kENNY G HOLDS NOTE FOR 45 MIN UGH!
Joe Castleman
Last night on "Saturday Night Live," on "Weekend Update" they made mention
of Kenny G's longest-note-record. To paraphrase Norm McDonald: Kenny G
warned the audience that listening to him play one note for 45 minutes
would get boring. But in fact, listening to Kenny G play multiple notes
for 45 minutes is also boring.
In article <19971202074...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, nma...@aol.com
(NManku) wrote:
> That is quite amazing............I still think hes a prat
> Nmanku
> (shows how commercial he is)
--
Joe Castleman [to reply, remove "ANTISPAM" from address]
Gyrofrog Communications http://www.eden.com/~jcastle
Austin, Texas U.S.A.
"I was always frightened of strange people" --Andy Warhol
Ned Sled
what a bunch of sour grapes-the cat has a real pretty sound on tenor and
spits them lines out clean and quite soulful really. his hair and nose and
knowing smile is what pisses people off but hey man are you sayin u blow
better than him man cause most cats cant. ciao, ned the sled
James Clayton
As anyone who's read my posts will attest, I'm usually quick to defend
those artists oft dissed by the newsgroup, and Kenny G is all too often
dissed and dismissed just for spite.
HOWEVER... the statement that most cats can't blow better than Mr.
Gorelick is just BEGGING for flames.
I've defended Kenny for various reasons - acceptable ability, excellent
backup bands, well-produced albums, and top-notch self-marketing. But
the statement that he's better than most is just insulting to all too
many players. I'm far from "top of the pack" on my axe, but most of the
players I gig with could either match or blow away Kenny G.
His looks are the last thing I'd think of when I hear his name.
And once again I'll point out that Kenny G cannot be properly discussed
in the context of jazz. He is most certainly "instrumental adult
contemporary", or "instrumental pop", and as suchg, he's likely the king
of his genre. But to even specify his music as "contemporary jazz" is to
belittle the other artists in that genre that do take risks and
improvise heavily: Yellowjackets, Bob Berg, Pat Metheny.
(Please yell "fore" before flaming.)
Jim Clayton
p.s. If this was the start of another Kenny-baiting thread, then colour
me baited.
Justin Kennington
Grammar man, grammar.
john z
You got me Ned. Sound=pretty thin. You should probably get to know a
few players, you might be astounded a what a mere average saxophonist
can sound like. John Z.
Jack Woker
Ned Sled wrote:
>
> what a bunch of sour grapes-the cat has a real pretty sound on tenor and
> spits them lines out clean and quite soulful really. his hair and nose and
> knowing smile is what pisses people off but hey man are you sayin u blow
> better than him man cause most cats cant. ciao, ned the sled
His command of the idiom is about as solid as yours is of the written
English language.
jack :-)
H. Loess
Jack Woker <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> jack :-)
Jack, are you suggesting N.S. spent 45 minutes writing the above (admittedly
a possibility)?
--
Henry L.
hlo...@pipeline.com
Amos Omondi
Justin Kennington wrote:
Grammar man, grammar.
Indeed; grammar, man, grammar.
lotus_freak
On Tue, 09 Dec 1997 03:06:08 GMT, hlo...@pipeline.com (H. Loess)
wrote:
I dont think he's smart enough to have written it so quickly...
tst...@natsys.fr
In article <348C93...@blues.swing>,
Hmmm. I'd watch those semicolons if I were you! <g>
- Tom Storer
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john z
O.K, OK, OK I WAS WRONG -I used to squirm at the endless repeating 3
note licks and nanny goat uncontrolled soprano vibrato and mindless
little major melodies -but the guy is ACTUALLY BRILLIANT -He was never
trying to make music- just keeping himself amused twiddling his fingers
while preparing for this most glorious moment that could ever be- a note
for 45 min-WOW JohnZ.
Amos Omondi
tst...@natsys.fr wrote:
> Amos Omondi <r...@blues.swing> wrote:
> >
> > Justin Kennington wrote:
> >
> > Grammar man, grammar.
> >
> > Indeed; grammar, man, grammar.
>
> Hmmm. I'd watch those semicolons if I were you! <g>
There is only one --- in its proper place.
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In article <348E06...@blues.swing>,
Amos Omondi <r...@blues.swing> wrote:
>
> tst...@natsys.fr wrote:
>
> > Amos Omondi <r...@blues.swing> wrote:
> > >
> > > Justin Kennington wrote:
> > >
> > > Grammar man, grammar.
> > >
> > > Indeed; grammar, man, grammar.
> >
> > Hmmm. I'd watch those semicolons if I were you! <g>
>
> There is only one --- in its proper place.
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I always thought semicolons are properly used
to join two related independent clauses without a conjunction. Neither
"indeed" nor "grammar, man, grammar" are independent clauses. I would
have written "Indeed: grammar, man, grammar."
Of course I don't care a fig about whether your semicolons are right or
wrong. It seemed to me, however, that Justin made a mistake when pointing
the finger at bad grammar, then *you* made a mistake pointing a finger at
*his* mistake. Couldn't resist pointing out that you were hoist with your
own petard! Ah, the pitfalls of pedantry (wasn't that by Gilbert and
Sullivan?).
Derek W Davison
kenny garrett held a note for 45 minutes? when was this?
:-)
derek
Patrick Marcotte
tst...@natsys.fr wrote:
>
> In article <348E06...@blues.swing>,
> Amos Omondi <r...@blues.swing> wrote:
> >
> > tst...@natsys.fr wrote:
> >
> > > Amos Omondi <r...@blues.swing> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Justin Kennington wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Grammar man, grammar.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed; grammar, man, grammar.
> > >
> > > Hmmm. I'd watch those semicolons if I were you! <g>
> >
> > There is only one --- in its proper place.
>
> Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I always thought semicolons are properly used
> to join two related independent clauses without a conjunction. Neither
> "indeed" nor "grammar, man, grammar" are independent clauses. I would
> have written "Indeed: grammar, man, grammar."
Far be it from me to criticise anyone's grammar (outside of the
classroom, where I am an English teacher and sometime grammarian), but I
so often feel ignorant of the mechanics and nuance of music here in RMB,
enjoying it only as a layperson. So when someone raises a topic about
which I can speak with knowledge, I find it hard to pass up the
opportunity.
Your understanding of semicolon use is exactly right. Actually, though,
one could easily make the case for both being independent clauses. They
could both be called elliptical clauses, which are structures in which
commonly understood portions (either subjects or verbs or both) are
omitted. For instance, in response to a statement with which you agree,
you might say, "Indeed." Or if someone asks you a
question, you might conceivably respond by saying, "Grammar, man,
grammar." These statements might appear to be fragments, but in fact
their essential parts are found, not in the sentences themselves, but in
the previous sentences. Their meaning is understood.
There, how's THAT for pedantic? I think the whole issue points to the
general testiness of many who take part in this ng, whether the topic be
Wynton, Cecil, or drugs. I hope, to paraphrase that American icon
Rodney King, that we can try to just get along and continue listening to
and learning about the music we love.
>
> Of course I don't care a fig about whether your semicolons are right or
> wrong. It seemed to me, however, that Justin made a mistake when pointing
> the finger at bad grammar, then *you* made a mistake pointing a finger at
> *his* mistake. Couldn't resist pointing out that you were hoist with your
> own petard! Ah, the pitfalls of pedantry (wasn't that by Gilbert and
> Sullivan?).
Patrick Marcotte
e-mail: marc...@millcomm.com
Amos Omondi
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I always thought semicolons are properly used
to join two related independent clauses without a conjunction. Neither
"indeed" nor "grammar, man, grammar" are independent clauses. I would
have written "Indeed: grammar, man, grammar."
Of course I don't care a fig about whether your semicolons are right or
wrong. It seemed to me, however, that Justin made a mistake when
pointing
the finger at bad grammar, then *you* made a mistake pointing a finger
at
*his* mistake. Couldn't resist pointing out that you were hoist with
your
own petard! Ah, the pitfalls of pedantry (wasn't that by Gilbert and
Sullivan?).
- Tom Storer
This type of superstition is similar to the one
that says infinitives must never be split. You
should purchase a new "style manual".
tst...@natsys.fr
In article <348EFB...@ssc.k12.mn.us>,
Patrick Marcotte <marc...@ssc.k12.mn.us> wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
> Your understanding of semicolon use is exactly right. Actually, though,
> one could easily make the case for both being independent clauses. They
> could both be called elliptical clauses, which are structures in which
> commonly understood portions (either subjects or verbs or both) are
> omitted. For instance, in response to a statement with which you agree,
> you might say, "Indeed." Or if someone asks you a
> question, you might conceivably respond by saying, "Grammar, man,
> grammar." These statements might appear to be fragments, but in fact
> their essential parts are found, not in the sentences themselves, but in
> the previous sentences. Their meaning is understood.
>
> There, how's THAT for pedantic?
Well, you beat me. <g> And I will bow to your superior expertise and
accept that "indeed" and "grammar, man, grammar" can be independent
clauses, in which case Amos' semicolon was correct. I maintain a colon
would have been much better, but now we are in the realm of the
subjective.
We should ask Stanley Crouch. Now *there's* a great writer! <g>
tst...@natsys.fr
In article <348F1B...@rjf.swing.blues>,
Amos Omondi <am...@rjf.swing.blues> wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
> This type of superstition is similar to the one
> that says infinitives must never be split. You
> should purchase a new "style manual".
Hey, if you can snipe at missing commas I can shoot at semicolons. Fair's
fair! Besides, it seems I was wrong (see the "semicolons" thread, or
better yet, don't bother).
For what it's worth, I split infinitives with cheerful abandon and have
no style manual. Is there a rec.grammar.hairsplitting newsgroup?? I'll
meet you there!
Giri
H. Loess wrote:
>
> Jack Woker <ste...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Ned Sled wrote:
> >> what a bunch of sour grapes-the cat has a real pretty sound on tenor and
> >> spits them lines out clean and quite soulful really. his hair and nose and
> >> knowing smile is what pisses people off but hey man are you sayin u blow
> >> better than him man cause most cats cant. ciao, ned the sled
>
> >His command of the idiom is about as solid as yours is of the written
> >English language.
>
> > jack :-)
>
> Jack, are you suggesting N.S. spent 45 minutes writing the above (admittedly
> a possibility)?
No, that was just on the 'o' in 'ciao.'
..Giri
--
e-mail: giyengar "at" ford "dot" com
Mike Chamberlain
>> Amos Omondi <r...@blues.swing> wrote:
>> >
>> > Justin Kennington wrote:
>> >
>> > Grammar man, grammar.
>> >
>> > Indeed; grammar, man, grammar.
>>
>> Hmmm. I'd watch those semicolons if I were you! <g>
>
>There is only one --- in its proper place.
Not according to any style manuals that I am aware of. You need either a
colon or a dash in its place; however, if you can prove that your use is
correct, go ahead.
--Mike
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Mike Chamberlain
>> Amos Omondi <r...@blues.swing> wrote:
>> >
>> > Justin Kennington wrote:
>> >
>> > Grammar man, grammar.
>> >
>> > Indeed; grammar, man, grammar.
>>
>> Hmmm. I'd watch those semicolons if I were you! <g>
>
>There is only one --- in its proper place.
Not according to any style manuals that I am aware of. You need either a
colon or a dash in its place; however, if you can prove that your use is
correct, go ahead.
--Mike
Hate to follow up my own pedantic post, but "indeed" in this case should be
followed by a comma, not a colon or a semicolon. A dash, I believe, would
also be appropriate.
Giri
tst...@natsys.fr wrote:
> For what it's worth, I split infinitives with cheerful abandon and have
> no style manual.
Ah, but do you dangle your participles? Do you dare?
H. Loess
George Traynor <radia...@idsonline.com> wrote:
>In article <34905A...@blah.blah>, Giri says...
>>tst...@natsys.fr wrote:
>>> For what it's worth, I split infinitives with cheerful abandon and have
>>> no style manual.
>>Ah, but do you dangle your participles? Do you dare?
>What do dangle giri? Your balls?
Remember, kids, try drugs - even once - and you could end up like this...
--
Henry L.
hlo...@pipeline.com
tst...@natsys.fr
In article <34905A...@blah.blah>,
Giri <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
>
> tst...@natsys.fr wrote:
>
> > For what it's worth, I split infinitives with cheerful abandon and have
> > no style manual.
>
> Ah, but do you dangle your participles? Do you dare?
>
No, I'm not daring enough to dangle my participles. But I can mix
metaphors with the best of them!
Sensei
Woah! Is anyone out there a psychologist, so you can verify
that this effusive and logically fallacious sarcasm is a clear
harbinger of massive insecurity and a profound psychosis?!?
john z <zan...@bouldernews.infi.net> wrote in article
<348D3A...@bouldernews.infi.net>...
john z
Sensei wrote:
>
> Woah! Is anyone out there a psychologist, so you can verify
> that this effusive and logically fallacious sarcasm is a clear
> harbinger of massive insecurity and a profound psychosis?!?
>
Cigar Maggot
In article <01bd0389$0ede6260$4e32f2cd@nedsled>, "Ned Sled"
<ned-...@sky.net> wrote:
>what a bunch of sour grapes-the cat has a real pretty sound on tenor and
>spits them lines out clean and quite soulful really. his hair and nose and
>knowing smile is what pisses people off but hey man are you sayin u blow
>better than him man cause most cats cant. ciao, ned the sled
I can take a shit better than Kenny G can fart out his soprano.
The Mange
Justin Kennington
This has to be the ultimate post. Two masters of the English language duking
it out verbally with words teeming with eloquence. I'm speechless
David Apolloni
I think that the discussion about Kenny G misses something important. It is true
that he is not my (or our) favorite artist, and that many people who contribute
to these newsgroups might play better music (while making a lot less money). But
he does have the public's eye (or ear), and he is inspiring young listeners and
others to take up the saxophone. For those of us to whom the name "Benny
Goodman" means something, one must remember that Benny Goodman took the clarinet
because he wanted to play like Ted Lewis (a vaudeville counterpart of Kenny G).
I would prefer that the general public would listen to legitimate jazz artists,
like Branford, or Joe Lovano, or many others, including some who contribute to
these newgroups. But sadly most people have tin ears--they will listen only to
Kenny G. The fact that the general public has bad taste is not Kenny G's fault
so much as it is the fault of the music industry overall, which caters to the
lowest common denominator to make a fast buck instead of educating the public to
enjoy real music.
Let's give Kenny G his due, and put the blame for all the rotten music out there
where it truly lies.
Donnie
I wanna see him hold his breath for 45 minutes!
Walter Burner
I personally wish that Kenny G would hold his breath for 45 minutes.
Fonemann
Justin Kennington wrote:
>
> This has to be the ultimate post. Two masters of the English language duking
> it out verbally with words teeming with eloquence. I'm speechless
We just wish these two people were...
Cigar Maggot
In article <349737...@bellsouth.net>, Fonemann
<fone...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Justin Kennington wrote:
>>
>> This has to be the ultimate post. Two masters of the English language duking
>> it out verbally with words teeming with eloquence. I'm speechless
>> > 01bd0389$0ede6260$4e32f2cd@nedsled>, "Ned Sled"
>> > <ned-...@sky.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >what a bunch of sour grapes-
No it's a sour smell proceeding from Kenny G's rear end.
>>the cat has a real pretty sound on tenor
If you like the sound of nails on a chalkboard
and
> >spits them lines out clean and quite soulful really.
He spits out loogies that shower his stupid audience
his hair and nose and
>> > >knowing smile is what pisses people off
His hair and nose remind me of Tiny Tim
but hey man are you sayin u blow
>> > >better than him man cause most cats cant.
Cats can't play music but I heard a cat whine once and I thought it was Kenny G
The Mange
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Charles Martin in Hong Kong
>Let's give Kenny G his due, and put the blame for all the rotten music out there
>where it truly lies.
Not a bad idea. Given the quality of what passes for most
music nowadays, Mr. G has nothing to be ashamed of.
Incidentally, people who played with Kenny G in his early
days in Seattle will tell you that he's a superb musician
who can play very hard-driving, original sounding jazz when
he wants to. Unfortunately for us, he's cast his lot with a
kind of music that doesn't appeal to genuine jazz fans.
Alas. Kenny, we hardly knew ye.
o--------=| Charles Martin |=---o
Francis
Jack Woker wrote:
>
> Ned Sled wrote:
> >
> > what a bunch of sour grapes-the cat has a real pretty sound on tenor and
> > spits them lines out clean and quite soulful really. his hair and nose and
> > knowing smile is what pisses people off but hey man are you sayin u blow
> > better than him man cause most cats cant. ciao, ned the sled
>
> His command of the idiom is about as solid as yours is of the written
> English language.
>
> jack :-)
It's probably the most creative thing he's ever
played.
kev...@hotmail.com
(the user name is tongue-in-cheek)
Andy Harman
45 minutes... ok, now let's see him do it on a Bari... low B-flat...
Andy
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Buff
Sorry Andy, now I don't agree. If you do something, you have to do it
right. On a Bari... low A.
Andy Harman <aha...@one.removethis.net> schreef in artikel
<34ab29b6...@news.one.net>...
Chris Dunning
now if you're really good and you can get someone to stick their hand
in the bell, you can take it down to a low Ab...
Buff
Chris Dunning <psic...@usa.net> schreef in artikel
<34addfcc....@news.arlington.net>...
> On 1 Jan 1998 18:59:06 GMT, "Buff" <bu...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
>
> >Sorry Andy, now I don't agree. If you do something, you have to do it
> >right. On a Bari... low A.
> >
> >Andy Harman <aha...@one.removethis.net> schreef in artikel
> >> 45 minutes... ok, now let's see him do it on a Bari... low B-flat...
> >>
>
> now if you're really good and you can get someone to stick their hand
> in the bell, you can take it down to a low Ab...
>
Allright Chris, can you give me a "hand"?
Buff
Document Specialist
Buff <bu...@worldonline.nl> wrote in article
<01bd16e7$19a8ef00$108af1c3@default>...
> Sorry Andy, now I don't agree. If you do something, you have to do it
> right. On a Bari... low A.
BOOO-HISSSS to buff!! Some of us poorer folk have to be content with
b-flat!
Anyway, Kenny G has his niche made, don't encourage him to invade other
genres.
chuck petterson
student of the saxophone
(A 12M player! "I X, therefore Iam)
Andy Harman
On 1 Jan 1998 18:59:06 GMT, "Buff" <bu...@worldonline.nl> wrote:
>Sorry Andy, now I don't agree. If you do something, you have to do it
>right. On a Bari... low A.
Right. And to make it more challenging, it has to be a leaky King
Zephyr bari that has been used at least 35 years in a public high
school. And no duct-taping the keys.
Matt Cable
In article <34ab29b6...@news.one.net>, aha...@one.removethis.net
says...
> 45 minutes... ok, now let's see him do it on a Bari... low B-flat...
>
I imagine it wouldn't be much harder, since he's using circular
breathing.
--
Matthew Cable // Network Engineer
DMW Worldwide // Colorado Springs, CO
Andy Harman
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:05:00 -0700, mca...@dmwgroup.com (Matt Cable)
wrote:
>I imagine it wouldn't be much harder, since he's using circular
>breathing.
Right but because of the much larger volume of air required to sustain
the note, he would probably hyperventilate rather quickly....