Primus - any Christian music similar?
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> Anyone know of any Christian music similar to that of Primus?
*Giggle*
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>Impactx2 <impa...@aol.comsadeeklb> wrote:
>> Anyone know of any Christian music similar to that of Primus?
>*Giggle*
Petra :-)
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Impactx2 <impa...@aol.comsadeeklb> wrote:
>Anyone know of any Christian music similar to that of Primus?
Yeah, there's plenty of Christian music that sucks. (But I can't think
of any offhand that sucks in the same way as Primus.)
JRjr, saw Primus open for Rush and was not impressed
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Jeff Holland
Jerry B. Ray, Jr. wrote:
> In article <20000417230506...@ng-fn1.aol.com>,
> Impactx2 <impa...@aol.comsadeeklb> wrote:
>
> >Anyone know of any Christian music similar to that of Primus?
>
> Yeah, there's plenty of Christian music that sucks. (But I can't think
> of any offhand that sucks in the same way as Primus.)
I always got a kick out of those shirts that said "Primus Sucks"
(put out by the band, right?)
Jeff
NP: Newsboys, _Not Ashamed_
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Brian Trosko
: I always got a kick out of those shirts that said "Primus Sucks"
: (put out by the band, right?)
I always liked "This is not a Fugazi shirt." Ah, for more bands that good
that I could see for 5 bucks...
NP: Lyle Lovett, _Pontiac_
Susan Laxton
your name, I think of him.
Just thought I'd tell ya. :-)
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Gregory A. Chance
there ever be a band that sounds similar.
Also, the "Christian equivalent of" simply sucks anyway. Why don't
Christians listen to bands with their own sound instead of soundalikes that
are poor carbon copies of their secular counterparts? It's that same old
thing where Christians always want the Christian this and the Christian
that...
Frank Peretti is the Christian Stephen King.
Third Day is the Christian Hootie and the Blowfish.
Jennifer Knapp is the Christian <insert any female secular artist here>
Petra was the Christian Boston
Petra was the Christian Def Leppard
Petra is the Christian equivalent of a kick in the crotch
Bottom line is this... there are very few really good original musicians in
Christian music. I could name a few, but that would be pointless, since
many of us refuse to listen to secular music. I listen to music.
I should also state that I listen to as few secular artists as I do
Christian artists. I'm very particular with the music I listen to, secular
or Christian. So I shall name off a few of my favorite Christian and
secular artists and let you listen to find out exactly what I am talking
about.
Christian: Daniel Amos, The Choir, Christine Glass, Mercy's Edge(please
email me about this one), Dogs of Peace('tis a shame they only had one
album)
Secular: Yes, ELP, King Crimson, Dire Straits, Dream Theater, Rush, Pink
Floyd
There will be no Christian equivalent of any of the secular bands I
mentioned, just like there will be no secular equivalent of the Christian
bands I mentioned.
In closing I would just like to say: use your brain. God gave it to you.
Praise God for that.
Greg
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Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
Gregory A. Chance <gch...@videogames.org> wrote:
>Third Day is the Christian Hootie and the Blowfish.
Grr. Third Day never set out to sound like Hootie and the Blowfish,
and whatever superficial similarities were ever there haven't been
present for a couple of albums now.
JRjr
David Murray (SG Fan)
Gregory A. Chance wrote in message ...
>Primus is one of a kind. There is no band that sounds similar, nor will
>there ever be a band that sounds similar.
>
>Also, the "Christian equivalent of" simply sucks anyway. Why don't
>Christians listen to bands with their own sound instead of soundalikes that
>are poor carbon copies of their secular counterparts? It's that same old
>thing where Christians always want the Christian this and the Christian
>that...
>
>Frank Peretti is the Christian Stephen King.
According to Christianity Today, Frank Peretti is the Christian John
Grisham. In fact, the article I read said he "beat Grisham at his own game"
or some such nonsense. Nevermind that Grisham can sustain interest all the
way thru a book.
>Jennifer Knapp is the Christian <insert any female secular artist here>
Whitney Houston? Dolly Parton?
>Petra was the Christian Boston
>Petra was the Christian Def Leppard
>Petra is the Christian equivalent of a kick in the crotch
HAHA! :o)
>Bottom line is this... there are very few really good original musicians in
>Christian music. I could name a few, but that would be pointless, since
>many of us refuse to listen to secular music. I listen to music.
What's more, there are very few really good original musicians in any style.
Some are original, but stink. Others are good, even very good, but sound a
lot like someone else. It's not a characteristic that's unique to Christian
music, nor would I agree that Christian music has a higher percentage of
mediocrity. On the other hand, I will concede that with a smaller pool of
artists, the extremes in quality aren't likely to be as broad.
>I should also state that I listen to as few secular artists as I do
>Christian artists. I'm very particular with the music I listen to, secular
>or Christian.
I expect you tend to agree with me on what I've said above, then.
I'm a bit different in that I listen to a lot of music all the time,
including stuff I would never buy for myself. But I find there are few
artists I keep coming back to for replays years down the road in either
secular or Christian.
David Bruce Murray / dbmu...@deletethis.rfci.net
http://rfci.net/dbmurray
http://www.musicscribe.com
Making hay while the sun shines.
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Third Day is the Christian Hootie and the Blowfish.
But I thought Hootie *was* Christian ...
Not that I believe everything CCM tells me, anyway ...
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two spies
"Jerry B. Ray, Jr." wrote:
>
> In article <20000417230506...@ng-fn1.aol.com>,
> Impactx2 <impa...@aol.comsadeeklb> wrote:
>
> >Anyone know of any Christian music similar to that of Primus?
>
> Yeah, there's plenty of Christian music that sucks. (But I can't think
> of any offhand that sucks in the same way as Primus.)
>
> JRjr, saw Primus open for Rush and was not impressed
Was that back in the early '90s? I remember some chick at my high
school going to see the two of them together. Primus did suck then,
except for "Jerry was a Race Car Driver."
Their latest album rules, with guests like Tom Morello (guitarist for
RATM), Stewart Copeland (The Police), and Tom Waits helping out, plus
others. Every track is an actual song instead of wanking off on the
bass. Go here for a review:
http://www.strangerthingsmag.com/aprilalbums.html#primus
And as for Christian stuff, there's Don't Know and Dog Baby, both of
which attempted Primus-sounding bass funkery and polluted the world of
music with their efforts (unless you have really low standards for what
you listen to).
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: According to Christianity Today, Frank Peretti is the Christian John
: Grisham. In fact, the article I read said he "beat Grisham at his own
: game" or some such nonsense.
Which article was *that*? You mean this one that ran last August?
http://www.christianityonline.com/ct/9T9/9T9070.html
There was an article a few years back where the reviewer, IIRC, criticized
Peretti's tendency to draw his characters in two dimensions. The review
began with a quote from Peretti to the effect that Grisham's characters
were "too grey". But I can't find it on CT's search engine.
: Nevermind that Grisham can sustain interest all the way thru a book.
In the interests of full disclosure, I've read only one book by each
author (Peretti's _This Present Darkness_, and I had to *force* myself to
get through most of it, and Grisham's _A Time to Kill_).
JAdanZZY
Very talented band. And I do agree with a statement mentioned earlier about
the carbon copying of christian bands. You guys have to admit there's no one
band that sticks out now as being original or creative in the christian scene.
I find no difference musically between Jars of Clay, Small Town Poets, and
Caedmon's Call. It's all just poppy alternative slightly folky rock music. I'm
still looking for a band that can have the potential to improvise that can
impress me. Judge me all you want but I love the Grateful Dead and Phish and
the underground jam band scene, but I also have this crazy obsession about jazz
and playing it too. Christian bands do have great lyrics and catchy songs but
nothing really sticks out as being wow, musically that is. I mean come on, why
can't christian bands play a little too?
Susan Laxton
label.
And they're fixin' to do a reunion... with Kerry, Paul Q-Pek, and the whole
gang. Well, that's the rumor, anyway.
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Gregory A. Chance <gch...@videogames.org> wrote in message
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> Primus is one of a kind. There is no band that sounds similar, nor will
> there ever be a band that sounds similar.
>
> Also, the "Christian equivalent of" simply sucks anyway. Why don't
> Christians listen to bands with their own sound instead of soundalikes
that
> are poor carbon copies of their secular counterparts? It's that same old
> thing where Christians always want the Christian this and the Christian
> that...
>
> Frank Peretti is the Christian Stephen King.
Actually, if _The Stand_ is any indication, Stephen King is the Christian
Stephen King. Tho I have noticed similarities, especially in Peretti's "The
Visitation" and "The Oath".
> Third Day is the Christian Hootie and the Blowfish.
> Jennifer Knapp is the Christian <insert any female secular artist here>
Never! Most if not all of the secular chick rockers pale in comparison to
Knapp, tho I do dig Alanis and Sarah McLachlan.
> Petra was the Christian Boston
> Petra was the Christian Def Leppard
> Petra is the Christian equivalent of a kick in the crotch
Ouch.
>
> Bottom line is this... there are very few really good original musicians
in
> Christian music. I could name a few, but that would be pointless, since
> many of us refuse to listen to secular music. I listen to music.
:snip>
> In closing I would just like to say: use your brain. God gave it to you.
> Praise God for that.
Amen...
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David Murray (SG Fan)
>On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, David Murray (SG Fan) wrote:
>: According to Christianity Today, Frank Peretti is the Christian John
>: Grisham. In fact, the article I read said he "beat Grisham at his own
>: game" or some such nonsense.
>
>Which article was *that*? You mean this one that ran last August?
>
>http://www.christianityonline.com/ct/9T9/9T9070.html
That's the one. It's by Susan Wise Bauer. I was a bit mistaken on my quote,
but not much. I was recalling the gist of the title which was "Peretti
Out-Grishams Grisham." To read a title like that, you'd think Peretti had
written a courtroom drama.
>There was an article a few years back where the reviewer, IIRC, criticized
>Peretti's tendency to draw his characters in two dimensions. The review
>began with a quote from Peretti to the effect that Grisham's characters
>were "too grey". But I can't find it on CT's search engine.
It isn't a quote by Peretti, but perhaps you're thinking of the end of the
same article where Bauer writes:
>>Unfortunately, Grisham’s good characters are stencils.
Rachel is unworldly, unselfish, and totally unbelievable.
The evildoers in Grisham’s novel are fascinating, but
the good characters are just plain boring.<<
I'm really not sure where Bauer's coming from on this. Perhaps the
missionary is fairly straight forward, but we're meeting her thru the eyes
of a recovering alcoholic who would be likely to place a missionary on a
sort of spiritual pedestal anyway. I found the portrayal very believeable.
Furthermore, Rachel isn't the only "good" character in _The Testament_.
There's also the preacher who gets Nate to help him remodel his church, and
I found him anything but boring. He reminded me of Jan Karon's Father Tim
from the Mitford books in the respect that he involved himself with Nate in
a common goal and let God work out the spiritual things in that situation.
Bauer also writes:
>>The Visitation, as a novel, is more successful than The
Testament: better at holding the reader’s attention, better
at suspense, and far, far better at dialogue and character
development. If Peretti can learn from Grisham how to
portray vice more convincingly, his next novel could be
the one that lands him on that front table at Barnes & Noble.<<
If _The Visitation_ sustains interest as she says (I haven't read it), it's
the first by Peretti to do so. Grisham, on the other hand, has only written
one dud in this respect, that being _The Street Lawyer_.
>: Nevermind that Grisham can sustain interest all the way thru a book.
>
>In the interests of full disclosure, I've read only one book by each
>author (Peretti's _This Present Darkness_, and I had to *force* myself to
>get through most of it, and Grisham's _A Time to Kill_).
And what are your thoughts on _A Time To Kill_ (which is Grisham's first
novel, incidentally) contrasted with _This Present Darkness_? I doubt
Grisham will go down in history alongside Mark Twain or William Faulkner,
but there is a good reason why he's a successful novelist who's already had
six major motion pictures made out of his works. He has interesting
characters and he tells interesting stories.
With the exception of _The Visitation_, I've read all the major novels by
Peretti (including _Tilly_) and every book has the same thing in common. He
gets off to a roaring good start, but the story itself fizzles about halfway
thru. At that point, I'm no longer reading to find out what happens. I'm
reading because I'm determined to finish what I started.
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: > http://www.christianityonline.com/ct/9T9/9T9070.html
:
: That's the one. . . . "Peretti Out-Grishams Grisham." To read a title
: like that, you'd think Peretti had written a courtroom drama.
Heh.
: > There was an article a few years back where the reviewer, IIRC,
: > criticized Peretti's tendency to draw his characters in two
: > dimensions. The review began with a quote from Peretti to the effect
: > that Grisham's characters were "too grey". But I can't find it on
: > CT's search engine.
:
: It isn't a quote by Peretti, but perhaps you're thinking of the end of
: the same article . . .
No, I'm thinking of an older article. The one you're looking at now ran
around the time I (finally) moved out of my parents' place, late last
August, but the one I'm thinking of ran when I was still living there; I
remember lounging around their living room when I came across the piece.
IIRC, the author of the piece complained that Peretti's heroes were like
John Wayne characters, virtuous to a fault, or something like that. (Of
course, if you watch a film like, say, _The Searchers_, you'll find that
John Wayne's characters definitely had their dark, complicated sides.)
: I'm really not sure where Bauer's coming from on this.
I haven't read the novel, so I couldn't say one way or the other.
: If _The Visitation_ sustains interest as she says (I haven't read it),
: it's the first by Peretti to do so.
I haven't read that one either, but you may be interested in a review by a
friend of mine, whose opinion I generally respect:
http://www.bcchristiannews.org/august99/peretti.html
Frank Peretti's creative talent comes of age in Visitation
By Ron Reed
FRANK PERETTI sells heaps of books. Depending on your point of view,
his supernatural thrillers are either badly written exercises in
paranoia or a spiritually perceptive impetus to intercessory prayer.
In Peretti's earlier work, such as the well-known This Present
Darkness, mundane day-to-day human experience is mostly just a
distraction from the real story of supernatural warfare between the
forces of Darkness and Light. In his latest book, however, it looks
like the author may have become tired of cranking out spiritual
pot-boilers. Maybe he figures it's time to deal a little less with the
supernatural, a little more with the spirit.
Travis Jordan is a former Pentecostal pastor who lives on his own and
no longer attends church. Ostracized by the local ministerial and
estranged from the enthusiastic young minister who has come to take
over his ministry, he is an outsider. When he hears news of unusual,
perhaps miraculous events, he is mostly just glad that he no longer has
to deal with such things.
Then he has a strangely stirring encounter with a young man cutting his
neighbor's lawn. This soft-spoken outsider is willing to stir up
feelings Jordan would rather leave buried, but he also extends a
compassion and understanding that sets the embittered pastor on a
journey toward reconciliation and healing.
As the signs and wonders continue, Jordan is increasingly confronted
with the possibility that Christ's second coming may be imminent -- in
fact, that Antioch, in Washington State, might be the new Bethlehem or
Nazareth. Who is this enigmatic young stranger?
Peretti does a marvellous job of placing the reader in the same
uncertain position as the central character. Is this an unexpected but
legitimate Second Coming, a sort of 'What if God Was One of Us'
incarnation? Or is it some sort of deception? And because those
questions aren't resolved too quickly or neatly, the very human
characters in the book must struggle with real questions about the
nature of discipleship and the cross, and how those realities are
interwoven with the undeniably supernatural elements of our faith.
Travis Jordan's spiritual journey leads him to consider many episodes
in his life; growing up through the '60s in a small Pentecostal church
in Seattle, experiencing the charismatic renewal as a high school
student in the early '70s in Puget Sound, seeking to follow the Lord's
leading through intense romances and high-wattage calls to the
ministry, a brush with one of the Southern California mega-churches,
the founding of a pioneering ministry in a Washington wheat town, the
struggles and small crucifixions that can come in ministry and
marriage.
Not only does this back story flesh out the very human character at the
centre of the novel, it also serves as a fictionalized but personal
account of some important events in the life of the church over these
past few decades. I recognized episodes in my own life, and was deeply
touched to see them rendered so faithfully and perceptively in fiction.
There are lots of novels about coming of age sexually: here is one
about coming of age spiritually.
For me, this element of the book is its great strength, and its great
surprise. With all respect to those who found This Present Darkness an
exhilarating read, perhaps a stimulus to prayer, I found it
embarrassingly inept. Cardboard characters, pot-boiler plot...
It was a theological thriller, but the thrills were cheap -- 'Angels
and demons duke it out in this best-seller!' -- and so was the
theology. It smacked of paranoia and conspiracy theories. It seemed
calculated to instil fearfulness and suspicion, with a strong element
of self-righteousness. The world was (quite literally) going to hell in
a humanist handbasket, and anyone who didn't recognize that was either
'of the Devil' or being duped by the Devil.
Peretti's first novel was A Warning: don't tolerate anything you don't
understand or agree with, because you might be serving The Enemy.
Characters in This Present Darkness divided far too easily into Good
Guys and Very Bad Guys, and the author seemed to imply that people in
the real world could be similarly divided.
The Visitation is so much more substantial and accomplished that it's
hard to believe this is the same writer. The fear-fueled human tendency
to exaggerate 'us and them' differences is shown to be part of what has
damaged the preacher and his ministry: a colleague who writes off the
local liberal pastor is reminded of the woman's evident compassion,
while a visiting evangelist is recognized as peddling a fairly toxic
brand of Old Time Religion: "'Hey Travis, come to the meetings. It'll
be good for what ails you' -- I could hear the message coming between
the lines: You need to come back to square one and do it all over
again, just do it harder."
Peretti, it seems, has lived through spiritual burn-out, has wrestled
with his own demons and emerged a more compassionate and human
Christian -- or, at least, a more gracious and nuanced writer.
There comes a point in the novel where the supernatural forces which
have been seething under the surface -- both Dark and Light -- come
very much to the fore. This is familiar Peretti territory, and the fact
that this passage doesn't work particularly well is testimony to his
success in establishing a very effective realism throughout the rest of
the book.
I enjoyed The Visitation. There is humor in this book as well as
insight. And there is grace, even for many of the 'bad guys': Peretti
is no longer willing to write characters off, and so the work seems
that much closer to the spirit of Christ. And for all the increased
sophistication of his writing, he hasn't lost the knack of keeping
those pages turning.
> > In the interests of full disclosure, I've read only one book by each
> > author (Peretti's _This Present Darkness_, and I had to *force* myself
> > to get through most of it, and Grisham's _A Time to Kill_).
>
> And what are your thoughts on _A Time To Kill_ (which is Grisham's first
> novel, incidentally) contrasted with _This Present Darkness_?
Well, Grisham didn't pretend to have the answers, for one thing. His book
(unlike the film on which it was based) basically created a scenario,
stirred stuff up, and left it to you to figure out what to make of it. I
like that sort of thing, provided it's done well, and ISTR liking the way
Grisham handled his material. _This Present Darkness_ struck me as a
little cheesy -- angels curing car engines with their swords, etc. -- and
it wasn't until I was in the last 50 to 100 pages that the book finally
picked up enough momentum to carry me along; until then, I was basically
forcing myself to read it, largely because so many people seemed to like
it and I wanted to get a sense of what all the fuss was about.
nerdrider
now everyone with your hand up: Stick IT!
not particularly helpful help has been gived for our poor ol friend impact
so far has it..... no, no indeed.
so why dont ya'll shutup if you dont have something more helpful to say.
Now, to you dj ... i dont know the answer to your question right this minute
but if i did i'd help and i might just find out.
M
nerdrider
There are plenty of christian musicians and bands that are great musically.
and there is plenty of originality too. you just have to look at danielson
and you find some of the most original music around. it may be crazy,
weird, squaky and a little hard to listen to at times but you cant say that
its not original.
snail
> why dont you shut up till you know what you are talking about.
Why don't you stop telling people to shut up ?
BassAngel
an out-front instrument, many don't appreciate innovative, excellent
playing, nor do they realize the difficulty level of what Les does - but I
wouldn't expect non-bass players to pick up on stuff like that. It's kind
of like the construction worker that's really good at running a back-hoe;
other back-hoe operators stand in awe, appreciating the skill with which the
machine was operated, while the population in general looks around and says,
"What?! He dug a hole!"
As far as the "Christian equivalent of", when a person finds a musical style
that they like, they seek out bands that play in that style. I don't think
people are asking, "Who is the Christian copycat of ...", I think they're
asking "what Christian bands play such-and-such style of music?" It's no
different than asking for similarities on the secular side. (Like Kraftwerk
and 808 State? Check out Grid. Does that mean Grid is a Kraftwerk copycat?
Nope. Means they play a basic style of music that I really like.) Being
that Christian music is completely unknown to the general populace, they
have to come in using some reference point from where to start their
exploration.
--
Peace,
Doug
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Gregory A. Chance <gch...@videogames.org> wrote in message
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> Primus is one of a kind. There is no band that sounds similar, nor will
> there ever be a band that sounds similar.
>
> Also, the "Christian equivalent of" simply sucks anyway. Why don't
> Christians listen to bands with their own sound instead of soundalikes
that
> are poor carbon copies of their secular counterparts? It's that same old
> thing where Christians always want the Christian this and the Christian
> that...
>
> Frank Peretti is the Christian Stephen King.
> Third Day is the Christian Hootie and the Blowfish.
> Jennifer Knapp is the Christian <insert any female secular artist here>
> Petra was the Christian Boston
> Petra was the Christian Def Leppard
> Petra is the Christian equivalent of a kick in the crotch
>
> Bottom line is this... there are very few really good original musicians
in
> Christian music. I could name a few, but that would be pointless, since
> many of us refuse to listen to secular music. I listen to music.
>
> I should also state that I listen to as few secular artists as I do
> Christian artists. I'm very particular with the music I listen to,
secular
> or Christian. So I shall name off a few of my favorite Christian and
> secular artists and let you listen to find out exactly what I am talking
> about.
>
> Christian: Daniel Amos, The Choir, Christine Glass, Mercy's Edge(please
> email me about this one), Dogs of Peace('tis a shame they only had one
> album)
>
> Secular: Yes, ELP, King Crimson, Dire Straits, Dream Theater, Rush, Pink
> Floyd
>
> There will be no Christian equivalent of any of the secular bands I
> mentioned, just like there will be no secular equivalent of the Christian
> bands I mentioned.
>
> In closing I would just like to say: use your brain. God gave it to you.
> Praise God for that.
>
> Greg
cs...@mail.tds.net
> In the interests of full disclosure, I've read only one book by each
> author (Peretti's _This Present Darkness_, and I had to *force* myself > to get through most of it, and Grisham's _A Time to Kill_).
I've read a few of both author's books and in this they are similar...
All of their books are essentially the same with different names for the
lead characters.
Chip
BTW- anyone see the Third Rock From the Sun where the family is trying
to be more "normal"... and there's a scene where they are all reading a
different Grisham novel? That was laugh out loud funny.
cs...@mail.tds.net
>
> nerdrider <surfer7@*sp*amstop*ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> > why dont you shut up till you know what you are talking about.
>
> Why don't you stop telling people to shut up ?
too easy.
Chip
snail
two spies <ca...@maui.net> wrote:
>"Jerry B. Ray, Jr." wrote:
>> Yeah, there's plenty of Christian music that sucks. (But I can't think
That I agree with...
>> of any offhand that sucks in the same way as Primus.)
That I don't. Primus rawk :-)
>> JRjr, saw Primus open for Rush and was not impressed
>Was that back in the early '90s? I remember some chick at my high
>school going to see the two of them together. Primus did suck then,
I think I saw them sometime around then IIRC, possibly mid-90s.
They went off. Others have commented on the awesome playing of
Les Claypool, but I just like 'em, cause I do :)
>Their latest album rules, with guests like Tom Morello (guitarist for
Not heard their latest yet, and just missed seeing them live; they
played in Sydney last weekend.
>Every track is an actual song instead of wanking off on the bass.
But what great wanking it is :)
>And as for Christian stuff, there's Don't Know and Dog Baby, both of
>which attempted Primus-sounding bass funkery and polluted the world of
Soundalike bands generally sound like copies at best. eg X-Sinner v
AC/DC.
David Murray (SG Fan)
Peter Thomas Chattaway wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, David Murray (SG Fan) wrote:
>: If _The Visitation_ sustains interest as she says (I haven't read it),
>: it's the first by Peretti to do so.
>
>I haven't read that one either, but you may be interested in a review by a
>friend of mine, whose opinion I generally respect:
>
> http://www.bcchristiannews.org/august99/peretti.html
Sigh! Now I may have to read it, but I'm still going to wait for the
paperback. If it's as bad as _The Oath_ . . .
I hope your buddy can be trusted. :o)
>> And what are your thoughts on _A Time To Kill_ (which is Grisham's first
>> novel, incidentally) contrasted with _This Present Darkness_?
>
>Well, Grisham didn't pretend to have the answers, for one thing. His book
>(unlike the film on which it was based) basically created a scenario,
>stirred stuff up, and left it to you to figure out what to make of it. I
>like that sort of thing, provided it's done well, and ISTR liking the way
>Grisham handled his material.
Yeah, I feel the same way. I think his writing has gotten a bit crisper in
recent novels, but I'm not so sure if that's a good thing. Still, his
characters do the things they do based on the circumstances they find
themselves in, not the other way around.
Jerry B. Ray, Jr.
>> JRjr, saw Primus open for Rush and was not impressed
>Was that back in the early '90s? I remember some chick at my high
>school going to see the two of them together. Primus did suck then,
>except for "Jerry was a Race Car Driver."
No, that one sucked, too. Sorry, but Primus just really, really rubbed
me the wrong way.
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Peter Thomas Chattaway wrote in message ...
: > : If _The Visitation_ sustains interest as she says (I haven't read
: > : it), it's the first by Peretti to do so.
: >
: > I haven't read that one either, but you may be interested in a review
: > by a friend of mine, whose opinion I generally respect . . .
:
: . . . I hope your buddy can be trusted. :o)
Well, he's no Christian-subculture patsy, if that's any help. :) But I
note that my friend did make some reference to the idea that Peretti's
books are *usually* page-turners, the only difference here is that the
book in question is more spiritually mature. So if Peretti's previous
books haven't sustained your interest, this one might not either.
: > Well, Grisham didn't pretend to have the answers, for one thing. His
: > book (unlike the film on which it was based) . . .
Arrrgh. I meant, of course, "(unlike the film which was based on it)".
two spies
"Jerry B. Ray, Jr." wrote:
>
> In article <38FCD635...@maui.net>, two spies <ca...@maui.net> wrote:
>
> >> JRjr, saw Primus open for Rush and was not impressed
>
> >Was that back in the early '90s? I remember some chick at my high
> >school going to see the two of them together. Primus did suck then,
> >except for "Jerry was a Race Car Driver."
>
> No, that one sucked, too. Sorry, but Primus just really, really rubbed
> me the wrong way.
Maybe because you drove too goddamn fast, and you didn't like them
pointing it out.
josh
;-)
Walter Benjamin GEAR
name of the bassist from DCTalk? Some of the bass-lines he comes up with
absolutely rock! (Case in point: most of the Jesus Freak album, particularly
Like It, Love It, Need It and In The Light.)
I had a look at their "Freak-show Tour" video, and I think he's the large
black dude (sorry about the description, I can't think of a PC way to say it.)
Anyway, I'd like to propose him (whatever his name is) as RMC's Christian
bass-gutarist of the Month.
>Les Claypool is highly regarded in the bass guitar arena. Since bass is not
>an out-front instrument, many don't appreciate innovative, excellent
>playing, nor do they realize the difficulty level of what Les does - but I
>wouldn't expect non-bass players to pick up on stuff like that. It's kind
>of like the construction worker that's really good at running a back-hoe;
>other back-hoe operators stand in awe, appreciating the skill with which the
>machine was operated, while the population in general looks around and says,
>"What?! He dug a hole!"
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Michael Martin
first two breakout "Darkness" novels...
When they first came out, it seemed like _everyone_ was raving
about them. It took me a year or two to finally get around to
reading them, but I did.
I was underwhelmed, to say the least. I appreciated his emphasis
on the need for prayer, and that there is a spiritual reality
around us, but the for the most part....ick. If I had a nickel
for every time a Peretti character says, "AWWWWW"......
Anyway, here's my theory: one of the reasons so many folks liked
them is because many of them were NOT regular readers. . .they
had no standard of comparison, no "in-shape reading muscles," if
you will.
The runaway success and resulting praise of Rush Limbaugh's two
books and the atrocious "Left Behind" series also work nicely
into this theory, especially since I heard so many people remark,
"I've never been a reader, but I loved your book!" to Limbaugh
(used to have a job driving all day, and it was entertainment)
and say similar things about the LB series (shudder).
Whaddya think?
--
Michael Martin
http://magisterium.go.cc
"Like the lights that light the night, we can turn them off,
and I can breathe in shadows." --grey eye glances, "The Me You
See"
The Joker
finish the second one it was so boring. Most christians don't read
"non-christian" works so, as you say, "evangelical" christians have no"
in-shape reading muscles" and don't know good literature. Peretti couldn't
make it as a "secular" author, so he started writing "christian" novels.
As far as Rush's books, those are just pop humor books and are written at
the same level as say, Tim Allen's first book (second one had some pretty
deep ideas) or Drew Carey's book, which were both very funny. People enjoy
an easy read like that, but you could use your arguement because alot of
"evangelical" christians bought his book.
As far as the left behind books, I havn't read them and doubt I will. I'm
sure it's interesting fiction, but I don't agree with Tim LaHaye's view of
the end of the world. I think the whole rapture idea is bullshit and
revelation is a book filled with symbolism and to try to say the the giant
bugs are an army helicopter is stupid.
While we're on the subject of bad writing, my wife and I just rented the
omega code and talk about a horrible screenplay. The screenwriter should at
least taken a screenwriting (I did in college) class before attempting to
write a screenplay. The money had some of the worst dialoge i've ever heard.
The story was very jumpy. Casper Van Dein must be desperate for work and
Michael York must have wanted to do something other than Austin Powers.
Michael Ironside played the same character he did in Total Recall (now THAt
was a GREAT film) And Hal Lindsey as a "biblical consultant"? He's end times
ideas are out there. Although, I will have to say it was better than that
piece of crap a thief in the night.
Michael Martin <magisterium...@xoommail.com> wrote in message
news:38ff441d$1...@rpc1284.daytonoh.ncr.com...
The Joker
>
> >Petra was the Christian Boston
> >Petra was the Christian Def Leppard
> >Petra is the Christian equivalent of a kick in the crotch
>
Petra has ripped off Def Leppard. Listen to one of the songs on Beyond
Belief. It's Pour Some Sugar On Me with christian Lyrics. And on the same CD
they ripped off KISS. One of the songs IS Heaven's On Fire. If I was KISS or
Def Leppard, I would have sued them for stealing their song. And don't
anyone say Kiss ripped of Petra with God Gave Rock And Roll to You because
both bands redid the song. It was originally performed by Argent.
BTW, you forgot about when John Schlitt first joing Petra and they called
them the Christian Journey.
Jason Steiner
>
> As far as Rush's books, those are just pop humor books and are
> written at the same level as say, Tim Allen's first book (second
> one had some pretty deep ideas) or Drew Carey's book, which were
> both very funny.
Um, most of Drew Carey's book was written at the same level as most
other celebrity books, but the last section, the section with his
original short stories... That was genius.
> While we're on the subject of bad writing, my wife and I just
> rented the omega code and talk about a horrible screenplay. The
> screenwriter should at least taken a screenwriting (I did in
> college) class before attempting to write a screenplay. The money
> had some of the worst dialoge i've ever heard. The story was very
> jumpy. Casper Van Dein must be desperate for work and Michael York
> must have wanted to do something other than Austin Powers. Michael
> Ironside played the same character he did in Total Recall (now THAt
> was a GREAT film) And Hal Lindsey as a "biblical consultant"? He's
> end times ideas are out there. Although, I will have to say it was
> better than that piece of crap a thief in the night.
_A Thief In the Night_ is a camp classic. I went to see _Omega Code_
on opening night, paid full price, and laughed my ass off, but in
the final analysis, it's just crap. It has no replay value.
jason
--
"Die verfluchte Hure, Vernunft."
Edwards556
at birth. Peretti's and Limbaughs books are popular for the same reason, they
both go against the popular literature in their prospective markets.
In a world dominated by Janette Oke and Jenette Oke wannabes, Peretti is a
breath of fresh air taking on issues that most other Christian authors are
afraid to talk about, non-fiction included.
I believe the same thing could be said for Rush Limbaugh and what he has
accomplished.
And what if they have never read anything. Something sparked their curiosity
about these books, and consequently they read them. We should all cheer that
some of these people actually read a book for the first time in their life.
And we should also be glad that it was one these. It could have been some
earth biscuit book written by our vice president.
Ed Rock
> Anyway, here's my theory: one of the reasons so many folks liked
> them is because many of them were NOT regular readers. . .they
> had no standard of comparison, no "in-shape reading muscles," if
> you will.
That may be... certainly if they had read Salinger, L'Engle, O'Conner,
Williams, and McCullers, they would have also been undewhelmed by the
Peretti stuff.
Ed Rock Crabtree http://ias.ga.unc.edu/~ecrab Church of Ed & Dave (NSAT)
"Life is a banquet, and most poor bastards are starving to death."
--Auntie Mame
Mattias G. Hembruch
Ed Rock <ec...@ias.ga.unc.edu> wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Michael Martin wrote:
>
>> Anyway, here's my theory: one of the reasons so many folks liked
>> them is because many of them were NOT regular readers. . .they
>> had no standard of comparison, no "in-shape reading muscles," if
>> you will.
>
>That may be... certainly if they had read Salinger, L'Engle, O'Conner,
>Williams, and McCullers, they would have also been undewhelmed by the
>Peretti stuff.
That probably explains why I was never that interested in reading Peretti..
I picked up "The Prophet" for cheap, and it's ok, but certainly didn't make
me want to read his other stuff really badly.
Could be worse though - he could be Roger Elwood..
Mattias
--
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BASc, MASc Electrical and Computer Engineering, to life than words.
Parallel & Distributed Systems Group L. Dettweiler
mghe...@dictator.uwaterloo.ca http://www.pads.uwaterloo.ca/~mghembru
Edwards556
easy read as wel,l due to the books that you mentioned you read. So what is
great fiction?
Also I would have to agree that Total Recall was an amusing film, but it was a
Arnold flick for crying out loud. If that is your idea of a great movie, your
screenwriting class did you no good.
Nathan
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: _A Thief In the Night_ is a camp classic.
Hear, hear.
: I went to see _Omega Code_ on opening night, paid full price, and
: laughed my ass off, but in the final analysis, it's just crap.
Just out of curiosity, how many people were laughing their asses off at
that one? Were you a lone heckler, or did it look like a fair portion of
the audience was there for the camp value? (It never came to Vancouver,
so I have no idea what sort of treatment it might have received here.)
Michael Martin
news:20000420162740...@nso-cu.news.cs.com...
> I think your ability to comprehend what a good book is and is
not was mutated
> at birth.
Yes, I know that a desire for subtle and realistic character
development, clever but honest dialogue and organic plotting is
_truly_ an oddity. *sigh*
>Peretti's and Limbaughs books are popular for the same reason,
they
> both go against the popular literature in their prospective
markets.
*cough*
Um, no. At the very least, not Peretti's. He simply took the
"hot" Christian topic of the time--spiritual warfare--and fired
off a couple of cheesy novels. And while Limbaugh's
theme/philosophy certainly wasn't the standard in secular
publishing, had a built-in audience who already agreed with him.
> In a world dominated by Janette Oke and Jenette Oke wannabes,
Peretti is a
> breath of fresh air taking on issues that most other Christian
authors are
> afraid to talk about, non-fiction included.
"Afraid of"?!?!? Oh yes, Christians have been cowering, refusing
to write books about abortion, spiritual realities and New Age
philosophies.
> I believe the same thing could be said for Rush Limbaugh and
what he has
> accomplished.
What exactly did he accomplish, other than raking in more dough?
> And what if they have never read anything. Something sparked
their curiosity
> about these books, and consequently they read them. We should
all cheer that
> some of these people actually read a book for the first time in
their life.
> And we should also be glad that it was one these. It could
have been some
> earth biscuit book written by our vice president.
Yes, I am glad they are reading. But are they reading things
that will truly sharpen their minds, shore up the foundations of
their faith, and build critical thinking skills?
As for it being better for them to be reading "Christian"
authors....well, we already have the ultimate Christian
Book--it's been around for roughly 1,900 years now. I personally
would rather read an excellently-written "secular" book than a
poorly-written "Christian" book.
The Joker
the typical Hollywood screenplay and it was interesting.
What's wrong with Arnold films?
Edwards556 <edwar...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20000420192722...@nso-cr.news.cs.com...
The Joker
> I think your ability to comprehend what a good book is and is not was
mutated
> at birth.
Uhh... no. Who likes what book is opinion, but how can you call something
that was written at a second grade reading level by an author who couldn't
make it in the "secular" book world good writing?
Peretti's and Limbaughs books are popular for the same reason, they
> both go against the popular literature in their prospective markets.
>
Peretti went against the "evangelical" christian market? I didn't know that.
Limbaugh's book went against conservitive republican literature? Thanks for
letting me know.
> In a world dominated by Janette Oke and Jenette Oke wannabes, Peretti is a
> breath of fresh air taking on issues that most other Christian authors are
> afraid to talk about, non-fiction included.
Have you look at the books in a christian book store lately?
> I believe the same thing could be said for Rush Limbaugh and what he has
> accomplished.
Read any books by William F Buckley or George F Will?
> And what if they have never read anything. Something sparked their
curiosity
> about these books, and consequently they read them.
1) The church is full of clones. Everybody in Chruch was taking about "what
a great look into spiritual warfare" and "evangelical" christians, most
being clones, had to act like lemmings.
2) Rush has a hugh radio audience
We should all cheer that
> some of these people actually read a book for the first time in their
life.
Yeah, they probable didn't read one in school. Unless it was a christian
school, where they only read "christian approved" authors. God forbid High
School students think for themselves. They're too young an impressionable.
The might "leave the faith, backslide" if they read something that "goes
against scripture" An god forbid they read poetry. The may become
homosexuals.
> And we should also be glad that it was one these.
Why? What's wrong with reading a book on the history of world religions?
It could have been some
> earth biscuit book written by our vice president.
I totally disagree w/ algore but, what's wrong with finding out what he
thinks?
Afraid of having your "faith challanged?"
>
>
Edwards556
<magisterium...@xoommail.com> writes:
>Yes, I am glad they are reading. But are they reading things
>that will truly sharpen their minds, shore up the foundations of
>their faith, and build critical thinking skills?
>
>As for it being better for them to be reading "Christian"
>authors....well, we already have the ultimate Christian
>Book--it's been around for roughly 1,900 years now. I personally
>would rather read an excellently-written "secular" book than a
>poorly-written "Christian" book.
>--
Again, give me some examples of what you think of as good books. Please tell
me the ones you have read not just heard about. Are there Christian books that
fit this catagory of being able to sharpen ones minds? Perhaps I should list
some books and see if you agree.
C.S. Lewis- Mere Christianity, Surprised by Joy, Perelandra.. (frankly any of
his will do).
Watchman Nee-Release of the Spirit
Francis Schaefer-How Should We Then Live
Nathan
Michael Martin
>
> Again, give me some examples of what you think of as good
books. Please tell
> me the ones you have read not just heard about.
Is that a not-so-subtle way of saying I don't read?!?!
OK, but for now will just list a few fiction novels (since the
discussion was talking about Peretti's fiction works).
The Killer Angels by Michael Shaara
Sherwood by Parke Godwin
The Memory, Sorrow and Thorn Trilogy by Tad Williams
just about any Spenser book by Robert B. Parker
Frankenstein by Mary Shelley
The Lord of the Rings by J R R Tolkien (whatever his faith, it
does _not_ qualify as the same category of contemporary
"Christian" fiction)
The Listof Seven by Mark Frost
The Alienist by Caleb Carr
The Stand by Stephen King
>Are there Christian books that
> fit this catagory of being able to sharpen ones minds? Perhaps
I should list
> some books and see if you agree.
>
> C.S. Lewis- Mere Christianity, Surprised by Joy, Perelandra..
(frankly any of
> his will do).
> Watchman Nee-Release of the Spirit
> Francis Schaefer-How Should We Then Live
Lewis, absolutely--instrumental in my early years as a Christian.
Haven't read Nee or Schaefer (I keep meaning to read them, but
haven't gotten around to it...). Others:
Peter Kreeft (just about anything by him)
John Fischer (ditto, but esp. his first two)
Philip Yancey
Dietrich Bonhoffer
Larry Crabb
That should do, for now. :-)
Peter Thomas Chattaway
: Again, give me some examples of what you think of as good books. . . .
: C.S. Lewis- Mere Christianity, Surprised by Joy, Perelandra.. (frankly
: any of his will do).
Lewis's novels are usually quite good (although I'd agree with J.I. Packer
who said _That Hideous Strength_ was "hideously long"), but beyond that,
things get more, uh, variable. His autobiographical stuff is pretty good
(I love _A Grief Observed_ and remember liking _Surprised by Joy_, though
it's been a while since I read that one), and _The Screwtape Letters_ is a
classic (though I have minor reservations about it), but his other works
are of somewhat questionable value. Lewis had a poor grasp of historical
research into the life of Jesus and his (willful?) ignorance in this field
cripples the liar-lord-lunatic argument he makes in _Mere Christianity_,
for example. I read _The Four Loves_ six years ago and didn't care for it
all that much. In _God in the Dock_, Lewis cites a Jane Austen novel to
argue that women should not be priests (Lewis's argument amounts to this:
if women were authorities in a church, it wouldn't *feel* like a church).
At his best, Lewis was a wonderful *illustrator* of Christian belief. But
he had a weakness for reducing controversial issues to overly simplified
formulae, to arguments that collapse with a little prodding. I'd let him
paint the walls of my church any day, but I'm not sure I'd want him to be
the architect who actually designed those walls in the first place.
Becky White
Martin" <magisterium...@xoommail.com> wrote:
[snipped lists of books and authors]
>Lewis, absolutely--instrumental in my early years as a
Christian.
>Haven't read Nee or Schaefer (I keep meaning to read them, but
>haven't gotten around to it...). Others:
Many people told me I'd like Francis Schaeffer, and they were
right. I'm about half through _How Should We Then Live_ and I
find its historical analysis quite interesting. The style is a
bit dry for casual reading, but the content is excellent.
>Peter Kreeft (just about anything by him)
I have his _Handbook of Christian Apologetics_ (co-written with
Ronald Tacelli). I find it to be logical and well-organized.
>John Fischer (ditto, but esp. his first two)
John Fischer is perhaps my favorite contemporary author. I
haven't read the Real Christians don't (x over don't) books yet,
but have found his more recent books incredibly interesting and
eye opening. _What On Earth Are We Doing_ is an excellent
critque of Christianity in America, and general thought as well.
The imagery in _On a Hill Too Far Away_ was very convicting yet
encouraging. (the full text is at
http://members.aol.com/XianBooks/Cross.title.html) John spoke
about concepts from both these books at Cornerstone last summer -
as a guest in the PRISM/ESA tent. And, of course - his "Consider
This" columns are pretty much my only reason to subscribe to
_CCM._
>Philip Yancey
Yet another we agree on. :-) I finished _The Jesus I Never
Knew_ yesterday. Very appropriate at the Easter season.
Becky
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Edwards556
>John Fischer (ditto, but esp. his first two)
>Philip Yancey
>Dietrich Bonhoffer
Must agree with these three wholeheartedly. BTW, there was no purposeful
insuation of you not reading.
Nathan
Edwards556
<jo...@joker.com> writes:
>Have you look at the books in a christian book store lately?
>
I worked as an assistant manager in one for four years.
>An god forbid they read poetry. The may become
homosexuals.
Huh? Never heard that one before. Personally I would be lost if I didn't have
some poetry in my life, namely Uncle Walt, Byron, and Shelley.
>Why? What's wrong with reading a book on the history of world religions?
Nothing at all, in fact just got done reading a few myself from a religous
thought class at a state run school.
>Afraid of having your "faith challanged?"
Uh..no. Just took a couple of classes that required me to read Plato, Kant,
and Des Cartes.
The Joker
> In article <YTYL4.889$4O2....@newshog.newsread.com>, "The Joker"
> <jo...@joker.com> writes:
>
> >Have you look at the books in a christian book store lately?
> >
>
> I worked as an assistant manager in one for four years.
>
I worked in a christian bookstore also. Spent lots of deqad time looking at
chirstians books that were full shit.
And you still say that peretti is a breath of fresh air? He's more like a
stale fart
> >An god forbid they read poetry. The may become
> homosexuals.
>
> Huh? Never heard that one before. Personally I would be lost if I didn't
have
> some poetry in my life, namely Uncle Walt, Byron, and Shelley.
>
You havn't? I've heard it from a number of christians from all different
types of "evangelical" churches. I personally think people that belive
poetry will turn someone gay are idoits.
> >Why? What's wrong with reading a book on the history of world religions?
>
> Nothing at all, in fact just got done reading a few myself from a religous
> thought class at a state run school.
>
> >Afraid of having your "faith challanged?"
>
> Uh..no. Just took a couple of classes that required me to read Plato,
Kant,
> and Des Cartes.
Well good for reading some philosophy. Why not read up on some of the other
world religions?
Edwards556
<jo...@joker.com> writes:
>You havn't? I've heard it from a number of christians from all different
>types of "evangelical" churches. I personally think people that belive
>poetry will turn someone gay are idoits.
>
>
>
Not quite sure what kind of Christians you hang out with, but my suggestion
would to run, run as far away as you can fast.
>Well good for reading some philosophy. Why not read up on some of the other
world religions?
What would you like me to read? The Koran, Confucious? What? Please tell me
oh wise one what books of world religion changed your life.
Nathan
McGovern
One could write poems about how manly it is to work on cars and have sex
with women... What would happen then... Would they be *really* messed up
and confused -- even more so than one who simply grows up homosexual in
a society that, for the most part, shuns it?
The reason I'd hate to be gay is not the part about being attracted to
men. I would hate it because of the crap I'd get from every direction. I
am only against rights for gay people if they get more rights than I do.
For the same reason, I don't believe married people should have any more
rights than single people - straight OR gay. Child-rearing is not a
gay-straight issue. It is a personal issue. I've seen straight couples
do a horrible job at raising kids, and gay people do a great job.
Susan Laxton
All that Psalm stuff is poetry, sometimes put to music. Sheesh.
. I
> am only against rights for gay people if they get more rights than I do.
That's one of the things I hate about the whole "family values" bandwagon.
Where does that leave single folks that are away from home? Widows and
widowers who never had children? Orphans, waiting for foster or adoptive
homes?
The Joker
> In article <znYM4.1767$4O2.1...@newshog.newsread.com>, "The Joker"
> <jo...@joker.com> writes:
>
> >You havn't? I've heard it from a number of christians from all different
> >types of "evangelical" churches. I personally think people that belive
> >poetry will turn someone gay are idoits.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Not quite sure what kind of Christians you hang out with, but my
suggestion
> would to run, run as far away as you can fast.
People I ran into in christian circles (I used to live near pat robertson's
world domination hq) and working at a christian bookstore. I don't hang out
with "evangelical" christains much at all anymore. I don't buy into it
"evangelical" christianity at all. I find it disturbing and a bastardized
version of what was described in acts. I was being sarcastic with the first
post "An god forbid they read poetry. The may become homosexuals."
> >Well good for reading some philosophy. Why not read up on some of the
other
> world religions?
>
> What would you like me to read? The Koran, Confucious? What? Please tell
me
> oh wise one what books of world religion changed your life.
It's good to know what other religions think. Then you don't sound like an
idoit when you talk about (or against, as is the case in "evangelical"
christianity) other religions.
The Joker
stupid as it sounds.
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>
> That's one of the things I hate about the whole "family values" bandwagon.
> Where does that leave single folks that are away from home?
There are many out in the "evangelical" christian world (the shepparding
movement, pdi churches) who believe that if a single woman is away from
home, then she needs to live with a family in that church so she can be
"under authority", in other words "a man's authority". I think that is total
bullshit and just another way to try to control people.
Widows and
> widowers who never had children? Orphans, waiting for foster or adoptive
> homes?
Good question
Edwards556
<jo...@joker.com> writes:
>Please tell
>me
>> oh wise one what books of world religion changed your life.
Sorry about this remark, hindsight shows that it is quite rude.
>It's good to know what other religions think. Then you don't sound like an
>idoit when you talk about (or against, as is the case in "evangelical"
>christianity) other religions.
I agree with you. I really do want to know what books you would reccomend
(sp?).
Nathan
Lynda Henrikso
Sounds like your faith has died
There is nothing worse in the world than being terrified to die when you are
about to do so
There are few things worse than being completely alone in pain and having no
one to turn to even if it is to yell and scream.
The Gift of Faith turns death into a joyous homecoming
The Gift of Faith gives you someone to talk to in your darkest despair
The Gift of Faith gives you the ability to ask God for help
How do you receive this gift
Ask and you will receive
Knock and the door will be opened
Jesus is holding it out to you
Where ever you are
All you have to do is to accept.
The Joker <jo...@joker.com> wrote in message
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>
> Edwards556 <edwar...@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:20000421230657...@nso-cu.news.cs.com...
> > In article <YTYL4.889$4O2....@newshog.newsread.com>, "The Joker"
> > <jo...@joker.com> writes:
> >
> > >Have you look at the books in a christian book store lately?
> > >
> >
> > I worked as an assistant manager in one for four years.
> >
>
> I worked in a christian bookstore also. Spent lots of deqad time looking
at
> chirstians books that were full shit.
>
> And you still say that peretti is a breath of fresh air? He's more like a
> stale fart
>
>
> > >An god forbid they read poetry. The may become
> > homosexuals.
> >
> > Huh? Never heard that one before. Personally I would be lost if I
didn't
> have
> > some poetry in my life, namely Uncle Walt, Byron, and Shelley.
> >
>
> You havn't? I've heard it from a number of christians from all different
> types of "evangelical" churches. I personally think people that belive
> poetry will turn someone gay are idoits.
>
>
> > >Why? What's wrong with reading a book on the history of world
religions?
> >
> > Nothing at all, in fact just got done reading a few myself from a
religous
> > thought class at a state run school.
> >
> > >Afraid of having your "faith challanged?"
> >
> > Uh..no. Just took a couple of classes that required me to read Plato,
> Kant,
> > and Des Cartes.
>
The Joker
Lynda Henrikso <lyndah...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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> Hey Joker
> Sounds like your faith has died
No, I have a much better understanding of God than I ever had AND I am at
peace with myself. Never had that peace when I was in "evangelical"
chirstian circles. It's alot of B.S. and clones who didn't want to learn
the truth, only what "evangelical" christianity claims is truth.
"evangelical" christianity is very limiting to spiritual growth, not to
mention personal growth.
There is nothing worse in the world than being terrified to die when you are
> about to do so
> There are few things worse than being completely alone in pain and having
no
> one to turn to even if it is to yell and scream.
So, what are you saying? Is this some kind of BS "prophecy"? Or are you
saying that I am going to Hell?
> The Gift of Faith turns death into a joyous homecoming
> The Gift of Faith gives you someone to talk to in your darkest despair
> The Gift of Faith gives you the ability to ask God for help
Really? It takes a gift of faith to ask God for help? You mean myself or
some else can't asked God for help with his allowing it to happen? Are you a
calvinist?
> How do you receive this gift
>
> Ask and you will receive
> Knock and the door will be opened
>
> Jesus is holding it out to you
> Where ever you are
> All you have to do is to accept.
Jesus is holding out this gift if faith? but you just said God gives the
gift to have the ability to ask for help? How does he give it and make you
ask for it at the same time? As I asked before, are you a calvinist?
Did you hear about the two "evangelical" christians who were walking down
the street? One was a penecostal and the other a calvinist. They both
triped. The penecostal thanked god that he wasn't hurt, the calvinist said
"thank god that's over with"
Jason Steiner
>
> The Gift of Faith turns death into a joyous homecoming
Please go home.
Ed Rock
> What would you like me to read? The Koran, Confucious? What? Please tell me
> oh wise one what books of world religion changed your life.
These aren't of world religions, but for life changing, I heartily
recommend:
The Catcher in the Rye--JD Salinger
Franny & Zooey--JD Salinger
The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat...--Oliver Saks
Stranger at the Gate--Mel White
Disappointment With God--Philip Yancey
Addicted to Mediocrity--Franky Schaeffer
Ed Rock
> I worked in a christian bookstore also. Spent lots of deqad time looking at
> chirstians books that were full shit.
And I thought I was the only one.
And man, the customers... especially the ones from Shirley Caesar's
Evanglistic Association...
But then there was Patsy Moore's mom... Her visits made the whole ordeal
somehow worth it. And would never have discovered Patsy's fabulous,
honest music otherwise...
Susan Anderson
: But then there was Patsy Moore's mom... Her visits made the whole ordeal
: somehow worth it. And would never have discovered Patsy's fabulous,
: honest music otherwise...
Patsy Moore. She's fantastic. My favorite, "The Flower Child's
Guide to Love and Fashion." I'm going to have to give that a spin
this weekend...it's wonderful "summer is here" music. I wonder what
she's doing these days...
Susan
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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"I'd pay $150 just to listen to
Margaret Becker gargle." - Rick Baldwin
The Joker
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>
> And I thought I was the only one.
>
Nope
> And man, the customers... especially the ones from Shirley Caesar's
> Evanglistic Association...
Try dealing with the pat robertson world hq wackos
>
> But then there was Patsy Moore's mom... Her visits made the whole ordeal
> somehow worth it. And would never have discovered Patsy's fabulous,
> honest music otherwise...
>
> Ed Rock Crabtree http://ias.ga.unc.edu/~ecrab Church of Ed & Dave (NSAT)
Ed Rock
> Ed Rock <ec...@ias.ga.unc.edu> wrote:
>
> : But then there was Patsy Moore's mom... Her visits made the whole ordeal
> : somehow worth it. And would never have discovered Patsy's fabulous,
> : honest music otherwise...
>
> Guide to Love and Fashion." I'm going to have to give that a spin
> this weekend...it's wonderful "summer is here" music. I wonder what
> she's doing these days...
Last time I saw her, she had just quit her job working for the world's
most fabulous movie store, VISART, and was doing a farewell show. She
rented an old theatre on the UNC campus and hired a simply flawless band.
It was a grand show. She was headed out to LA to pursue another music
venture. At that time, it seems her management was the same as that of
Mr. Mister and a few others. I can only remember the office was on
Ventura Blvd.
Prior to that, and after my hellacious stint with Family "Christian"
(Book, when I was there) Store, I used to run into her from time to time.
We talked about the Nashville scene, ArtHouse, and her favorite book,
Franny & Zooey. She really is a cool artist.
My favorites are "With Regard to This Human Condition" and the song about
standing in cool green waters or something like that--the song that closes
one of the discs.
*SIGH*
I wish she had recorded more.
Thewebchyk
>On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Susan Anderson wrote:
<snip>
Wow, thanks for bringing up Patsy Moore. I've got to dig out THE FLOWER
CHILD... and give it a spin.
If you hear anything new about her, Ed (or anyone else), please post it.
TIA.
Peace,
Rose
Ed Rock
I'll certainly do it. I hope anyone else who mihgt knwo something will do
so also.
I've considered calling all the Moores in the phone book... but that's
moore than I can do in one evening...
TroutHound
She rocks. Wasnt one of her CD's one of the last ones Jeff Pocarro ever
played on?
dt
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