Down Beat / Elvin Jones
McMahon
My dad seems to remember reading an interview in Down Beat in which Elvin
Jones discussed the era's (late 60's) "great" rock drummers... Mitch
Mitchell, John Bonham, Ginger Baker, etc.
Any help is appreciated... I wish there were Downbeat archives online!
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Murph
Jack Lefton
>Murph
>
Elvin did have a "drum battle" with Baker. I don't remember the details, but
I think they each used the same band. Jones went into it with little respect
for Baker, but came out with a lot.
Jack Lefton
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Michael Fitzgerald
wrote:
>Elvin did have a "drum battle" with Baker. I don't remember the details, but
>I think they each used the same band. Jones went into it with little respect
>for Baker, but came out with a lot.
If I recall correctly, Joachim Berendt mentions this in the early
1970's version of "The Jazz Book" - unfortunately, I've lent 2 copies
of this out and had them disappear. Now I'm stuck with the 1962
version only. But that book would be a good place to find commentary
on the rock players like Mitchell, Baker and Moon in a jazz light.
Mike
Simon Weil
>>Elvin did have a "drum battle" with Baker. I don't remember the details, but
>>I think they each used the same band. Jones went into it with little respect
>>for Baker, but came out with a lot.
>
>If I recall correctly, Joachim Berendt mentions this in the early
>1970's version of "The Jazz Book" - unfortunately, I've lent 2 copies
>of this out and had them disappear. Now I'm stuck with the 1962
>version only. But that book would be a good place to find commentary
>on the rock players like Mitchell, Baker and Moon in a jazz light.
>
"Ginger Baker did with rock rhythms what Art Blakey did with Bop rhythms in his
"orgy in Rhythm": he "Africanizes" them. Especially from this point of view, it
was interesting to witness a drum "battle" between Blakey and Baker at the jazz
festival in conjunction with the 1972 Olympics in Munich. Although most of the
youthful audience had been lured by Baker's name, the "battle" was decided in
Blakey's favor according to majority opinion. The musicians and most of the
critics present agreed and it was proven at this very juncture that jazz
rhythms are still more complex, rich and many-faceted than rock rhythms - even
when they are in the hands of so excellent a drummer as Baker."
p298-9
Simon Weil
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"McMahon" <baadmoon@fla$h.net> wrote:
I wish there were Downbeat archives online!
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> Murph
>
I really wish there were a Downbeat archives online, too. It would be very
great as a reference.
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Jack Woker
> Jones discussed the era's (late 60's) "great" rock drummers... Mitch
> Mitchell, John Bonham, Ginger Baker, etc.
I remember a Blindfold Test in which Elvin was played several rock
drummers. I don't think Bonham was known yet, but the list did include
Ginger Baker, whom he put down, and Keith Moon, who impressed him a lot.
jack
jb...@or219a.e1.iit.edu
I recall Elvin and Baker getting into a public flame war once, with Elvin
saying "they should make him an astronaut so we could lose his ass" about
Baker, and Baker saying, "Elvin was ok until he started playing that no-time
shit". Then they had a drum battle somewhere, and after that, they
were friendly and complimentary towards each other.
Jeff
Matt Snyder
wrote:
>I remember a Blindfold Test in which Elvin was played several rock
>drummers. I don't think Bonham was known yet, but the list did include
>Ginger Baker, whom he put down, and Keith Moon, who impressed him a lot.
> jack
Anyone know what he thought of Mitch Mitchell? He always sounded to
me like the rock drummer from that era most influenced by Elvin.
Matt Snyder
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McMahon
>Anyone know what he thought of Mitch Mitchell? He always sounded to
>me like the rock drummer from that era most influenced by Elvin.
Matt,
Yeah, that's exactly my reason for asking. Mitchell is without a doubt my
favorite drummer, and I'd heard he cited Elvin as his primary influence
since he began drumming. I'm dying to hear what Elvin thinks as, now that
I've gotten into 'Trane, he's right up there with Mitch on my list.
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Murph
Brian Rost
In article <19990103152120...@ng101.aol.com>, simo...@aol.com
wrote:
>a drum "battle" between Blakey and Baker at the jazz
>festival in conjunction with the 1972 Olympics in Munich. Although most
>of the
>youthful audience had been lured by Baker's name, the "battle" was decided
>in
>Blakey's favor according to majority opinion
The ITM Ginger Baker release "The Album" actually has a recording of this drum
duel, if you want to judge for yourself....
Brian
"The older you live the less you're dead"