spare.)
Josh Marihugh NP: Alanis Morissette _Jagged Little Pill_
Mattias G. Hembruch
Marla's Guy <christrock99@MAR:Ayahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>news:88upo1$8si$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca...
>> Are you saying that if we had 50 bands just like Sixpence who sang
>> good/great pop-love-songs and ended up being numbers 1-50 on the charts
>> without ever mentioning Jesus, the cross, his death and resurrection, we'd
>> make a huge impact on this world? How would people ever know? Seems to me
>
>No....but at the same time that Sixpence is coming on the scene, bands like
>POD are blowing up, with much more of a Christian message.
>
>And what happens when, as I saw happen several times, someone comes in
>looking for the Sixpence single, and being unable to find it, purchases the
>album, and hears some of the other great things on it?
Sure, that happens occasionally. But, I'll bet most people are just pissed
off that none of the other songs sounds ANYTHING like "Kiss Me". I used to
hate that about CCM bands too when they promote one song that sounds good,
then you buy the album, and really sucks except for that one song.
>> that almost no one who has only heard the song "Kiss Me" would know that
>the
>> members of Sixpence are christians (which I don't doubt, by the way).
>
>A friend of mine, Kendra Tipps, was looking at WoW 2000 at Wal-Mart and her
>comment was, "Hey, what's this secular band doing on here?"
>
>At which point I had to explain the whole saga of Sixpence to a girl who had
>only heard "Kiss Me".
Case in point :-)
>>And
>> I've never heard them mention even one peep about it when they've been on
>> Leno/Letterman/etc. I'd think that would be a GREAT chance to be salt and
>> light..
>
>Uh...I would guess you didn't see Sixpence's last appearance on Letterman,
>in which he interviewed Leigh, giving her a chance to explain the band name,
>and in the process inject plugs for C.S. Lewis and Christianity in general.
Actually, I might have heard a bit of that. I think they mentioned it comes
from C.S. Lewis. Did they go so far as to explain the quote it comes from,
etc? I can't remember.
>> How can we be light if we hide our light (the knowledge of Christ) under a
>> bushel in order to gain popularity in the world?? It doesn't say we have
>to
>> shine our lights in *THE* most prominent place, but we need to let them
>> shine, not hide them. "Friendship with the world is enmity with God."
>
>Precisely why, I would guess, Sixpence is still occasionally doing songs
>like "Brighten My Heart" and "Breathe." I just hope that they don't wind up
>like Amy Grant, where their only real Christian connections are on VA comps,
>and the albums are purely secular.
That's my point. It seems to become successful, one has to not speak of
Jesus. Which isn't too surprising, since we were told we would be hated on
account of his name..
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>That's my point. It seems to become successful, one has to not speak of
>Jesus. Which isn't too surprising, since we were told we would be hated on
>account of his name..
I'm becoming increasingly frustrated, and perhaps disgusted, with the
attitude that stuff needs to be explicitly "Jesusy" or else be
somehow not worthy.
1. This would seem to nearly inevitably lead to the converse, whereby
anything that's explicitly "Jesusy" is somehow worthy. The fact that
there's so much inferior product out there that's cashing in on this
attitude of the Christian niche market makes me pretty mad.
2. I don't like the implied "sellout" accusation that follows from what
you're saying, nor the "if you're a Christian, you should only write
songs like X" attitude that can be easily extrapolated from it.
3. I'm a firm believer in the idea that when you have to work for something
and discover it for yourself, you're far richer for the experience than
if it's just spelled out for you. Perhaps there's a place for "Jesusy"
stuff, but there's certainly also a place for more subtle approaches.
Mattias G. Hembruch
>Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>>That's my point. It seems to become successful, one has to not speak of
>>Jesus. Which isn't too surprising, since we were told we would be hated on
>>account of his name..
>
>I'm becoming increasingly frustrated, and perhaps disgusted, with the
>attitude that stuff needs to be explicitly "Jesusy" or else be
>somehow not worthy.
I think _SOME_ stuff should be "Jesusy". Not necessarily everything. Not all
the time.
>1. This would seem to nearly inevitably lead to the converse, whereby
> anything that's explicitly "Jesusy" is somehow worthy. The fact that
> there's so much inferior product out there that's cashing in on this
> attitude of the Christian niche market makes me pretty mad.
I can follow your line of thinking here. To some degree, it might be true,
but I don't think it's as rampant as some people think.
>2. I don't like the implied "sellout" accusation that follows from what
> you're saying, nor the "if you're a Christian, you should only write
> songs like X" attitude that can be easily extrapolated from it.
I'll figure out what my words imply, and do my own extrapolation of my
ideas, thankyouverymuch. I didn't say I thought Sixpence had sold out.
However, it's true that I am disappointed with their (and their producer's)
choice of which songs to promote as singles.
I guess I should avoid idle speculation, since it's not good, but...
When I heard them do "There she goes" at Cstone, I couldn't wait for it to
be over. I think it's a very bland song, does absofreakinlutely ZIPPO for me
in terms of music or lyrics (well, that part you're not too surprised about,
I'm sure). I'm not crazy about ALL the songs on the S/T album, but there are
several good ones. Ones I like at least musically OR lyrically and some
where both appeal to me.
Imagine how I felt when I heard they had released "there she goes" as their
second single? Now, maybe the band really likes the song, and that's why. To
me, it just screamed "we added this song on to our album after we became
famous, even though we'd already sold lots of the original album that didn't
include it, so that we could release another song that won't easily be
perceived as christian and thus turn people off".
>3. I'm a firm believer in the idea that when you have to work for something
> and discover it for yourself, you're far richer for the experience than
> if it's just spelled out for you.
A fine idea, and I definitely subscribe to it myself (maybe not everytime).
I don't think everyone does, though.
>Perhaps there's a place for "Jesusy" stuff, but there's certainly also a
>place for more subtle approaches.
Certainly. And I never said that one *HAD* to make "Jesusy" music to be a
christian musician. However, you brought in the notion of "impact", and the
idea that CCM music won't have any "impact" on the world - hence, you're
talking about witness, ministry, etc. That changes things a little, or maybe
even a lot.
I'm not against subtle. You know I'm a DA freak, and DA has some of the most
subtle lyrics around, I think. I enjoy thinking, when I can manage it (see
Black Monday thread :-). However, "there she goes" doesn't do much for me in
the thinking department, and "Kiss Me" isn't that far behind...
Becky White
mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca (Mattias G. Hembruch) wrote:
>In article <88ush6$bl4s$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>,
>Marla's Guy <christrock99@MAR:Ayahoo.com> wrote:
>>
message
>>news:88upo1$8si$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca...
>>Uh...I would guess you didn't see Sixpence's last appearance on
Letterman,
>>in which he interviewed Leigh, giving her a chance to explain
the band name,
>>and in the process inject plugs for C.S. Lewis and Christianity
in general.
>
>Actually, I might have heard a bit of that. I think they
mentioned it comes
>from C.S. Lewis. Did they go so far as to explain the quote it
comes from,
>etc? I can't remember.
Leigh most certainly did explain where it comes from - and what
it means. There are mp3's of her exact words out there
somewhere, and ISTR her words being posted in rmc before also.
For further commentary - the September (maybe?) 1999 issue of CCM
includes a great article by John Fischer which focuses on the
Sixpence / Letterman interview.
Becky
--Becky White
becky...@hotmail.com
Cstone '99: http://members.xoom.com/beckywhite/
Tim Dunbar
"Jerry B. Ray, Jr." wrote:
> I'm becoming increasingly frustrated, and perhaps disgusted, with the
> attitude that stuff needs to be explicitly "Jesusy" or else be
> somehow not worthy.
>
> 1. This would seem to nearly inevitably lead to the converse, whereby
> anything that's explicitly "Jesusy" is somehow worthy. The fact that
> there's so much inferior product out there that's cashing in on this
> attitude of the Christian niche market makes me pretty mad.
<asu> Join His name to any cause. Drop His name to get applause. <asu>
>
> 2. I don't like the implied "sellout" accusation that follows from what
> you're saying, nor the "if you're a Christian, you should only write
> songs like X" attitude that can be easily extrapolated from it.
Gotta agree with Jerry. If I am a teacher & a Christian, should I only teach in a
Christian school? Likewise, just because a Christian plays music for a living,
should that music always be so-called "Christian" in it's orientation? I don't
think so . . .
Tim
will
whs
"Jerry B. Ray, Jr." <vap...@prism.gatech.edu> wrote in message
news:891htu$9...@catapult.gatech.edu...
> In article <891ek2$t52$1...@watserv3.uwaterloo.ca>,
> Mattias G. Hembruch <mghe...@tyrant.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
> >That's my point. It seems to become successful, one has to not speak of
> >Jesus. Which isn't too surprising, since we were told we would be hated
on
> >account of his name..
>
> I'm becoming increasingly frustrated, and perhaps disgusted, with the
> attitude that stuff needs to be explicitly "Jesusy" or else be
> somehow not worthy.
>
> 1. This would seem to nearly inevitably lead to the converse, whereby
> anything that's explicitly "Jesusy" is somehow worthy. The fact that
> there's so much inferior product out there that's cashing in on this
> attitude of the Christian niche market makes me pretty mad.
>
> 2. I don't like the implied "sellout" accusation that follows from what
> you're saying, nor the "if you're a Christian, you should only write
> songs like X" attitude that can be easily extrapolated from it.
>
> 3. I'm a firm believer in the idea that when you have to work for
something
> and discover it for yourself, you're far richer for the experience
than
> if it's just spelled out for you. Perhaps there's a place for
"Jesusy"
> stuff, but there's certainly also a place for more subtle approaches.
>
will
> > anything that's explicitly "Jesusy" is somehow worthy. The fact that
> > there's so much inferior product out there that's cashing in on this
> > attitude of the Christian niche market makes me pretty mad.
>
> but I don't think it's as rampant as some people think.
Reference the thread about the Simpson's episode with Kovenant in it.
That's the most accurate picture of what nonbelievers think of Christian
music.
whs, who would be rich if he had a dollar for every friend who listened to a
CD in his car, only to later say, "whoa, this is Christian? but it
sounds... good."
Michael A. Vickers
>1. This would seem to nearly inevitably lead to the converse, whereby
> anything that's explicitly "Jesusy" is somehow worthy. The fact that
> there's so much inferior product out there that's cashing in on this
> attitude of the Christian niche market makes me pretty mad.
You should also tag the 4th commandment in right about here.
Michael
"They say pride is the chief of sins. Well, I know all the deputies." - VOL
--[Michael A. Vickers]----------------------------[mavi...@kings-x.com]--
Jeff Holland
> (Editorial aside: I'm becoming more and more convinced that people who
> view the world through lenses polarized to separate life into "Christian
> things" and "not Christian things" are doing themselves a grave disservice.
I like to call it "Neo-Gnosticism" because its really nothing
more than another vain attempt to separate the earthly from the
spiritual.
Jeff
(Plus, it makes me sound smart)
NP: Yes, _Keys to Ascension_
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