Charly - Strata East, BYG Actuel Listing?
Marc Neville
catalogues.
Does anyone know of a listing of all of these?
Do they plan to eventually reissue their entire catalogues?
Where is the best place to purchase these?
Thanks.
Marc Neville
Studio City, CA
marcn...@worldnet.att.net
Reg Schwager
> The Charly Label has been reissuing on CD the Strata East and BYG Actuel
> catalogues.
> Does anyone know of a listing of all of these?
You could try looking at <http://www.amazon.co.uk/>. It may involve a
bit of diligent searching.
-reg
Simon Weil
>
>> The Charly Label has been reissuing on CD the Strata East and BYG Actuel
>> catalogues.
>> Does anyone know of a listing of all of these?
>
You can do a label search for Charly at this url:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/music-at-query-page//026-3529289-7347230
It gives 700+ entries, so diligent is right!
Simon Weil
beelzbubba
>catalogues.
>Does anyone know of a listing of all of these?
>Where is the best place to purchase these?
This subject, for me, is analogous to the MP3 piracy discussion. Strata-East
has its own website (www.serecs.com) listing th eofficial releases of
Strata-East, mostly Tolliver/Music, Inc. dates.
Charly has been caught and convicted of bootlegging in the past, and since
these Strata-East reissues on Charly are NOT official SE releases, but use the
original artwork, etc., my guess is that they are still at it.
I was in London and found Clifford Jordan's _Glass Bead Games_, something I
have on vinyl, but wanted on cd. I bought it, not thinking about whether it was
an official release. On coming back to the states, I contacted the staff at
Strata-East to ask if they had licensed other of the Jordan produced "Dolphy
Series" SE releases. Their answer was that most of the non-Tolliver non-Cowell
SE's were licensed from the artists involved, SE being essentially a musicians'
record label. Thus, records such as Jordan's _In The World_ or Charles
Brackeen's _Rhythm X_ have reverted to the artist (or estate). Charly is not
afaik paying anybody anything --certainly not Strata East, who claimed no
knowledge of the release of Glass Bead Games, and were a bit p'o'ed about the
idea of Tolliver SE's, which Tolliver himself is keeping alive on SE, being
released on Charly.
Now, maybe I've got my facts skewed, but it sounds to me like Charly is the
"Hard Copy" version of a Napster-dl.
It poses an ethical dilemma, imo.
release me from aohell to email
beelzbubba
>The Charly Label has been reissuing on CD the Strata East and BYG Actuel
>catalogues.
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also relevant:from:
http://www.grayzone.com/1297.htm
MCA Wins Five Year Battle Against Charly Records
The Supreme Court refused to review an appeals court decision that U.K.-based
Charly Records Ltd. and its affiliates had violated the rights of Universal
Music's MCA Records by marketing records from Chess Records "Masters"
collection, ending a five year dispute between the companies. MCA was awarded
$8.4 million in copyright-infringement-violation damages.
(Billboard, 10/18/97 - Bill Holland)
Charly Records also rates highly on Sue Mingus' list of bootlegged disks to
avoid.
The ethical dilemma for me? There are cd's I would like to have, mostly copies
of vinyl I already own, that are on Charly. Since I know that they are one of
the companies that took advantage of the looser (read nonexistent) European
copyright laws, I have a better than 90% feel that these are records for which
royalties are not being paid.
On the other hand, noone is busting their butts to try to legitimately release
Jordan's records originally on Strata-East, or the BYG/Actuel dates of Braxton
or Shepp, or Cherry, or Sunny Murray - just a few of the BYG's I have on vinyl.
And who knows if the artists were ever paid for those?????
I'd do it (legitimately) myself, if I had half a notion how -- though I assume
right out of the gate that I don't have the requisite funds. Efforts at
contacting One Way Records, Koch Records, and the Clifford Jordan estate have
not proved fruitful.
So, the music remains unavailable legally, but there are those tempting
"gray-label" disks out there. Personally, I stopped buying Charly when I
learned of their practices, because I have too many musician friends trying to
make it, without supporting a company that makes money off artists without
obtaining license.
Jay
Marc Neville
But, as you said, no one else is even trying to release some of this stuff.
I have tried to contact Strata East twice, but they never have returned my
e-mail.
They have had a "Coming Soon" listing for a recording titled "Right Now" on
their web site for what seems like almost 2 years.
http://www.serecs.com/coming.html
It says it is from the Strata East library.
The line-up looks very similar to Arista / Freedom's "Paper Man", which also
needs to be reissued.
Here are some links from Michael Fitzgerald's discography site that show us
what we are missing:
http://www.eclipse.net/~fitzgera/labels/byg.htm
http://www.magma.ca/~dwatson/Strataeast.html
It looks like CD 9020 was a reissue of "Glass Bead Games".
Marc Neville
Studio City, CA
marcn...@worldnet.att.net
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neato
clifford jordan quintet-glass bead games- was reissued on cd in 1992...
marketed by the german- bellaphon- label... cat # 660-51-017..features 3
tracks by bassist bill lee(spikes dad)
cheers
all my mistakes were once acts of genius
ne...@pipeline.com
Marc Neville
http://www.onelist.com/group/Avant-Garde
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From: "G L" <lan...@libcom.com>
Forwarded message from DroneOn list:
Someone asked about the Charly reissues of thr BYG Actuel material.
To the best
of my knowledge they're reissuing most of the improv material that
can get
doubled up on CD first.
They were pretty unclear about whether they'd be doing the whole set,
however,
especially those already tackled by Spalax, the titles that weren't
recorded as
part of the
festival, and other rock or composed titles. The first thing out is a
three CD
set that Thurston Moore & I compiled & annotated. It touches some of
the series'
highpoints. Charly
had asked us about annotating further stuff, but they lost interest
when we
suggested that we'd be more inclined to do it if they compensated the
artists
first (most of the
musicians have never recieved a penny after their initial
couple-hundred dollar
live fees). Anyway, they're planning a bunch of CDs and the notes
they've gotten
for the first
three are quite good. Still, they don't seem to know anything about
extant
out-takes (even though there's an otherwise unreleased Sonny Murray
track on
their own mid-'70s
_History of Jazz Vol. 10_ comp).
Go figure.
Byron
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"Marc Neville" <marcn...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> The Charly Label has been reissuing on CD the Strata East and BYG Actuel
> catalogues.
> Does anyone know of a listing of all of these?
> Do they plan to eventually reissue their entire catalogues?
> Where is the best place to purchase these?
>
> Thanks.
George Scala
mentioned in the previous post? thanks.
George Scala
http://www.mindspring.com/~scala
On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:55:01 GMT, "Marc Neville"
<marcn...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Forwarded from ONElist's "Avant-Garde" group:
>http://www.onelist.com/group/Avant-Garde
>
>-----
>
>From: "G L" <lan...@libcom.com>
>
>Forwarded message from DroneOn list:
Eric Barry
he said the owner of Charly was one of the owners of BYG and
maintains that he has rights to the catalog and doesn't owe anyone
for them.
--Eric
> three are quite good. Still, they don't seem to know anything about
> extant
> out-takes (even though there's an otherwise unreleased Sonny Murray
> track on
> their own mid-'70s
> _History of Jazz Vol. 10_ comp).
> Go figure.
beelzbubba
>
>> It looks like CD 9020 was a reissue of "Glass Bead Games".
>
>clifford jordan quintet-glass bead games- was reissued on cd in 1992...
>marketed by the german- bellaphon- label... cat # 660-51-017..features 3
>tracks by bassist bill lee(spikes dad)
>cheers
>
Yes, and as already covered, not with the participation of Strata-East.
Bellaphon copied many of the Strata's and several of the ESP-disks.
beelzbubba
>Date: 3/24/2000 9:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <38DB7FE0...@columbia.edu>
>
>I emailed Byron (Coley, who annotated the new issues) about this and
>he said the owner of Charly was one of the owners of BYG and
>maintains that he has rights to the catalog and doesn't owe anyone
>for them.
>
>--Eric
That doesn't excuse their piracy of Strata-East, Chess, MCA, does it?