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So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him.
And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms
'Cause we don't know where we come from
We don't know what we are.
Laurie Anderson, "Ramon"
I heard this morning. She passed away at her house from complications of
diabetes at the age of 78. The news had little in tribute to this
collosal jazz legend. Shame. We should all get tapes and tune in to our
favorite jazz stations who will undoubtably be interviewing musicians
who worked with her, and playing her treasured recordings. I had the
honor of seeing Ella in the 1970's and she was breathtaking. We are all
blessed by her talents.
Goodbye Ella.
Ben S. (I am not dry eyed.)
IF you are in the San Francisco Bay Area, KCSM (91.1FM) will be playing Ella's
music all weekend in tribute. Tee Carson hosted yesterday morning's show and
shared many of his personal experiences of the great lady of American Song. Ella
may be gone, but she will never be forgotten.
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>I heard this morning. She passed away at her house from complications of
>diabetes at the age of 78. The news had little in tribute to this
>collosal jazz legend. Shame. We should all get tapes and tune in to our
>favorite jazz stations who will undoubtably be interviewing musicians
>who worked with her, and playing her treasured recordings. I had the
>honor of seeing Ella in the 1970's and she was breathtaking. We are all
>blessed by her talents.
>
>Goodbye Ella.
>
>Ben S. (I am not dry eyed.)
The passing of this great lady is truly a cryin' shame. Man, I don't know
what to say...she was simply amazing. My mother played Ella records all
the time whan I was growing up. That ruined me for other singers! Nobody
could compare to her!
ED
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Coincidences. 2 days ago I played for the first time in ages
"Ella and Oscar", one of my favourite albums.
We'll miss her.
Victor.
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>It is indeed unfortunate that every
>story I have heard about her death still places her first "hit",
>"A Tisket, a Tasket", a recording that she was not particularly fond of,
>as her greatest hit.
I played a gig on Sunday, at which the musicians wanted to play a song
as a tribute to Ella, but for shame, the only song we could think of that
was strongly associated with Ella and nobody else was that bit of fluff.
She just was not known for *introducing* songs. Someone came up with
"Mack the Knife" and I observed that in her version of that song, she made
pointed verbal reference to the Louis Armstrong and Bobby Darin versions.
We had to settle for playing songs that we had heard her do, knowing that
the audience would not make the connection.
A great loss, and another jazz immortal that I never had the opportunity
to see in person. The last time she was in the Bay Area that I recall,
the ticket prices were way out of my range! Same with Sinatra, so I guess
that's what happens when you reach "living legend" status.
GM
>Coincidences. 2 days ago I played for the first time in ages
>"Ella and Oscar", one of my favourite albums.
Speaking of coincidences, on Thursday I was scouring the shelves at a local
used CD place, trying to pick an Ella disc, and asked a friend "Is she
still alive?" He suspected not, but I had a feeling she was. I left with
a copy of The Best of the Song Books and was playing it minutes before I
turned on the radio and heard her on WJAZ with Louis Armstrong, and then
heard the news. Talk about a weird feeling.
This disc is actually only my second Ella disc, the other being an MCA
"Best of" I picked up in the UK, completely on a whim. I don't have a huge
budget (otherwise I think I'd have gone for the 16-disc Songbooks set
already), but I'd like to add to the "collection." High on my priority
list is the live Mack the Knife disc. I've also heard a track or two from
the Birthday Concert, so I'm intrigued by that. Does anyone have any
particular favorites they could recommend? Since I'm picking things up
slowly, I'd like to get the the best recordings first, and add other things
later as money allows. I do _not_, however, want to exist solely in
collection CDs, unless there's a reason to do so.
Anyway, I'd love some suggestions, if anyone has any. Also, are there any
concert videos available?
>We'll miss her.
Indeed we will.
Nancy
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On 17 Jun 1996, Nancy Elizabeth Norbeck wrote:
> already), but I'd like to add to the "collection." High on my priority
> list is the live Mack the Knife disc.
Go for it. "Mack the Knife--Ella in Berlin" is some of her best work,
particularly if you like her scatting and the wonderful way in which she
interacted with live audiences. The various songbooks showcase her
balladry (although there is some excellent ballad work on "Mack.")
Steve Robinson
Seattle
God bless Ella for all she brought to us,
Mel
> I heard this morning. She passed away at her house from complications of
> diabetes at the age of 78. The news had little in tribute to this
> collosal jazz legend. Shame. We should all get tapes and tune in to our
> favorite jazz stations who will undoubtably be interviewing musicians
> who worked with her, and playing her treasured recordings. I had the
> honor of seeing Ella in the 1970's and she was breathtaking. We are all
> blessed by her talents.
>
> Goodbye Ella.
>
> Ben S. (I am not dry eyed.)
Although we all knew it was inevitable, her passing affected me deeply. She
was (and will continue to be) a huge influence and inspiration to me. She was
an exemplary musician with grace and integrity.
My first response was to get on rmb, only to find that my news server wasn't
updated ALL WEEKEND! The TV news coverage was pathetic (I don't get cable) --
dry stories read by unaffected newscasters. One station interviewed two
singers to get their opinion: Vanessa Williams and Michael Bolton! Michael
Bolton!?!?!?!? In all of New York City I guess they just couldn't find a jazz
singer!
My saving grace was WBGO which seemed to play nothing BUT Ella for about 36
hours; I felt part of a community in mourning.
The last time I saw her was in the late 80s at one of the Radio City concerts.
Even though she had to be helped on to the stage and could barely see, she
still sang and scatted in her inimitable style.
What a lady.
laurie
Here is an interesting story about the making of "Mack the Knife" in
Ella's own words. Excerpts from an obituary from the Voice of America
(capitals original):
[quote]
TAPE: CUT 4 MUSIC -- "MACK THE KNIFE" (FROM "ELLA IN BERLIN")
TAPE SEGUES TO ELLA FITZGERALD TALKING (WITH MUSIC BED UNDER)
ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT -- WE WERE GOING TO
GERMANY AT THAT TIME, AND WE OPENED THAT NIGHT IN
BERLIN, AND THE MAN KEPT SAYING, DO YOU KNOW 'MACK
THE KNIFE?' WE HAD HEARD THE RECORD, AND WE
REALLY DIDN'T HAVE (AN ARRANGEMENT) OF THAT, AND I
HAD ONLY TRIED TO DO IT ONCE BEFORE IN MINNEAPOLIS
AT A CLUB, AND I NEVER THOUGHT ANYBODY WOULD ASK
ME FOR IT. SO THIS NIGHT, NORMAN (GRANZ) SAYS,
'WELL, CAN YOU DO IT?' AND I SAID WELL, WE'LL
JUST FAKE IT LIKE WE DO SOME OF THE SONGS. WE
JUST KEPT GOING, AND IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE I DIDN'T
KNOW ALL THE LYRICS AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO DO
THE THINGS WE DID. IT JUST CAME AT THE RIGHT TIME
AND JUST HIT AT THE RIGHT TIME."
[unquote]
Full text is found at:
gopher://gopher.voa.gov:70/00/newswire/sat/ELLA_FITZGERALD%232
Thank you, Ella. We'll never forget you and your great music.
Masa
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"Strange how potent cheap music is." - Noel Coward
That song makes me think of Sammy Davis.
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>> > One song that always makes me think of Ella was That Old Black Magic
>> >...nobody could swing it like she did.
>
>> That song makes me think of Sammy Davis.
>
>Jackie and Roy.
>
Well, this illustrates my point. People strongly associate this song with
Sammy Davis, or Jackie and Roy, or Tiny Grimes, or Louis Prima, or that
guy who kept making his voice croak (what was his name? something Williams?
but he did have a chart hit with it) or whoever else... Ella did a beautiful
version of the song, but it's not "hers". She was a superlative interpreter
of existing songs, but she didn't introduce them or have chart hits with them.
A song I associate with Ella? "Miss Otis Regrets" from the Cole Porter
Songbook. But probably that makes more people think of Jose Feliciano
than Ella...
GM
> How about Stairway To The Stars? I believe that was her theme at one
>time.
I didn't know that - very nice tune, written by M. Malneck and included
in his score for the movie "Some Like It Hot", so for me the song is
forever associated with Marilyn Monroe. I'm not kidding. I first heard
it on a Henry Mancini LP, but when I saw Marilyn seducing Tony Curtis in
the movie, the song became hers.
I appreciate everyone's response to this question: please don't interpret
my remarks as flippant. I truly wish there were something we could use as
Ella's anthem, that would strike a response in an audience. I'm just
afraid there isn't any one song that'll do it.
GM
> I appreciate everyone's response to this question: please don't interpret
> my remarks as flippant. I truly wish there were something we could use as
> Ella's anthem, that would strike a response in an audience. I'm just
> afraid there isn't any one song that'll do it.
Maybe the closest you can get (outside the tisket thing) is How High The Moon,
but I do see what you're saying. Personally, I associate her most with Mack
The Knife, but then, I've never to my knowledge heard the Bobby Darin version.
>
> I appreciate everyone's response to this question: please don't interpret
> my remarks as flippant. I truly wish there were something we could use as
> Ella's anthem, that would strike a response in an audience. I'm just
> afraid there isn't any one song that'll do it.
>
> GM
hmm - didn't Ellington write something about or for Ella? Unfortuately
I'm at work and not where my cd collection is - but I remember something
on an album of his that had to do with her. Not that an audience would
neccessarily pick up on it (unless it's titled with her name...)
Favorite Ella cd: The Intimate Ella. Also love the Sings the Blues.
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> A song I associate with Ella? "Miss Otis Regrets" from the Cole Porter
> Songbook. But probably that makes more people think of Jose Feliciano
> than Ella...
>
Oh, what a great song. Do you have any particular recording of Ella
doing this tune in mind Gary?
Ben S.
> GM
Hmmmm. Well, what do you expect from the damned media!?
Mark
It makes me think of a Cole Porter anecdote in which "Miss Otis regrets
she's unable to lunch today" is the punchline.
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>>
>>A song I associate with Ella? "Miss Otis Regrets" from the Cole
>>Porter Songbook. But probably that makes more people think of Jose
>>Feliciano than Ella...
>
>It makes me think of a Cole Porter anecdote in which "Miss Otis
>regrets she's unable to lunch today" is the punchline.
I don't think we've all heard the anecdote, Tom. Let's hear it.
jack
> Maybe the closest you can get (outside the tisket thing) is How High The Moon,
> but I do see what you're saying. Personally, I associate her most with Mack
> The Knife, but then, I've never to my knowledge heard the Bobby Darin version.
Oh yeah, also those alternate lyrics to "Bewitched". Last time I asked, I
don't think there was a definitive answer on whether those were unique to her
arrangement.
Those are Larry Hart's lyrics. There's a longish discussion of them in
the book "The Poets of Tin Pan Alley."
- JRB
Yes, it's on the Verve Ellington Songbook CD. Don't remember the title
either, but I just saw it the other day.
- JRB
> In <4qc12q$2...@fcnews.fc.hp.com> ma...@sde.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
> writes:
> >Oh yeah, also those alternate lyrics to "Bewitched".
> Those are Larry Hart's lyrics. There's a longish discussion of them in
> the book "The Poets of Tin Pan Alley."
Is Larry someone different from Lorenz, and could you perhaps tell us a little
of the story? Were they part of an original production of a Broadway show and
then ignored by other singers, or added later, or what?
For those who haven't heard them, I am referring to the second verse in which
Ella gets a little more graphic about just how bewitched she is, and then a
third verse in which she ultimately dumps the guy.
> For those who haven't heard them, I am referring to the second verse in which
> Ella gets a little more graphic about just how bewitched she is, and then a
> third verse in which she ultimately dumps the guy.
>
I'm not familiar with Ella's version, but I've heard other singers do lyrics
which sound like what you're referring to. They must be Lorenz (Larry) Hart's.
The published version of the song has three verses and a reprise, which appears
at the end of the show.
The second verse includes:
I'll sing to him, each spring to him
And worship the trousers that cling to him.
The reprise has:
Wise at last, my eyes at last,
Are cutting you down to your size at last--
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered no more.
Hart was a lyrical genius, IMHO.
Michael
mdc...@ucdavis.edu
>>Maybe the closest you can get (outside the tisket thing) is How High The Moon,
>>but I do see what you're saying. Personally, I associate her most with Mack
>>The Knife, but then
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned "Stompin' at the Savoy,"
one of Ella's show closers when she toured the JATP series.
That song, more than any other, says "Ella."
-tim
For me it is definitely Stompin' at the Savoy - I've always felt that Ella recorded the
definitive versions of this.
Ron Santen
Marc Sabatella wrote:
> Maybe the closest you can get (outside the tisket thing) is How High The Moon,
> but I do see what you're saying. Personally, I associate her most with Mack
> The Knife, but then, I've never to my knowledge heard the Bobby Darin version.
I just got this week's copy of Newsweek, which has a nice 2-page spread on
Ella, and they mention "A Tisket, A Tasket", "How High the Moon", and
"Mack the Knife". Good calls, Marc.
GM
>my remarks as flippant. I truly wish there were something we could use as
>Ella's anthem, that would strike a response in an audience. I'm just
>afraid there isn't any one song that'll do it.
I don't think you're being flippant, and I think that you have a good
point. That leads me to ask...what would be considered Sarah Vaugn's
theme? Or Carman McCrae's, for that matter.
Keith Saunders
Yes, Larry is Lorenz. "Bewitched" was written by Rodgers & Hart in 1940
or 1941 for "Pal Joey," the last show they did together. "Bewitched"
was introduced on the stage by Vivienne Segal. Read pages 123-24 of
"The Poets of Tin Pan Alley," by Philip Furia (Oxford, 1990). As Furia
notes, the Hart lyric has been bowdlerized over the years by most
singers to make it a romantic love song, not a jaded one.
- JRB
> >I truly wish there were something we could use as
> >Ella's anthem, that would strike a response in an audience. I'm just
> >afraid there isn't any one song that'll do it.
>
> I don't think you're being flippant, and I think that you have a good
> point. That leads me to ask...what would be considered Sarah Vaugn's
> theme? Or Carman McCrae's, for that matter.
There are actually many musicians we could say this about. A lot of them are
vocalists, to be sure, but a lot of instrumentalists as well. Dexter Gordon
comes to mind. I don't think it is a bad thing, but perhaps artists should
think about this as an issue in building a reputation. Of course, it's likely
to backfire, as you'll get requests for that tune until the day you day. How
many times has Dave Burbeck played "Take Five" over the course of his life?
And it isn't even his tune.
Last night I got a request for a Manhattan Transfer tune. This is perhaps the
ultimate example of a group of musicians known more for re-creations than for
anything of their own (though, to be sure, they *do* have original material).
I ended up doing "Joy Spring", but I wasn't sure if that was one of theirs or
it was Rare Silk.
Another great song (off the same album) is "Let's Fall In Love". In fact, the
entire album is fantastic. A must have.
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> I don't think you're being flippant, and I think that you have a good
>point. That leads me to ask...what would be considered Sarah Vaugn's
>theme? Or Carman McCrae's, for that matter.
>
I think both are more real possibilities, oddly enough. For Sarah Vaughan,
there would be a few chart hits she had in the '50s, "Broken Hearted Melody"
and "Whatever Lola Wants" -- plus a lot of people associate "Send In the
Clowns" with Sarah rather than Judy Collins. Carmen would be harder, but
on one live album of hers, I can hear some drunk calling out for her to
sing "Just a Little Loving" (as in "early in the morning, beats a cup of
coffee for starting out the day"). I also associate a song called "I'm
Always Drunk in San Francisco" with Carmen, but then I live in the Bay
Area...
Gary
How about "You'd Be So Nice to Come Home To"? It's always worked for me.
Arminius