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Murphy McMahon

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Tower (no I don't work for them) is selling OJC CD's for $9.99 right now so
I figured I'd bulk up my collection by a few titles. Does anyone have any
sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's? I included a list of all the
OJC's I have -- I know I must be missing a few very big ones. Thanks for any
rec's.

--
Murph

Cannonball Adderley Quintet In San Francisco [Riverside]
Jaki Byard Experience [Prestige]
John Coltrane: Afro Blue Impressions [Pablo Live]
Relaxin' With The Miles Davis Quintet [Prestige]
Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet [Prestige]
Workin' With The Miles Davis Quintet [Prestige]
Steamin' With The Miles Davis Quintet [Prestige]
Eric Dolphy At The Five Spot, vol. 1 [New Jazz]
The Duke Ellington Carnegie Hall Concerts Jan. '43 [Prestige]
Duke Ellington: The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse [Fantasy]
Booker Ervin: The Freedom Book [Prestige]
Booker Ervin: The Space Book [Prestige]
Bill Evans Trio: Waltz For Debby [Riverside]
Tommy Flanagan Trio: Overseas [Prestige]
Roland Kirk With Jack McDuff: Kirk's Work [Prestige]
Prince Lasha/Sonny Simmons: Firebirds [Contemporary]
Yusef Lateef: Into Something [Prestige/New Jazz]
Abbey Lincoln: Abbey Is Blue [Riverside]
Charles Mingus: Town Hall Concert [Jazz Workshop]
Thelonious Monk: Plays Duke Ellington [Riverside]
Thelonious Monk: Monk's Music [Riverside]
Thelonious Monk Quartet: Misterioso [Riverside]
The Thelonious Monk Orhcestra At Town Hall [Riverside]
Wes Montgomery: Incredible Jazz Guitar [Riverside]
Oliver Nelson: Screamin' The Blues [New Jazz]
Phineas Newborn, Jr.: Harlem Blues [Contemporary]
Art Pepper Meets The Rhythm Section [Contemporary]
Dizzy Reece: Asia Minor [New Jazz]
McCoy Tyner: Sahara [Milestone]


Steve Mack

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Murphy McMahon wrote:

> Tower (no I don't work for them) is selling OJC CD's for $9.99 right now so
> I figured I'd bulk up my collection by a few titles. Does anyone have any
> sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's? I included a list of all the
> OJC's I have -- I know I must be missing a few very big ones. Thanks for any
> rec's.

A few OJC albums I've always loved that I didn't see on your list:

Thelonius Monk: Brilliant Corners
This was Monk's breakthrough album, and with good reason. Monk plays with Sonny
Rollins, Oscar Pettiford, and Max Roach.

Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane
The title speaks for itself.

Gene Ammons: Boss Tenor
One of the best tenor albums ever, with 'Canadian Sunset' and what my teacher,
Mario Escalera, calls "the definitive version" of 'Confirmation'.

Charles Mingus: Mingus at the Bohemia
Great session with Max Roach, Mal Waldron, and George Barrow (a very underrated
tenor player, I think).

Booker Ervin: Song Book
I think this is the best of Booker's "Book" albums.

Junior Mance Trio: Happy Time
A groovy trio album with Ron Carter and Mickey Roker.

--
Smack

"Good jazz is when the leader jumps on the piano, waves his arms, and yells.
Fine jazz is when a tenorman lifts his foot in the air. Great jazz is when he
heaves a piercing note for 32 bars and collapses on his hands and knees. A pure
genius of jazz is manifested when he and the rest of the orchestra run around
the room while the rhythm section grimaces and dances around their instruments."
-Charles Mingus

Michel Forest

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Murphy McMahon wrote:

> Tower (no I don't work for them) is selling OJC CD's for $9.99 right now so
> I figured I'd bulk up my collection by a few titles. Does anyone have any
> sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's? I included a list of all the
> OJC's I have -- I know I must be missing a few very big ones. Thanks for any
> rec's.

If you like Art Pepper, I suggest some of his later work for Galaxy. Try "Winter
Moon", an album with strings but, for once, it's not commercial or corny, it's
an absolutely beautiful album and Pepper is clearly delighted to play with an
orchestra. Also, "Landscape" and "Roadgame" are very good.

Also, I might be a good idea to get the Dolphy albums at the 5 spot you don't
have, "At the Five Spot vol. 2" and "Eric Dolphy/Booker Little Memorial Album".

Wes Montgomery: "Full House"

"Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants", featuring the famous Miles/Monk
incident...

Sonny Rollins "Tenor Madness", title track features the only meeting of Sonny
and Coltrane.

"Kenny Burrell and John Coltrane"

Sonny Criss "This is Criss"

Zoot Sims "If I'm Lucky"


DSGTRANE

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One of my favorite discoveries of the past five years, Sonny Criss "Birth Of
The New Cool"

David Gartner
dsgt...@aol.com

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Here's an additional baker's dozen for your list:

OJC-031 Adams, Pepper '10 to 4 at The 5 Spot'
OJC-297 Ammons, Gene 'Boss Tenor'
OJC-087 Baker, Chet 'Chet'
OJC-247 Dolphy, Eric 'At The Five Spot', vol. 2
OJC-353 Dolphy, Eric 'Memorial Album' ['At The Five Spot,' vol. 3]
OJC-140 Evans, Bill 'Sunday at the Village Vanguard'
OJC-420 Hawkins, Coleman 'Night Hawk'
OJC-305 Monk, Thelonious 'At The Blackhawk'
OJC-103 Monk, Thelonious 'In Action'
OJC-301 Monk, Thelonious / Mulligan, Gerry 'Mulligan Meets Monk'
OJC-169 Pepper, Art 'Getting Together'
OJC-176 Pepper, Art 'Smack Up'
OJC-337 Rollins, Sonny 'Way Out West'

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Before you buy.

Tom Walls

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In article <8fnbe9$7t8$1...@nntp3.u.washington.edu>, luvt...@u.washington.edu
says...

>
>Tower (no I don't work for them) is selling OJC CD's for $9.99 right now so
>I figured I'd bulk up my collection by a few titles. Does anyone have any
>sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's? I included a list of all the
>OJC's I have -- I know I must be missing a few very big ones. Thanks for any
>rec's.
>
>--
>Murphy]

snip

>Booker Ervin: The Freedom Book [Prestige]
>Booker Ervin: The Space Book [Prestige]

How do you like the Booker Ervins?

--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/


Tom Walls

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In article <20000514204827...@ng-cn1.aol.com>, dsgt...@aol.com
says...

A hearty "me too"! Special thanks to Dave Royko for turning me on to Sonny
Criss -- a phenomenal alto player!

Tom Walls

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Check out Lucky Thompson's "Lucky Strikes" a quartet with Connie Crothers,
Richard Davis, and Hank Jones(which I just happened to be listening to). Also
I really like Monk's "Thelonius in Action" with a marvelously(IMHO)
over-the-top Johnny Griffin.

Steve Emerson

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Tom Walls wrote:
>
> In article <8fnbe9$7t8$1...@nntp3.u.washington.edu>, luvt...@u.washington.edu
> says...
> >
> >Tower (no I don't work for them) is selling OJC CD's for $9.99 right now so
> >I figured I'd bulk up my collection by a few titles. Does anyone have any
> >sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's? I included a list of all the
> >OJC's I have -- I know I must be missing a few very big ones. Thanks for any
> >rec's.
> >
> >--
> >Murphy]
>
> snip
>
> >Booker Ervin: The Freedom Book [Prestige]
> >Booker Ervin: The Space Book [Prestige]
>
> How do you like the Booker Ervins?

Not sure how he likes them, but I think they contain most of the
greatest playing Ervin ever did.

SE.

Steve Emerson

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Murphy McMahon wrote:
>
> Tower (no I don't work for them) is selling OJC CD's for $9.99 right now so
> I figured I'd bulk up my collection by a few titles. Does anyone have any
> sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's? I included a list of all the
> OJC's I have -- I know I must be missing a few very big ones. Thanks for any
> rec's.

Besides the remaining Monk titles (and in particular these: Brilliant
Corners -- one of his greatest -- and The Unique Thelonious Monk -- a
tremendous trio date), I'll offer a few others:

Coleman Hawkins: At Ease with... This is a magnificent, late date with
mostly ballads, where he fronts the Red Garland trio. I don't know of
any saxophone playing I like better.

Zoot Sims: I Wish I Were Twins. One of his many remarkable late
collaborations with Jimmy Rowles. Sims is a master of the very first
caliber and this is one of his best. It is, though, weakened somewhat by
Akira Tana's too-predictable drumming. Warm Tenor, from the same period,
is also superb and has the much more interesting Mousey Alexander on
drums. But I don't think it's OJC.

Red Garland: Groovy. From the Miles years, and the best of his trio
dates. Delightful.

SE.

Marc Neville

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Here are a few OJC's which, for me, still separate themselves from the pack.
(commentary taken from Fantasy's website www.fantasyjazz.com )

George Russell - "Ezz-thetics" - OJC 70
George Russell is listed in the Encyclopedia of Jazz as "composer, piano,
educator" and all of these are accurate descriptions of this dynamic musical
revolutionary. But in the early Sixties he also spent some exciting years as
a band leader, presenting his Lydian and pan-tonal concepts in action and
helping vitally in the rise to prominence of two significant innovators of
the period: Eric Dolphy and Don Ellis. Both men play major roles in this
1961 album by probably the best of Russell's small groups, which includes
one of Dolphy's most lasting celebrated recorded efforts--his astonishing
bass clarinet solo on the Thelonious Monk classic, "'Round Midnight."

Cannonball Adderly & Bill Evans - "Know What I Mean?" - OJC 105
Adderley and Evans played together for nearly a year in one of the most
significant units in contemporary jazz: the 1958 Miles Davis Sextet. It was
a vital formative period for both men, followed shortly in each case by
tremendous individual success. This memorable 1962 reunion was Cannonball's
idea; the group is completed by the rhythm-support half of the Modern Jazz
Quartet: Percy Heath and Connie Kay. In a remarkable display of their
musical range and sensitivity, the buoyant Adderley and introspective Evans
move effortlessly toward a middle ground that shows both to great advantage.

Max Roach - "Deeds, Not Words" - OJC 304
Max Roach's only album as a leader for Riverside was recorded late in 1958,
with one of his most unusual bands. From 1954, when he began his memorable
partnership with Clifford Brown, Roach had worked with two-horn lineups that
included Harold Land followed by Sonny Rollins on tenor sax and, after
Brown's tragic death, Kenny Dorham on trumpet. This "New Quintet" had an
outstanding tenorman in George Coleman, and a youthful trumpeter--Booker
Little--who seemed well on his way to the stature of Brown and Dorham until
his untimely death. In addition, the use of Ray Draper's tuba as either a
third horn or third rhythm instrument provided this briefly-existing group
with a rare opportunity for variety.

Shelly Manne - "At the Blackhawk, Vol. 1" - OJC 656
Among Shelly Manne's recordings, the five volumes that came out of three
nights in 1959 at San Francisco's Black Hawk occupy a special place in his
discography. The drummer recorded copiously during the Fifties with the band
he called Shelly Manne & His Men, but this was the first time they had been
captured on tape in a club, with commercial release in mind. His Men were
joined for the Black Hawk dates by pianist Victor Feldman, and the group
caught fire in a series of performances so consistent that Contemporary
released not just the one album contemplated, but four and, ultimately, a
fifth, Volume 1 contains the remarkable waltz, "Blue Daniel," and a
blistering performance of Tadd Dameron's "Our Delight."

Sonny Criss - "Sonny's Dream (Birth of the New Cool)" - OJC 707
The subtitle of this album, "Birth of the New Cool," was meant to call
attention to the similarity in instrumentation between this band and the
legendary Miles Davis Nonet; but the Sonny Criss Orchestra has a style all
its own. The compositions and arrangements of Horace Tapscott are bold,
highly rhythmic, and a passionate match for the intense leader, who played
soprano on record for the first time as well as his customary alto. The
music reveals Tapscott as a first-rank musician in far more than the
avant-garde style with which he is usually identified; and the impressive
band (including Conte Candoli, Teddy Edwards, and Tommy Flanagan)
contributes on the same inspired level as the writer and the leader. Not
just one of Sonny Criss's greatest achievements, Sonny's Dream is one of the
greatest albums of the Sixties, made even more precious with the inclusion
of two alternate takes.

Joe Henderson - "Joe Henderson In Japan" - OJC 1040
In the early 1970s jazz was not enjoying an explosion of popularity in the
land of its birth. In Japan, the story was different. The country's jazz
listeners came to the music full of appreciation that grows from deep
knowledge, and they knew Joe Henderson. No young modern jazz player had
created more excitement and interest in Japan. When he arrived for an
engagement in Tokyo at a club with the piquant name Junk Club, anticipation
was running high. Joining a local rhythm section, he rewarded his fans with
some of the most inspired performances of his career. According to the jazz
historian Bill Kirchner, Joe Henderson in Japan "is one of the handful of
records from the late Sixties and early Seventies to be studied like a
textbook by the most advanced young jazz musicians. It's that kind of a
record."


Of course, you may eventually end up getting all the Coltrane's, Davis',
Pepper's, Monk's, Rollins', Ervin's, etc... ;-)

Marc Neville
Studio City, CA
marcn...@worldnet.att.net


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> Tower (no I don't work for them) is selling OJC CD's for $9.99 right now
so
> I figured I'd bulk up my collection by a few titles. Does anyone have any
> sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's? I included a list of all
the
> OJC's I have -- I know I must be missing a few very big ones. Thanks for
any
> rec's.
>

> --
> Murph
>
> Cannonball Adderley Quintet In San Francisco [Riverside]
> Jaki Byard Experience [Prestige]
> John Coltrane: Afro Blue Impressions [Pablo Live]
> Relaxin' With The Miles Davis Quintet [Prestige]
> Cookin' With The Miles Davis Quintet [Prestige]
> Workin' With The Miles Davis Quintet [Prestige]
> Steamin' With The Miles Davis Quintet [Prestige]
> Eric Dolphy At The Five Spot, vol. 1 [New Jazz]
> The Duke Ellington Carnegie Hall Concerts Jan. '43 [Prestige]
> Duke Ellington: The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse [Fantasy]

> Booker Ervin: The Freedom Book [Prestige]
> Booker Ervin: The Space Book [Prestige]

Simon Weil

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>Murphy McMahon wrote:
>>
>> Tower (no I don't work for them) is selling OJC CD's for $9.99 right now so
>> I figured I'd bulk up my collection by a few titles. Does anyone have any
>> sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's? I included a list of all
>the
>> OJC's I have -- I know I must be missing a few very big ones. Thanks for
>any
>> rec's.
>
Steve Emerson replied:<snip>

>Zoot Sims: I Wish I Were Twins. One of his many remarkable late
>collaborations with Jimmy Rowles. Sims is a master of the very first
>caliber and this is one of his best. It is, though, weakened somewhat by
>Akira Tana's too-predictable drumming. Warm Tenor, from the same period,
>is also superb and has the much more interesting Mousey Alexander on
>drums. But I don't think it's OJC.

If you want to compare this with Rowles ?20 years earlier:

Ben Webster at the Renaissance

w. Jim Hall, Red Mitchell, Frank Butler

A quote in the sleevenote:
Ben listened to the tape of Georgia in this album, and when it finished there
were tears in his eyes. "Why can't I get to play like that anymore?"

You could buy almost unending quantities of these OJC releases and still not be
wasting your money, but this is one of my favourites. Webster plays bluesy and
soulful fantastic - Relatively early Rowles (1960) before his longish
hibernation. The band *cooks*.

Simon Weil


Simon Weil

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I wrote:
>A quote in the sleevenote:
>Ben listened to the tape of Georgia in this album, and when it finished there
>were tears in his eyes. "Why can't I get to play like that anymore?"
>
Gawd. WHAT a mistake. The quote goes:

Ben listened to the tape of Georgia in this album, and when it finished there
were tears in his eyes. "Why can't I get to play with guys like that anymore?"

Many apologies.

Simon Weil

Tom Walls

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In article <8fp05g$82i$4...@news01.cit.cornell.edu>, tw...@cornell.edu says...

>
>Check out Lucky Thompson's "Lucky Strikes" a quartet with Connie Crothers,
>Richard Davis, and Hank Jones(which I just happened to be listening to).

Whoops! Not Connie Crothers -- Connie Kay! Sheesh.

Murphy McMahon

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Surprised there's been no mention of the Art Pepper Village Vanguard
sessions. Marc?

--
Murph

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Murphy McMahon

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> >Booker Ervin: The Freedom Book [Prestige]
> >Booker Ervin: The Space Book [Prestige]
>
> How do you like the Booker Ervins?

I've loved the Freedom Book from the first time I played A Lunar Tune. The
rhythm section on that one just cooks... Space Book I just bought recently
and didn't like as much, initially... but just the other day I was playing
it and loving Mojo and the ballad before it. Ervin is dynamite. (It's so
fascinating to compare these two albums to other sax quartet albums from the
same time period -- Henderson's Inner Urge and Shorter's JuJu, for
instance.) But the wail of Booker's... man... Not sure I'd say these are his
best playing -- I think I'm partial to the live Mingus stuff (Antibes
especially, and also Mingus In Wonderland -- though Handy steals the show on
that one, for me).

--
Murph

Ralf Wacker

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Here we have OJCCD 044-2 aviable:
The Quintet: Jazz At Massey Hall
with "Charlie Chan", Dizzy, Bud, Max and Charlie.
Is it no OJC in the States, or why didn't anyone
mention it? (excuse if I overlooked it)
But I think nobody will contradict against
this recording on the recommendation list.

Ralf Wacker, Steinen, Germany
--------------------------------
today at the player:
Ketil Bjornstad / David Darling: Epigraphs - ECM
Stefon Harris: BlackActionFigure - Blue Note

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In article <8fnbe9$7t8$1...@nntp3.u.washington.edu>,

"Murphy McMahon" <luvt...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> Does anyone have any
> sessions on OJC that they feel are must-have's?

These come first to mind:

Sonny Rollins: Saxophone Colossus
Tour De Force
Way Out West
George Russell: Ezz-thetic


Thelonious Monk: with John Coltrane

Brilliant Corners
Alone in S.F.
Bill Evans: Sunday at the V.V.
Miles Davis: Bags' Groove
Mal Waldron: Quest
Eric Dolphy: Far Cry


The Quintet: Jazz At Massey Hall

MJQ: Django
Art Tatum: Group Masterpieces vol 8
Harold Land: Fox
Sonny Stitt: /Bud Powell /JJJohnson
Paul Gonsalves: Gettin' Together
Wynton Kelly: Kelly Blue

Of course,there are many more...

george

Steve Emerson

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Mentioning Rollins's Saxophone Colossus was a good idea. This is, of
course, one of the greatest records in the history of jazz.

SE.

Marc Neville

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I second that request for Waldron's "Quest"!
It has both Dolphy and Ervin!

Marc Neville
Studio City, CA
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Marc Neville

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"Murphy McMahon" <luvt...@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
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> Tom Walls <tw...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
> news:8fove3$82i$1...@news01.cit.cornell.edu...

> > >Booker Ervin: The Freedom Book [Prestige]
> > >Booker Ervin: The Space Book [Prestige]
> >
> > How do you like the Booker Ervins?

<snip>


>Not sure I'd say these are his best playing

<snip>

I would!
Although perhaps a smidgen less "soulful"...
Mingus had a way with his musicians.

Bruce LeClaire

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ap...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> "Murphy McMahon" <luvt...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> > Does anyone have any sessions on OJC that they feel
> > are must-have's?
>
> These come first to mind:
>
> Sonny Rollins: Saxophone Colossus
> Tour De Force
> Way Out West
> George Russell: Ezz-thetic
> Thelonious Monk: with John Coltrane
> Brilliant Corners
> Alone in S.F.
> Bill Evans: Sunday at the V.V.
> Miles Davis: Bags' Groove
> Mal Waldron: Quest
> Eric Dolphy: Far Cry
> The Quintet: Jazz At Massey Hall
> MJQ: Django
> Art Tatum: Group Masterpieces vol 8
> Harold Land: Fox
> Sonny Stitt: /Bud Powell /JJJohnson
> Paul Gonsalves: Gettin' Together
> Wynton Kelly: Kelly Blue
>
> Of course,there are many more...
>

This is a great list of course, as are all the other suggestions. Seems
to me that Murph (cinestudy too?) should buy out the entire selection at
Tower. Maybe we should only list the OJC titles that might be skipped
on first pass. Probably alot fewer of 'em.

BTW- does anybody else have the "Orginal Jazz Classics Collector's
Guide" (1995) paperback? It's a hundred page book with the rundown on
~200 classic jazz albums (includes color pictures of original artwork,
discographical info, occasional reviews). A good book to droll over, or
just look over.

--Bruce

Blue Lake

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This was recently sent to me via the MusicResource. Thought you might be
interested in the pricing of their OJC sale. L.Vega, Blue Lake Public Radio

We are having a Spring time Fantasy Original Jazz Classics CD Sale.

Every couple of days we will list an additional 10 classic titles on our
site with comments on each recording. The
sale price of $8.95 will be in affect for only a couple of days for each
batch of 10 recordings that we list, so be
sure to stop by often to see what new titles are on sale!

Stop by http://www.TheMusicResource.com/scripts/tab_jazz_fantasyojc.asp and
see what all the fuss is about.

Fantasy OJC CD sale price of $8.95 from TheMusicResource.com - regular price
$9.95, list is $11.98
CDNow & Amazon's price $11.49 - CDUniverse $9.97 - and EveryCD has gone out
of business.

We hope you enjoy these great prices and take advantage of this ongoing sale
to add to your collection of classic
jazz recordings.

Sincerely,

Jamey D. & Julia Aebersold
TheMusicResource.com & Double-Time Jazz
P. O. Box 146
Floyds Knobs, IN 47119
Ph 1.800.293.8528
Fax 812.923.1971
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http://www.themusicresource.com
http://www.doubletimejazz.com


DSGTRANE

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>BTW- does anybody else have the "Orginal Jazz Classics Collector's
>Guide" (1995) paperback? It's a hundred page book with the rundown on
>~200 classic jazz albums (includes color pictures of original artwork,
>discographical info, occasional reviews). A good book to droll over, or
>just look over.

I've got it. A friend of mine walked out of Tower with it for me, not
realizing it wasn't for free.

David Gartner
dsgt...@aol.com

Blue Lake

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So, was it inappropriate for me to forward this as it constitutes
commercialism? I thought because the original post mentioned a store and a
price that this might be competitive, etc. etc. and didn't intend to violate
any of the non-commercial rules of this sight. Lazaro Vega

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> BTW- does anybody else have the "Orginal Jazz Classics Collector's
> Guide" (1995) paperback? It's a hundred page book with the rundown on
> ~200 classic jazz albums (includes color pictures of original artwork,
> discographical info, occasional reviews). A good book to droll over,
or
> just look over.
>
> --Bruce


Does the "OJC Collectors Guide" note the sound quality of listed
CDs/LPs? Unfortunately, many classic performances are rendered by
Fantasy/OJC as unlistenable audio dreck. Sad, but true.

D Royko

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In article <20000517233022...@ng-fv1.aol.com>, dsgt...@aol.com

(DSGTRANE) writes:
>I've got it. A friend of mine walked out of Tower with it for me, not
>realizing it wasn't for free.

Good for him (and you). The idea that Fantasy was charging for their
advertising/promotional material is irritating anyway. I have a copy as well,
and the record store I got it from was giving it away (but I did notice that
the cover did have a price on it).

Dave Royko

Steve Bosarge

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DSGTRANE wrote

> > does anybody else have the "Orginal Jazz Classics Collector's
> > Guide" (1995) paperback? It's a hundred page book with the rundown on
> >~200 classic jazz albums (includes color pictures of original artwork,
> >discographical info, occasional reviews). A good book to droll over, or
> >just look over.
>

> I've got it. A friend of mine walked out of Tower with it for me, not
> realizing it wasn't for free.

David, I've got it, too, and it definitely is drool-worthy, which I think is
the meaning you intended because if you "droll over" it you're making fun of
it. :-)

Steve Bosarge
New Century Management Consultants
Consultants to the Music Industry since 1987

Steve Bosarge

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David!

As I hit the magic button to hurl my "droll-drool" missile into cyberspace,
I realized I inserted your name rather than that of the real poster. Please
accept my apologetic grin.

Steve Bosarge

Steve Bosarge <new-c...@mciworld.com> wrote in message
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Steve Bosarge

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Dave, my nose also was bent out of shape when I saw the $14.95 price printed
on the back cover, so I walked away on principle. Later, my daughter
returned to the store and presumably paid the price, then gave me the book
for my birthday.

Steve Bosarge

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> In article <20000517233022...@ng-fv1.aol.com>,
dsgt...@aol.com
> (DSGTRANE) writes:

> >I've got it. A friend of mine walked out of Tower with it for me, not
> >realizing it wasn't for free.
>

Bruce LeClaire

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ja...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Does the "OJC Collectors Guide" note the sound quality of listed
> CDs/LPs? Unfortunately, many classic performances are rendered by
> Fantasy/OJC as unlistenable audio dreck. Sad, but true.
>

Well, as David (G) and Dave (R) have pointed out, this nice little book
is essentially a promotional tool from Fantasy. There's nary a bad word
to be heard. So to answer your question, no, the sound quality isn't
listed.

(BTW- do you have a couple examples of performances that Fantasy really
fluffed?)

Still it's a nice little guide, and I got it before I was online and
discovered AMG. It has one thing that the Penguin is missing... color
artwork. But I agree that the original list price, $15, is way out of
line. I got my copy as a cut-out from Border's for $2. But you know,
only on the internet do you get stuff for free.

Here's a couple exerpts of the OJC Collector's Guide for a couple of my
recommendations (not mentioned in thread previously):

========================

Phineas Newborn, Jr. "A World of Piano!" (1961)

http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A144679

"Phineas Newborn earned praise and encouragment in the mid-1950's from
Count Basie, John Hammond and Ralph J. Gleason; his articulations,
virtuoisity, and creativity were in a class comparable only with ARt
Tatum or Oscar Peterson. The full scope of his gifts is apparent here,
with two different rhythm sections drawn respectively from the combos of
Miles Davis and Cannonball Adderley. His selection of material includes
works by Gillespie, Parker, Rollins, Clifford Brown, and most notably,
Billy Strayhorn, whose "Lush Life" he interprets with a rare and
poignant beauty."

>> 4 1/2 star "One of the most arresting jazz piano achievements in some time" --Pete Wielding, DB

========================

Clifford Brown "Memorial" (1953)

http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A159419

"In the Spring of '53 the late, lamented trumpet genius was a featured
soloist in Tadd Dameron's band. These recordings set the jazz world on
its ear and Brownie's fame spread beyond musicians' circles. In the
Fall he toured in France and Sweden with Lionel Hampton's orchestra,
capturing the jazz audience on the Continent and leaving a legacy of
excetptional recordings, including the ones heard here with Art Farmer
and the Swedish All-Stars."

========================

George Benson "The New Boss Guitar of George Benson" (1964)

http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=A135318

"Discounting a pair of vocals made when he was 11 yrs old, this is GB's
first recoding as a leader. In '64, he was sideman and rapiding
developing guitarist in the versatile combo or organist Jack McDuff, and
it is McDuff's band that backs Benson here. McDuff has been quoted as
saying that Benson was so raw when he hired him that although he could
play the blues, he didn't know any complete tune. By the time of his
album, Benson, the fast learner, had eliminated that deficiency, as can
be plainly heard in the two standards here. He still had some
developing to do, but he had become the peer of McDuff and the verteran
tenor saxophonist Red Holloway, quite an accomplishment for a young man
of 21".

[Yes, George used to play jazz.]

=======================

So, you can decide for yourself if these are informative, intelligent
promos or not.

--Bruce

SteveN327

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Sorry to hear that you folks (at least most of you) paid for the book. Best
Buy was giving them away a couple of years ago and I got my copy there. It's a
fun book, but I cna't imagine paying for a glorified catalog...

DSGTRANE

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>As I hit the magic button to hurl my "droll-drool" missile into cyberspace,
>I realized I inserted your name rather than that of the real poster. Please
>accept my apologetic grin.

No problem Steve. I've been mistaken for much worse! :)

David Gartner
dsgt...@aol.com

Thomas F Brown

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In article <392427E1...@mindspring.com>,

Bruce LeClaire <bw...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>George Benson "The New Boss Guitar of George Benson" (1964)
>
>"Discounting a pair of vocals made when he was 11 yrs old, this is GB's
>first recoding as a leader. In '64, he was sideman and rapiding
>developing guitarist in the versatile combo or organist Jack McDuff, and
>it is McDuff's band that backs Benson here. McDuff has been quoted as
>saying that Benson was so raw when he hired him that although he could
>play the blues, he didn't know any complete tune. By the time of his
>album, Benson, the fast learner, had eliminated that deficiency, as can
>be plainly heard in the two standards here. He still had some
>developing to do, but he had become the peer of McDuff and the verteran
>tenor saxophonist Red Holloway, quite an accomplishment for a young man
>of 21".

I think this record shows quite clearly that George was not yet a
peer of Red and Brother Jack. He's still in a formative stage here.

What's amazing is that a year or two later, he did have it all
together, and his albums with Ronnie Cuber and Lonnie Smith
show that he had made an amazing spurt of growth.

Michael Kelly

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On 19 May 2000 02:18:15 GMT, dsgt...@aol.com (DSGTRANE) wrote:

[snip]

I haven't followed all of this thread but having accumulated a few
OJC CDs over the years I was wondering about other's experience
with the new 20 bit issues. I would imagine they would be moving
to 24 bit soon too, no?

Just curious.

TIA


Mike

--

"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
-- Groucho Marx

Marc Neville

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"Murphy McMahon" <luvt...@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
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> Surprised there's been no mention of the Art Pepper Village Vanguard
> sessions. Marc?
>
> --
> Murph

Yeah. I have only "Thursday Night" and haven't listened to it for a few
years.
It's a good one, but perhaps not quite essential.

Two other late Peppers that I recommend are:

Art Pepper - "Living Legend" - OJC 408
Includes Lost Life, a ballad that almost brings tears to my eyes.

Art Pepper with Duke Jordan - "In Copenhagen 1981" - Galaxy 4201
Crystal clear and energetic live recording. Carl Burnett on drums is
fantastic.

Michael Kelly

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On Fri, 19 May 2000 16:06:43 GMT, "Marc Neville"
<marcn...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>"Murphy McMahon" <luvt...@u.washington.edu> wrote in message

>news:8fpgji$dm92$1...@nntp3.u.washington.edu...


>> Surprised there's been no mention of the Art Pepper Village Vanguard
>> sessions. Marc?
>>
>> --
>> Murph
>

>Yeah. I have only "Thursday Night" and haven't listened to it for a few
>years.
>It's a good one, but perhaps not quite essential.

I have the 4 CDs and if I remember right, the Friday night session
stands out, although they are all pretty good. From what I've heard
so far, it's tough to go wrong if George Cables is on piano.

>
>Two other late Peppers that I recommend are:
>
>Art Pepper - "Living Legend" - OJC 408
>Includes Lost Life, a ballad that almost brings tears to my eyes.

I agree LL is a real good Art Pepper. One of my favorite OJCs is
"Gettin' Together" with Wynton Kelly, Paul Chambers and Jimmy
Cobb rhythm section and Conti Candoli on trumpet. I liked this
one better than the "Meets the Rhythm Section" CD.

Another Pepper not OJC per se but on the Galaxy label is
Tokyo Debut. The 3rd track, "The Spirit is Here" is one of
those catchy tunes that's worth the price of the CD by
itself. It "gets in your body" as Miles would say. :)

Murphy McMahon

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Thomas F Brown <tomb...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote in message
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> What's amazing is that a year or two later, he did have it all
> together, and his albums with Ronnie Cuber and Lonnie Smith
> show that he had made an amazing spurt of growth.

What do you think of "Live!" w/ Brother Jack (McDuff as leader)?

--
Murph

Thomas F Brown

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In article <8g51he$dmao$1...@nntp3.u.washington.edu>,

I don't know that one. When was it recorded?


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