How do you pronounce Motian?
Gary Melton
The subject pretty much says it all. I gather that it's close to
"motion" from "Monk in Motian", but how close?
Thanks,
Bud Melton
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John Martin
You are correct. Motian, motion. Same thing.
-JC Martin
Gary Melton <gme...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote in article
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Don Herzog
In article <01bd495d$0f58b5a0$9ef6d9cf@researcher-1>,
Yes: and picture poor Paul with the classic Evans trio, proudly
introduced by Symphony Sid as "Paul Moh-tee-in."
--don
Gary Smiley
I heard that Moh-tee-in was the correct pronunciation, even though his name
appears to rhyme with motion.
Michael Fitzgerald
On 06 Mar 1998 16:55:48 -0600, Gary Melton <gme...@cs.stanford.edu>
wrote:
>The subject pretty much says it all. I gather that it's close to
>"motion" from "Monk in Motian", but how close?
Another should be-FAQ question - Bill Evans says "motion", I think
Paul does as well. Although the "correct" ethnic pronunciation is
closer to "moe-tee-ann".
Which means, now it's time for Kai Winding, John Tchicai, Ralph
Vaughan Williams, etc. etc.
Mike
Mike O'Sullivan
I've often wondered about this. "Motion" doesn't sound right. Different
derivation surely. For what it's worth in the UK we tend to say "Mo-tee-un"
Skip Elliott Bowman
Gary Melton <gme...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
: The subject pretty much says it all. I gather that it's close to
: "motion" from "Monk in Motian", but how close?
In an early 1990s interview w/Downbeat, he says it's pronounced with
a hard "T". A la "MOE-tee-un"
And that's the fact, Jack
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John Martin
Well I guess we cleared this up for him. *chuckle*
-JC Martin
Keith Hedger
I know a guy down here (a drummer) who lived in NY during the 60's,70's
and 80's and subbed for motian a lot. This guy told me that in the early
to mid-60's everybody pronounced it "Moshun" but that somewhere in the
70's Paul started correcting people and insisted that it should be
pronounced "Mo-tee-un"....
keith
pronounced "fyeiwofdnafd"
In article <01bd49f4$ce3b90e0$55f7d9cf@researcher-1>, "John Martin"
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
> Which means, now it's time for Kai Winding, John Tchicai, Ralph
> Vaughan Williams, etc. etc.
I'll give two of them a try. I'm quite sure, having spoken at length to
people who know Tchicai, that his name is pronounced CHEE-kye.
People always want to call Winding KYE (rhymes with eye) but when he had
the group with J. J. Johnson, they were billed as Jai and Kai,
presumably pronounced Jay and Kay. Winding's son is named Jai, and I
always pronounce it Jay. As to the last name, that's another story.
I've always said WIND-ing (short i), but many pronounce the long i, that
is WHY-nding.
jack
Chuck Nessa
As for Winding, KYE is correct, years ago he just gave up..So it is John
CHEE-kai.
CN
David Wild
Or how Kenny Dorham got to be Kenny. (McKinley --> Kinney --> Kenny...).
Or at least that's what I remember reading...
Michael Fitzgerald <fitz...@eclipse.net> wrote in article
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> On 06 Mar 1998 16:55:48 -0600, Gary Melton <gme...@cs.stanford.edu>
> wrote:
> >The subject pretty much says it all. I gather that it's close to
> >"motion" from "Monk in Motian", but how close?
>
> Another should be-FAQ question - Bill Evans says "motion", I think
> Paul does as well. Although the "correct" ethnic pronunciation is
> closer to "moe-tee-ann".
>
> Which means, now it's time for Kai Winding, John Tchicai, Ralph
> Vaughan Williams, etc. etc.
>
> Mike
>
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>
Mike O'Sullivan
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James Bunnell
Skip Elliott Bowman <skip...@nospam33teleport.com> wrote:
>Gary Melton <gme...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
>: The subject pretty much says it all. I gather that it's close to
>: "motion" from "Monk in Motian", but how close?
>
>In an early 1990s interview w/Downbeat, he says it's pronounced with
>a hard "T". A la "MOE-tee-un"
Perhaps I'm remembering a different issue of Downbeat, but I could
swear I read that after years of hoping folks would pronounce it
"mo-TEE-uhn," as it's intended, Paul gave in to "motion," particularly
since he was a drummer given to a lot of, well, that.
Jim
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GGood16132
>Perhaps I'm remembering a different issue of Downbeat, but I could
>swear I read that after years of hoping folks would pronounce it
>"mo-TEE-uhn," as it's intended, Paul gave in to "motion," particularly
>since he was a drummer given to a lot of, well, that.
>
>Jim
>
Glenn Good
John Chacona
On 8 Mar 1998 04:22:20 GMT, Mike Fitzgerald from the esteemed Dolphy
list wrote:
>> Another should be-FAQ question - Bill Evans says "motion", I think
>> Paul does as well. Although the "correct" ethnic pronunciation is
>> closer to "moe-tee-ann".
>>
>> Which means, now it's time for Kai Winding,
"Kay," although the correct ethnic pronunciation would, I believe,
would rhyme with eye.
>> John Tchicai,
This one I know because I have electronically corresponded with him:
John chick-EYE
>>Ralph Vaughan Williams, etc. etc.
In England (and, for some reason, in North Carolina), RAFE
JC
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In article <3502d46c...@news.erie.net>, jcha...@reporters.n-t wrote:
>On 8 Mar 1998 04:22:20 GMT, Mike Fitzgerald from the esteemed Dolphy
>list wrote:
>
>
>>> Another should be-FAQ question - Bill Evans says "motion", I think
>>> Paul does as well. Although the "correct" ethnic pronunciation is
>>> closer to "moe-tee-ann".
>>>
>>> Which means, now it's time for Kai Winding,
>
>"Kay," although the correct ethnic pronunciation would, I believe,
>would rhyme with eye.
>
>>> John Tchicai,
>
>This one I know because I have electronically corresponded with him:
>John chick-EYE
Gordon
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Gary Milliken
>>>Ralph Vaughan Williams, etc. etc.
>
>In England (and, for some reason, in North Carolina), RAFE
I have only recently begun to hear this (evidently more authentic)
pronunciation on classical radio stations, which I never heard in years
of college. I believe it must have come about in the USA because of the
pronunciation of the name of actor Ralph Fiennes (that's "Rafe Fines" to
us Yanks).
GM
John Purves
>>swear I read that after years of hoping folks would pronounce it
>>"mo-TEE-uhn," as it's intended, Paul gave in to "motion," particularly
>>since he was a drummer given to a lot of, well, that.
>>
>>Jim
>>
On 8 Mar 1998 16:09:34 GMT, ggood...@aol.com (GGood16132) wrote:
>I remember something to that effect too, Jim - anyone got the interview handy?
>
>
>Glenn Good
I have copy of an interview with Charlie Haden on tape somewhere and
on it I recall that he says something to the effect of what is written
above, that he changed it to "motion" from the original mo-tee-uhn.
jp
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