how do you pronounce "gaughan"?
Ian Anderson
Chris Conway <u0...@uvvm.uvic.ca> wrote:
>I've always thought dick gaughan's name was pronounced gaw-fin. Now I'm
>hearing people pronounce it gaw-gan. Which is correct? (Wonderful
>music, either way!)
Any statement including the words 'Gaughan' and 'pronunciation' uttered
south of the border is likely to result in fisticuffs ;-) Over to you,
Dick?
Ian Anderson
Folk Roots magazine
fro...@cityscape.co.uk
http://www.cityscape.co.uk/froots/
Dick Gaughan
In article <85500554...@cisaj93.demon.co.uk>, Ian Anderson
<fro...@cityscape.co.uk> writes
>Chris Conway <u0...@uvvm.uvic.ca> wrote:
>>I've always thought dick gaughan's name was pronounced gaw-fin. Now I'm
>>hearing people pronounce it gaw-gan. Which is correct? (Wonderful
>>music, either way!)
>
>Any statement including the words 'Gaughan' and 'pronunciation' uttered
>south of the border is likely to result in fisticuffs ;-) Over to you,
>Dick?
No thanks, I just put one out ...
I missed the original post (let's hear it for demon.news) so I'll tag my
answer here, thank you Ian :)
Of course (obligatory Usenet disclaimer) this is only my opinion and
others may disagree but, although I have heard many weird and wonderful
pronunciations, I have always assumed it to be pronounced
"gaw - chan", with the accent on the first syllable and the "ch" being
the Scottish throat "ch", rather like a Dutch 'g' or a German "ch" or
blah blah <insert learned reference of choice> - exceedingly difficult
for someone English and well-nigh impossible for an American. I have
learned to answer to "gaw - gan".
Although to be absolutely accurate, it should actually be a Gaelic "gh"
which is a cross between a "g", a "y", a "ch" (Scots, again) and a bad-
tempered rottweiler.
Unless the person pronouncing it is Irish, in which case most of them
would pronounce it "gaw - han" and I suppose that's fair enough given
that it came from there originally.
But not if they're from Cork (pronounced "Kyark")'cause nobody can
understand a word they say there :)
I once spent a week there and none of them understood a word I said,
either. We communicated via pints of Murphy's and polkas.
I once knew an Italian who invariably refered to me as "dee go gan"
and when I was on the road with a certain Shetland fiddle player we were
once billed as Dick Goffin and Annie Bain - but don't *ever* tell him I
told you that one
--
Dick Gaughan, Dun Eideann (Edinburgh), Alba (Scotland)
website : http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/
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George Hawes
Ian Anderson <fro...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>Chris Conway <u0...@uvvm.uvic.ca> wrote:
>>I've always thought dick gaughan's name was pronounced gaw-fin. Now I'm
>>hearing people pronounce it gaw-gan. Which is correct? (Wonderful
>>music, either way!)
>Any statement including the words 'Gaughan' and 'pronunciation' uttered
>south of the border is likely to result in fisticuffs ;-) Over to you,
>Dick?
I thought it was pronounced 'genius'!
George
Craig Cockburn
Ann an sgriobhainn <85500554...@cisaj93.demon.co.uk>, sgriobh Ian
Anderson <fro...@cityscape.co.uk>
>Chris Conway <u0...@uvvm.uvic.ca> wrote:
>>I've always thought dick gaughan's name was pronounced gaw-fin. Now I'm
>>hearing people pronounce it gaw-gan. Which is correct? (Wonderful
>>music, either way!)
>
>Any statement including the words 'Gaughan' and 'pronunciation' uttered
>south of the border is likely to result in fisticuffs ;-) Over to you,
>Dick?
>
first syllable rhymes with "loch"
--
Craig Cockburn ("coburn"), Du\n E/ideann, Alba. (Edinburgh, Scotland)
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~craig/
E-mail: cr...@scot.demon.co.uk (preferred) or cr...@acm.org
Sgri\obh thugam 'sa Gha\idhlig ma 'se do thoil e.
Colin Matheson
In article <85500554...@cisaj93.demon.co.uk> Ian Anderson <fro...@cityscape.co.uk> writes:
>Chris Conway <u0...@uvvm.uvic.ca> wrote:
>>I've always thought dick gaughan's name was pronounced gaw-fin. Now I'm
>>hearing people pronounce it gaw-gan. Which is correct? (Wonderful
>>music, either way!)
>Any statement including the words 'Gaughan' and 'pronunciation' uttered
>south of the border is likely to result in fisticuffs ;-) Over to you,
>Dick?
Just in case Dick's busy, the answer is that neither is correct - the
second syllable starts with a voiceless velar fricative. If you don't
have a voiceless velar fricative in your dialect, then you can't say
"it's a braw bricht moonlicht nicht", so you're no' awricht.
Colin
--
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Phone: +44 131 650 4656 (fax 4587) | University of Edinburgh
Email: Colin.M...@ed.ac.uk | 2 Buccleuch Place
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MCCANNCLAN
> exceedingly difficult for someone English and well-nigh impossible >for
an American.
As an American, I can say amen to that. It reminds me of when I called
San Francisco's Great American Music Hall to see when Dick was playing
there. I asked, "could you please tell me the date of the Dick Gone
concert?" ( I figured it was pronounced as one would pronounce Vaughan
since I had never heard anyone pronounce it before.) Obviously not, the
gentleman on the other end of the line said he hadn't heard of Dick Gone.
Extremely frustrated and disappointed ( we had driven from Colorado to San
Francisco, approximatley 1200 miles), I decided to call back--the guy at
the hall had had some time to think about it and figured out who I was
talking about. And what a show!
barry mccann
fort collins, colorado
Lynda Thornton
In article <19970206233...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, MCCANNCLAN
<mccan...@aol.com> writes
I'm ashamed to say that I have always automatically used the
'Gone'(Vaughan) pronunciation too - and I'm from the UK!
Lynda Thornton
Abby Sale
>> exceedingly difficult for someone English and well-nigh impossible >for
>an American.
>
My dander has finally been upped by this slander. Vast numbers of
Americans can easily deal with this anomaly. It's possibly _only_
Americans of English decent that may have a problem.
It isn't a problem for Jewish Americans & probably not too hard for the 2
or 3 other Americans with a mimimal knowledge of Irish, German or any
other language that has the soft gutteral.
I'd admit that seeing it printed doesn't help much - but I don't think it
would help that many Scots either. Unless memory has failed yet again,
this is the archaic pronunciation of gh, not particularly common in the
cities today.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---
I am Abby Sale - abby...@orlinter.com (That's in Orlando)
Lynda Thornton
In article <32fdbbb3...@snews2.zippo.com>, Abby Sale
<abby...@orlinter.com> writes
>
>>> exceedingly difficult for someone English and well-nigh impossible >for
>>an American.
>>
>My dander has finally been upped by this slander. Vast numbers of
>Americans can easily deal with this anomaly. It's possibly _only_
>Americans of English decent that may have a problem.
>
>It isn't a problem for Jewish Americans & probably not too hard for the 2
>or 3 other Americans with a mimimal knowledge of Irish, German or any
>other language that has the soft gutteral.
>
>I'd admit that seeing it printed doesn't help much - but I don't think it
>would help that many Scots either. Unless memory has failed yet again,
>this is the archaic pronunciation of gh, not particularly common in the
>cities today.
>
capabilities for pronunciation and with a bit of practice can pronounce
ANYTHING in the way it should be spoken!! British people in particular
should find the 'gh' gutteral sound well within their capabilities.
Lynda Thornton
Gwen A Orel
Abby Sale (abby...@orlinter.com) wrote:
: >> exceedingly difficult for someone English and well-nigh impossible >for
: >an American.
: >
: My dander has finally been upped by this slander. Vast numbers of
: Americans can easily deal with this anomaly. It's possibly _only_
: Americans of English decent that may have a problem.
: It isn't a problem for Jewish Americans & probably not too hard for the 2
: or 3 other Americans with a mimimal knowledge of Irish, German or any
: other language that has the soft gutteral.
Agreed.
The post before this made me quite homesick for the Great American
Music Hall.
Nobody *ever* comes to Pittsburgh!
Gwen
--
"Live as one already dead." --Japanese saying
I live in fear of not being misunderstood.-- Oscar wilde
Dick Gaughan
>Americans can easily deal with this anomaly. It's possibly _only_
>Americans of English decent that may have a problem.
>
>It isn't a problem for Jewish Americans & probably not too hard for the 2
>or 3 other Americans with a mimimal knowledge of Irish, German or any
>other language that has the soft gutteral.
LOL!
Slander unconditionally withdrawn :)
Dick Gaughan
In article <5dme3l$d...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Gwen A Orel
<gao...@pitt.edu> writes
>Nobody *ever* comes to Pittsburgh!
Now, there is great title for a song, if I ever heard one :)
Colin Matheson
>I'd admit that seeing it printed doesn't help much - but I don't think it
>would help that many Scots either. Unless memory has failed yet again,
>this is the archaic pronunciation of gh, not particularly common in the
>cities today.
I don't think it's all that archaic -- both the voiceless palatal and
voiceless velar fricatives are pretty common in modern Scots (the
sounds in "nicht" and "loch" respectively). I'd say that many
speakers use both forms of words like "light" (the more "standard"
English and the fricative versions), depending on who the audience is.
If the city in question is Edinburgh, of course, you might have
trouble finding a Scot, never mind someone who speaks Scots. :)
Abby Sale
On 10 Feb 1997 06:09:57 GMT, gao...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) wrote:
>
>Nobody *ever* comes to Pittsburgh!
>
as I know, but the first time I saw Fife's bonny pit bings stannin' in a
row, it reminded me fondly of a brief visit to the Pitts.
It was the last time I saw the gentle giant, Pete Hoover, master of
anything with strings...except shoes. (Although I did hear rumors of him
scourging England.) At 6', 10-1/2", and hands to match, Pete enjoyed
inventing chords that required the full stretch of his fretting hand. So
no one else could play them.
He was kind enough to introduce me to the pleasure of curried chili
peppers. In retrospect, it makes my spaghetti with haggis sauce seem a
small thing, indeed.
Abby Sale
On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:59:31 GMT, you wrote:
>sounds in "nicht" and "loch" respectively). I'd say that many
>speakers use both forms of words like "light" (the more "standard"
>English and the fricative versions), depending on who the audience is.
Seems right.
>If the city in question is Edinburgh, of course, you might have
>trouble finding a Scot, never mind someone who speaks Scots. :)
Ah. That explains how I got my impression of this. 85% of my time was in
Edinburgh &, as you say, the Scots were few & far between. Possibly the
only reason I heard Scots at all was that Great Hamish counted for at
least 50 normal people.
Craig Cockburn
Ann an sgriobhainn <E5G1n...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, sgriobh Colin Matheson
<co...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
>If the city in question is Edinburgh, of course, you might have
>trouble finding a Scot, never mind someone who speaks Scots. :)
>
Hoots mon the noo!!
Gwen A Orel
Oh please, oh please, if you wrote it, it would
make these looooooooooooong years of grad school
bearable (NO degree could possibly justify them, but
a *song* would go a long way. I'd play it on endless
loop as I drove off to California... sigh..
it's hailing here!!!!)
Gwen
Dick Gaughan (di...@dickalba.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <5dme3l$d...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Gwen A Orel
: <gao...@pitt.edu> writes
: >Nobody *ever* comes to Pittsburgh!
: Now, there is great title for a song, if I ever heard one :)
: --
: Dick Gaughan, Dun Eideann (Edinburgh), Alba (Scotland)
: website : http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/
--
Gwen A Orel
Abby Sale (abby...@orlinter.com) wrote:
: On 10 Feb 1997 06:09:57 GMT, gao...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) wrote:
: >
: >Nobody *ever* comes to Pittsburgh!
: >
: as I know, but the first time I saw Fife's bonny pit bings stannin' in a
: row, it reminded me fondly of a brief visit to the Pitts.
I had to read this three times... impressive.
: It was the last time I saw the gentle giant, Pete Hoover, master of
: anything with strings...except shoes. (Although I did hear rumors of him
: scourging England.) At 6', 10-1/2", and hands to match, Pete enjoyed
: inventing chords that required the full stretch of his fretting hand. So
: no one else could play them.
: He was kind enough to introduce me to the pleasure of curried chili
: peppers. In retrospect, it makes my spaghetti with haggis sauce seem a
: small thing, indeed.
OK, all right, so Andy M. Steward did come here in '93. But that
was *three and a half years ago*!!!!!! And nobody has come since
(I mean Celtic musicwise). Or if they have they aren't making
it known to In Pittsburgh or the Post Gazette or anything. I miss
the Great American Music Hall..... a good Celtic session would
improve the look of this place...
Gwen
ghost
In article <5e3f1v$n...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> gao...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) writes:
->: On 10 Feb 1997 06:09:57 GMT, gao...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) wrote:
->: >Nobody *ever* comes to Pittsburgh!
->OK, all right, so Andy M. Steward did come here in '93. But that
->was *three and a half years ago*!!!!!! And nobody has come since
->(I mean Celtic musicwise). Or if they have they aren't making
->it known to In Pittsburgh or the Post Gazette or anything. I miss
->the Great American Music Hall..... a good Celtic session would
->improve the look of this place...
Margaret Christl is *living* in Pittsburgh. You'll have to ask her why.
She hasn't got the worldwide reputation she deserves, but because of that
I bet if you mustered up enough people to be the audience for a house concert
(now where did I see that idea?) it would not be an expensive proposition
on your end. You would be a happy camper. So would M. Christl. Unless you
don't like Scottish murder ballads & Scottish border murder ballads & also
plenty of songs about other stuff (love, justice, the usual) if for some
odd reason you don't *like* Scottish & Scottish-border murder ballads.
Lindstrom James
ghost (j...@deas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: In article <5e3f1v$n...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> gao...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) writes:
: ->: On 10 Feb 1997 06:09:57 GMT, gao...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) wrote:
: ->: >Nobody *ever* comes to Pittsburgh!
: ->OK, all right, so Andy M. Steward did come here in '93. But that
: ->was *three and a half years ago*!!!!!! And nobody has come since
: ->(I mean Celtic musicwise). Or if they have they aren't making
: ->it known to In Pittsburgh or the Post Gazette or anything. I miss
: ->the Great American Music Hall..... a good Celtic session would
: ->improve the look of this place...
Well, things do happen in the Burgh, but it's not SF, that's for sure.
Over the summer we had Cherish the LAdies, who got rained out in South
Park. Shane McGowan was in town twice the summer before. Solas was here
at the Irish festival, as was Black 47. There is Mullaney's Harp and
Fiddle if you want a pub that has Irish music on a regular basis. Check
the newsletter for Caliope. They always manage to get an Irish/Celtic
band or two for their series every year. Open House was in towb a couple
of months ago.
The music is here. You just have to know where to look.
gy...@worldnet.att.net
Several years ago in NY I picked up a CD by a Pittsburgh (I think) group
"Ploughman's Lunch." It was great. Are they still playing there?
--Sally Large
Gwen A Orel
Oh... I guess maybe the proble is exacerbated by my being away
always for large chunks of the summer. Too bad; I'd have liked
seeing Cherish the Ladies!
Gwen
Lindstrom James (LINDS...@duq3a.cc.duq.edu) wrote:
: ghost (j...@deas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: : In article <5e3f1v$n...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> gao...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) writes:
: : ->: On 10 Feb 1997 06:09:57 GMT, gao...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) wrote:
: : ->: >Nobody *ever* comes to Pittsburgh!
: : ->OK, all right, so Andy M. Steward did come here in '93. But that
: : ->was *three and a half years ago*!!!!!! And nobody has come since
: : ->(I mean Celtic musicwise). Or if they have they aren't making
: : ->it known to In Pittsburgh or the Post Gazette or anything. I miss
: : ->the Great American Music Hall..... a good Celtic session would
: : ->improve the look of this place...
: Well, things do happen in the Burgh, but it's not SF, that's for sure.
: Over the summer we had Cherish the LAdies, who got rained out in South
: Park. Shane McGowan was in town twice the summer before. Solas was here
: at the Irish festival, as was Black 47. There is Mullaney's Harp and
: Fiddle if you want a pub that has Irish music on a regular basis. Check
: the newsletter for Caliope. They always manage to get an Irish/Celtic
: band or two for their series every year. Open House was in towb a couple
: of months ago.
: The music is here. You just have to know where to look.
: jl
: linds...@duq3.cc.duq.edu
--
Lindstrom James
Gwen A Orel (gao...@pitt.edu) wrote:
: Oh... I guess maybe the proble is exacerbated by my being away
: always for large chunks of the summer. Too bad; I'd have liked
: seeing Cherish the Ladies!
: Gwen
I would have liked to have seen them too. But the rain said no. They did
make a heroic effort to go on. Half the band was stranded at an airport
in Massa chusets. Joanie MAdden did some flute and whistle solos that
were wonderful. Some guy in the audience even got up and did some IRA
ballads just to fill the gaps.
Calliope will be having a band called Nomos on town on Mar. 22. Never
heard of them, but I might make an effort to see them. Usually I'm at the
Renaissance and Baroque Society events. For a "city" the size of
Pittsburgh (Big town really) there is a lot of music of all sorts going
on. Too bad the Chieftains show was cancelled over the summer. The last
time I saw them was in the late seventies at the Great American Music
Hall, right after the Barry Lyndon soundtrack made them "famous." They
were my earliest introduction to traditional Irish music.
jim lindstrom
linds...@duq3.cc.duq.edu
Bill Pfeiffer
> OK, all right, so Andy M. Steward did come here in '93. But that
While I would agree that Pittsburgh doesn't get many Celtic acts
passing through, they do get more than some other U.S. cities.
Nomos is coming in March (sponsored by Calliope) and the concert
will be at the Carnegie Lecture Hall, I think.
Bill
--
Bill Pfeiffer
James G Dilmore
In article <5e3eqf$n...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
Gwen A Orel <gao...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>Oh please, oh please, if you wrote it, it would
>make these looooooooooooong years of grad school
>bearable (NO degree could possibly justify them, but
>a *song* would go a long way. I'd play it on endless
>loop as I drove off to California... sigh..
And *that's* a good name for a hornpipe. :)
And I think I agree about graduate school.
>it's hailing here!!!!)
>
>Gwen
>
In addition to everything else that was said, Kevin Burke was here in
November with Open House again with Calliope. He's somebody. Also, the
Harp and Fiddle has sessions the first and third Sundays of every month.
In addition look for Hooley playing around. They play traditional music
with the instruments and players being Richard Withers on flute, Bruce
Molyneaux on mandolin, bouzuki, and tenor banjo, Ray Werner on tin
whistle, concertina, and vocals, Oliver Browne on fiddle, Les Gletchel on
bodhran and other percussive type things, and Bruce Foley on guitar and
vocals among other instruments. There's also live music for the Ce/ili/s
at the H&F on Tuesday nights.
From what I hear there is a Dervish concert at the end of the month
in Clevland. I've considered making the trip. Any of the Ceol starved
Pittsburgh (pronounced Pittsburgh an at) up for going?
Jim
A better address to mail me at is dil...@bns.pitt.edu.
Gwen A Orel
Jim,
how come I never know about these things????
Alas, I am about to start rehearsals and will have NO
free time until the show opens (March 25th) but keep
me posted anyway.
Out of curiosity, what horrible circle of Hell drew you here?
(i.e., what's your dept/ ;)
James G Dilmore (jgd...@pitt.edu) wrote:
: In article <5e3eqf$n...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
BMolyne101
I guess with the exception of Kevin Burke and Open House having been in
the 'Burgh a couple of months ago and Nomos (a hot new traditional band
out of Co. Cork) coming next month and weekly dances to live music
(Tuesdays at 8:00), sesiuns first and third Sundays at Mullaney's Harp and
Fiddle monthly ceilis sponsored by the Pittsburgh Ceili Club, periodic
ceilis at the Iris Centre, live music (mostly balladeers) at Mullaney's
five nights a week, several dance classes and periodic performances by
Hooley (a local trad. Irish band) there isn't much going on here. Anyway,
I understand Dervish is going to be in Cleveland next month.
Bruce
Gwen A Orel
There may be a Celtic scene.. what I said is nobody ever comes here.
When I lived in San Francicsco, it seemed that every year Mary Black
or Silly Wizard or John Renbourn or somebody whose records I loved
visited the Great American Music Hall. I didn't know about Kevin
Burke, but nobody of his stature has been around to my knowledge
recently. Why the hangup on these "big guys?" Just because unfortunately
I'm so overextended I don't have time to find out about/[participate
in a smaller music scene. But I would go to concerts a ffew times
a year, if there were any. Oh and SF-- Tannahil Weavrs, Battlefield
Band-- you name it, they came through. I guess the record labels
set the tours up, and they don't tend to include Pittsburgh.
I joined a local mailing list to find out about events here but it
seems to be inactive. However if you know of something going
on around here please post and let me know!
Gwen
BMolyne101 (bmoly...@aol.com) wrote:
: I guess with the exception of Kevin Burke and Open House having been in
: Bruce
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