Help me discover Jazz!
khe...@drew.drew.edu
Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane, The Best of the Bird: Charlie Parker,
and Miles Davis' Kind of Blue. I am a guitarist and I have found Miles'
CD extremely rewarding and inspirational. I'd like to buy more jazz, and I'd
like some suggestions from rmb users as to what to buy considering that
I am a guitarist and am more rock oriented. Fusion would probably be the
best route for me: I really like Freddie Hubbard's album Red Clay, and
I'm interested in hearing about Miles' Bitches Brew before I buy it. I realize
this message has no formal theme but hopefully there's some portion of it which
will motivate someone to reply. Maybe some questions will help. Reply to
any which you find interesing:
How is Bitches Brew? Should I buy it?
What other fusion albums are considered classics?
Who do you recommend in the fusion genre of jazz?
Who are some good women jazz musicians?
I'd also like to hear some personal stories from other guitarists who have
been inspired either by jazz guitarists or, more interestingly,
non-guitarist jazz musicians.
Elliot E. Kallen
Miles Davis: In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew (yes, it's really that good!),
Live/Evil, Jack Johnson, and, if you like fusion-style stuff, any of his
later, guitar-oriented albums like We Want Miles or Decoy.
Larry Coryell: Spaces
Miroslav Vitous: Purple
Weather Report: 1st album, I Sing the Body Electric, Mysterious
Traveller, Heavy Weather
Mahavishnu Orchestra: Birds of Fire, The Ever-Mounting Flame
Return to Forever: Hymn to the Seventh Galaxy
Have fun!
Robert Warren
check out Al DiMeola.
Thomas Ford Brown
In article <1994May14.014047.110524@drew> khe...@drew.drew.edu writes:
>
>How is Bitches Brew? Should I buy it?
Buy the vinyl version--the CD remaster is fucked.
>
>What other fusion albums are considered classics?
You might like Herbie Hancock's "Headhunters",
for some serious funk.
>Who are some good women jazz musicians?
Emily Remler is a good mainstream jazz guitarist.
>I'd also like to hear some personal stories from other guitarists who have
>been inspired either by jazz guitarists or, more interestingly,
>non-guitarist jazz musicians.
How about non-guitarist non-jazz musicians? I've been greatly
inspired by the classical music of India.
Chuck Watts
[stuff about writers recent interest in jazz and fusion . . .]
> How is Bitches Brew? Should I buy it?
>
> What other fusion albums are considered classics?
>
> Who do you recommend in the fusion genre of jazz?
I'm not the biggest fan of the Bitches Brew album, but it certainly was
another example of Miles as a path blazer. You want to know fusion (albums
and players) get Bitches Brew and check out the players (Wayne Shorter/Joe
Zawinul -- Weather Report; Lenny White/Chick Corea -- Return to Forever;
John McLaughlin -- Mahavishnu Orchestra) and you've got the lion share of
the significant fusion players of the 70's. However, my favorite Miles
fusion album is Tribute to Jack Johnson -- get it!
Suggestions
Weather Report: 1st album -- named simply Weather Report, Mysterious
Traveller, Heavy Weather
Return to Forever: the blue covered album by the same name; where have I
known
you before -- the bass player Stanley Clark did some good albums
Mahavishnu Orchestra: Birds of Fire, The Ever-Mounting Flame
Jack DeJohnette's Giant Box (Another player on the BB album)
Paolo Valladolid
> you before -- the bass player Stanley Clark did some good albums
>Mahavishnu Orchestra: Birds of Fire, The Ever-Mounting Flame
The Inner Mounting Flame.
Paolo Valladolid
pval...@sdcc5.ucsd.edu
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AFC PeterS
Brown) writes:
> > Who are some good women jazz musicians?
>
> Emily Remler is a good mainstream jazz guitarist.
There are a lot of great women in jazz; Marilyn Mazur, Jane Ira Bloom, Amina
Claudine Myers, Joanne Brackeen, Terri Lynn Carrington, Leni Stern...
Peter Stoller
A. Koning
Thanks to Sean, Tom, Ken, Kimmo, Mike, Yuji and Ed.
Arjan Koning.
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MIKE STERN DISCOGRAPHY (May 16, 1994)
by Arjan Koning (kon...@ecn.nl)
Additions and corrections are welcome!!
MILES DAVIS: THE MAN WITH THE HORN 1981
g: Mike Stern, tp: Miles Davis, ss: Bill Evans, b: Marcus Miller,
d: Al Foster, perc: Sonny Figueroa
1. Fat time (Davis)
+ other tunes without Stern
MILES DAVIS: WE WANT MILES 1981
g: Mike Stern, tp: Miles Davis, ss: Bill Evans, b: Marcus Miller,
d: Al Foster, perc: Mino Cinelu
1. Jean-Pierre (Davis)
2. Back seat Betty (Davis)
3. Fast track (Davis)
4. Jean-Pierre (Davis)
5. My man's gone now (Gershwin)
6. Kix (Davis)
MILES DAVIS: LIVE IN JAPAN 1981
g: Mike Stern, tp: Miles Davis, ss: Bill Evans, b: Marcus Miller,
d: Al Foster, perc: Mino Cinelu
Details unknown
MILES DAVIS: STAR PEOPLE 1983
g: Mike Stern, g: John Scofield [3], tp+keyb: Miles Davis,
b: Marcus Miller [1,2,4-6], Tom Barney [3], d: Al Foster, perc: Mino Cinelu
1. Come get it (Davis)
2. It gets better (Davis)
3. Speak (Davis)
4. Star people (Davis)
5. U'n'I (Davis)
6. Star on Cicely (Davis)
STEVE SMITH: VITAL INFORMATION 1983
g: Mike Stern, g: Dean Brown, ts: Dave Wilczewski, b: Tim Landers,
d,p: Steve Smith
1. Looks Bad, Feels Good (Landers)
2. Questionable Arrivals (Wilczewski)
3. V.G. (Wilczewski, Smith, Landers)
4. Vital Information (Smith)
5. All That Is (Smith, Richman, Giffin)
6. Stoughton to Stockholm Samba (Wilczewski)
7. 13th Month (Smith)
HARVIE SWARTZ: URBAN EARTH 1985
g: Mike Stern, b: Harvie Swartz, ts: Bob Minzer, as: David Sanborn,
p: Ben Aronov, d: Victor Lewis, perc: Manolo Badrena
1. Sweet Walk (Swartz)
2. Falling (Swartz)
3. Pyramid (Swartz)
4. Until Tomorrow (Swartz)
5. The Duke (Brubeck)
6. Mother Ship (Swartz)
7. Round Midnight (Monk)
HARVIE SWARTZ: SMART MOVES 1986
g: Mike Stern, b: Harvie Swartz, as: Charlie Mariano, ts: John Stubblefield,
p: Ben Aronov, d: Victor Lewis, perc: Mino Cinelu
1. Smart Moves
2. Looking Back
3. Equinox (Coltrane)
4. Mexico
5. Secret Shuffle
6. My Romance (Rodgers/Hart)
MIKE STERN: UPSIDE DOWNSIDE March & April 1986
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, as: David Sanborn [3],
keyb: Mitch Forman [1-3,5,6], b: Mark Egan [1,3,5,6], b: Jeff Andrews [2],
b: Jaco Pastorius [4], d: Steve Jordan [4], d: Dave Weckl [1-3,5,6],
perc: Dr. Gibbs [1-3,5,6]
1. Upside downside (Stern)
2. Little shoes (Stern)
3. Goodbye again (Stern)
4. Mood swings (Stern)
5. After you (Stern)
6. Scuffle (Stern)
STEPS AHEAD: LIVE IN TOKYO 1986
g: Mike Stern, ts: Michael Brecker, vib: Mike Mainieri, b: Darryl Jones,
d: Steve Smith
Details unknown
BOB BERG: SHORT STORIES March 1987
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, as: David Sanborn [3], keyb: Don Grolnick,
keyb: Robby Kilgore [3], b: Will Lee, b: Jeff Andrews [4], d: Peter Erskine
1. Friday night at the Cadillac Club (Berg)
2. Words (Stern)
3. Kalimba (Berg)
4. Maya (Andrews)
5. Snakes (Berg)
6. The search (Stern)
MIKE STERN: TIME IN PLACE December 1987
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, ts: Michael Brecker [1,7], keyb: Jim Beard,
b: Jeff Andrews, d: Peter Erskine, perc: Don Alias, org: Don Grolnick [4]
1. Gossip (Stern)
2. Time in place (Stern)
3. Before you go (Stern)
4. No notice (Stern)
5. After all (Stern)
6. Four shades (Stern)
7. Chromazone (Stern)
BOB BERG: CYCLES June 1988
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, keyb: David Kikoski, keyb: Don Grolnick [4],
b: Jeff Andrews [4], d: Dennis Chambers, Uileann pipes: Jerry O'Sullivan [3]
1. Bruze (Stern)
2. Back home (Berg)
3. Pipes (Berg)
4. The diamond method (Grolnick)
5. Company B (Stern)
6. Mayumi (Stern)
7. So far so (Stern)
8. Someone to watch over me (Gershwin)
MIKE STERN: JIGSAW February 1989
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, EWI: Michael Brecker [5], keyb: Jim Beard,
b: Jeff Andrews, d: Peter Erskine [1,3,6,7], d: Dennis Chambers [2,4,5],
perc: Manolo Badrena [1,5]
1. Another way around (Stern)
2. Loose ends (Stern)
3. To let you know (Stern)
4. Jigsaw (Stern)
5. Chief (Stern)
6. Rhyme or reason (Stern)
7. Kwirk (Stern)
BOB BERG: IN THE SHADOWS 1990
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, keyb: Jim Beard, b: Lincoln Goines [1-3,6-8],
b: Will Lee [4,5], d: Dennis Chambers, tp: Randy Brecker [1]
1. In the shadows (Berg)
2. The crossing (Berg)
3. I thought about you (Van Heusen/Mercer)
4. Either or (Stern)
5. Stay that way (Stern)
6. Carry on (Beard)
7. Games (Berg)
8. Autumn leaves (Mercer)
ANDREA MARCELLI: SILENT WILL 1990
g: Mike Stern, g: Allan Holdsworth, ts: Bob Berg, ss: Wayne Shorter,
keyb: Mitch Forman, b: John Patitucci, perc: Alex Acuna, perc,d: Andrea Marcelli
1. Exit (Marcelli)
2. Silent will (Marcelli)
3. Final project (Marcelli)
4. Different moments (Marcelli)
5. Love remembered (Marcelli)
6. Three small dreams (Marcelli)
7. Everyday (Marcelli)
8. Lights (Marcelli)
MIKE STERN: ODDS OR EVENS 1991
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, keyb: Jim Beard, b: Anthony Jackson [2,4,6],
b: Lincoln Goines [1,3,5,8], d: Ben Perowsky [1,5,8],
d: Dennis Chambers [2-4,6], perc: Don Alias
1. Keys (Stern)
2. D.C. (Stern)
3. Common ground (Stern)
4. Odds or evens (Stern)
5. Seven thirty (Stern)
6. If you say so (Stern)
7. Sandbox (L. Stern)
8. Walkie talkie (Stern)
BOB BERG: BACK ROADS 1991
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, keyb: Jim Beard, b: Lincoln Goines,
d: Dennis Chambers [1-4,6-8], d: Ben Perowsky [5], perc: Manolo Badrena
1. Back roads (Berg)
2. Travellin' man (Berg)
3. Silverado (Berg)
4. When I fall in love (Young/Hayman)
5. American gothic (Berg)
6. Dreamer (Stern)
7. Nighthawks (Berg)
8. Love letters (Young/Hayman)
DIETER ILG: SUMMERHILL may 1991
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, tp: Randy Brecker [1-4,6,7], keyb: Jim Beard,
b: Dieter Ilg, d: Peter Erskine
1. It's getting better (Ilg)
2. Springfever (Ilg)
3. The shadows of the fall (Ilg)
4. Summerhill (Ilg)
5. All childrens love song (Ilg)
6. Somersault (Ilg)
7. Under the skin of the earth (Ilg)
MIKE STERN: STANDARDS 1992
g: Mike Stern, ts: Bob Berg, keyb: Gil Goldstein, tp: Randy Brecker,
b: Jay Anderson, b: Larry Grenadier [6,11], d: Al Foster, d: Ben Perowsky [6,11]
1. Like someone in love (Van Heusen/Burke)
2. Source (Stern)
3. There is no greater love (Symes/Jones)
4. L Bird (Stern)
5. Moments notice (Coltrane)
6. Lost time (Stern)
7. Windows (Corea)
8. Straight no chaser (Monk)
9. Peace (Silver)
10. Jean-Pierre (Davis)
11. Nardis (Davis)
BUNNY BRUNEL: DEDICATION september/october 1992
g: Mike Stern, p: Bill Childs, p: Chick Corea [10], b: Bunny Brunel,
d: Vinnie Colaiuta
1. Fall (Shorter)
2. Falling grace (Swallow)
3. Dolphin dance (Hancock)
4. Pinocchio (Shorter)
5. Song for Bill & Eddie (Brunel)
6. Stella by starlight (Young/Washington)
7. Pebble beach (Brunel)
8. Relaxin' at Camarillo (Parker)
9. Someday my prince will come (Churchill/Morey)
10. Twelve bars for lieberstraum (Corea)
BRECKER BROTHERS: RETURN OF THE BRECKER BROTHERS 1992
g: Mike Stern [1,2,4,8-11], ts: Michael Brecker, tp: Randy Brecker,
g: Dean Brown [2,5,11], as: David Sanborn [2], keyb: George Whitty,
keyb: MAZ [3,7], b+keyb: Max Risenhoover [1,2,6,8],
b: Armand Sabel-Lecco [1,6], b: Robby Kilgore [3,7], b: Will Lee [9],
b: James Genus [4,7,8,10,11], ds: Dennis Chambers [4-6,8-11],
perc: Bashiri Johnson [4], perc: Don Alias [8,9,11]
1. Song for Barry (M. Brecker)
2. King of the lobby (M. Brecker)
3. Big idea (R.+M. Brecker)
4. Above & below (R. Brecker)
5. That's all there is to it (R. Brecker)
6. Wakaria (What's up) (M. Brecker)
7. On the backside (R.+M. Brecker)
8. Sozinho (alone) (R. Brecker)
9. Spherical (M. Brecker)
10. Good gracious (R. Brecker)
11. Roppongi (R. Brecker)
MIKE STERN: IS WHAT IT IS 1994
g: Mike Stern, ts: Michael Brecker [1,2,5], ts: Bob Malach [7-9],
keyb: Jim Beard, b: Will Lee [1-5,7-9], b: Harvie Swartz [6],
d: Dennis Chambers [1-5], d: Ben Perowsky [6-9]
1. Swunk (Stern)
2. A little luck (Stern)
3. What I meant to say (Stern)
4. Showbiz (Stern)
5. Believe it (Stern)
6. Wherever you are (Stern)
7. Ha ha hotel (Stern)
8. Signs (Stern)
9. 55 Dive (Stern)
HARVIE SWARTZ: IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT
g: Mike Stern, b: Harvie Swartz, d: Winard Harper
+ John Scofield, Mick Goodrick, Leni Stern, Gene Bertoncini,
Leon Parker, etc.
1. Alone together
2. Softly, as in a morning sunrise
3. Sunnymoon for two
(Further details unknown)
BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS: LIVE AND IMPROVISED 1992 or 1993
Details unknown
BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS:
Details unknown
MICHAEL BRECKER: DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME
Details unknown
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Trvlomania
writes:
Who are some good women jazz musicians?
> Marian McPartland, Willow Creek LP, recorded on Concord Jazz Records. I love
all of her piano renditions but one of my favorites is--"The Things We Did Last
Summer."
Genie Baker
... Geri Allen, Carla Bley, Eliane Elias....
This was a thread a few months back; seems like people came up with
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Gary Allen P000
I'm a relatively new jazz listener. The jazz CD's/tapes I own are:
Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane, The Best of the Bird: Charlie Parker,
and Miles Davis' Kind of Blue. I am a guitarist and I have found Miles'
CD extremely rewarding and inspirational. I'd like to buy more jazz, and I'd
like some suggestions from rmb users as to what to buy considering that
I am a guitarist and am more rock oriented. Fusion would probably be the
best route for me: I really like Freddie Hubbard's album Red Clay, and
I'm interested in hearing about Miles' Bitches Brew before I buy it. I realize
this message has no formal theme but hopefully there's some portion of it which
will motivate someone to reply. Maybe some questions will help. Reply to
any which you find interesing:
How is Bitches Brew? Should I buy it?
What other fusion albums are considered classics?
Who do you recommend in the fusion genre of jazz?
Who are some good women jazz musicians?
I'd also like to hear some personal stories from other guitarists who have
been inspired either by jazz guitarists or, more interestingly,
non-guitarist jazz musicians.
***********************************************
I also am a guitarist. Everything that has been suggested thus far
are all excellent choices, but feel that most of the music suggested
so far represent the jazz side of fusion and not really the more
rock-commerical oriented side of things. Here are some more
rock oriented type of stuff that has a commerical appeal to them.
Lee Ritenour - has some great 70s and 80s fusion type stuff.
Captain Fingers - great funky fusion
Captain Journey - more rock-jazz oriented
Sugarloaf Express - features guitaris Eric Gale great jammin
Rit - great commerical stuff, has some good vocals
Dave Sanborn - some great R&B stuff here
Hideaway - features Marcus Miller bass, Hiram Bullock on guitar
Voyeur - more funky appeal
As We Speak - my favorite Sanborn release
Jeff Lorber - funky R&B
Private Lover - great vocals
Step By Step
Matter of Fact
Here some excellent types of fusion with less commerical appeal.
Wayne Shorter - Phantom Navigator
Jack DeJohnette - Parallel Realities
Weather Report - Heavy Weather
Here is some things I've checked out lately and can highly recommend
Mick Goodrick - Biorhythms
Robben Ford - The Blue Line
Marcus Miller - The Sun Doesn't Lie
my two cents.
--
Gary
Bravo, tango !!
Bravo, tango !!
Gary Allen P000
Cassandra Wilson, Michelle Roseman ..
Vijay S. Iyer
Hello -- I am posting a reply to the original query without reading the rest
of the thread, but I just thought that I'd offer you some suggestions that
may lead you away from "the genre known as fusion" and towards music that
begins to transcend genre. I'm sorry if these suggestions appear in other
posts. You expressed an interest in electric jazz, so I'll offer some
favorites of mine:
anything by Ornette Coleman's Prime Time (especially _Dancing In Your Head_,
_Body Meta_, and _In All Languages_ which also features the historic
acoustic quartet)
anything by Henry Threadgill's Very Very Circus (especially _Too Much Sugar
for a Dime_; also check out Thread's latest _Song Out Of My Trees_,
which uses guitars in interesting ways)
anything by Ronald Shannon Jackson's Decoding Society (lots of distorted
guitar, but very "tasteful" in my opinion)
Sonny Sharrock -- I don't know much about his discography but I really love
_Ask The Ages_, which isn't very typical of his music but is still
great. Maybe someone else can help.
Steve Coleman and M-BASE -- the most visceral & exciting album is the latest,
_The Tao of Mad PHAT_, recorded live and featuring David Gilmore on
guitar.
For female musicians, check out Geri Allen (a GREAT pianist who's been with
Oliver Lake's Jump Up, the M-BASE crew, and is now with Ornette, and
has a host of great albums under her own name), Marilyn Crispell
(another great pianist who's performed in Anthony Braxton's
quartet for a while and also has led her own groups), and drummers
Teri Lynne Carrington (sp?) and Cindy Blackman, and also pianist
Michele Rosewoman, and also guitarist Emily Remler...
I'm sure you'll also get plenty of posts about Metheny/Scofield/Stern,
Miles/Wayne/McLaughlin, etc. Go ahead and buy _Bitches Brew_, but don't
let anyone tell you that jazz stopped evolving in the 70s because it just
isn't true.
Cheers,
Vijay Iyer
vi...@physics.berkeley.edu
Elliot E. Kallen
Sonny Sharrock goes, let's not forget his excellent work with one of the
best bands of the past decade: Last Exit. C'mon, a group made up of the
likes of Peter Brotzman, R.S. Jackson. Bill Laswell, and Sharrock is at
least worth a mention...
Two albums of theirs to check out: The Noise of Trouble (live in Tokyo)
and Iron Path (studio stuff).
If this intrigues you, the album Low Life is another must-hear. It
features Laswell and Brotzman in some extremely intense pieces. Not for
the meek...
-Elliot
ATodd
writes:
As a relative newcomer to the world of jazz myself (I just recently got a job
at a jazz radio station...) I would highly recommend you check out a book by
John Fordham entitled: Jazz: History-Instruments-Musicians-Recordings. It's
published by Dorling Kindersley, Ltd. It has a pretty extensive discography and
interesting bio's on most of the influential artists from pre-1900 to the
present, not to mention it looks pretty damn good on the coffee table.
Also, you MUST check out John McLaughlin's stuff with the Mahavishnu Orchestra
(The Inner Mounting Flame, I think it's called)...wicked LP featuring one of my
favorite drummers of all time in Billy Cobham.
In the grand scheme of things, I am but a waifling...nonetheless, I hope you
find this stuff helpful and interesting.
Later,
'Drew
Oren H. Levine
|> >In article <2r4bq7$n...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, tomb...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas Ford
|> >Brown) writes:
|> >
|> >> > Who are some good women jazz musicians?
|> >>
writing, arranging), and who can forget Billie...
-Oren
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John Dresslar
T>PeterS) writes:
T>Who are some good women jazz musicians?
T>> Marian McPartland, Willow Creek LP, recorded on Concord Jazz
T>Records. I love all of her piano renditions but one of my favorites
T>is--"The Things We Did Last Summer."
Can't fault that choice. What about Jessica Williams? She's one of the
great interpreters of Monk, even if she does look like your 6th grade
teacher.
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* CMPQwk 1.4 #605 * Jazz isn't for everybody; it's better than that!
karen jurgens
: In article <2r7jt6$m...@search01.news.aol.com>, afcp...@aol.com (AFC PeterS)
: writes:
Carla Bley, Joanne Brackeen, Myra Melford, Irene Schweizer,
Marilyn Crispell, Toshiko Akioshi, Geri Allen, Mary Lou Williams, Lil
Hardin, Melba Liston, Lindsay Cooper, Dorethy Donegan....
That's off the top of my head.... I *know* there's a lot more
kj
John Temmerman
(:drum...@phantom.com), writes, on good female jazz musicians,
KJ>That's off the top of my head.... I *know* there's a lot more
Jane Ira Bloom plays a fine Soprano Sax.
..joHN
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> In a post on "Help me discover jazz", Karen Jurgens
> (:drum...@phantom.com), writes, on good female jazz musicians,
Nina Simone. Check out "Little Girl Blue" on Bethlehem, available
on CD.Recorded in the late 50s. Always knew she was a fine singer.
Didn't know she *cooked* on piano too!
Charles Douglas Ferris
But to me, the greatest woman jazz musician and one of the most important jazz
musicians in the history of the music is Billie Holiday.
Listen to her late 30's early forties stuff.
Jerry LeBlanc
>
>In article <1994May14.014047.110524@drew> khe...@drew.drew.edu writes:
>
>>Who are some good women jazz musicians?
>
I like Stacy Rowles, daughter of Jimmy and resident of L.A.
and
Joanne Brackeen, piano
but I've never caught her live.
--
Regards,
Jerry LeBlanc (714) 952-6711
. o c ,
Vincent E. Kargatis
Well, this thread seems to be straggling on, so... The following is
assuredly incomplete (I know of several new women "on the scene", but I
haven't sompiled them in yet.) Please send any names not included to me
and I will gladly add them in and post the entire list again.
=====
NON-VOCALIST WOMEN IN JAZZ
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Irene Aebi violin, cello, voice
Toshiko (Mariano) Akyoshi piano, composer, arranger, bandleader
Alive improvising women's quintet from S.F.
Geri Allen piano
Lil (Hardin) Armstrong piano
Dorothy Ashby harp
Lovie Austin blues piano
Cindy Blackman drums
Carla Bley piano, organ, composer, arranger, bandleader
Jane Ira Bloom soprano sax, electronics
Karen Borca bassoon, bass clarinet
Georgie Born Voice, Keyboards (see FIG)
Joanne Brackeen piano
Patti Bowen piano
Carolyn Brandy percussion
Jane Bunnett soprano/alto saxes
Teri-Lynne Carrington drums
Connie Carruthers (sp?) piano (Tristano disciple)
Alice MacLeod Coltrane piano, harp
Joanne Connor blues guitar/bass
Lindsay Cooper saxes, keyboards etc.
Marilyn Crispell piano
Barbara Dennerlein organ
Lorraine Desmarais piano, synths
Dottie Dodgian drums
Barbara Donald trumpet
Dorothy Donegan piano
Candy Dulfer saxophone
Eliane Elias piano
Sue Evans percussion
FIG Feminist Improvising Group, Brits
org. by Lindsay Cooper
Sue Foley blues guitar
Eileen Folson cello (see Uptowns)
Rebecca Coupe Franks trumpet
Lori Freedman bass clarinet (Vancouver)
Sharon Freeman french horn, composer/arranger
Terry Garthwaite blues guitar
Lorraine Geller piano
Jane Getz piano
Barbara Higbie piano, guitar, violin etc.
Jutta Hip piano
Robin Holcomb composer, piano, synths
Maartje ten Hoorn violiN
Shirley Horn piano, organ
Margie Hyams vibes, piano
Petra Ilyes bass guitar
International Sweethearts of 40's women's band
Rhythm
Terry Jenoure violin
Justine reincarnation of Wondeurbrass from Montreal
Jin Hi Kim komungan (Korean koto)
Katerina Krimsky piano
Joelle Leandre bass
Marilyn Lerner piano (Winnipeg)
Melba Liston trombone, arranger
Ellen MacIllwaine blues guitar
Karen Mantler keyboard, harmonica
Marilyn Mazur drums/percussion
Tania Maria piano
Marian McPartland piano
Myra Melford piano
Naomi Millender cello
Memphis Minnie blues guitar
Ikue Mori electronic/acoustic percussion
Kathryn Moses flute, saxes
Diedre Murray cello (the instrument of the 90's)
Amina Claudine Myers piano, organ
Zeena Parkins electric harp
Annette Peacock composer, guitar, keyboards
Pauline Oliveros accordian/electronics
Mary Osbourne guitar
Elvira Plenar piano
Queen Ida zydeco accordian
Vi Redd alto sax
Emily Remler guitar
Maxine Roach viola [see Uptowns]
Annemarie Roelofs trombone, violin
Carolyn Romberg saxes
Michelle Rosewoman piano
Renee Rosnes piano
Stacy Rowles trumpet
Ann Rupel (Curlew) bass
Saffire-Uppitty Blues Women blues trio (now duo)
Jane Sapp blues piano
Maud Sauer oboe
Irene Schweizer piano
Shirley Scott organ
Melissa Slocum bass
LaDonna Smith violin
Valaida Snow trumpet
Leni Stern guitar
Peggy Stern piano
Co Streiff alto sax
Barbara Thompson English reeds player, leads Paraphernalia
June Tyson violin
Uptown String Quartet women's string quartet
Mariette Rouppe van der Voort alto sax
Katie Webster blues/cajun piano
Kate Westbrook tenor horn
Annie Whitehead trombone
Jessica Williams piano
Mary-Lou Williams piano, composer, arranger
Wondeurbrass women's improvising quintet from Quebec
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AFC PeterS
(John Dresslar) writes:
> T> In article <2r7jt6$m...@search01.news.aol.com>, afcp...@aol.com
> T> (AFC PeterS) writes: Who are some good women jazz musicians? >
> T> Marian McPartland, Willow Creek LP, recorded on Concord Jazz
> T> Records. I love all of her piano renditions but one of my
> T> favorites is--"The Things We Did Last Summer."
>
> Can't fault that choice. What about Jessica Williams? She's one
of
> the great interpreters of Monk, even if she does look like your 6th
> grade teacher.
Um, none of what you have attributed to me there is anything that I
wrote. Please be a tad more careful with the attributions. Thanks. :)
That said, I happen to like Jessica Williams quite a bit.
Peter Stoller
Krista Page
Aviation_ album is great, very brainy and engaging. And don't miss
any chance you get to hear her in person. She's a great live
performer.
Krista.
coates
On Friday last I heard Al Grey and his septet at Fat Tuesdays. On tenor
played Virginia Mayhew (sp?), the first woman I've seen playing as
side"man" in a NYC club gig. Tho she was clearly nervous and seemed
relieved to finish up her solos, she wasn't playing it safe, jumping
between registers, switching between Prez-like behind the beat phrasing
and slightly hoarse whiskey voicing. She warmed up through the first
set, busting a reed during one of her more active solos, and generally
holding her own with the solid older players (Al Grey and Eddie Burke on
trombone, Norman Simmons on piano and Ben Brown on bass) as well as with
a younger Grey, Mike, whose solos were like Virginia's more adventurous.
Can anyone tell me anything about Virginia? Background, recordings, etc.?
jcciv
Gordon McGonigal
:
:On Friday last I heard Al Grey and his septet at Fat Tuesdays. On tenor
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kimberly armstrong
I'm relatively new to the group, so bear with me if I'm re-asking
already answered questions.
I'm a student, working in Saratoga for the summer. I'm am researching
the topic 'Women as leaders in Jazz.' (also blues, gospel) The end
product of my research will be a published article, and then
eventually a class for Skidmore College. (BTW, I am collaborating with a
faculty member.) I am both a student of music and business, so this
topic is of particular interest to me.
My questions are general right now, as I'm only at the beginning of my
work, but I can think of no better forum to offer this to -
1 - What defines a leader in jazz, blues?
2 - What women have been especially successful in jazz?
I'll get more specific later, and would be happy to compile my
research for this newsgroup.
Any insights you have would be especially helpful.
Kim Armstrong
Skidmore College
karm...@skidmore.edu
Russ Button
>coa...@is.nyu.edu (coates) writes:
>:
>:Can anyone tell me anything about Virginia? Background, recordings, etc.?
Yeah. I know Ginny. She lived in San Francisco a few years ago and moved
to New York to "learn the trade". I'm sorry to hear that she's still nervous.
She started out years ago as a legit clarinet player. Getting over stage
fright is a difficult thing. Some people never have it, some people grow
out of it, and some people never seem to get away from it at all.
Now if you want to hear a truly AWESOME woman tenor player, look for the
name Lisa Pollard. She lives here in the San Francisco area and has worked
with the heaviest players in the business - Duke Ellington, Ray Brown, Red
Holloway... a wonderful musician!
Russ Button
Thomas Ford Brown
In article <1994May31....@scott.skidmore.edu> karm...@scott.skidmore.edu (kimberly armstrong) writes:
>
>I'm a student, working in Saratoga for the summer. I'm am researching
>the topic 'Women as leaders in Jazz.' (also blues, gospel) The end
>product of my research will be a published article, and then
>eventually a class for Skidmore College. (BTW, I am collaborating with a
>faculty member.) I am both a student of music and business, so this
>topic is of particular interest to me.
Not too many years ago a local band leader in (I believe)
the Pacific NW died, and people were shocked to find that
he was actually a woman who had been passing as a man for years.
Some people seemed to think that this might have been for
career reasons, in that a woman would have had a harder
time leading a jazz band. She went by the first name of
Billy, but the last name escapes me at the moment....
Keith Hedger
The name was Billy Tilton or Tipton or something like that. There is
an all female group called the 'Billy Tipton Memorial Sax Quartet'. I
think you can get their CD from Wayside.
keith
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Carlo Dade
: In article <1994May31....@scott.skidmore.edu> karm...@scott.skidmore.edu (kimberly armstrong) writes:
: >
: >I'm a student, working in Saratoga for the summer. I'm am researching
: >the topic 'Women as leaders in Jazz.' (also blues, gospel) The end
: >product of my research will be a published article, and then
: >eventually a class for Skidmore College. (BTW, I am collaborating with a
: >faculty member.) I am both a student of music and business, so this
: >topic is of particular interest to me.
While not half as interesting as TF Brown's story (Tom, that was that
story true? Sounds like you're yanking our chain out here) there is a
female band leader here in DC name of Candece deBartolo who has put together a
group/concept called
too much sax, a rotating collection of sax players with a rythm section.
The group has had Buck Hill, Paul Carr, Ron Holloway, and others on sax
and Michael bowie and, I think, even Ketter Betts on bass.
Anyway she'd be a great person to talk to about the business, working with
men etc, and even some good stories about other women players, ie RC
Franks. Actually Franks would be a good story. How the h** this woman
ever got a record contract is beyond me. Seems that being a female can
hurt and it can help, in the novelty sense.
Ken McCarthy
> My questions are general right now, as I'm only at the beginning of my
> work, but I can think of no better forum to offer this to -
> 1 - What defines a leader in jazz, blues?
> 2 - What women have been especially successful in jazz?
A leader is the person who gets the group together, gets the gigs,
deals with the club owners, pays the expenses, and pays the band. I
remember a friend of mine bitching about a bunch of young musicians
who were calling themselves leaders when in reality there were just
celebrities who never took responsibility for the care and maintenance of
a working group of musicians. They just went from gig to gig with
makeshift groups.
I can't even begin to imagine how tough it is to keep a
group of musicians together over a number of years, especially in the
jazz world where the money is so tight. Anyone that pulls it off is
a wizard on many, many levels: economic, artistic, psychological. People
who have been successful leaders over the long haul are pretty rare, but
they're also responsible for some amazing music ex. Duke Ellington, Count
Basie, Miles Davis, Ornette Coleman.
Off hand I can't think of any women jazz musicians who could be
classified as leaders under this definition. I'm sure there are some, none
come to mind just now.
There are many excellent singers who have their own trios and pianists. They
could be counted as leaders. I think the key is the leader isn't just
fronting a group but is the force that keeps a particular
group of musicians together in order to develop a vision of the music.
It is much harder to be a jazz band leader today compared with say the
30s or 40s because there is barely a fraction of the live music
opportunties that existed then. As for the scarcity of woman band
leaders, imagine the kind of environments and people band leaders had to
deal with and you'll realize it was not a very attractive or physically
safe career choice.
As for artistic leaders, probably the greatest woman jazz musician was
Billy Holiday. Her voice was her instrument and she had a big influence
over the sound of jazz. Horn players *loved* her and learned a lot
from her phrasings. There have been many, many fine woman musicians.
Marc Sabatella
> A leader is the person who gets the group together, gets the gigs,
> deals with the club owners, pays the expenses, and pays the band.
Not necessarily; those roles are often filled by the personal manager, business
manager, and/or agent; the "leader" in an established group may have to do none
of those things. Even in a group without external managers or agents, often a
group member other than the leader is responsible for some of these.
In my experience, the leader sets the musical direction for the group, often
deciding what pieces to play or doing the bulk of the arrangements, and usually
driving any changes that take place - including changes in personnel.
--
Marc Sabatella
ma...@sde.hp.com
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All opinions expressed herein are my personal ones
and do not necessarily reflect those of HP or anyone else.
Ken McCarthy
> Ken McCarthy wrote:
> > A leader is the person who gets the group together, gets the gigs,
> > deals with the club owners, pays the expenses, and pays the band.
> Not necessarily; those roles are often filled by the personal manager, business
> manager, and/or agent; the "leader" in an established group may have to do none
> of those things. Even in a group without external managers or agents, often a
> group member other than the leader is responsible for some of these.
> In my experience, the leader sets the musical direction for the group, often
> deciding what pieces to play or doing the bulk of the arrangements, and usually
> driving any changes that take place - including changes in personnel.
Of course, this is absolutely correct. In wanting to stress the very
important extra-musical responsibilities the leader has, I
completely passed over the musical ones.
About agents, managers, etc., they may execute the chores, but it falls upon
the leader to guide and handle these people too, replacing them when
necessary.
The key is the leader is the one, who in addition to the musical
vision, is the one who is ultimately responsible for keeping the
physical reality of the band happening.
There are few "leaders" in the old sense of the word. Few people
who make the commitment or have the extraordinary ability to keep a
band of players together long enough for something extra-special to come
into being. It's a lot easier to "front" a band of interchangeable
sidemen but there is a world of difference between "fronting" and
"leading".
People like Ellington, and let's not forget Sun Ra & co., did something
remarkable by holding together units of tremendously talented
musicians for long periods of time under conditions that were
anything but favorable. I think they deserve special recognition for that
which is why I agree with my "old school" jazz drummer friend that
"leader" is a title of extreme honor (at least in the jazz world) that we
might consider reserving for musicians who go beyond "fronting" bands.
Sue Raul
Toshiko Akioshi
India Cooke
Michelle Rosewoman
Geri Allen
Jessica Jones
Angela Wellman
sue
Rusty Trainham
: Hi all -
: 1 - What defines a leader in jazz, blues?
: 2 - What women have been especially successful in jazz?
1 - A leader is someone with compositional, arrangement, or organizational
(i.e., training new artists) skills. Good women examples are Mary Lou
Williams, Carla Bley, Betty Carter, Shirley Horn, Abbey Lincoln, and
Amina Claudine Myers.
2 - What do you mean by successful? Recognition by peers, by critics, by
the public, or financial gain? On the one hand Mahalia Jackson was
successful, as was Bessie Smith, or Sarah Vaughan, Billie Holliday, Ella
Fitzgerald, etc. On the other hand are Joanne Brackeen, Jane Ira Bloom,
Jay Clayton, Toshiko Akioshi, Meredith Monk, Linda Sharrock, Gerri Allen.
By other criteria are Candi Dulfer, Cindy Blackman, Barbara Thompson,
Flora Purim, etc.
Jazz has a rich history of women artists. They do not occupy the pantheon
in as great a number as male artists probably because the majority are (or
have been) vocalists, and jazz places a premium on instruments. Your best
preparation for your report is to find a good jazz record library and lose
yourself in it. Listen to everything and try not to concentrate too heavily
on any one style or epoch. You will find connections between women and men,
between swing and free, between post-bop and world music. You will hear
the influence of popular music on jazz and the influence of jazz on popular
music. Write your report on women in jazz and blues, but do not restrict
your listening thus. You will be missing out on too much.
Elliot E. Kallen
that have already been listed:
Jessica Williams
Jane Ira Bloom
Marilyn Crispell
Myra Melford
Carla Bley
-Elliot
DAR...@scs.unt.edu
>From: eekt...@crl.com (Elliot E. Kallen)
>Subject: Re: Women in Jazz
>Date: 4 Jun 1994 19:29:58 -0700
>-Elliot
Emily Remler. In the tradition of Joe Pass, Jim Hall, Herb Ellis. She's dead,
but there are 8 recordings, including two anothologies.
Darren
Sam Hokin
karm...@scott.skidmore.edu (kimberly armstrong) writes:
>>
>>I'm a student, working in Saratoga for the summer. I'm am researching
>>the topic 'Women as leaders in Jazz.' (also blues, gospel) The end
>>product of my research will be a published article, and then
>>eventually a class for Skidmore College. (BTW, I am collaborating with a
>>faculty member.) I am both a student of music and business, so this
>>topic is of particular interest to me.
She's not big-time, but Julie Wood (alto/tenor) leads a quartet under her
name in Milwaukee. Might be a good person to talk to on your topic.
Sam Hokin ho...@juno.physics.wisc.edu
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>In article <2srdb6$1...@crl3.crl.com> eekt...@crl.com (Elliot E. Kallen) writes:
>>From: eekt...@crl.com (Elliot E. Kallen)
>>Subject: Re: Women in Jazz
>>Date: 4 Jun 1994 19:29:58 -0700
>
>>Didn't catch the beginning of this thread so excuse me if I repeat names
>>that have already been listed:
>>Jessica Williams
>>Jane Ira Bloom
>>Marilyn Crispell
>>Myra Melford
>>Carla Bley
>but there are 8 recordings, including two anothologies.
Mary Osbourne. Played guitar for the CBS oschestra in the 50's. Original
Grestch endorser (Country Club, White Falcon), showing that some people
*were* daring enough to use the White Falcon for jazz!
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Drummin1
own with the best of them . She is on a new album along with Jack
DeJohnette and has a solo album out as well. She is a Yamaha endorser
and is probably the best female drummer I know of (there aren't too
many unfortunately). Clark Bennett
Kate M Armstrong
Don't forget two good Canadians currently not in Canada;
Renee Rosnes
Jane Bunnett.
Kevin McNeilly
reference material there is a very good book, a history of women in jazz,
called _Stormy Weather: The music and lives of a century of jazzwomen_ by
Linda Dahl, published in 1984 by Quartet Books. It covers, fairly
generally but with significant detail, 1890-1980, and adds some
focused bios (6-10 pp., roughly) of contemporary women leaders in jazz,
including Carla Bley, Melba Liston (trombonist/arranger), Sheila Jordan,
many others. It seems a shame that this is even a big question. the names
of some very significant women musicians ought to be prominent for
everyone. Maybe I can add a few to the list--I'm not sure how exhaustive
you want to be or what your focus is. Mary Lou Williams is a major
historically-significant instrumentalist, a huge influence on many
subsequent players.
Check into any of the following names for things happening today:
Irene Schweizer, Joelle Leandre, Lindsay Cooper, Maggie Nicols, Lorraine
Desmarais, Robin Holcomb, Cassandra Wilson, Abbey Lincoln, Betty Carter,
Barbara Dennerlein, Karen Borca, Deidre Murray, Sharon Freeman, Amina
Claudine Myers, Maxine Roach, Zeena Parkins, Nana Simopoulos, Leni Stern,
Terry Jenoure, Norma Winstone, Jeanne Lee, the list goes on. All this in
addition to names people have already mentioned. There are many more.
These names are close to some of my taste, which isn't very
straightahead. Other people can probably point you in other directions.
Recordings by all of these women ought to be pretty easily available.
Kevin
TigerDog
how about Toshio Akioshi (sp?) She's been around for years, and quite
influential in both big-band and small group settings. and Barbara
Thompson? Great composer/arranger.
TigerDog
writes:
sorry about the "dresler" attribution. It's a bug in the AOL newsgroup
interface which attributes new comments to the person who sent the first
message, not the reply. certainly, the comments about Toshiko Akioshi are
mine, not m. dresslar's.
CLPEN
although they haven't been mentioned beforehand: Sheryl Bailey (guitar),
Kit Mc Clure (band leader and horn player) Lee Pilser (sax.) Sheryl has
traveled to Japan with both Kit's band and with Gary Thomas (sax player.)
She also teaches at Towson State University and recently traveled to
Russia with the faculty jazz ensemble. Sheryl also played on Ivan Smart's
_RED NIGHTS_ cd. If you get the chance please check her out.
Terry Lavender
: Here on the East Coast are some very talented female jazz musicians,
I haven't been following this thread, so forgive me if someone has already
mentioned her, but here in Toronto we have a great
saxophonist/flautis/composer named Jane Bunnett. I'd especially recommend
her "Live at Sweet Basil's" and "Spirits of Havana" albums.
-- T.J. Lavender
Toronto
Joe Erker
|> CLPEN (cl...@aol.com) wrote:
|> : Here on the East Coast are some very talented female jazz musicians,
|> : although they haven't been mentioned beforehand: Sheryl Bailey (guitar),
|> : Kit Mc Clure (band leader and horn player) Lee Pilser (sax.) Sheryl has
|> : traveled to Japan with both Kit's band and with Gary Thomas (sax player.)
|> : She also teaches at Towson State University and recently traveled to
|> : Russia with the faculty jazz ensemble. Sheryl also played on Ivan Smart's
|> : _RED NIGHTS_ cd. If you get the chance please check her out.
|>
Speaking of East Coast woman jazz musicians, I was really impressed by a
Manhattan-based pianist named Patty Bown (sp?). I first saw her at a
memorial service for Dexter Gordon in Harlem, so I guess this was about
four years ago. There were many good musicians there, but I thought that
she was the best of them. I told her this afterward, and she promptly
took down my address so as to get me on her mailing list. I saw her later
that year at Birdland, but haven't heard anything about her since. Has
anyone out there seen/heard her perform?
And speaking of New York based musicians, can anyone clue me in on
the doings of Ken McIntyre (even though he's not a woman)?
Peace
Joe (er...@math.arizona.edu)