Celtic nation.
Robert William Vesterman
The Republic of Ireland. No others.
The question was asking for the Celtic nations. Not
for places where Celtic people live.
I can see stretching the definition of "nation"
to include, say, Scotland and such (why people
include that, but not Northern Ireland, is beyond
me), but Nova Scotia? Galacia (whose patronomic
name is Galiza)? Come on. Ever hear of Canada or
Spain?
bob vesterman.
Craig Cockburn
Ann an sgriobhainn <32BE01...@mail.webspan.net>, sgriobh Robert
William Vesterman <buo...@mail.webspan.net>
community. Whether the powers that be who live 500 miles or more from
that place recognise it as a nation is irrelevant.
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jfi...@nfld.com
On 1996-12-22 buo...@webspan.net said:
>Newsgroups: rec.music.celtic
>The Republic of Ireland. No others.
>The question was asking for the Celtic nations. Not
>for places where Celtic people live.
>I can see stretching the definition of "nation"
>to include, say, Scotland and such (why people
>include that, but not Northern Ireland, is beyond
>me), but Nova Scotia? Galacia (whose patronomic
>name is Galiza)? Come on. Ever hear of Canada or
>Spain?
>bob vesterman.
Hi all,
after following this thread a bit something occured to me. What are the
gypsy nations? And how, exactly, would one define the first nations?
Perhaps it's necessary to use a broader definition. If we define people in
terms of geographical boarders we limit people and leave out what is perhaps
more defining in terms of who they actually are. For example: I live in
Newfoundland, and, nothing against Canada, but, we just joined the country
in 1949. There was lots of contravercy surrounding the final vote count.
The final results were about 49% against and 51% in favour of confederation
with Canada. Although we are officially part of Canada, many people here
still refer to the rest of the country as "Canada". For example: "yes,
we're visiting friends in Canada next summer".
Newfoundland is comprised mostly of celtic peoples from Ireland, the west
country, Scotland and Britany. For some reason, the percentage of other
peoples here is extremely low. Our culture here is very strong and
distinctively celtic. There are places here where people have maintained
accents so close to those of Cork and Waterford that we are often confused
with people of those places even by irish people from Dublin and elsewhere.
I think, if you were to hear our music, you would plainly identify it,
immediately, as being celtic. Even to look at us or eat our food, it would
be very clear. We were an independent country before 1949 and to this day
maintain our independence, if not in nationhood, in spirit.
Up until recently, South Africa was not defined as a black nation. In fact,
I give them credit for not doing that even now. It's not much good to have
celtic, or any other blood, if it has to be spilled over geographical
boundaries or by which minority holds power for the day.
If anyone has seen the movie "The Field" I think you would agree that there
was a very important message there: sometimes, if you blot out the rest of
the world, it becomes so dark that there's not enough light left to see
things for what they are, wherever you happen to be at any given time.
In terms of language, there are many people who are very clearly chinese,
but don't speak chinese. As well, there are african people who speak only
french and irish people who don't speak irish.
Whether it's genes/history, or skin colour/land ownership, the one thing we
can maintain is our culture.
I don't remember who said it, but, there's a quote, "You can take my life,
but you can't take away my dignity."
Perhaps we could also say, "You can take away our land, but you can't take
away our culture."
Come to Newfoundland, and you will never forget it. Though the flag that
flies above your head may be canadian, there's something holding it up, and,
without the sod to drive it into, oh well, I guess you get the point.
By the way, I know it's hard sometimes to get the feeling of what someone is
saying when it's on a computer screen, but, I would like you to know that I
have said all of this not to contradict anyone or anything that's been said
in this thread, so far. Just thought I'd jump in and say hello from
Newfoundland.
All the best to everyone for the holidays and for the up-coming year,
Jim Fidler
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Ann an sgriobhainn <59umav$q...@hobbes.compusult.nf.ca>, sgriobh
jfi...@nfld.com
>By the way, I know it's hard sometimes to get the feeling of what someone is
>saying when it's on a computer screen, but, I would like you to know that I
>have said all of this not to contradict anyone or anything that's been said
>in this thread, so far. Just thought I'd jump in and say hello from
>Newfoundland.
>All the best to everyone for the holidays and for the up-coming year,
>
thanks for that inspirational posting - I'm hoping to make it over to
Canada next summer.
Richard Robinson
In article <59umav$q...@hobbes.compusult.nf.ca>, <jfi...@nfld.com> wrote:
>
>Come to Newfoundland, and you will never forget it....
I'd like to, one day.
>All the best to everyone for the holidays and for the up-coming year,
And a Happy New Year to you from England :-)
--
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