Chieftans song played for JFK Jr
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showed a video montage of pictures of John and Carolyn. The song they
used was by the Chieftans and someone else. We've had viewers call about
it and I can't get the answer anywhere. Anyone know what it was?
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>showed a video montage of pictures of John and Carolyn. The song they
>used was by the Chieftans and someone else. We've had viewers call about
>it and I can't get the answer anywhere. Anyone know what it was?
Not sure what the Chieftains tune was used, but the other day ABC showed a
montage of JFK jr. and for the music Seamus Egan's "Weep Not for the Memories"
was used. This instrumental by the way had lyrics added to it by Sarah
McLaughlin and her version is called "I Will Remember You" which is being
played everywhere now.
Frank
ryan...@tc.umn.edu
Indeed. She was on TV today too, singing some angel song. I found it to
be quite...distasteful to be truthful. We're seeing a lot of celebrities
trying to jockey for position to get their name next to John Kennedy's
this week, and when I saw her on the morning show with Diane Sawyer
today, it all just sort of reached a meltdown stage for me. Too much
self-aggrandizement from both her and Diane Sawyer...
I seem to be *just* missing all the music to these events--however, I
tuned into the ABC coverage just as that tune was finishing, which I
think was that awful Van Morrison/Chieftains "Carrickfergus" cover.
<Groan> And I wasn't paying that close of attention, but I think
Peter Jennings even gave the name of the tune & the CD on-air.
The music at the service at St. Pat's seemed alternately brilliant and
the most horrible, maudlin crap. "Battle Hymn of the Republic" was
*awful*!
Though I didn't see the St. Pat's service, it did seem as though there
were some good trad musicians on hand, though I didn't hear what they
played or who they were. The video of them was dark and shadowy, and I
couldn't tell who they were. Anyone know? And who the hell was the
women who asked everyone to do the "Jon Jon salute" fer chrissake?
Appalling!
To me, the most moving music of all this was ABC's playing of John's
favorite song, which was said to be Dylan's "Chimes of Freedom." For
some reason, that song seemed to capture the essence of his well
orchestrated media legacy of the week, at any rate.
In terms of the Irish connection, for me, the most moving music was the
bagpipes. They've been played during every Kennedy funeral in my memory,
which is a number of them. There just seems to be something about the
pipes when it comes to the fallen ones...
Janet Ryan
amers
from the Kennedy compound) I've seen a *lot* of the jockeying you mentioned
Janet. It should be obvious to everyone by now that the family wants some
time to mourn in private. I'm as sad as the next person about this; it still
hasn't had time to sink in for me. But all the musicians rushing in to be
part of the memorials *is* distasteful. I sing at funerals as a side job,
and one thing I've learned is that you're there not to perform, but be an
auxiliary ministry working with the priest to supplement the service and
comfort the family. If you can't do this without trying to steal the show,
you shouldn't be doing it.
-Amy
ps- I'm with you about be pipes being the most moving part, Janet
PAULKEATIN
that the song was Carrickfergus and that Peter Jennings said it could be found
on a Chieftains CD. I believe it was the group Morningstar who performed it at
the service.
The traditional music at the Mass at New York's Old St. Patrick's Cathedral in
Little Italy (of course, you knew New York was a melting pot) was provided by
the New York-based group Morning Star which featured founding members Mary
Courtney from County Kerry (guitar and vocals), Margie Mulvihill on tin whistle
(who is a niece of the late Martin Mulvihill's and not a daughter and a cousin
to his children Brendan, Gail and Dawn), John Reynolds on fiddle and the newest
member of the group and they were joined by box player John Nolan who often
guests with the group. Morningstar have just released a new CD though the
name of it escapes me right now.
Fearthainn
ryan...@tc.umn.edu wrote:
> TNSS9 wrote:
> >
> >>I work at an ABC station. This morning during the funeral coverage they
> >>showed a video montage of pictures of John and Carolyn. The song they
> >>used was by the Chieftans and someone else. We've had viewers call
> >>about it and I can't get the answer anywhere. Anyone know what it was?
> >
> > Not sure what the Chieftains tune was used, but the other day ABC
> > showed a montage of JFK jr. and for the music Seamus Egan's "Weep Not
> > for the Memories" was used. This instrumental by the way had lyrics
> > added to it by Sarah McLaughlin and her version is called "I Will
> > Remember You" which is being played everywhere now.
>
> Indeed. She was on TV today too, singing some angel song. I found it to
> be quite...distasteful to be truthful. We're seeing a lot of celebrities
> trying to jockey for position to get their name next to John Kennedy's
> this week, and when I saw her on the morning show with Diane Sawyer
> today, it all just sort of reached a meltdown stage for me. Too much
> self-aggrandizement from both her and Diane Sawyer...
>
That annoyed me too. Sarah Mclaughlin originally did "I Will Remember You"
for the movie The Brothers McMullen way back in '95 (I think). The credits on
her cd give the music to Seamus Egan, but she's re-released that song for
everyone from the Kosovo Refugees to Wayne Gretzky's retirement (he's the
greatest hockey player of all time, for those across the pond) this year
alone. I can't believe she's trotted it out again for this. I mean, just
because Elton John rewrote a song for a tragedy doesn't mean everyone should.
Fearthainn
--
You! Off my planet!
andrasda
>>I work at an ABC station. This morning during the funeral coverage they
>>showed a video montage of pictures of John and Carolyn. The song they
>>used was by the Chieftans and someone else. We've had viewers call about
>>it and I can't get the answer anywhere. Anyone know what it was?
>
>
>Not sure what the Chieftains tune was used, but the other day ABC showed a
>montage of JFK jr. and for the music Seamus Egan's "Weep Not for the Memories"
>was used. This instrumental by the way had lyrics added to it by Sarah
>McLaughlin and her version is called "I Will Remember You" which is being
>played everywhere now.
>
>Frank
The Chieftains' tune was the song "Carrickfergus," recorded with Vann
Morrison. It was a favorite of John's.
andrasda
Jeremy Main
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ryan...@tc.umn.edu wrote in message <3798C0...@tc.umn.edu>...
>TNSS9 wrote:
>>
>>>I work at an ABC station. This morning during the funeral coverage they
>>>showed a video montage of pictures of John and Carolyn. The song they
>>>used was by the Chieftans and someone else. We've had viewers call
>>>about it and I can't get the answer anywhere. Anyone know what it was?
>>
>> Not sure what the Chieftains tune was used, but the other day ABC
>> showed a montage of JFK jr. and for the music Seamus Egan's "Weep Not
>> for the Memories" was used. This instrumental by the way had lyrics
>> added to it by Sarah McLaughlin and her version is called "I Will
>> Remember You" which is being played everywhere now.
>
>Indeed. She was on TV today too, singing some angel song. I found it to
>be quite...distasteful to be truthful. We're seeing a lot of celebrities
>trying to jockey for position to get their name next to John Kennedy's
>this week, and when I saw her on the morning show with Diane Sawyer
>today, it all just sort of reached a meltdown stage for me. Too much
>self-aggrandizement from both her and Diane Sawyer...
>
ryan...@tc.umn.edu
>
> Being from southeastern Massachusetts (and a regular vacationer about
> a mile from the Kennedy compound) I've seen a *lot* of the jockeying
> you mentioned Janet. It should be obvious to everyone by now that the
> family wants some time to mourn in private. I'm as sad as the next
> person about this; it still hasn't had time to sink in for me.
Well, it isn't always easy to balance the public/private thing, for the
public or for the celebrities. The Kennedys are the most famous Irish
family in the world, not just in the US, so there is that celebrity
obsession factor, just as there was with Diana. I was living in Ireland
when she was killed, and if you think the Kennedy coverage here was bad,
you should have seen the Diana coverage over there!
I do make distinctions between celebrity worship, which is what I think
most of the public's morbid fascination is about with the Kennedys, and
with genuine sadness over the loss of a signficant public figure who was
attempting to influence art, culture, literature and politics, which I
think John Kennedy was trying to do with George magazine.
I remember feeling "hit" by a powerful (though fleeting) sense of loss
when I heard the actor Raul Julia died. I had been active in the Central
America solidarity movement in the US for many years, and I felt his body
of work, more than any other actor's, had been a positive force in
bringing Central and Latin American concerns to the attention of North
American audiences.
But I tell ya--this "Irish mythic and mystical tragedy" crap is what is
the most nauseating to me. And all I can say is, if "Carrickfergus" by
Van Morrison with the Chieftains was John Kennedy's favorite version of
the song, he apparently wasn't done learning all he needed to about
Irish music and culture, eh? ;-)
> But all the musicians rushing in to be part of the memorials *is*
>distasteful.
And all the Hollywood glitterati tripping over themselves to get in front
of the ET cameras to enrage us--oops! I mean engage us with their phony,
self-serving "I just want to say to the family...."
> I sing at funerals as a side job, and one thing I've learned is that
> you're there not to perform, but be an auxiliary ministry working with
>the priest to supplement the service and comfort the family. If you
>can't do this without trying to steal the show, you shouldn't be doing
>it.
Beautifully stated Amy! Yes, it is compassion that heals grief, and the
people involved in the service *are* part of that--minnistering to the
needs of the community coming together to grieve is their function. It
isn't just inappropriate to step outside that role, or overstep the
bounds of convention in this regard. It really can interfere profoundly
with the grieving process of loved ones--and can I suppose cause further
harm and suffering in some extreme instances. To me, the St. Pat's
memorial seemed to be more on the extreme end in terms of both the
Kennedy family, *and* the Irish community. Who the hell was that Irish
priest giving the eulogy? My God--his statement that in all his years of
ministering--and he was from Northern Ireland he said, where he had
ministered to families who lost loved ones to murder (he conveniently
didn't mention the Troubles)--he had never seen one family suffer so
much.
Well, even Barbara Walters was able to point out the disingenuousness of
those kinds of comments. There are American families who lost all their
sons in WWII. Or American families who lost all their loved ones in that
war, before they emigrated to the US. There are Irish families who have
suffered similar losses in the Troubles. I mean, I recognize that the
Kennedys have suffered the loss of two brothers in political
assassinations, and that is certainly something which is unique. But no
one ever talks about what that actually *means* in the context of their
religion, vis a vis the control of the political and economic
institutions in the US by WASPs.
So to me, its just plain depressing that all this memorializing of
Kennedys as celebrities, rather than as political figures, is being done
by the media, and some of the musicians, actors, etc.
Doesn't bode well for the legacy John Kennedy was trying to create and
carve out for himself being the one which will ultimately prevail, does
it?
> ps- I'm with you about be pipes being the most moving part, Janet
Well, the most moving part of the Irish music. As I said, I was also
just as moved by the song "Chimes of Freedom" by Dylan. The song does
seem to capture that ironic essence of what it must have meant to John
Kennedy to be worshipped for his place within a dynasty which has
concerned itself so profoundly with influencing the direction our country
was moving in politically, culturally and artistically, without his
contribution to that dynastic legacy being accepted or even acknowledged.
There is a real sting to that song, IMO, which resonates now with the
sting of irony in his death. That's the stuff of legends, though, innit?
Janet Ryan
Jeffrey Hurwit
ryan...@tc.umn.edu wrote in article <3798C0...@tc.umn.edu>:
>In terms of the Irish connection, for me, the most moving music was the
>bagpipes.
I haven't been able to catch much media coverage (sounds like I'm
not missing much, though)-- what sort of pipes were being played?
It would be easy to assume GHB, but I'd like to know if there were
any uilleann pipes.
--
jhu...@netcom.com Jeffrey Hurwit
"Sometimes, I just can't help myself!" --Babs Bunny
Singncelt
their own sorrow. Frankly I find all these people who never knew him but show
up with flowers ,weeping and carrying on to be extremely phony. As for the
comment that if John Kennedy's favorite version of Carrckfergus was the
Morrison/Chieftains version then he did not know "Irish" music. I find that
comment to be very narrow and snobby. While not my favorite version (I still
prefer Paddy Clancy's) I don't think one has the right to judge for all what is
good or bad. Too many music snobs in this room............................Joe
ryan...@tc.umn.edu
>
> As seen from rec.music.celtic,
> ryan...@tc.umn.edu wrote in article <3798C0...@tc.umn.edu>:
>
>>In terms of the Irish connection, for me, the most moving music was the
>>bagpipes.
>
> I haven't been able to catch much media coverage (sounds like I'm
> not missing much, though)
I only had seen snippets of the coverage over the past week, but the
weather was REALLY HOT here on Friday, and I was luxuriating in the icy
air-condo at home, so turned on the tube around the time the private
family memorial mass was taking place in NY. This was unbelievably dull
and bizarre because the media wasn't allowed in to the private mass. So
we watched Maria and Arnie, Bill, Hill and Chelsea and Muhammed Ali get
in and out of limos. Almost as fascinating as the footage on Thursday,
where we couldn't see the burial at sea, so we were forced to endure live
coverage of boats anchored in the harbor. And that big destroyer turn
around! (What I would like to know is why do all these things get done
around the noon hour, when I go looking for local news and weather, and
then get sucked in by this inane stuff? Ahhh, summer heat...)
On Friday, I became absolutely transfixed by the media spectacle with the
stage Irish backdrop aspect of this post-modern
socio-political Broadway musical Kennedy performance art! Now that I've
had some time to recover from it, I can tell you this Jeffrey--you missed
a *GREAT* show in that respect! Let me bring you up to date if you've
just tuned in...
Cut back to Jeffrey's post...
> -- what sort of pipes were being played? It would be easy to
> assume GHB, but I'd like to know if there were any uilleann >
> pipes.
Right you are Jeffrey, good point. I'd like to know the answer to that
question myself, so now let's go to...
The replay of the St. Pat's memorial mass on Thursday night, which you're
watching here, being replayed while we can't watch the family memorial on
Friday, that is--Barbara Walters do you see, part of the problem
answering Jeffrey's simple, straightforward question is that these clips
now...from RFK's funeral/presidential campaign/JFK's Christmas in
Washington on the way into the White House after the trip where he
accompanied Jackie Kennedy to Paris/Martha's Vineyard today/a Kennedy
compound shot from three weeks ago yesterday/ the Jay Leno show in May
1998--as you can see, over the banner title which reads "Breaking News" I
think it is if you're tuned in to CNN...
And here are a few shots of GHB bands...I'm not sure if for good "Irish"
measure or not. I just couldn't tell which funeral they were from!
And this just in from the newsroom banter:
Response: "Are you sure they had a bagpipe band there on
Thursday?"
Retort: "It doesn't really matter, does it? I mean, we want to
give a sense of that mystical, magical Irish tragedy thing, don't
we? Those pipes give it an Irish look and feel, right? So just
throw it in with the montage! It'll be a great shot!"
Relieved laugther with: "Hey, archive footage is archive footage,
it doesn't really matter which pipe band from which Kennedy
funeral you use, does it? Its not like you can tell them apart!"
So let me explain Jeffrey, as best as I can, why I can't really answer
that uillean pipe question.
First, the "Battle Hymn of the Republic." My gawd, it was so painful!
Pipe organs, tin whistles, accordion, Irish tenor belting it out,
accompanied by a terrified congregation of apparently large enough
numbers of non-Irish that we can be sure none of them will ever venture
near an Irish theme pub or vote for another Kennedy as long as they live!
Did anyone detect uillean pipes in the mix? No--I don't think so, Peter
(for those of you just tuning in, that's Peter Jennings again)...I ran
from the room screaming, with my ears covered Peter, maybe you can pick
it up on another live montage camera...
I was as terrified as the congregation looked!
Yes, we can see now that I had a similar reaction when ABC played the
Van/Chieftains cover of "Carrickfergus" to accompany one of their many
"Kennedy/Irish mystical/magical tragically poignant montages, I'm not
sure what really happened anymore...I think that one showed pipe bands
too, as I recall, but again, which Kennedy funeral pipe band shot was it
Peter?
I honestly don't know. Let's go back to the Kennedy compound now,
because Van attempting to sing traditional songs accompanied by the
Chieftains always makes my teeth hurt--
We're back in New York now Peter, where I was forced to find the remote
just in time to hit the "mute" button. And by the time I brought the
sound back on, we were in Dylan's "Chimes of Freedom" with what looked
like some sunset Hyannisport beach shots...
But in terms of the actual footage of what apparently *was* Thursday
night's memorial mass, not only did the "Battle Hymn" make my teeth hurt,
but the hair on the back of my neck stand up, my head tilt back and forth
like dogs do when they hear things that jar them, though we human's can't
hear it, and then made me flee the room--y'know what I mean? So of
course, I can't be sure now...
But someone else noted Tom (that's Diane Sawyer and our own Maria Shriver
there) posted that some of the traditional musicians performing were from
the group Morningstar. But I'm not familiar with them. When they did
stuff on their own, most of it sounded ok, but they had *so* many things
going on at the same time, who could tell what the hell was being played?
Not me! But I don't recall any uillean pipes in that mix either Peter
Tom, the piper's son...
Now we're just catching a glimpse of some film footage which appears to
be a GHB pipe band marching up what looks like the steps to St. Pats--
At another famous Kennedy funeral----
---and if in fact there was a GHB present at St. Pat's last Thursday
night at the mass & they actually were piping, it would make sense that
they did the processional into the cathedral, as its done to begin events
of this nature, where Irish GHB bands have performed this function in
other less tragic Kennedy circumstances Tom...
And didn't they look grand and glorious in their formal GHB band attire
whatever year they played Barabara?! Yes, Peter, and I presume this is an
AOH type band, maybe the NYPD pipe band--I think they still have one.
We'll have to get verification of that Tom, but here's a shot of this
week's "Irish Echo" headlines, the newspaper will give a more concise,
detailed review of the George memorial mass....
Just to set our minds at ease---
---historic recollections of the Kennedy legacy, brought to us--
...talking heads of state...
fffzzzztttt!?!
aren't real....ffffzzzztttt! are they.......ffffzzzztttt!?!
heads...Kennedy Onassis estate...ffffzzzzttttt? or...are
they...ffffzzzzzttttt
...prince of the people.....riderless horse carrying Van
Morrison....fffffzzzzzttttt!?!?
We'll be right back with more Special Coverage of JFK Jr: An American
Tragedy after this....
Janet Ryan
Harptone19
back from the St. Patrick's Old Cathedral Irish Tribute the night before.
PAULKEATIN
Patrick's Cathedral usually referred to around the New York area as the Tyrone
Pipers, one of the older and more distinguished groups in this neck of the
woods.
rogermi...@my-deja.com
John F. Kennedy Jr. was obviously murdered because he was intelligent,
he was a high profile editor and he terrified extreme bigots who
survive on the capacity to cover up the truth. What the hell do you
expect in a politically hostile environment? John was always surrounded
by political scavengers who sought to exploit his influence. If you are
surprised about the murder of JFK Jr., you are historically ignorant
-just study history and it will become very, very clear. In a
nutshell, as long as assassins [serial killers] are not prosecuted,
there will be assassinations. You don't need stupid theories, about
a stupid accident to explain the death of JFK Jr., -just the facts.
John F. Kennedy 1963, Martin Luther King 1968,
Robert F. Kennedy 1968, John Lennon 1980, Steve Kangas 1999,
Bill Clinton 1999,(failed impeachment) John F. Kennedy Jr., 1999.
If you believe that Liberals just love to drop dead, to satisfy the
paranoia of the bigots who target them, wyou are exhaustively
delusional.
http://www.angelfire.com/ky/ohwhy/assassins.html
*note* -former Reagan & Bush officials ridicule the Clinton impeachment
in the category of what is essentially a failed assassination plot, but
anyone with a brain clearly understands the fact that Bush's former
solicitor general spent more than a full presidential term trying to
put a bullet through Clinton's head and FBI labs should investigate
MURDER, not the semen stains of a consensual, sexual relationship.
Those who claim that Clinton should have just told the truth should
spare most people who do not care who Bill Clinton has sex with.
p.s. did you see Gennifer Flowers use the show Hardball to call
President Bill Clinton a murderer? Did you see Anne Coulter use the
Geraldo show to call the Clintons perverts, criminals and liars?
The political scavengers are getting desperate, aren't they?
Darryl L. Pierce
wrote:
;Which certainly explains why Art Bell and Rush Limbaugh are still alive.
;
;But doesn't even begin to explain why this is in THIS newsgroup.
Ah, just killfile the skite like I did. You'll be better served... =)
Is mise le meas,
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> I work at an ABC station. This morning during the funeral coverage they
> showed a video montage of pictures of John and Carolyn. The song they
>
>