Avant-Garde Klezmer?
Keith Myath
> >I wonder if there is such a thing as innovative klezmer, being played today.
You have to check Greg Wall out.
That's what I'd define as new klezmer.
Check his CD "Jews and the abstract truth"
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Ben Sharvy
wonder if there is such a thing as innovative klezmer, being played today.
genuinely exploratory, rather than the same type of sound in new clothing.
Any recomendations would be appreciated!
A band called "Davka" is coming to my town (Eugene, OR)... what are they like?
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with Ornette Coleman. Certainly worth checking out, ven if you don't like
other Zorn you've heard.
cliff
>
>I'm looking for something
> genuinely exploratory, rather than the same type of sound in new clothing.
>
> Any recomendations would be appreciated!
Here's a few that probably qualify: reviews at
http://www.rootsworld.com/rw/feature/klezmer.html
Naftule's Dream
Smash! Clap!
Tzadik (www.tzadik.com)
A Guide For The Perplexed
J.A.M./Knitting Factory (www.knittingfactory.com)
The Andy Statman Quartet
Between Heaven and Earth
Shanachie
There's a number of others on Tzadik, too..... very outside.
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Jack Lefton
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> I've been enjoying cd's by Dave Tarras and Naftule Brandwein, and now I
> wonder if there is such a thing as innovative klezmer, being played today.
> genuinely exploratory, rather than the same type of sound in new clothing.
> Any recomendations would be appreciated!
There a couple of groups of this ilk that I particularly like. One is The
New Klezmer Trio (Ben Goldberg, Dan Seamans, Kenny Wollenson), with a cd
called Masks And Faces, from '91, on Nine Winds Records (NWCD 0144). The had
at least one other release. The other group is the Burton Greene led
Klezmokum, with a self-titled cd on BVHaast (9209). That record had Michael
Moore (of the Clusones) on clarinet. Their second cd (BVHaast 9506),
Jew-azzic Park, has Perry Robinson and Hans Mekel on clarinets, and Patricia
Beysens on vocals. Both records have Roberto Halfifi on drums, and Larry
Fishkind on tuba. The have a more recent cd which I don't have.
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Dr.Matt
A stretch, but possibly the title piece "Kabala" on my album of the same
name fits the bill. It's a classical CD due out in a couple weeks from
MMC Recordings, MMC 2087.
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Walter Davis
fie...@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Dr.Matt) wrote:
>> >I wonder if there is such a thing as innovative klezmer, being
played today.
>
>A stretch, but possibly the title piece "Kabala" on my album of the
same
>name fits the bill. It's a classical CD due out in a couple weeks from
>MMC Recordings, MMC 2087.
>
>
where klezmer ends and other forms of E. European folk music
begins. But there are about a bejilliion klezmer and other E. European
influenced avant-jazz bands these days. Don't know if they've kept it
up, but the Knit even started a "Jewish Alternative Music" (JAM) series.
For pretty heavily klezmer-y, try:
Don Byron, Music of Mickey Katz, Nonesuch (I think)
Klezmatics
Hasidic New Wave, a couple albums on Knitting Factory
Andy Statman has a recent album out (on Sony Classical I think)
and maybe the New Orleans Klezmer All-Stars, although I don't know that
they're all that avant
For more generally klezmer plus other stuff influenced avant-jazz:
Zorn's Masada disks (DIW) -- I think it's disk 3 with the heaviest
klezmer feel
Matt Darriau's Paradox Trio (Knitting Factory)
Joe Maneri -- though the little I've heard isn't all that klezmer-y
Pachora (more Balkan than klezmer) (Knitting Factory)
Dave Douglas's Tiny Bell Trio (also more Balkan than klezmer) -- on
Arabesque, Hat Art, and I think Songlines
there are a ton more that I'm not thinking of. If you're interested in
Jewish culture and some jazz-y takes on it, you should also check out
some of the titles in the Radical Jewish Culture series on Zorn's Tzadik
label. He's got an awfully broad definition of Jewish music (Marc
Bolan? what's next, Alan Sherman? Sammy Davis?), but there's a lot of
interesting stuff in there. And I can't remember if these are part of
the series or not, but they're both on Tzadik, and you should give a
listen to Zeena Parkins's _Maul_ and Anthony Coleman's work (_Sephardic
Tinge_ and the Self-Haters group).
And not on Tzadik, but essential listening (for the entire world IMHO)
is Uri Caine's treatment of Mahler, _Primal Light_ on Winter & Winter.
He's also got a Wagner disk but I haven't heard that yet. But I
consider _Primal Light_ to be a work of true genius, brilliant, moving,
innovative. I'll certainly call it the best album of the last few years
that I've heard, and quite possibly the best of the 90's.
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John H. R.
> Any recomendations would be appreciated!
Anthony Coleman Trio - Sephardic Tinge (Tzadik 7102)
Sephardic Tinge - Morenica (Tzadik 7128)
John H. R.
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Howard Peirce
> Don Byron, Music of Mickey Katz, Nonesuch (I think)
Byron seems to me to be avant-garde in the conception, but not necessarily
the execution. But then, I really like Byron's perverse sense of the term
"experimental." (i.e. "What would happen if we recreated some old comedy
albums and called it art?") This is a good album, though.
> If you're interested in
> Jewish culture and some jazz-y takes on it, you should also check out
> some of the titles in the Radical Jewish Culture series on Zorn's Tzadik
> label. He's got an awfully broad definition of Jewish music (Marc
> Bolan? what's next, Alan Sherman? Sammy Davis?), but there's a lot of
> interesting stuff in there.
Wasn't Zorn behind the recent downtown reappraisal of Burt Bacharach? And
didn't he specifically bring up Bacharach's Jewishness?
I personally would probably dig the hell out of a Zorn version of "Camp
Grenada." I imagine the cover art would be some 19th c. photo of decaying
corpses in upstate New York somewhere...."Hello, mudda. Hello, fadda."
HP
John H. R.
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> And not on Tzadik, but essential listening (for the entire world IMHO)
> is Uri Caine's treatment of Mahler, _Primal Light_ on Winter & Winter.
> He's also got a Wagner disk but I haven't heard that yet. But I
> consider _Primal Light_ to be a work of true genius, brilliant, moving,
> innovative. I'll certainly call it the best album of the last few years
> that I've heard, and quite possibly the best of the 90's.
Is it the *BEST* album I've heard in the
90's? I dunno, but I would agree that
it *IS* absolutely terrific. Uri Caine's
Wagner album is not the same treatment --
it's more like Wagner scaled down to a
small chamber format of string quartet
with piano and accordion. OTOH, the Mahler
project is really wide-ranging; it really
stands out as interesting and very
listenable. It's only drawback may be
how varied it is (but *I* like it that way).
--mark.
William York
> didn't he specifically bring up Bacharach's Jewishness?
He wrote a song called "Bacharach" which is on Masada 7. Only about 1:15
long, but its an obvious tribute/caricature. Saccharine and sentimental
like B.B., then goes into a more klezmer-y part. That album was from a
few years ago.
WY
Marvin Margoshes
The New York Times yesterday (May 1) has a review by Ben Ratliff of a
concert at
the Knitting Factory of jazz music with Jewish motifs. If you don't have
the paper, you can read the review at the paper's Web site
http://www.nytimes.com/. (If you are not already a user of the site, you
have to register but there is no charge. Once there, go to NewYorktoday and
click on "Music".)
It isn't klezmer, but it is innovative Jewish music.
msv...@pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il
> > Any recomendations would be appreciated!
>
> Sephardic Tinge - Morenica (Tzadik 7128)
may be I am wrong, but Klezmer is an ashkenaz jewish music, so if
"sephardic tinge" is really a sephardic music, it must not be considered
as klezmer. But again, me be I am wrong, if so, can somebody explain me
where does klezmer come from? as I understand it, klezmer is from "klei
zemer"- musical instruments, but can this wird be used for all jewish
music?
Walter Davis
Howard Peirce <howard...@sdrc.com> wrote:
>Wasn't Zorn behind the recent downtown reappraisal of Burt Bacharach?
And
>didn't he specifically bring up Bacharach's Jewishness?
>
it. There is a Bacharach "tribute" cd in the Radical Jewish Culture
series. Also Serge Gainsborough. As one might expect, Zorn takes a
very broad view of what constitutes "Jewish music".
Eugene Chadbourne told me that Zorn has approached him about a disk for
the series but they can't agree on what to do. I tossed my suggestion
of Alan Sherman at Eugene but Eugene is thinking more along the lines of
songs from the Marx Bros. (though I guess Zorn wasn't wowed by that
idea). At the least, maybe the final project will be something to do
with comic songs.
By the way, if folks haven't yet, you really owe to yourself to pick up
Steve Lacy's entry into the series, _Sands_. Yet more great solo work
from him.
William York
> songs from the Marx Bros. (though I guess Zorn wasn't wowed by that
> idea).
Actually, the Gary Lucas CD in the series had a Marx Brothers song, I'm
almost certain.
WY
Xkoko
songs from the Marx Bros >>
I'm not familiar with Chadbourne… is he a vocalist? I'm only guessing because
little of Sherman's music (if any is original melodies.) I'm surprised that
more people don't record "To War, to war" from Duck Soup
Jonah
Walter Davis
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><< I tossed my suggestion
>of Alan Sherman at Eugene but Eugene is thinking more along the lines
of
>songs from the Marx Bros >>
>
>I'm not familiar with Chadbourne… is he a vocalist?
Eugene is, well, Eugene. He's a guitarist (and banjo, rake, etc.) and
he'll warble a tune now and then. Sometimes he's Hank Williams meets
Peter Brotzmann, sometimes he's Hank Williams meets Erik Satie. It is
true that not much of Sherman's music is original melodies and any that
were probably wouldn't rank as memorable.
I only toss out Sherman and Sammy as a joke. I'm about as
(theoretically) eclectic as they come, but even I gotta wonder whether
T-Rex is "Jewish music." And if it is, then so is "Camp Grenada", "The
Rebel", "Mononucleosis is the Kissing Disease", and "Streets of Miami"
(my personal fave though definitely not a Sherman melody -- "Never show
your face west of the Fountainbleu again"). And I'd love the irony of a
60 minute improv jam on "the world's shortest song" Love is Lovelier the
7th time around (dedicated to Liz Taylor though we need to update the
lyric).
Matt Snyder
wrote:
>I've been enjoying cd's by Dave Tarras and Naftule Brandwein, and now I
>wonder if there is such a thing as innovative klezmer, being played today.
>I've heard mixed things about the Klezmatics. I'm looking for something
>genuinely exploratory, rather than the same type of sound in new clothing.
>
>Any recomendations would be appreciated!
Burton Greene's group Klezmokum goes mining for little-heard ethnic
Jewish music (i.e. some Sephardic stuff, not Eastern European), and
combines it with a jazz conception. Three albums on the Bv Haast
label.
Andy Statman is worth looking into, also.
Check out http://www.well.com/user/ari/klez/index.html
for more Klezmer info.
Matt Snyder
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Be lyin
All-Stars certainly are modern klezmer, truer perhaps to the function of
klezmer than to any rigidly defined "tradition" of form. And in live
performance they can get quite out, especially the guitarist Jonathan Freilich.
They have four records. The latest is called FRESH OUT OF THE PAST on
Shanachie, perhaps meaning they have run out of the past since all the tunes on
this one were written by the group. They are playing the Knitting Factory this
month, I believe on the 21st. Highly recommended.
Benjamin Lyons
Gary Milliken
><< I tossed my suggestion
>of Alan Sherman at Eugene but Eugene is thinking more along the lines of
>songs from the Marx Bros >>
One response:
>...little of Sherman's music (if any) is original melodies.
That would be the main problem. For those too young to know,
Allen Sherman was a humorist who set new words to existing familiar
melodies, so the only way he could be "tributed" was with the words,
and that's probably not Zorn's approach.
For example, Sherman's most familiar record is the "Hello Muddah,
Hello Faddah" thing, which uses a familiar stretch of the "Dance of
the Hours" ballet music from Ponchielli's opera "La Gioconda" (the
music is far more familiar than the opera from which it comes).
My favorite Sherman tune is based on the pop standard "You Came a
Long Way from St. Louis" (which enjoyed a temporary resurgence of
popularity in the 1960s). He made this a song about Louis XVI at
the dawn of the French Revolution: "You Went the Wrong Way, Old
King Louis".
GM
Marvin Margoshes
>wrote:
>
>>I've been enjoying cd's by Dave Tarras and Naftule Brandwein, and now I
>>wonder if there is such a thing as innovative klezmer, being played today.
>>I've heard mixed things about the Klezmatics. I'm looking for something
>>genuinely exploratory, rather than the same type of sound in new clothing.
>>
>>Any recomendations would be appreciated!
They have a Web site where you can find the reviews at
http://www.thejewishweek.com/jwcurr.exe?99043035/.
rink e. dinkus
be one of the funniest things i've ever heard. perhaps the ultimate
sherman album is "my son the nut" which was recorded live and is even more
priceless as a result. i may have the title wrong-it may be "my som the
folk-singer."
pcl
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