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Jack A. Zucker

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Sep 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/24/96
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John Sheehy wrote:
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a wedding band gig.
>
> 8) No diminished triads. This is utterly ridiculous.
>

Again, many times you want to add a color note to a chord but
because the parser does not let you add arbitrary intervals,
you are left with only predetermined voicings. For example:

Cm7b5 - (I would like to add d-natural implying 6th mode of melodic min)
Cdim7 - (I would again like to add D, F, Ab, or B for color)
Cmaj7#11 - (Why do I have to have the 9th with my maj7#11 chord ?)
C7#9 - Ever notice that the majority of styles play C7b9 instead ?

While we're on our wish list...Perhaps the ability to add new chord
types that are based on inputting a scale. This would be a really
cool thing. For example, you could input C E F# G# B (maj7#5 pentatonic)
for some really nice open maj7#5 voicings, or input either
6th mode of melodic minor or Locrian for your m7b5 chords depending
on whether you wanted the natural 9 or not.

-Jaz

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JFR

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Sep 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM9/27/96
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Some good ideas. Why not send these to the BIAB e-mail? Otherwise,
they will have no impact.

Peter Gannon is normally very responsive and normally implements any
good suggestions. You can get the address from the PG Music website.

Frank Hamilton

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Oct 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/1/96
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"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@gwis.com> wrote:


>Cmaj7#11 - (Why do I have to have the 9th with my maj7#11 chord ?)

How about maj7b5? Will that work?

Frank

Frank Hamilton

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Oct 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/1/96
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jre...@ix.netcom.com(JFR) wrote:


>Some good ideas. Why not send these to the BIAB e-mail? Otherwise,
>they will have no impact.

>Peter Gannon is normally very responsive and normally implements any
>good suggestions. You can get the address from the PG Music website.

Please post the URL for BIAB. Thanks.

Frank


Jeremy Michael Crosbie

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Oct 2, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/2/96
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In article <52rpp2$b...@camel1.mindspring.com>,

But a maj7b5 won't have the natural 5 in it, like the maj7#11 does.


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Jack A. Zucker

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Oct 3, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/3/96
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Frank Hamilton wrote:
> "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@gwis.com> wrote:
> >Cmaj7#11 - (Why do I have to have the 9th with my maj7#11 chord ?)
> How about maj7b5? Will that work?
> Frank
>

It's not the same chord but will generally work. A Maj7#11
is actually a lydian chord which has the natural 5 and b5.

-Jaz

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jims

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Oct 3, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/3/96
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> Please post the URL for BIAB. Thanks.
>
> Frank
http://www.pgmusic.com/

Erwin Burgstaller

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Oct 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/8/96
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What do you think about the soloist option of BIAB?

Why is it possible that a machine is able to play great Solo's,
as someone told in this thread?

If that's possible, is there something wrong with Jazz, or is
something wrong with those players, which are not playing solos
as good as the machine can do?

Erwin
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Jack A. Zucker

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Oct 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/9/96
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Erwin Burgstaller wrote:
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> What do you think about the soloist option of BIAB?
>

It's probably ok for beginner-intermediate level players. I found
many incomplete phrases and resolutions. Personally, I think it
ought to be a completely seperate product. If I want soloist
inspiration, I'll go to Coltrane, Jarrett, Metheny, Brecker, etc.

Lawson G. Stone

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Oct 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/9/96
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The "soloist" additions to BIAB are actually BIAB files in which the
melody track includes a transcription of a historic or pedagogically
useful solo. There are 3 disks of these files. You can see the notation,
play the solo back at any speed in order to play along, etc. I don't
know anything about a soloist option within BIAB that generates solos.
Maybe that's there too, but "Soloist" in BIAB involves these transcribed
solos in the file itself.

Erwin Burgstaller

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Oct 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/10/96
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I've found this at: http://www.pgmusic.com/bandbox.htm

----------------8<-----------
The new features are...

Automatic Soloing!

Pick any song or chords in any style, & choose a "soloist".
Band-in-a-Box
7.0 then creates & plays a professional quality solo, in the style of
your
choice. Previous versions of Band-in-a-Box created great accompaniment.
Now
you can hear sensational solos as well- showing you exactly what notes
are
played. Choose from "soloists"in the style similar to great jazz
musicians
such as Django Reinhardt, John Coltrane or country/pop soloists &
others,
or create your own soloists using the Soloist Maker.

Soloist Maker.

This module allows you to define your own soloists.For example, let's
say
you want to create a soloist in the style of "JohnColtrane"- the great
jazz
saxophonist. The soloist maker allows you to define the parameters
essential to Coltrane's playing, such as instrument range (i.e. tenor
saxophone), extra legato playing, playing more on top of the beat than
typical jazz musicians, & playing straighter 8th notes than usual swing
8th
notes. Also, you can set phrasing options such as how long the phrase
should be & how much "space" to leave between phrases. You can also set
how
"outside" the playing should be. In the case of a John Coltrane style -
you
set that to the maximum! Then"turn him loose" & hear the soloist play
over
any song!

----------------8<-----------

Harry H Avant

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Oct 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/10/96
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In article <325D23...@knapp.co.at>, Erwin Burgstaller
<b...@knapp.co.at> wrote:

> Lawson G. Stone wrote:
> >
> > The "soloist" additions to BIAB are actually BIAB files....

Not quite. You are refering to the Soloist series which can be used with
or without Band-in-A-Box.
The latest version of BiaB does generate "solos" on the fly in near real
time as noted below.
Harry
>

Erwin Burgstaller wrote:

> ----------------8<-----------
> The new features are...
>
> Automatic Soloing!
>
> Pick any song or chords in any style, & choose a "soloist".
> Band-in-a-Box 7.0 then creates & plays a professional quality solo, in
the style of your choice.

> Erwin

Lawson G. Stone

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Oct 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/10/96
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Erwin Burgstaller wrote:
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> Lawson G. Stone wrote:
> >
> > The "soloist" additions to BIAB are actually BIAB files in which the
> > melody track includes a transcription of a historic or pedagogically
> > useful solo. There are 3 disks of these files. You can see the notation,
> > play the solo back at any speed in order to play along, etc. I don't
> > know anything about a soloist option within BIAB that generates solos.
> > Maybe that's there too, but "Soloist" in BIAB involves these transcribed
> > solos in the file itself.
>
> I've found this at: http://www.pgmusic.com/bandbox.htm
>
> ----------------8<-----------
> The new features are...
>
> Automatic Soloing!
>
> Pick any song or chords in any style, & choose a "soloist".
> Band-in-a-Box {snip}

At least when I'm wrong, I'm wrong BIG TIME. I wonder if the program has
a "corny, slow, white-bread soloist" setting? That'd be me.

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Lyudmila

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Oct 13, 1996, 3:00:00 AM10/13/96
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BIAB comping is great, the bass lines are solid and varied, the whole
rhythm section cooks. But, the solos, they don't seem to cut it to me.
You might hear one decent lick in a whole solo. IMO.

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