The next Miles box : Jack Johnson
Sneakerface
of the Miles box sets. (Is there going to be a box set of every album
he has ever released ? Ok by me...) This one is going to be FIVE
discs ! Jack Johnson is one I don't have - what do you all think of
this one ? I understand it was released or recorded in 1970 - correct
? If so, what an amazingly productive year for the man - I can't
think of any year where he has produced so MUCH great music....
G&C Harris
"Sneakerface" <n9...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I would like to know where you heard this. Last year around this time I had
heard that the JJ box set was originally going to be released in the Fall of
2002.
And since we are on the subject of on-again, off-again Miles' box sets, does
anyone know whatever happened with the planned "Live-Evil" sets that were
going to be released last year? There were going to be three two-CD sets
that were going to encompass his stint at the Cellar Door in December 1970.
Dennis J. Kosterman
You never know what they're going to release next. They've already
deviated several times from the plan they originally announced back
when the Plugged Nickel set came out, and I don't think any of the
sets after that one has come out "on time". "Live at the Blackhawk"
was supposed to have been (re-)released a month or two ago (according
to Down Beat), but I haven't seen that yet.
Anyway, I think "...Jack Johnson" was a great album. Of all Miles's
fusion albums, it was the one that was most "rockish". Lots of killer
guitar from John McLaughlin, and I love the way Miles plays on it,
too. It was only a single disc, though. Even if they add "Go Ahead
John" (from "Big Fun") and the studio parts of "Live-Evil", I don't
see where they're going to get enough material for 5 discs. Is there
that much unreleased stuff from that period?
Dennis J. Kosterman
den...@tds.net
bigtiny
I'm a big John McLaughlin fan, but Sonny Sharrock was also on Jack
Johnson - uncredited. I don't know who's playing what, but that record
flat out rocks!
5 CDs? I don't know what they found, but if they have more material
that's as good as the single album that was released, it's going to
absolutely kill....
bigtiny
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Sneakerface
Live Evil is the next one due after Jack Johnson. Yeah, 5 CDs does
sound like a lot. As I understand it, the first disc is entirely made
up of versions of "Willie Nelson." I'll post the list of songs a bit
later.
Sneakerface
"The Greatest Rock n' Roll Record Ever Made !
The Complete Jack Johnson Sessions
Deluxe 5 CD Box Set - 34 of the 42 tracks are previously unissued!
41/2 hours of brand new Miles Davis music !
Features *** Keith Jarret, Herbie Hancock, John McLaughlin, Chick
Corea, Steve Grossman, Dave Holland, Jack DeJohnette, Benne Maupin,
Sonny Sharrock, Wayne Shorter, Michael Henderson, Ron Carter, Gene
Perla, Airto, and Hermeto Pascoal
Available Fall 2003
CD1
1. Willie Nelson (Take 2) 6:41 *
2. Willie Nelson (Take 3) 10:21*
3. Willie Nelson (Insert 1) 6:33*
4. Willie Nelson (Insert 2) 5:22*
5. Willie Nelson (Remake Take 1) 10:45*
6. Willie Nelson (Remake Take 2) 10:17
7. Johnny Bratton (Take 4) 8:17*
8. Johnny Bratton (Insert 1) 6:38*
9. Johny Bratton (Insert 1) 5:19*
10. Archie Moore 4:45*
CD2
1. Go Ahead John (Part One) 13:07*
2. Go Ahead John (Part Two A) 7:00*
3. Go Ahead John (Part Two B) 10:06*
4. Go Ahead John (Part Two C)3:38*
5. Go Ahead John (Part One Remake) 11:04*
6. Duran (Take 4) 5:37*
7. Duran (Take 6) 11:20
8. Sugar Ray* 6:16
CD3
1. Right Off (Take 10) 11:09
2. Right Off (Take Off 10A) 4:33
3. Right Off (Take 11) 5:58*
4. Right Off (Take 12) 8:49*
5. Yesternow (Take 16) 9:49*
6. Yesternow (New Take 4) 16:02*
7. Honky Tonk (Take 2) 10:04*
8. Honky Tonk (Take 5) 11:29*
CD4
1. Ali (Take 3) 6:50*
2. Ali (Take 4)10:14*
3. Konda 16:29*
4. Nem Um Talvez (Take 17) 2:50*
5. Nem Um Talvez (Take 19) 2:54*
6. Little High People (Take 7) 6:52*
7. Little High People (Take 8) 9:28*
8. Nem Um Talvez (Take 3) 4:36*
9. Nem Um Talvez (Take 4A) 2:04
10. Selim (Take 4B) 2:15
11. Little Church (Take 7) 3:16*
12. Little Church (Take 10) 3:15
CD5
1. The Mask (Part One) 7:47*
2. The Mask (Part Two) 15:45*
3. Right Off 26:54
4. Yesternow 25:36
*Previously Unissued"
Michel Forest
> Just a little reminder....
>
> I'm a big John McLaughlin fan, but Sonny Sharrock was also on Jack
> Johnson - uncredited. I don't know who's playing what, but that record
> flat out rocks!
>
> 5 CDs? I don't know what they found, but if they have more material
> that's as good as the single album that was released, it's going to
> absolutely kill....
That's the problem with the last 2 sets, in my opinion. Both "Bitches Brew" and "In a silent way"
were better as albums. The boxes spread the material a bit thin. (I know that this is the opinion
of the Penguin guide, and in that regard, I completely agree with the authors).
"Jack Johnson" is a great album. I'll probably wait for the remastered cd, which will probably
follow a few months after the box.
Sam
check out www.legacyrecordings.com and amazon.com for the listing.
Jon Meltzer wrote:
> On Tue, 06 May 2003 02:58:28 GMT, den...@tds.net (Dennis J.
> Kosterman) wrote:
>
> >You never know what they're going to release next. They've already
> >deviated several times from the plan they originally announced back
> >when the Plugged Nickel set came out, and I don't think any of the
> >sets after that one has come out "on time". "Live at the Blackhawk"
> >was supposed to have been (re-)released a month or two ago (according
> >to Down Beat), but I haven't seen that yet.
>
> According to _Ice Magazine_, "Blackhawk" is to be released May 20.
> >
> >Anyway, I think "...Jack Johnson" was a great album. Of all Miles's
> >fusion albums, it was the one that was most "rockish". Lots of killer
> >guitar from John McLaughlin, and I love the way Miles plays on it,
> >too. It was only a single disc, though. Even if they add "Go Ahead
> >John" (from "Big Fun") and the studio parts of "Live-Evil", I don't
> >see where they're going to get enough material for 5 discs. Is there
> >that much unreleased stuff from that period?
>
> Well, there's also another 20 minutes from "Directions". But there's
> still three discs to fill up.
>
> Possibly the plan is to release the unedited stuff, like in the
> "Silent Way" box set. But I've been waiting for this damn thing for
> years ...
>
> And, where are:
> Cellar Door?
> The unedited June 1970 Fillmore tapes?
> The George Coleman live sessions from 1964-65?
> The Isle of Wight show? (No one's announced it, but it's in the vault,
> because Columbia keeps releasing pieces of it ...)
> The On the Corner sessions? (Including "Ife" from Big Fun)
> The unedited Dark Magus tapes?
> The 1969 Juan-les-Pins tapes?
> An official release of the 1967 "No Blues" tape?
>
> So much left to do ...
Pat Buzby
> Just a little reminder....
>
> I'm a big John McLaughlin fan, but Sonny Sharrock was also on Jack
> Johnson - uncredited. I don't know who's playing what, but that record
> flat out rocks!
Sharrock plays along with McLaughlin on the "Willie Nelson"
segment in the second half of "Yesternow" (between the two appearances
of Miles's muted solo). The rest of the guitar on Jack Johnson is
McLaughlin.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Dennis J. Kosterman
<jonme...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>On 6 May 2003 16:05:49 -0700, n9...@earthlink.net (Sneakerface) wrote:
>>7. Johnny Bratton (Take 4) 8:17*
>>10. Archie Moore 4:45*
>>8. Sugar Ray* 6:16
>>1. Ali (Take 3) 6:50*
>Do I detect a theme here? :-)
You forgot "Duran", not to mention Jack Johnson himself. Miles was
always a big boxing fan. Sugar Ray (Robinson, not Leonard) was his
hero in the 50s.
Dennis J. Kosterman
den...@tds.net
Mike T
Well, you remember what Teo Macero said, "So whoever doesn`t like
what I did, twenty years from now they can go back and re-do it"
Mike.
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> I just got a promo copy...
>
> "The Greatest Rock'n'Roll Record Ever Made!
>
> Deluxe 5 CD Box Set - 34 of the 42 tracks are previously
> unissued!
>
>
> Features Keith Jarret, Herbie Hancock, John McLaughlin,
> Benne Maupin, Sonny Sharrock, Wayne Shorter, Michael
> Henderson, Ron Carter, Gene Perla, Airto, and Hermeto
> Pascoal
>
> Available Fall 2003
>
> CD1
> 1. Willie Nelson (Take 2) 6:41 *
> 2. Willie Nelson (Take 3) 10:21*
> 3. Willie Nelson (Insert 1) 6:33*
> 4. Willie Nelson (Insert 2) 5:22*
> 5. Willie Nelson (Remake Take 1) 10:45*
> 6. Willie Nelson (Remake Take 2) 10:17
> 7. Johnny Bratton (Take 4) 8:17*
> 8. Johnny Bratton (Insert 1) 6:38*
> 9. Johny Bratton (Insert 1) 5:19*
> 10. Archie Moore 4:45*
>
> CD2
> 1. Go Ahead John (Part One) 13:07*
> 2. Go Ahead John (Part Two A) 7:00*
> 3. Go Ahead John (Part Two B) 10:06*
> 4. Go Ahead John (Part Two C)3:38*
> 5. Go Ahead John (Part One Remake) 11:04*
> 6. Duran (Take 4) 5:37*
> 7. Duran (Take 6) 11:20
Absolutely excellent news!
Thanks for posting the entire track listing.
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Brian Rost
the C&W singer, right? Willie was still quite obscure in 1969.
So who WAS the song named after, anyone know?
--
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well-regarded as a songwriter.
Jack Woker
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> I gotta ask this...the "Willie Nelson" Miles named the song after wasn't
> the C&W singer, right? Willie was still quite obscure in 1969.
>
> So who WAS the song named after, anyone know?
It was named after THE Willie Nelson. Although the track was recorded in
1970, it was not released until 1981 on the "Directions" LP, and it was
probably titled at that time. By this time, Willie was a superstar.
jack
j.beer
is a parody of Miles' autobio that was posted to rec.music.bluenote,
apparently on 3/1/97, but it seems to have disappeared from
Google/dejanews. The only thing I could find is reference to it in a note
by Michael Fitzgerald.
Maybe someone can find it.
Jeff
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As I understand it, the Blackhawk stuff will be out shortly, and the
Live Evil is the next one due after Jack Johnson.
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Any information on what will be on the Live Evil discs ? How many ? Will
it be complete concerts ?
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Subject: Re: Miles Davis' "Willie Nelson", was Re: willie nelson
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Yeah, Miles and Willie Nelson go way back. In fact, Miles even
mentions Willie in his autobiography:
"Willie was all over 52nd Street back in those days. He'd be sitting
in with that funky old gut-string guitar and cutting every motherfucker
in town. No one would hire him because the motherfucker was crazier
than Monk, Bud, and Mingus all rolled up in one crazy white motherfucker.
One time he said to me "Miles, what were you thinking when you got dressed
this morning? That's the goofiest-looking outfit I've ever seen." He'd just
be raving like that, you dig, not even making sense. One day he was way out
to lunch, and starts in with his crazy shit again: "Miles, no one is really
all that interested in hearing about your sex life." That's how far out
there that motherfucker was. I wrote him a tune called "Crazy". Later I
heard he had whitified it up and sold it to some white bitch. She had a
big hit but I never saw none of that money. Typical white bullshit.
But that's my tune. I wrote that.
One day I was standing outside Birdland minding my own business when
this dumb-ass cracker cop tells me to move along. Well, I don't move
along for no white motherfucker, so I told that cop "you can kiss my
black ass you dumb white motherfucker".
When I regained consciousness, the first thing I saw as I opened my
eyes was Willie. Bending over me with that long-ass greasy hair all
backlit by the sun, I thought he was an angel. One ugly motherfucking
white angel. I thought God had made a mistake and sent me to the white
man's heaven. I started praying out loud, "Please God, I'd rather go to
black man's hell than be stuck all up in here with these ugly white bitch
angels. At least you know the hoes be fine down there."
Then I heard Willie's voice saying "You're going to be all right, Miles.
I called an ambulance and they're on their way. Here, let me wipe that
blood off of your brow...". I saw him start to unwrap that bandanna
off his greasy-ass white head and bring it down towards me. I tried to
struggle and break free, but I was too weak. When that bandanna touched
my face I screamed and passed out again.
Man, kicking heroin was nothing compared to getting over the obsessive/
compulsive face-washing habit I developed after that incident. I spent most
of the 70s holed up in my bathroom trying to wash off Willie's bandanna
funk.
Cicely would try and fuck with my head, saying "Miles, your neck seems to be
taking on a pinkish tinge there at the back." You can't say the bitch wasn't
asking for it.
On 9/5/03 4:26 am, in article
WdFua.2560$mD5.9...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net, "j.beer"
Pat Buzby
Reference copies of the Live Evil set have existed for years, and
yes, they are complete sets. Check the discography section of
miles-beyond.com for info.
Interestingly (and this almost got past me), the "Miles Ahead"
site lists the timings for the unedited sets from the June 70 "Miles
Davis At Fillmore" shows (except Thursday, for some reason), so those
tapes must still exist, too.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL