Loyalists songs sound a lot like Republican songs...
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
I've downloaded a few Orange/Loyalist/Unionist songs to listen to...
... You know, the old "know your enemy" and all that....
So I'm listening to the "Battle of Garvagahy" as seen from their perspective...
And I listened to:
"My old man said be a Celtic Fan" - which is extremly pissing me off...
"I'd rather die young" - Blue notes?
"Fields of Ulster" - Glasgow Celtic.
"The Walls of Derry (Fuck the pope and the IRA)
Derry's Protestant Boys - Flute Band (Ironically, I enjoy listening to this as I
like bands and flute bands)
Glasgow Rangers - The Ian Paisley Rap (samples of the man intermixed with
sectarian songs)
Loyalists - Willie McBride (This is the normal song)
Garvaghy Road - another version by the loyalists
Loyalists (UDA) who shall separate us? Extreme pro-murder song.
Ok, having listened to these songs a few times - to try and get the words and to
see if I got to like them... I've a few observations....
1) Many of these songs are very like Republican songs, even down to the music
and the emotion and heart...
2) The few songs I found were more extreme in advocating murder (not like the
OLD pro-IRA songs of long ago, these songs are current and the last song I
mentioned advocates the murder of Adams and McGuinness in the lyrics...
3) We've often heard about the sectarian nature of some of the Celtic Football
Club chants/songs, but little about the Rangers songs/chants... So that's why I
began my search to find out if Rangers songs were sectarian... I kinda knew
they were, but wanted proof... Now I have it....
At the end of the day, I'm a lover of football (usa'ers read Soccer), and I love
Chelsea Football Club... I'm also a big fan of Celtic... I wanted to know
what Rangers fans were singing, and now I do...
I also have Glasgow Celtic singing "A soldiers song" and The Scottish National
Anthem played on the bagpipes...
If anyone wants any of the above mentioned mp3's (including the Loyalist ones -
I wouldn't mention then and then not make them available), email me and let me
know and I'll email them to you.
Ray
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An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
<rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>[Appropiate newsgroups added]
>
>I've downloaded a few Orange/Loyalist/Unionist songs to listen to...
>
>... You know, the old "know your enemy" and all that....
>
>So I'm listening to the "Battle of Garvagahy" as seen from their perspective...
>
>And I listened to:
>
>"My old man said be a Celtic Fan" - which is extremly pissing me off...
>
>"I'd rather die young" - Blue notes?
>
>"Fields of Ulster" - Glasgow Celtic.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Meant Glasgow Rangers
Now listenign to "give me a home with no pope, no rome" which again is pissing
off no end...
Listening to "Wake up Gerry" - a song telling Gerry Adams to "hang himself"...
Lovely!
Update:
When I downloaded Celtic Football songs (that is what I used to find them), I
didn't find half the vindictive, nasty lyrics... Fields of Athenry and such...
I still haven't found the "No surrender to the IRA" I once heard the Rangers
fans singing while watching a match on TV.... Can anyone help?
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
<rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>>[Appropiate newsgroups added]
>>
>>I've downloaded a few Orange/Loyalist/Unionist songs to listen to...
>>
>>... You know, the old "know your enemy" and all that....
>>
>>So I'm listening to the "Battle of Garvagahy" as seen from their perspective...
>>
>>And I listened to:
>>
>>"My old man said be a Celtic Fan" - which is extremly pissing me off...
>>
>>"I'd rather die young" - Blue notes?
>>
>>"Fields of Ulster" - Glasgow Celtic.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Meant Glasgow Rangers
>
>
>Now listenign to "give me a home with no pope, no rome" which again is pissing
>off no end...
>
>Listening to "Wake up Gerry" - a song telling Gerry Adams to "hang himself"...
>Lovely!
>
>Update:
>
>When I downloaded Celtic Football songs (that is what I used to find them), I
>didn't find half the vindictive, nasty lyrics... Fields of Athenry and such...
>
>I still haven't found the "No surrender to the IRA" I once heard the Rangers
>fans singing while watching a match on TV.... Can anyone help?
>
>Ray
Just listening to "the men behind the wire" from a Loyalist perspective...
You know, it's sad really... They are so like us, and we so like them...
Divided as we were by the Brits...
All Celts should unite!
A United Ireland will be to spit in the face of the British who divided us...
Who think of the celts and scots as second class citizens... Who fantasise they
they actualy matter in the modern world...
I would so much love to see a United Ireland... And for the life of me, I can't
understand why Unionists are against it... It's not if there is a UI they have
to leave or something! They will be welcomed into our Nation...
Why are Unionists so against a political re-adjustment of a map?
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
<rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
Oh feck it... I'm just listening to the "Gibraltar (Proud SAS)"
That does it... I'm totally pissed off!!! If I was at a concert with these
fuckers singing, I'd be the one arrested for throwing beer bottles at them!!!
I've come to this conclusion... The Loyalists and Rangers football club and
the majority of their fans are the most extreme racist and sectarian bastards
alive today... They would be welcome in the ranks of the KKK... This only
confirms what I believed before I begain my search....
So now I know... While many people accuse Celtic Football Club of "sectarian
chants", if the truth be known, the Rangers fans are the true owners of that
disgraceful badge of shame....
If anyone doubts my findings, listen to the songs, or read their lyrics...
You'll come around...
Ray
Irish, Republican, and Proud!
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
<rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
Just gets worse - "red hand commando" :(
Rangers Football Club should be ashamed! Disgraced and exposed as the Sectarian
propagators their club is... Of course... They secretly like being KKK
wannabees right?
And here was I thinking the rivalry between Chelsea and Arse* and ManU, not to
mention the Spurs was extreme... But compared to Rangers... Those rivalaries
are nothing...
And Rangers... Proud of your sectarian fans are you?
For shame!!!!!
Ray
Post Post Colonial Boy
<rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>[Appropiate newsgroups added]
>
>I've downloaded a few Orange/Loyalist/Unionist songs to listen to...
>
>... You know, the old "know your enemy" and all that....
>
>So I'm listening to the "Battle of Garvagahy" as seen from their perspective...
>
>And I listened to:
>
>"My old man said be a Celtic Fan" - which is extremly pissing me off...
>
>"I'd rather die young" - Blue notes?
>
>"Fields of Ulster" - Glasgow Celtic.
>
>"The Walls of Derry (Fuck the pope and the IRA)
>
>Derry's Protestant Boys - Flute Band (Ironically, I enjoy listening to this as I
>like bands and flute bands)
>
>Glasgow Rangers - The Ian Paisley Rap (samples of the man intermixed with
>sectarian songs)
>
>Loyalists - Willie McBride (This is the normal song)
>
>Garvaghy Road - another version by the loyalists
>
>Loyalists (UDA) who shall separate us? Extreme pro-murder song.
>
>
>
>Ok, having listened to these songs a few times - to try and get the words and to
>see if I got to like them... I've a few observations....
>
>1) Many of these songs are very like Republican songs, even down to the music
>and the emotion and heart...
The Loyalists copy the Republicans, as they understand it. Its weird,
its almost an off-hand compliment...
PPCB
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
YOu know, I suppose it is... But there may be more to it...
David H
<rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
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>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:44:24 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>Ok, having listened to these songs a few times - to try and get the words and to
>>>see if I got to like them... I've a few observations....
>>>
>>>1) Many of these songs are very like Republican songs, even down to the music
>>>and the emotion and heart...
>>
>>The Loyalists copy the Republicans, as they understand it. Its weird,
>>its almost an off-hand compliment...
>YOu know, I suppose it is... But there may be more to it...
Well done Ray. In a test of historical insight, I wouldn't know
whether to bet on you or Nik normally, but you are ahead on
this one.
The music will be, in most cases, considerably older
than any current set of lyrics. The music will probably pre-date
modern republicanism or loyalism, and will have been used
by a long string of factions, militias, gangs, ideologies and
organisations reaching into the past.
Some of the Orange lyrics may well be among the very oldest
versions still in use today.
In your own posts of recent weeks, you have posted very
modern republican lyrics - specific to the troubles of recent
years - that same music will be recycled into the future too.
David
--
abend
Post Post Colonial Boy
wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:54:25 GMT, "An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>[football groups cut from the post]
>
>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:44:24 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
>><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>>><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>>>>Ok, having listened to these songs a few times - to try and get the words and to
>>>>see if I got to like them... I've a few observations....
>>>>
>>>>1) Many of these songs are very like Republican songs, even down to the music
>>>>and the emotion and heart...
>>>
>>>The Loyalists copy the Republicans, as they understand it. Its weird,
>>>its almost an off-hand compliment...
>
>>YOu know, I suppose it is... But there may be more to it...
>
>Well done Ray. In a test of historical insight, I wouldn't know
>whether to bet on you or Nik normally, but you are ahead on
>this one.
There are some important points of difference, of course, but often I
detect an almost apish mirroring of behaviour/statements/style by
Loyalists.
>The music will be, in most cases, considerably older
>than any current set of lyrics. The music will probably pre-date
>modern republicanism or loyalism, and will have been used
>by a long string of factions, militias, gangs, ideologies and
>organisations reaching into the past.
<pointless vacuous comment>
>Some of the Orange lyrics may well be among the very oldest
>versions still in use today.
</pointless vacuous comment>
They "may" not be either...
>In your own posts of recent weeks, you have posted very
>modern republican lyrics - specific to the troubles of recent
>years - that same music will be recycled into the future too.
>
>David
There are also much older Irish Nationalist songs as well...dating
back to 1798 and before...you already know that though...don't let
facts get in the way of a good ole ad hominem though eh?
Have a nice day
PPCB
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dap...@indigo.ie
<repub...@email.com> wrote:
Celtic/Rangers extremeists would be two sides of the same coin, just
as are those who follow Loyalist/Republican extremists .
In most cases these groups have "drug trades and protection rackets "
to protect. never forget no matter where you go in the world the
majority of people just want to live their lives in peace.
In reply to an earlier poster ther is NO DOUBT that the British
would be gone from Northern Ireland in the morning if they could, but
memories of countries pulling out over night from Africa and other
places caused bloodbaths
dave
Ireland
David H
<repub...@email.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:16:55 GMT, swe...@btinternet.com (David H)
>wrote:
>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:54:25 GMT, "An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>[football groups cut from the post]
>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:44:24 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
>>><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>>>><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>Ok, having listened to these songs a few times - to try and get the words and to
>>>>>see if I got to like them... I've a few observations....
>>>>>1) Many of these songs are very like Republican songs, even down to the music
>>>>>and the emotion and heart...
>>>>The Loyalists copy the Republicans, as they understand it. Its weird,
>>>>its almost an off-hand compliment...
>>>YOu know, I suppose it is... But there may be more to it...
>>Well done Ray. In a test of historical insight, I wouldn't know
>>whether to bet on you or Nik normally, but you are ahead on
>>this one.
>There are some important points of difference, of course, but often I
>detect an almost apish mirroring of behaviour/statements/style by
>Loyalists.
How can you tell which came first? Have you tracked a
representative set of tunes and lyrics back through history?
>>The music will be, in most cases, considerably older
>>than any current set of lyrics. The music will probably pre-date
>>modern republicanism or loyalism, and will have been used
>>by a long string of factions, militias, gangs, ideologies and
>>organisations reaching into the past.
><pointless vacuous comment>
>>Some of the Orange lyrics may well be among the very oldest
>>versions still in use today.
></pointless vacuous comment>
>They "may" not be either...
I was thinking of Lillibulero, for instance, if you must have
specifics.
>>In your own posts of recent weeks, you have posted very
>>modern republican lyrics - specific to the troubles of recent
>>years - that same music will be recycled into the future too.
>There are also much older Irish Nationalist songs as well...dating
>back to 1798 and before...you already know that though...don't let
>facts get in the way of a good ole ad hominem though eh?
Well, what I saw was that Ray had posted a message that
potentially opened up into a a discussion of society, culture,
and a shared Irish heritage. Have you any idea how rare
that sort of thing is here in soc.culture.irish ?
And your response? You closed him down with an
immediate bit of kneejerk prejudice. You know how
vulnerable he is to that sort of thing. You were acting
as Ray's Nurse Ratchet.
David
--
abend
Post Post Colonial Boy
>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:28:22 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:16:55 GMT, swe...@btinternet.com (David H)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:54:25 GMT, "An Mac TÃre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>>><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>
>>>[football groups cut from the post]
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:44:24 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
>>>><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac TÃre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
Often the same people...I'm wondering at the value of your
comparison...
> In most cases these groups have "drug trades and protection rackets "
Can you provide evidence of this with respect to the Provisional IRA
please? If you can't then admit it and retract your allegation.
>to protect. never forget no matter where you go in the world the
>majority of people just want to live their lives in peace.
Fair enough...
> In reply to an earlier poster ther is NO DOUBT that the British
>would be gone from Northern Ireland in the morning if they could, but
>memories of countries pulling out over night from Africa and other
>places caused bloodbaths
They should've pulled out of all of Ireland in 1922...we wouldn't have
had the problems we've had for the last 40 years...
PPCB
Post Post Colonial Boy
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:28:22 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:16:55 GMT, swe...@btinternet.com (David H)
>>wrote:
>
>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:54:25 GMT, "An Mac TÃre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>>><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>>>[football groups cut from the post]
>
>>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:44:24 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
>>>><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac TÃre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>>>>><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>>>>>>Ok, having listened to these songs a few times - to try and get the words and to
>>>>>>see if I got to like them... I've a few observations....
>
>>>>>>1) Many of these songs are very like Republican songs, even down to the music
>>>>>>and the emotion and heart...
>
>>>>>The Loyalists copy the Republicans, as they understand it. Its weird,
>>>>>its almost an off-hand compliment...
>
>>>>YOu know, I suppose it is... But there may be more to it...
>
>>>Well done Ray. In a test of historical insight, I wouldn't know
>>>whether to bet on you or Nik normally, but you are ahead on
>>>this one.
>
>>There are some important points of difference, of course, but often I
>>detect an almost apish mirroring of behaviour/statements/style by
>>Loyalists.
>
>How can you tell which came first?
Some of them are tied to particular historical events, e.g. "The
Rising of the Moon" is from the 1798 United Irishmen rebellion...
>Have you tracked a
>representative set of tunes and lyrics back through history?
Have you?
>>>The music will be, in most cases, considerably older
>>>than any current set of lyrics. The music will probably pre-date
>>>modern republicanism or loyalism, and will have been used
>>>by a long string of factions, militias, gangs, ideologies and
>>>organisations reaching into the past.
>
>><pointless vacuous comment>
>>>Some of the Orange lyrics may well be among the very oldest
>>>versions still in use today.
>></pointless vacuous comment>
>
>>They "may" not be either...
>
>I was thinking of Lillibulero, for instance, if you must have
>specifics.
Tell me more, I'm not familiar with the reference.
>>>In your own posts of recent weeks, you have posted very
>>>modern republican lyrics - specific to the troubles of recent
>>>years - that same music will be recycled into the future too.
>
>>There are also much older Irish Nationalist songs as well...dating
>>back to 1798 and before...you already know that though...don't let
>>facts get in the way of a good ole ad hominem though eh?
>
>Well, what I saw was that Ray had posted a message that
>potentially opened up into a a discussion of society, culture,
>and a shared Irish heritage. Have you any idea how rare
>that sort of thing is here in soc.culture.irish ?
You already know the answer to that question.
>And your response? You closed him down with an
>immediate bit of kneejerk prejudice.
Did not.
> You know how
>vulnerable he is to that sort of thing. You were acting
>as Ray's Nurse Ratchet.
<cough>horseshit</cough>
PPCB
Clydeside Red
"An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) @iol.ie>" <rayh(removespamblocker> wrote in
message news:ktlij1hfbis2m09o7...@4ax.com...
They certainly are, but there seems to be a move afoot to come out with more
non sectarian songs, like "every other Saturday" There's a verions of
"Glory, Glory Galsgow Rangers" that says the Glasgow Celtic are "sure a
mighty team". Every Proddy kid in my neighbourhood, male or female knew the
words to "Billy Boys" beofre they were 3.
I don't get the point of the chant that says "no-one likes us we don't
care". I do like the one that says "we hate coca cola, we hate pepsi too,
we're the tartan army, we drink irn bru.
Clydeside Red
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
> <rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>>[Appropiate newsgroups added]
>>
>>I've downloaded a few Orange/Loyalist/Unionist songs to listen to...
>>
>>... You know, the old "know your enemy" and all that....
>>
>>So I'm listening to the "Battle of Garvagahy" as seen from their
>>perspective...
>>
>>And I listened to:
>>
>>"My old man said be a Celtic Fan" - which is extremly pissing me off...
>>
>>"I'd rather die young" - Blue notes?
>>
>>"Fields of Ulster" - Glasgow Celtic.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Meant Glasgow Rangers
>
>
> Now listenign to "give me a home with no pope, no rome" which again is
> pissing
> off no end...
I find that one funny. Have you heard "Larkhall Stereo"? That is funny,
and there is a similar rebel song, which is just as funny
>
> Listening to "Wake up Gerry" - a song telling Gerry Adams to "hang
> himself"...
> Lovely!
There are some really horrible songs about him and Martin. Have you heard
Double Dealing Fenians? Has a catchy tune.
dap...@indigo.ie
<repub...@email.com> wrote:
>
Firstly i take it you do not live in Ireland or you would already know
the answer s to the points you raise.,
How you can say that Celtic/Rangers extremist or republican extreme
ist are "often the same people", I do not know.(BTW those type of
football songs are not confined to Glasgow.Some Manchester City
"fans" still sing about the Munich aircrash which wiped out most of
the Manchester United team in the 50's
>> In most cases these groups have "drug trades and protection rackets "
>
>Can you provide evidence of this with respect to the Provisional IRA
>please? If you can't then admit it and retract your allegation.
>
I refer you to virtually any speech made on the subject by the Irish
Justice minister. There is also the fact that the Current Irish
goverment, (Fianna Fail/ PD's) will not enter goverment with sinn
Fein/IRA next time around although it could well be a "hung" Dail
(Parliment)
>
>Fair enough...
>
>> In reply to an earlier poster ther is NO DOUBT that the British
>>would be gone from Northern Ireland in the morning if they could, but
>>memories of countries pulling out over night from Africa and other
>>places caused bloodbaths
>
>They should've pulled out of all of Ireland in 1922...we wouldn't have
>had the problems we've had for the last 40 years...
very possibly although the bloodletting would have started immediately
Dave
Ireland
Adam Whyte-Settlar
<dap...@indigo.ie> wrote in message news:433bc31...@news.indigo.ie...
> Some Manchester City
> "fans" still sing about the Munich aircrash which wiped out most of
> the Manchester United team in the 50's
Fantastic!
I've always been a bit of a proxy 'City' fan - I admired the way they still
attracted gates of 20K+ even when they were in the old '3rd Division' back
in th 80's, but to hear they have a derogatory terracing song about
something that happened to Man U nearly half a century ago engenders within
me the utmost respect.
Long may such anti Man U bigotry prevail!
Same goes for any song regarding those disgusting blue-nosed proddy Rangers
bastards - fuck them all to hell.
A W-S
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
wrote:
>"An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) @iol.ie>" <rayh(removespamblocker> wrote in
>message news:cnmij159o5vls16bt...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>> <rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>
>>>[Appropiate newsgroups added]
>>>
>>>I've downloaded a few Orange/Loyalist/Unionist songs to listen to...
>>>
>>>... You know, the old "know your enemy" and all that....
>>>
>>>So I'm listening to the "Battle of Garvagahy" as seen from their
>>>perspective...
>>>
>>>And I listened to:
>>>
>>>"My old man said be a Celtic Fan" - which is extremly pissing me off...
>>>
>>>"I'd rather die young" - Blue notes?
>>>
>>>"Fields of Ulster" - Glasgow Celtic.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Meant Glasgow Rangers
>>
>>
>> Now listenign to "give me a home with no pope, no rome" which again is
>> pissing
>> off no end...
>
>I find that one funny. Have you heard "Larkhall Stereo"? That is funny,
>and there is a similar rebel song, which is just as funny
Is that the one about some fella breaking a window and stealing the record
player?
>>
>> Listening to "Wake up Gerry" - a song telling Gerry Adams to "hang
>> himself"...
>> Lovely!
>
>There are some really horrible songs about him and Martin. Have you heard
>Double Dealing Fenians? Has a catchy tune.
>>
Not heard this one, I've only managed to find a few songs...
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
wrote:
>
Where can I find the words to "Billy Boys"?
There are some great chants to be heard at football matches! :-)
Post Post Colonial Boy
>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:47:48 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:08:25 GMT, dap...@indigo.ie wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:28:22 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
>>><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:16:55 GMT, swe...@btinternet.com (David H)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:54:25 GMT, "An Mac TÃÂre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
>>>>><rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>[football groups cut from the post]
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:44:24 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
>>>>>><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:41:58 GMT, "An Mac TÃÂre Bán; (Whitewolf)"
I have lived in Ireland and have purchased, in past, the magazine
"Tiocfaidh ar La" the Republican Celtic Supporters magazine...I am
*well* aware of the connection. Furthermore I note, that last year,
iirc, the sale of Paramilitary materials/items was banned outside
Ibrox and Celtic Park...
> How you can say that Celtic/Rangers extremist or republican extreme
>ist are "often the same people", I do not know.
<laughter>
>(BTW those type of
>football songs are not confined to Glasgow.Some Manchester City
>"fans" still sing about the Munich aircrash which wiped out most of
>the Manchester United team in the 50's
Yeah so?
>>> In most cases these groups have "drug trades and protection rackets "
>>
>>Can you provide evidence of this with respect to the Provisional IRA
>>please? If you can't then admit it and retract your allegation.
>
>I refer you to virtually any speech made on the subject by the Irish
>Justice minister.
McDowell is a liar....if he's so 'in the know about the truth' why
hasn't he presented the information that leads him to believe that it
was indeed the Provos who did the Northern Bank Heist...
Referring to McDowell as your source of information doesn't do your
argument any good at all...
> There is also the fact that the Current Irish
>goverment, (Fianna Fail/ PD's) will not enter goverment with sinn
>Fein/IRA next time around although it could well be a "hung" Dail
>(Parliment)
Bertie has been saying, regarding that matter, for the last few years
that he would not go into coalition with Sinn Fein *IF* the IRA were
still militarily active...plainly that condition has now expired...
I would submit to you that it is the PD's and NOT FF that would refuse
to go into coalition with Sinn Fein...
remember, after all, where Fianna Fail come from.
>>Fair enough...
>>
>>> In reply to an earlier poster ther is NO DOUBT that the British
>>>would be gone from Northern Ireland in the morning if they could, but
>>>memories of countries pulling out over night from Africa and other
>>>places caused bloodbaths
>>
>>They should've pulled out of all of Ireland in 1922...we wouldn't have
>>had the problems we've had for the last 40 years...
>
>very possibly although the bloodletting would have started immediately
In case you missed it...the bloodletting was already going on...
Perhaps the British should never have invaded Ireland in the first
place eh?
David H
<repub...@email.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:22:18 GMT, swe...@btinternet.com (David H)
>wrote:
>>I was thinking of Lillibulero, for instance, if you must have
>>specifics.
>Tell me more, I'm not familiar with the reference.
It was the theme song for the Glorious Revolution.
And incidentally, also the regimental march for my
grandad's unit in WW2
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2864/march.html
David
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An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
Am I missing something here?
Lyrics from the site you quoted
===
Ho! by my soul, it is de Talbot,
And he will cut all de English throat.
===
Your granddad fought on the allies side I take it, so what gives?
David H
<rayh(removespamblocker>@iol.ie> wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:29:52 GMT, swe...@btinternet.com (David H) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:49:55 +1200, Post Post Colonial Boy
>><repub...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:22:18 GMT, swe...@btinternet.com (David H)
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>I was thinking of Lillibulero, for instance, if you must have
>>>>specifics.
>>
>>>Tell me more, I'm not familiar with the reference.
>>
>>It was the theme song for the Glorious Revolution.
>>
>>And incidentally, also the regimental march for my
>>grandad's unit in WW2
>>
>>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2864/march.html
>>
>>David
>
>Am I missing something here?
>
>Lyrics from the site you quoted
>===
>Ho! by my soul, it is de Talbot,
>And he will cut all de English throat.
>===
>Your granddad fought on the allies side I take it, so what gives?
It's a comic song. They were taking the piss:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Talbot,_1st_Earl_of_Tyrconnel
William's armies were presumably quite pleased that Talbot
was failing in his presumed ambitions.
As for it being the regimental march for the REME, I suppose
it might be a good march for a light infantry regiment, but
the REME was - um - mechanical, let's say. Maybe Lillibulero
sounds like an engine? I doubt the words saw much use
on ceremonial occasions, but you never know, with the REME.
David
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An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
Ok, got you now... (as in understand, not trapped you)
>As for it being the regimental march for the REME, I suppose
>it might be a good march for a light infantry regiment, but
>the REME was - um - mechanical, let's say. Maybe Lillibulero
>sounds like an engine? I doubt the words saw much use
>on ceremonial occasions, but you never know, with the REME.
>
>David
:-)
Did you ever wonder whether what you read on wikipedia is true as it seems that
anyone can just change the text... <wondering>
Ray
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A group of men with determination caught an empire by surprise
Through the streets our men were marching
They rallied with their hopes and fears
And the End the boys came searching for their leader Padraig Pearse
The poet and the Irish rebel a Gaelic scholar and a visionary
We gave to him no fitting tribute
When Ireland's at peace only that can be
When Ireland a nation, united and free!
PADRAIG PEARSE - Brian Warfield (Wolfe Tones)
Ex_OWM
> Did you ever wonder whether what you read on wikipedia is true as it seems
> that
> anyone can just change the text... <wondering>
When reading stuff on wikipedia, you should always look at the 'Discussion'
and 'History' pages to see what other people have said.
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
I've decided to just avoid it...
Ex_OWM
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:34:39 +0100, "Ex_OWM" <allthesp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) @iol.ie>" <rayh(removespamblocker> wrote in
>>message news:c4h7k1tbja5do6i12...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Did you ever wonder whether what you read on wikipedia is true as it
>>> seems
>>> that
>>> anyone can just change the text... <wondering>
>>
>>When reading stuff on wikipedia, you should always look at the
>>'Discussion'
>>and 'History' pages to see what other people have said.
>>
>
> I've decided to just avoid it...
It has its uses - as long as you take into account its limitations.
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
>
>"An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) @iol.ie>" <rayh(removespamblocker> wrote in
>message news:9uq7k1pld8lnj6ncs...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:34:39 +0100, "Ex_OWM" <allthesp...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) @iol.ie>" <rayh(removespamblocker> wrote in
>>>message news:c4h7k1tbja5do6i12...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> Did you ever wonder whether what you read on wikipedia is true as it
>>>> seems
>>>> that
>>>> anyone can just change the text... <wondering>
>>>
>>>When reading stuff on wikipedia, you should always look at the
>>>'Discussion'
>>>and 'History' pages to see what other people have said.
>>>
>>
>> I've decided to just avoid it...
>
>It has its uses - as long as you take into account its limitations.
>
It's no use as a serious source of any information...
Clydeside Red
From my memory....
Hullo! Hullo! We Are the Billy Boys!
Hullo! Hullo! Ye'll know us by our noise!
We're up to wir knees in fenian blood,
Surrender or ye'll die,
For we are the Brigton Billy Boys!
Fuck the Pope
>
> There are some great chants to be heard at football matches! :-)
>
> Ray
And at protests, demo's etc. You should google the "Raging Grannies", and
awesome group of Canadian women, and maybe found a group of Raging Irish
grannies. I'm sure a nice Orish boyo like you could round up some grannies.
I think of you as a Dudley Doright kinda character, even if you do have the
wrong colour hair. If ye arent familiar with Dudley, ye'll have to google
him, he's Canadian too. I must confess that when I think of you, I think of
reworking the Roger Ramjet theme song to a Ray song. So ther you have my
image of you, a conflation of Roger and Dudley. ( definately do not mean
that in an unkind way).
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
wrote:
What's the air?
>>
>> There are some great chants to be heard at football matches! :-)
>>
>> Ray
>
>And at protests, demo's etc. You should google the "Raging Grannies", and
>awesome group of Canadian women, and maybe found a group of Raging Irish
>grannies. I'm sure a nice Orish boyo like you could round up some grannies.
>I think of you as a Dudley Doright kinda character, even if you do have the
>wrong colour hair. If ye arent familiar with Dudley, ye'll have to google
>him, he's Canadian too.
I'm familiar with him and enjoyed his cartoons... I never heard of him until I
came to America though... I wouldn't go see that film they made of him... The
trailers put me off... Just as I won't see the "new" Charlie and the chocolate
factory" travesty... or... Basically I hate poorly done rehashes of classics...
> I must confess that when I think of you, I think of
>reworking the Roger Ramjet theme song to a Ray song. So ther you have my
>image of you, a conflation of Roger and Dudley. ( definately do not mean
>that in an unkind way).
>
LOL!!! If you do rework the song, go ahead and post it, I'm game! :-)
Ray
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In Dublin town in nineteen sixteen a flame of freedom did arise
A group of men with determination caught an empire by surprise
Through the streets our men were marching
They rallied with their hopes and fears
And the End the boys came searching for their leader Padraig Pearse
The poet and the Irish rebel a Gaelic scholar and a visionary
We gave to him no fitting tribute
When Ireland's at peace only that can be
When Ireland a nation, united and free!
PADRAIG PEARSE - Brian Warfield (Wolfe Tones)
Clydeside Red
Yep, I heard a rebel response to it to, I forget the name, but it was really
funny as well.
>
>>>
>>> Listening to "Wake up Gerry" - a song telling Gerry Adams to "hang
>>> himself"...
>>> Lovely!
>>
>>There are some really horrible songs about him and Martin. Have you heard
>>Double Dealing Fenians? Has a catchy tune.
>>>
>
> Not heard this one, I've only managed to find a few songs...
Are you searching limewire? Most of the songs listed as "Glasgow Rangers"
are not Rangers songs, or football songs at all, but Orange songs
>
>>> Update:
>>>
>>> When I downloaded Celtic Football songs (that is what I used to find
>>> them), I
>>> didn't find half the vindictive, nasty lyrics... Fields of Athenry and
>>> such...
>>>
>>> I still haven't found the "No surrender to the IRA" I once heard the
>>> Rangers
>>> fans singing while watching a match on TV.... Can anyone help?
>
Are you sure it was a Rangers match? That is an *nglish chant
Give me St George in my heart, keep me *nglish
Give me St George in my heart, I say
Give me St George in my heart, keep me *nglish
Keep me *nglish to my dying day
No Surrender
No Surrender
No Surrender to the IRA -scum
Clydeside Red
Marching to Glory, or Marching to Georgia or something like that. The Billy
Boys were the gang named after it's thug/hooligan/fascist/scab founder Billy
Fullerton. He had a bloody rivalry with another gang from a Catholic
neighbourhood, but sectarianism was probably secondary to all his other
prejudices. I seem to remember hearing or reading that he tried to start a
Glasgow chapter of the KKK. IIRC he was a card carrying fascist, and was a
strikebreaker to boot.
>
>>>
>>> There are some great chants to be heard at football matches! :-)
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>>And at protests, demo's etc. You should google the "Raging Grannies", and
>>awesome group of Canadian women, and maybe found a group of Raging Irish
>>grannies. I'm sure a nice Orish boyo like you could round up some
>>grannies.
>>I think of you as a Dudley Doright kinda character, even if you do have
>>the
>>wrong colour hair. If ye arent familiar with Dudley, ye'll have to google
>>him, he's Canadian too.
>
> I'm familiar with him and enjoyed his cartoons... I never heard of him
> until I
> came to America though... I wouldn't go see that film they made of
> him... The
> trailers put me off... Just as I won't see the "new" Charlie and the
> chocolate
> factory" travesty... or... Basically I hate poorly done rehashes of
> classics...
Not to mention that most animated characters should stay that way, Batman
maybe the one exception.
>
>> I must confess that when I think of you, I think of
>>reworking the Roger Ramjet theme song to a Ray song. So ther you have my
>>image of you, a conflation of Roger and Dudley. ( definately do not mean
>>that in an unkind way).
>>
>
> LOL!!! If you do rework the song, go ahead and post it, I'm game! :-)
I am working to much these days to have time for anything, but here are the
lyrics, maybe someone else will do it
Roger Ramjet and his Eagles
Fighting for our freedom
Fly through in and outer space
Not to join 'em but to beat him.
Roger Ramjet he's our man
Hero of our nation
For his adventures just be sure
And stay tuned to this station.
So come and join us all you kids
For lots of fun and laughter
As Roger Ramjet and his men
Get all the crooks they're after.
Roger Ramjet he's our man
Hero of our nation
For his adventures just be sure
And stay tuned to this station.
>
An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
wrote:
And did you hear anything bad about him? :-)
>>
>>>>
>>>> There are some great chants to be heard at football matches! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>
>>>And at protests, demo's etc. You should google the "Raging Grannies", and
>>>awesome group of Canadian women, and maybe found a group of Raging Irish
>>>grannies. I'm sure a nice Orish boyo like you could round up some
>>>grannies.
>>>I think of you as a Dudley Doright kinda character, even if you do have
>>>the
>>>wrong colour hair. If ye arent familiar with Dudley, ye'll have to google
>>>him, he's Canadian too.
>>
>> I'm familiar with him and enjoyed his cartoons... I never heard of him
>> until I
>> came to America though... I wouldn't go see that film they made of
>> him... The
>> trailers put me off... Just as I won't see the "new" Charlie and the
>> chocolate
>> factory" travesty... or... Basically I hate poorly done rehashes of
>> classics...
>
>Not to mention that most animated characters should stay that way, Batman
>maybe the one exception.
Here here!
>>
>>> I must confess that when I think of you, I think of
>>>reworking the Roger Ramjet theme song to a Ray song. So ther you have my
>>>image of you, a conflation of Roger and Dudley. ( definately do not mean
>>>that in an unkind way).
>>>
>>
>> LOL!!! If you do rework the song, go ahead and post it, I'm game! :-)
>
>I am working to much these days to have time for anything, but here are the
>lyrics, maybe someone else will do it
> Roger Ramjet and his Eagles
>Fighting for our freedom
>Fly through in and outer space
>Not to join 'em but to beat him.
>
>Roger Ramjet he's our man
>Hero of our nation
>For his adventures just be sure
>And stay tuned to this station.
>
>So come and join us all you kids
>For lots of fun and laughter
>As Roger Ramjet and his men
>Get all the crooks they're after.
>
>Roger Ramjet he's our man
>Hero of our nation
>For his adventures just be sure
>And stay tuned to this station.
>
>>
>
Those words I know, I thought you said you had new words to that air...
Ray
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An Mac Tíre Bán; (Whitewolf) removespamblocker>@iol.ie>
wrote:
The other one I know is the "Auld Orange Flute" about a fella marrying a
Catholic girl, turning Catholic himself and when he brings the flute to play at
the Mass, all it will play is Orange tunes... It's very funny! :-)
>>
>>>>
>>>> Listening to "Wake up Gerry" - a song telling Gerry Adams to "hang
>>>> himself"...
>>>> Lovely!
>>>
>>>There are some really horrible songs about him and Martin. Have you heard
>>>Double Dealing Fenians? Has a catchy tune.
>>>>
>>
>> Not heard this one, I've only managed to find a few songs...
>
>Are you searching limewire? Most of the songs listed as "Glasgow Rangers"
>are not Rangers songs, or football songs at all, but Orange songs
I am using limewire... I'm only going by what I found...
>>
>>>> Update:
>>>>
>>>> When I downloaded Celtic Football songs (that is what I used to find
>>>> them), I
>>>> didn't find half the vindictive, nasty lyrics... Fields of Athenry and
>>>> such...
>>>>
>>>> I still haven't found the "No surrender to the IRA" I once heard the
>>>> Rangers
>>>> fans singing while watching a match on TV.... Can anyone help?
>>
>Are you sure it was a Rangers match? That is an *nglish chant
>
>Give me St George in my heart, keep me *nglish
>Give me St George in my heart, I say
>Give me St George in my heart, keep me *nglish
>Keep me *nglish to my dying day
>No Surrender
>No Surrender
>No Surrender to the IRA -scum
>
>
Now... See, you have me there... I *can't* swear that it was a Glasgow match
and it might have been an England V Ireland match or something... Thanks for
all the lyrics though I didn't know them... :-)
You seem well up on football chants and their sectarian (or not) nature, do you
have a website about all this by any chance?
Ray
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