Andrew Cyrille Question

Sheryl D. Chapin

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Nov 14, 1990, 11:22:27 PM11/14/90

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I was wondering if anyone out there could provide me with leads to the
music of Andrew Cyrille ASIDE FROM WHAT HE PLAYED WITH CECIL TAYLOR.
I'm very familiar with his material with Taylor, and love it. Now I'm
wondering what he did elsewise.

The only CD I've seen with his name on it is a duet with Jimmy Lyons.
I haven't picked it up (but I will tomorrow). What else is out there?

Thanks

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William Tsun-Yuk Hsu

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Nov 15, 1990, 1:18:19 PM11/15/90

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Andrew Cyrille's played on a ton of records. Look in Muhal Richard
Abrams' old Black Saint dates. _Colors in 33rd_ is my favorite of
the ones I've heard. Cyrille is not always very prominent in
these recordings.

A recent Cyrille project is the duets with pianist Paul Plimley
(who's based in either Seattle or Vancouver, Nou would know). I
was really impressed with Plimley in the 3 or 4 very diverse sets
that I saw him in (in Vancouver and Seattle). The Cyrille/Plimley
duets were amazing, they sound like they've been playing together
for years. I *think* a CD may be out on Nine Winds (Nou?)

Cyrille is on an Intakt CD, again duets with a pianist, this time
Irene Schweizer. Haven't heard it, but I'm sure it's interesting.

Bill

Damballah Wedo

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Nov 15, 1990, 1:22:07 PM11/15/90

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In article <3...@rick.att.com>, s...@rick.att.com (Sheryl D. Chapin) writes:
> I was wondering if anyone out there could provide me with leads to the
> music of Andrew Cyrille ASIDE FROM WHAT HE PLAYED WITH CECIL TAYLOR.
> I'm very familiar with his material with Taylor, and love it. Now I'm
> wondering what he did elsewise.

Ah yes, Drumman Cyrille, as Muhal calls him. He's done quite a bit of
stuff, but not much given his stature. Anyway under his own name look
for his albums with Maono. I understand there are two Maono albums, though
I have and have only seen, one: METAMUSICIAN'S STOMP (Black Saint
1978) with the powerful tenor player David S. Ware. Great music.
Another *excellent* Cyrille project is PIECES OF TIME (Soul Note 1984)
a live concert recordings of a stellar all-percussion ensemble: Kenny
Clarke, Cyrille, Milford Graves, and Famoudou Don Moye. What great
music! it swings, it sings, it's beautiful in ways I never thought a
drum ensemble could be (and it's all drums -- no vibes, marimba, etc as
can be found in M'Boom). I know of a coupld of other albums, but these
two are all I have of Cyrille as a leader (he organized the PIECES
concert, so he rates as its leader.)

Cyrille is also featured on John Carter's great series of albums: DAWHE
(Black Saint 1982), CASTLES OF GHANA (Gramavision 1986), DANCE OF THE LOVE
GHOSTS (1987), FIELDS (1988) and SHADOWS ON A WALL (1989). The last three
are all on Gramavision. These albums have been discussed here before. Suffice
it to say that they are some of the best mid-size group music since Mingus
died.

Cyrille as a sideman: Geri Allen's THE PRINTMAKERS (Minor Music 1984). Oliver
Lake's OTHERSIDE (Gramavision 1988). Jimmy Lyons' OTHER AFTERNOONS (BYG
1969). David Murray's 3D FAMILY (Hat Hut 1978). Muhal Richard Abrams' BLUES
FOREVER (1981), VIEW FROM WITHIN (1985) and COLOURS IN THIRTY-THIRD (1987),
all on Black Saint.

etc, etc, etc.
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Sandeep Mehta

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Nov 16, 1990, 9:40:28 AM11/16/90

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There's one other Cyrille leader date on BlackSaint w/ Jimmy Lyons -
SOMETHING IN RETURN.

Cyrille also appears (as co-leader?) on an interesting Czech album by
guitarist Rudolf Dasek - INTERLANDING (Supraphon) that I mentioned some
weeks back on r.m.b. While Cyrille himself is not spectacular I like the
music esp. the textures that Dasek and his sidemen are able to produce.

sandeep
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Tom B. O'Toole

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Nov 16, 1990, 2:29:46 PM11/16/90

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He was the drummer for the Peter Blegvad/John Greaves band "Kew Rhone"

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Nou Dadoun

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Nov 18, 1990, 7:02:53 PM11/18/90

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I'll get some of the questions in first:

(Bill Hsu) writes:

> A recent Cyrille project is the duets with pianist Paul Plimley
> (who's based in either Seattle or Vancouver, Nou would know). I
> was really impressed with Plimley in the 3 or 4 very diverse sets
> that I saw him in (in Vancouver and Seattle). The Cyrille/Plimley
> duets were amazing, they sound like they've been playing together
> for years. I *think* a CD may be out on Nine Winds (Nou?)

Paul Plimley was born and raised in Vancouver, and is still based here
although he has recently been spending a lot of time on the road as he's
been starting to get the recognition he deserves. He first met Cecil
Taylor at Karl Berger's Woodstock school in the late 70's and following
some other chance encounters at the Banff school, they became fairly close
friends (I've heard stories that CT was elsewhere in the school when
Paul started playing, but within three minutes CT dropped what he was doing
and rushed over to check this guy out.) Paul was in Berlin for the 1988 CT
'festival' and appears on the FMP box.

From this (and other connections) Paul met and started playing with Andrew
Cyrille, they haven't released any recordings (although I know they've made
some) but are planning to as soon as they have something they feel is
'right'. Paul has been producing local recordings (cassettes mainly) for
quite a few years, but in the last year has had some more widely available
recordings.

Paul Plimley and Lisle Ellis (bassist formerly from Vancouver now living in
Montreal) have recorded a duets CD for (Vinnie Golia's) Nine Winds label
which Mark Miller (jazz critic for the Globe and Mail) compared to the
Ellington/Blanton duets. "Both Sides of the Same Mirror" while perhaps not
pleasing all fans of the Ellington stuff does have a lot to offer and
Cecil Taylor disciples in particular would be advised to check it out.
(There's a great Hendrix cover on it.) There's also a Plimley track on
the New Orchestra Workshop release "The Future is NOW" also on Nine Winds
and one on the Victo CD document of the 1989 Victoriaville festival
"Dix Improvisations". Last year Paul (and Cyrille, I think)
participated in a Dennis Gonzales New Dallas Sextet recording
for the Silkheart label.

(Sandeep Mehta) writes:

>Paul Plimley was a major feature of the NY IS NOW Canadian avante-garde
>festival held @ the Knitting Factory (where else :-)) last month.
>Plimley appeared w/ Leslie Ellis, Andrew Cyrille and also solo.
>Unfortunately I missed the Cyrille+Plimley gig (there's only sooo much
>"downtown" I can catch every month :-() , but now that the topic is back
>on the air, what have these two recorded? (Bill?, Nou?)

>sandeep

I meant to post something about this but (typically) got drowned in other
stuff. The KF connection is something that the locals have been working
on for quite a while (along with the Canadian department of External Affairs).
I've written briefly about the NOW being a loosely based collective of
Vancouver musicians who have a number of aggregations exploring contemporary
(Jazz derived) improvised musics. A number of groups come out of this
and several were featured at the KF in NYC on Oct. 29, 30, and 31.
This includes Plimley/Ellis, Lunar Adventures (they have
their own Nine Winds release "Live in Seattle") and Chief Feature
(they have a cut on the NOW sampler). Tossed in for good measure
were Cyrille playing with Plimley and Marilyn Crispell (a local favorite
and perrenial Vancouver visitor) playing with Ellis.
By all reports, it went very well and was reasonably well attended.

The following week was the annual Vancouver fall music series Time Flies
which featured Marilyn Crispell's trio (Reggie Workman/Gerry Hemingway),
Peter Brotzmann, Tom Walsh's NOMA (featuring Bern Nix on guitar), David Moss's
Direct Sound (minus Shelley Hirsch), Claude Ranger's Jade Orchestra
and an aggregation of locals, the Taylor/Kane Explosion, Garbo's Hat,
Bill Clark's Sextet etc.

Thanks to all who responded to my request for Reggie Workman info (in
particular those who pointed out (net denizen) Gary Chapin Parker's article
in Option (great article by the way). The interview went very well and I'll
try to turn it into an article soon as I clear off my desk.
Check out two exceptional new releases on the Music and Arts label,
Marilyn Crispell's (solo) Live in San Francisco, and Reggie Workman's
Images. Not as strong but still rewarding is the Crispell/Braxton duets
recording Live in Vancouver (from the 1989 Jazz festival).

I get notes from people every once in a while asking what I'm doing now,
I'm not posting as much as I used to since I'm (quite) busy these days.
I (successfully) defended my thesis in September and I'm now teaching 2
courses in the Computer Science department at UBC (and trying to get some
papers out the door, only moderately successfully), I'm co-owner of
a Vancouver Jazz/Folk/International (etc.) record store called Black Swan
Records (which I'm trying to re-organize, computerize, and mail-orderize),
I still do a bi-weekly Jazz (etc.) radio show (the A-Trane) on a local station
(Vancouver Cooperative Radio CFRO 102.7 FM), I'm on the Board of Directors of
the local Jazz society (Coastal Jazz and Blues), I'm doing some writing for
CODA, and so on.... All in all, busy but lots of fun.

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Sheryl D. Chapin

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Nov 19, 1990, 8:18:26 PM11/19/90

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I've had a very frustrating week with my mailer so I'v not been able to
contact any of the folks who have answered my request for Andrew Cyrille
info. The main thing is, thanks! I spent all day today at the institute
of jazz studies (Newark, NJ) tracking down some of the more unusual leads.
Oddly enough, I'd forgotten the John Carter Octet things when I posted my
original query, as well as his dates with Muhal Richard Abrams (one of my
favorite people) -- I already own all of them! I guess that's what I get for
starting research for an article after spending two weeks painting and
moving into a new house.

Thanks again, I got a shitload of good music from this one post!

Seth Katz

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Nov 20, 1990, 8:42:49 PM11/20/90

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To add to the list, check out:
The Leaders
duets with Vladamir Tarasov (upcoming CD from Kensington)
work with John Carter, including "Fields"
-Seth

Marc Wiener

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Nov 21, 1990, 9:09:40 AM11/21/90

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In article <1990Nov21.0...@odin.corp.sgi.com> s...@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz) writes:
>
>To add to the list, check out:
>The Leaders
>duets with Vladamir Tarasov (upcoming CD from Kensington)
>work with John Carter, including "Fields"
>-Seth

There is also:
Manfred Zepf meets Andrew Cyrille "Paintings"
a 1987 release on West Wind Records. Zepf is a bass player and thre rest of
the group are also Germans that I never heard of.
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the termite of temptation

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Nov 28, 1990, 8:16:46 PM11/28/90

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Broadcasting live from Mars, here's ace reporter s...@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz):

>To add to the list, check out:
>The Leaders

Huh? The first two Leaders albums, and the Leaders Trio album, all have
Famadou Don Moye on drums. Are you perhaps referring to the new Leaders
album, which I read an allusion to recently but haven't heard anything
else about at all? If so, how is it? If not, what are you referring to?
And what about Naomi?

So many questions,

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Seth Katz

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Dec 3, 1990, 1:27:45 PM12/3/90

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I stand corrected and bow to Stewart and his awesome library.
I was thinking of an incarnation of the Reggie Workman Ensemble.
Both RWE and The Leaders played my local jazz club around the same
time, I guess...
-s