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Benny Goodman - The Complete Capitol Trios

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Jay Epstein

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Nov 2, 2000, 9:25:47 PM11/2/00
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I just picked this CD and it's definitely wonderful. For many years
I've enjoyed the 'classic' Goodman trio & quartet things with Hamp,
Wilson, & Krupa, but have not heard these later groups before. 20
cuts recorded in 6 sessions from 1947 & 1954 with pianists Teddy
Wilson, Jimmy Rowles, Mel Powell and drummers Jimmy Crawford, Tom
Romersa, Eddie Brady, Bobby Donaldson. I'm not familiar with the
last 3 drummers but they sound fine in this scene. I just discovered
a powerful secret from Benny that I only subliminally realized
before this: When the players sense of time is this strong, you
don't need a bassist to SWING! I've spent most of my life immersed
in playing post-bop, but there's unquestionably still a lot of cool
surprises from the King of Swing a half century later.

Jay
"It's always night, that's why we have light." - Thelonious Monk
http://www.bridgeboymusic.com/longago/main.htm

Top_Catt

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Nov 2, 2000, 10:31:48 PM11/2/00
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In article <3a022186...@news.tcinternet.net>,

ja...@earth.man (Jay Epstein) wrote:
> I just picked this CD and it's definitely wonderful. For many years
> I've enjoyed the 'classic' Goodman trio & quartet things with Hamp,
> Wilson, & Krupa, but have not heard these later groups before. 20
> cuts recorded in 6 sessions from 1947 & 1954 with pianists Teddy
> Wilson, Jimmy Rowles, Mel Powell and drummers Jimmy Crawford, Tom
> Romersa, Eddie Brady, Bobby Donaldson. I'm not familiar with the
> last 3 drummers but they sound fine in this scene. I just discovered
> a powerful secret from Benny that I only subliminally realized
> before this: When the players sense of time is this strong, you
> don't need a bassist to SWING! I've spent most of my life immersed
> in playing post-bop, but there's unquestionably still a lot of cool
> surprises from the King of Swing a half century later.
>

I've been going in the opposite direction lately-- listening to some
early BG ("A Jazz Holiday," ASV). Considering how polished his tone was
later on (that sort of liquid quality, like clear water flowing over
rocks), it's surprising how "dirty" he sounds here at times... like he'd
been listening to Johhny Dodds (probably was).

T.C.


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George Karpinsky

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Nov 3, 2000, 12:45:24 AM11/3/00
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How wonderful,a couple of younger (I presume),jazz lovers who are
discovering that jazz was being played magnificently before post bop.Keep
going guys and listen to guys like Bobby Hackett and Bunny Berigan and
Ruby Braff, and Jimmy Noone (Goodman did).
George Karpinsky.

Shawn Martin

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Nov 3, 2000, 12:42:10 AM11/3/00
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In article <3a022186...@news.tcinternet.net>,
ja...@earth.man (Jay Epstein) wrote:
> I just picked this CD and it's definitely wonderful. For many years
> I've enjoyed the 'classic' Goodman trio & quartet things with Hamp,
> Wilson, & Krupa, but have not heard these later groups before. 20
> cuts recorded in 6 sessions from 1947 & 1954 with pianists Teddy
> Wilson, Jimmy Rowles, Mel Powell and drummers Jimmy Crawford, Tom
> Romersa, Eddie Brady, Bobby Donaldson. I'm not familiar with the
> last 3 drummers but they sound fine in this scene. I just discovered
> a powerful secret from Benny that I only subliminally realized
> before this: When the players sense of time is this strong, you
> don't need a bassist to SWING! I've spent most of my life immersed
> in playing post-bop, but there's unquestionably still a lot of cool
> surprises from the King of Swing a half century later.


Bobby Donaldson played with Benny at various times. I don't have this
particular cd but I have the Capitol Small Group Recordings 4 cd box
and it has a ton of stuff that you never hear. It has several of Louie
Bellson's first recordings with Benny when he was only 17 or 18!
--

Shawn Martin
America's Ace Drummer Man Gene Krupa!
http://crash.simplenet.com

Mike Greensill

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Nov 3, 2000, 12:57:25 AM11/3/00
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This is currently one of my favorite CD's. It's interesting that Jimmy Rowles
sounds so influenced by Teddy Wilson and yet is still his own man even at this
early stage.
And yes it swings like mad!
Mike Greensill

Kyrre G. Laastad

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Nov 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/3/00
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| I have a pair of Gene Krupa's brushes mounted in a plant pot ( Genus
Krupus:
| Do not water. Grows best in smokey atmosphere.) The were given to me by an
| old drummer who stole them off Krupa's set in a Chicago hotel in the 30's
or
| 40's.
| Eat your heart out Krupa fans!

Where do you live? `cos I`m gonna hunt you down, kill you, and most
important, get those frickin` brushes.


I`m just a jealous guy,
--Kyrre

Shawn Martin

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Nov 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/3/00
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In article <NBCM5.2160$mx.4...@news1.oke.nextra.no>,
"Kyrre G. Laastad" <kgeithusSpammerss...@online.no>
wrote:


A good friend of mine has THE brushes that Gene used on "Gene Krupa
Plays Gerry Mulligan Arrangements" and he's pictured with on the album
cover. I have a photo of them on my website.

Benjamin Jacoby

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Nov 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/3/00
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In rec.music.makers.percussion Geoff Proud <geo...@hotkey.net.au> wrote:

> I have a pair of Gene Krupa's brushes mounted in a plant pot ( Genus Krupus:
> Do not water. Grows best in smokey atmosphere.) The were given to me by an
> old drummer who stole them off Krupa's set in a Chicago hotel in the 30's or
> 40's.
> Eat your heart out Krupa fans!


EBAY! EBAY! EBAY!

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Geoff Proud

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Nov 3, 2000, 4:12:27 AM11/3/00
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I just discovered
> a powerful secret from Benny that I only subliminally realized
> before this: When the players sense of time is this strong, you
> don't need a bassist to SWING

Hi Jay,
You are dead right. I've played in a few situations without a bass player
and while you can't replace a good one it is nice to find a way to lock in
with the horn and piano and find a way to make it swing if they have good
time. It's interesting and Shelley Manne did it with a piano player (can't
think of his name, I used to have the record). I'm sure lots of others did
it too.


I have a pair of Gene Krupa's brushes mounted in a plant pot ( Genus Krupus:
Do not water. Grows best in smokey atmosphere.) The were given to me by an
old drummer who stole them off Krupa's set in a Chicago hotel in the 30's or
40's.
Eat your heart out Krupa fans!

Regards
Geoff


Jazzcorner

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Nov 3, 2000, 8:10:04 AM11/3/00
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Probably Shelley Manns & Russ Freeman "The Three and The Two" on
Contemporyry M 3584.

Willie (from germany)

Geoff Proud <geo...@hotkey.net.au> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
3a02...@news.iprimus.com.au...

Top_Catt

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Nov 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/4/00
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In article <gwkarpin-031...@a2-p172.ripnet.com>,
gwka...@recorder.ca (George Karpinsky) wrote:

> How wonderful,a couple of younger (I presume),jazz lovers who are
> discovering that jazz was being played magnificently before post bop.Keep
> going guys and listen to guys like Bobby Hackett and Bunny Berigan and
> Ruby Braff, and Jimmy Noone (Goodman did).
> George Karpinsky.

I might be just a little younger than you... and I missed the Swing Era
(much to my dismay). I know a lady (age 77) who saw the Basie band in
the late 30's, and still remembers the concerts in great detail (not
surprising, really).

Jimmy Noone's recordings (obscure-- but available on CD, on an Italian
label whose name I can't think of at the moment) should be brought to
the attention of anyone who's an Earl Hines fan. "Fatha" Hines is a
young lion on these; the sides he made with Noone are a nice complement
to his work with Louis during the same period.

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