Mingus _Cumbia Jazz Fusion_
Leon Harris
>maybe this is old news, but today for the first time I saw (and
>bought) a Rhino reissue of Mingus' _Cumbia and Jazz Fusion_.
>The sticker promises two extra cuts and indeed there are -
>2 2 minute solo piano takes of "Wedding March/Slow Waltz"
>(thank God these are finally released!!!). Anyway, if you
>don't have it, rush right out and buy it...even if it is
Yeah, many of the Atlantic (and Rhino) reissues come complete with
bonus cuts. I've picked up reissues by Coltrane ("Bags & Trane") and Mingus,
("Mingus Moves") and both albums had extra cuts. Good Stuff!
LEH in CHI
Richard Brown
"Let My Children Hear Music" is a recompilation of some other Mingus
album(s?) from the sixties. I was just wondering if someone could
refresh my memory on this, and offer an opinion on this CD. How does
it compare with "Mingus Ah Um", for example ?
thanks,
- rab
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Sten Winfield Johnson
> I seem to recall reading on this group a long while back that the album
> "Let My Children Hear Music" is a recompilation of some other Mingus
> album(s?) from the sixties. I was just wondering if someone could
> refresh my memory on this, and offer an opinion on this CD. How does
> it compare with "Mingus Ah Um", for example ?
Actually, the compilation album (now deleted, I believe) was
called "Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife" and featured cuts off of
"Let my Children Hear Music", a 1972 release. LMCHM is a
tremendous album, in my opinion, and the CD release features a
bonus cut from the original session not available on the LP. If
you like "Mingus Ah Um" you will probably like this album as
well; it has a similarly tight feel, more so than the Candid
material, for example. It is not without its eccentricities--
there is an unusual, but fairly effective spoken word piece
originally written by Mingus in the 40s, and there is some
inclusion of taped effects, notably a hurricane sound to intro
"The I of Hurricane Sue." But don't let the oddities put you
off-- This is big-band, or should I say
large-ensemble, Mingus at his best. Sensational; one of my
favorite albums by the man.
Marc Sabatella
> I seem to recall reading on this group a long while back that the album
> "Let My Children Hear Music" is a recompilation of some other Mingus
> album(s?) from the sixties.
This is not true, although several of the compositions on it had in fact been
performed, in vastly different arrangements, before. The versions on "LMCHM"
were all arranged and performed for the album. The arrangements, it should be
noted, were not actually Mingus'; Sy Johnson put many of them together,
supposedly based on tape recordings of Mingus singing some of the parts (I have
visions of Salieri sitting at Mozart's death bed...)
> I was just wondering if someone could
> refresh my memory on this, and offer an opinion on this CD. How does
> it compare with "Mingus Ah Um", for example ?
It is very different, and has more in common with the posthumous "Epitaph", or
the original Town Hall recording of the work in progress, in that the
compositions are extended (ie, not just AABA heads and head-solos-head forms)
and the arrangements much more orchestral. I think it is very powerful, and
Mingus is said to called this his favorite album (then again, he is also said
to have claimed that about most of what he recorded). But it is a far cry
from the "hard bop" approach of "Ah Um" in a way that, say, Duke Ellington's
extended works differed from his small group recordings.
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Stan Jones
released material is quite complex. First, the only track on Shoes
that is also on Let My Children Hear Music is the title track, Shoes.
The other Shoes tracks are ones that are on Mingus Dynasty, EXCEPT.
The Mingus Dynasty tracks are edited, by Mingus, the Shoes tracks are
unedited and are the same as the ones that appear on the Mosaic box
The Complete 1959 CBS Charles Mingus Sessions (available on lp only).
(The box has other items, too.) So, Let My Children is very different
from Shoes. It should also be noted that Let My Children dates from
1972 (it is the session that Teo Macero forgot to write down the
participants' names for) while Dynasty and Ah Um are from 1959.
Mingus changed musically over 12 years (as any one would) and Let My
Children is, to my ears, different from the 59 recordings (not
necessarily better or worse, just different).
Stan Jones (sjo...@carleton.ca)
AMAZIN' JASON SUMMERS
> I seem to recall reading on this group a long while back that the album
> "Let My Children Hear Music" is a recompilation of some other Mingus
> album(s?) from the sixties. I was just wondering if someone could
> refresh my memory on this, and offer an opinion on this CD. How does
> it compare with "Mingus Ah Um", for example ?
>
orchestral album that was done by mingus. Frankly I prefer albums like "Black
Saint and Sinner Lady" (did I forget the "thes"?) It still grooves but is
somewhat denser and less enjoyable. But hey, Mingus was a genius he could
never really make any huge mistakes (check out the C.D. release of the townhall
concert, contrary to pop. op. it was really pretty cool.)
Jason Summers
Alon Wasserman
: r...@tauon.ph.unimelb.edu.au writes:
: > I seem to recall reading on this group a long while back that the album
: > "Let My Children Hear Music" is a recompilation of some other Mingus
: > album(s?) from the sixties. I was just wondering if someone could
: > refresh my memory on this, and offer an opinion on this CD. How does
: > it compare with "Mingus Ah Um", for example ?
: Actually, the compilation album (now deleted, I believe) was
: called "Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife" and featured cuts off of
: "Let my Children Hear Music", a 1972 release.
"Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife" was indeed a compilation. It included
the majority (but not all) of the "Mingus Dynasty" (1959) album together
with one track from the "Let My Children Hear Music" (1971) album (it has
the Mingusian title "The Shoes of the Fisherman's Wife Are Some Jive Ass
Slippers"). The "Mingus Dynasty" album has since been issued in its
complete form without that track. One should note that the versions
on SOTFW of the Dynasty cuts are the unedited versions (probably the
same as in the Mosaic LP set) while the versions on the Dynasty album
are the originally issued edited (by Mingus) versions.
Alon Wasserman
alo...@math.tau.ac.il
Jean-Etienne Doucet
"Let My Children Hear Music" is not some kind of compilation of
tunes from 1960; this is "The Shoes Of The Fisherman's Wife..."
which includes one track from LMCHM, the other tracks being the
unedited versions of some tracks from "Mingus Dinasty"; what I
don't understand is why the unedited tracks from "Ah Um" (other-
wise known as "Nostalgia In Times Square") aren't reissued ?
BTW, LMCHM is without any hesitation the first Mingus album I
would part with; the last being "The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady".
That's all.
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J'aime bien la nature, mais les fourmis plein le pate', la` je dis stop.
David J. Strauss
particular, strike me as kind of crass, with plenty of high end & that
annoying AM feeling you hear on 60s Basie, et. al. I seem to recall the
primary arranger of the date complaining (I believe this is in Brian
Preistly's book) that he never liked the "muddiness" of the Knepper days
arrangements--something I find rather incomprehsible. Mingus is mud! Long
live mud! Mingus himself, I understand, was only tangentally involved in
the recording, although more so than his previous recordings; he was
still coming off pyschiatric drugs, if I recall Preistly correctly.
Aren't the unedited Ah Um tracks on the Mosaic set? I may be wrong.
Lenworth D. Henry
writes:
I mean, the size of the groups is a big difference.
Lenworth D. Henry
really dug that large group work. I admit, my favourites were Shoes of
the Fisherman's Wife and Hobo Ho--that sax soloing was just too kewl.
Mingus is one of those dudes who you didn't know what to expect from.