What are the 5 RAREST jazz CD's
cbod...@hotmail.com
bored with my collection. I'm always on the hunt for new stuff and was
hoping some of you good folks out there could hip me to something good,
but CHALLENGING to find. In that spirit I'm asking all the jazz
fanatics out there to suggest to me their TOP 5 (let's keep it to five,
if possible) hard to find, out-of-print, imports or domestic, prize
possessions. Now here's the real challenge. NO Blue Notes ...
everybody has 'em or wants 'em (witness the ebay madness) and frankly
with over 200 in my collection I've OD'ed on the Blue Note Sound. OK,
folks hit me with your best shot(s)....
Thanks,
Chris
ps. I guess I should lead off;
1. Mingus, Live in Monterey, (japanese import)
2. Air, Air Lore
3. Horace Tapscott, West Coast Hot
4. Miles Davis, No Blues
5. Cecil Taylor, Silent Tongues
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D Royko
>1. Mingus, Live in Monterey, (japanese import)
>2. Air, Air Lore
>3. Horace Tapscott, West Coast Hot
>4. Miles Davis, No Blues
>5. Cecil Taylor, Silent Tongues
Wow, my collection's self esteem just went up. I didn't realize all of those
discs are 'rare' these days (well, maybe I knew "No Blues" was). Maybe I should
hit e-bay myself, but the only problem is, I only have one copy of each of
those, and I like them all.
One CD I've yet to have luck tracking down is Sonny Criss--Live in Italy. Also,
Ibrahim's "Ekaya" CD, which I've never even seen (I have the old LP, but the
pressing is slightly off-center).
Dave Royko
Michael Kelly
>Wow, my collection's self esteem just went up. I didn't realize all of those
>discs are 'rare' these days (well, maybe I knew "No Blues" was). Maybe I should
>hit e-bay myself, but the only problem is, I only have one copy of each of
>those, and I like them all.
Hmmm, I'm surprised I have one on the list. I have
No Blues and didn't realize it was rare. Anyway,
if you have a CD burner you could back up your
copies. One nice thing about CD burners being
on all the new PCs is, just like tape cassette, if
it's convenient to record and people have lots
of stuff in that format then it might not disappear.
I'd hate to have to rebuy all my jazz CDs just to
get a 2" format to be able to play in a player,
if you know what I mean. Plus it looks like
the DVD disk players are going to be backward
compatible for a while(or so I've heard) to play
conventional 5" CDs.
Mike
--
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
-- Groucho Marx
John Powell
at the Immodium?" on Polymarc?
Murphy McMahon
(Monterey and No Blues). If anyone does not have a moral obligation to
prevent ILLEGAL distribution of this out-of-print material, I'd more than
willing to compensate you for your time with a 2:1 (blank CDr's and postage)
or something reasonable. Honestly, I'd just like to hear the music, so a
tape or mp3 would be nearly as good. (Not expecting anyone to take me up on
this, but I had to try).
--
Murph
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Hal Vickery
no...@webtv.net wrote:
> What are the 10 rarest Jazz LP's?
> . . .
I'm sure JUNK (Jazz University's New Kicks) has to be one of them. I have
a 28-year-old tape I got from a college roommates LP of it.
nsmf
Martin Milgrim
counting as one) that are most probably all bootlegs as they're live
recordings:
1) John Coltrane - GRAZ CONCERT, Vols. 1 & 2 (Nov '62), Magnetic label
2) Miles Davis - PEACOCK ALLEY 1956 (with Coltrane) - Soulard label
3) Joe Henderson - PUNJAB (Nov '86, with all female rhythm section), Arco
label
4) Bobby Hutcherson-Harold Land - BLOW-UP (July '69 concert), JMY label
5) Lucky Thompson - LIVE IN SWITZERLAND, 1968/69, Jazz Helvet label.
Martin
cbod...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I don't mean to get into a pi**ing contest or anything its just that I'm
> bored with my collection. I'm always on the hunt for new stuff and was
> hoping some of you good folks out there could hip me to something good,
> but CHALLENGING to find. In that spirit I'm asking all the jazz
> fanatics out there to suggest to me their TOP 5 (let's keep it to five,
> if possible) hard to find, out-of-print, imports or domestic, prize
> possessions. Now here's the real challenge. NO Blue Notes ...
> everybody has 'em or wants 'em (witness the ebay madness) and frankly
> with over 200 in my collection I've OD'ed on the Blue Note Sound. OK,
> folks hit me with your best shot(s)....
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> ps. I guess I should lead off;
>
> 1. Mingus, Live in Monterey, (japanese import)
> 2. Air, Air Lore
> 3. Horace Tapscott, West Coast Hot
> 4. Miles Davis, No Blues
> 5. Cecil Taylor, Silent Tongues
>
BOBVL
>From: "John Powell" johnp...@mindspring.com
>Date: 2/29/00 7:22 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <89hr34$jdk$1...@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>
>
> Just how rare is the original issue of "Ike and Tina Brooks Live
>at the Immodium?" on Polymarc?
About as rare as Ornette Coleman and Muggsy Spanier play Bach Cantatas
bvl=
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Bill
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Terry Leonard
>fanatics out there to suggest to me their TOP 5 (let's keep it to five,
>if possible) hard to find, out-of-print, imports or domestic, prize
>possessions.
I don't know about 5, but 1 would have to be the very first MFSL CD.
Promo only, 24 kt gold, various artists sampler. Dynamite stuff &
just about impossible to find.
Regards,
Terry
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James T. Kirk
I picked up a few copies at the mall for 99 cents.
No sorry, I don't have a spare to sell since I gave it to a friend.
Steve Edwards
BeelzBubba
> In that spirit I'm asking all the jazz
>fanatics out there to suggest to me their TOP 5 (let's keep it to five,
>if possible) hard to find, out-of-print, imports or domestic, prize
>possessions.
In The World - Clifford Jordan, Strata-East, vinyl
Now's The Time/Epistrophy - Richard Davis, Muse-Japanese Import
Infinite Search - Miroslav Vitous, Embryo/Atlantic Jpn Import
Spiritual Unity - Albert Ayler, German limited pressingof ESP-disk
(tie) Relativity Suite/Gardens of Harlem - JCOA (Don Cherry/Clifford Thornton
respectively), JCOA Records, vinyl.
Glenn Wilson
1. No Blues - Miles - I was lucky enough to pick up a copy of this from
Cadence about 5 years ago. I guess it's out of print now. I have quite a
large collection of lives Miles and I would put No Blues right at the top.
Besides having Masqualero (?sp) and Riot and I Fall in Love Too Easily which
are kind of rare, the band is just so mature at this point (1967). I LOVE
all the Plugged Nickel and there are a lot of great moments on there, but
...
2. I have a three LP set of Trane at the Half Note live on the Affinity
label. Recorded in 1965. The sound quality sucks but the music is
unbelievable. Frightening in it's intensity. As with No Blues, this is the
group at it's maturity.
3. Davisiana, Sindelfingen and any other of the 1964 recordings of Miles
group in Europe.
I was thinking back on some of my rare LPs and a lot of them have been
released on CD, which suprises me.
Pepper Adams Plays the Music of Charles Mingus is one example. I didn't
think I'd see this on CD, but it's out. I was copying UNITY for people for
years before that came out on CD.
I guess now that I'm re-reading the subject line, I'm responding with LPs
and CDs. Oh well.
Glenn
<cbod...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:89hhkb$fs8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I don't mean to get into a pi**ing contest or anything its just that I'm
> bored with my collection. I'm always on the hunt for new stuff and was
> hoping some of you good folks out there could hip me to something good,
> but CHALLENGING to find. In that spirit I'm asking all the jazz
> fanatics out there to suggest to me their TOP 5 (let's keep it to five,
> if possible) hard to find, out-of-print, imports or domestic, prize
Tom Walls
You're killing me. I've been looking for this for years.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/
Tom Walls
says...
>
>Now's The Time/Epistrophy - Richard Davis, Muse-Japanese Import
>
Cobblestone?
DOUG NORWOOD
Is this one really that rare? Being a LT specialist, I obtained a copy of
this at the time it was issued and never really thought about its rarity.
A couple of LPs that REALLY ARE rare are the LP Lucky made for the
subscription only CAD label in France in 1956 and the Polydor with Sammy
Price from one of his later stays in Europe.
A couple of others I have which, I suspect might be a bit rare are The
Pepper-Knepper Quintet and Toshiko Akiyoshi's United Notions, both on
Metrojazz, The Modernity of Bob Brookmeyer on Clef and his Kansas City
Revisited on United Artists and several on the Strata-East and Black Jazz
labels, all of which I bought for damn near nothing from cutout bins.
DougN
Martin Milgrim <mmil...@gate.net> wrote in message
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> OK, here's 5 (the 1st one listed is actually 2 separate CDs which I'm
> counting as one) that are most probably all bootlegs as they're live
> recordings:
>
> 5) Lucky Thompson - LIVE IN SWITZERLAND, 1968/69, Jazz Helvet label.
>
> Martin
>
D Royko
<glenn....@pobox.com> writes:
>1. No Blues - Miles - I was lucky enough to pick up a copy of this from
>Cadence about 5 years ago. I guess it's out of print now. I have quite a
>large collection of lives Miles and I would put No Blues right at the top.
>Besides having Masqualero (?sp) and Riot and I Fall in Love Too Easily which
>are kind of rare, the band is just so mature at this point (1967). I LOVE
>all the Plugged Nickel and there are a lot of great moments on there, but
I've trumpeted the joys of this disc before, too, but I'll join in again--I too
put it at the top of the list of live Miles recordings (I have maybe 20 Miles
boots, all pre-1970), for the same reasons Glenn cites, as well as for the
sound, the best sound quality I have of ANY lives Miles recording, and that
includes boots as well as legit releases.
Dave Royko
Dan Given
>
> In article <38BD1D49...@enterprise.com>, j...@enterprise.com says...
> >
> >A few years ago Air Lore wasn't so rare.
> >I picked up a few copies at the mall for 99 cents.
> >No sorry, I don't have a spare to sell since I gave it to a friend.
> >
> >Steve Edwards
> >
>
> You're killing me. I've been looking for this for years.
I'm pretty sure I saw a used copy of this just last week. I didn't
realize it was now becoming hard to find. As for the other discs on the
original poster's list -- West Coast Hot??? I used to see these things
around almost for free. I think I paid a dollar for mine at a flee
market, and the guy had a big box of them. There are still copies
floating around delete bins in Canada.
What is rare -- who knows, it probably depends on where you live. The
toughest thing for me to track down was The Complete Braxton. Unless it
was issued by Black Lion recently, I would call this rare. I have a
Japanese CD that was damn near impossible to find, and I paid far too
much for it. Now I see it regularly on vinyl, but when I wanted to hear
it, I couldn't find it that way. C'est la vie.
Other than that, I've probably got lots of things stacked up in the
closet that people might think are rare, and would probably be pissed
off that I've just got them stored in boxes, not even accessible at the
moment.
Rarity is, however, relative to the demand. Labels like Tautology,
Spool, and Fringes release things in less than 500. Then there are CD-R
labels like Limited Sedition, with pressings as low as 50. These are
rare -- but they aren't being sought after. Hell, Milo Fine was issuing
records in batches of 500 a decade ago, but you can still get them. Is
this rare -- 500 copies is a low number?
Dan
Lee Spector
D Royko wrote:
> In article <89hhkb$fs8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, cbod...@hotmail.com writes:
> >1. Mingus, Live in Monterey, (japanese import)
> >2. Air, Air Lore
> >3. Horace Tapscott, West Coast Hot
> >4. Miles Davis, No Blues
> >5. Cecil Taylor, Silent Tongues
>
> Wow, my collection's self esteem just went up. I didn't realize all of those
> discs are 'rare' these days (well, maybe I knew "No Blues" was). Maybe I should
> hit e-bay myself, but the only problem is, I only have one copy of each of
> those, and I like them all.
>
D Royko
The version of "Live in Italy" I've seen listed on CD is on DIW, recorded in
the '70s. The Fresh Sounds/Criss material that I know of pulls material from
the 40s/50s.
Dave Royko
Howard Peirce
Ah, but who can forget "Binary Bolden," that came out around 1983, and
quickly disappeared? Rare 7-bit CD from the very origins of digital
music. Running a laser across pits in the bricks of buildings
surrounding Congo Square, engineers were able to pick up traces of the
sound of Buddy Bolden's horn.
HP
DOUG NORWOOD
I have three Sonny Criss CDs on Fresh Sound. One IS "Live In Italy" with
the George Arvanitas Trio, recorded in Bologne Jan 28 74.
DougN
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D Royko
<DOUG_N...@prodigy.net> writes:
>I have three Sonny Criss CDs on Fresh Sound. One IS "Live In Italy" with
>the George Arvanitas Trio, recorded in Bologne Jan 28 74.
Shazzaamm, that makes two editions of the CD I've had no luck in locating. . .
Thanks for the info.
Dave Royko
Marc Sabatella
> Hmmm, I'm surprised I have one on the list. I have
> No Blues and didn't realize it was rare.
I've got it too. I suspect that lots of people bought it when it first
became widely available, but then someone probably shut them down for
copyright violation, since I gather it was your basic unauthorized
bootleg. I have a friend who is a Tony Williams freak, and in his quest
to own every recording that Williams ever played on, No Blues is one of
the few he is missing.
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BeelzBubba
writes:
>If this is rare, how about Philosophy of the Spiritual - Ricahrd Davis,
>Cobblestone?
I took the criteria as independent variables, rare or highly prized or hard to
find or out-of-print, so most of mine fit one or more of these categories. I
remember seeing Philosophy of the Spiritual, but don't remember the music as
vividly as I did Epistrophy. This one haunted me until I found it. At the
Virgin Megastore on the Champs D'Elysee.
Glenn Wilson
Riot is unbelievable!! You should at least burn him a copy.
Glenn
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Marc Sabatella
> Marc - that's too bad, because Tony is on fire that night. His
playing on
> Riot is unbelievable!! You should at least burn him a copy.
Hmmm, I guess I must no have the same CD you guys do. Mine doesn't have
"Riot" or several of the other tracks mentioned in this thread - the
only original is "Agitation". The actual title of the CD I have seems
to be "No (More) Blues". Oh well.
Frank Malczewski
the main reason
being that the same material was available much more cheaply on the Miles Davis
Gold Collection CD...
I still would love to have a few more of the Coltrane Magnetics, and the Kirk one
too... And Last Exit's Headfirst Into The Flames. And the first Miniature CD.
And the AEC 1969-70 CD. That pretty well covers the toughest ones for me.
Anybody? :^)
H. Loess
>Thought I had this title, but looked and it was No (More) Blues (too). Anyhow,
>the main reason
>being that the same material was available much more cheaply on the Miles Davis
>Gold Collection CD...
Minus two titles: "No Blues" and "Riot".
I'll also chime in with the rest in naming "No Blues" as *the* live
recording by the Quintet.
--
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Robert J. Dewar
And I guess it will never be available in my lifetime.
Robert J Dewar
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Ed Rhodes, Jr.
>I'll also chime in with the rest in naming "No Blues" as *the* live
>recording by the Quintet.
A strong recording, to be sure, but I'll express a mild preference for
the Berlin date on JazzUp 320, "Miles Davis Quintet, Live In Europe".
Interesting, though, this rarity thing. I suppose that anything by a
prominent figure like Miles on labels such as Magnetic, JazzUp, Jazz
Music Yesterday, JBOP, Royal Jazz, Landscape, etc., is a rarity since
the Europeans stopped pressing these items when the copyright laws
change. They are all hard to get now but I'd be surprised if any of
them qualified as the out and out rarest of cd's.
I gave a little thought as to what the rarest cd's in my collection
would be. I have a bunch of the above labels but my sense is that my
Coltrane box, Rarecd 11/15, "John Coltrane: The Legendary Masters
Unissued or Rare, 1951-65", was pressed in smaller quantities than any
of them. This is apparently a cd reissue of Rarelp 11/15, which was a
limited edition vinyl box.
Another candidate would be the double cd, InRespect 39 501, "Albert
Smiles with Sunny", which is a reissue of the ESP disk "Prophecy" plus
a second disk of previously unreleased titles from the same
performance. It would be interesting to know the quantities on this
vs., say, "No Blues".
And what about an item like "Duke Ellington: Cotton Club Nights
1938"? This is a single disk of six Cotton Club airchecks on the
Music Memoria label, # 7243 8 40392 6 ! It reminds me of vinyl like
the stuff on Jazz Archives and Collectors Classics. How would Music
Memoria compare with Jazz Music Yesterday or Magnetic in terms of
rarity. And how many copies did Revenant press of their version of
Cecil Taylor's "Nefertiti, The Beautiful One Has Come"?
Difficult to figure. And my sense is that there are probably some
privately distributed, very limited quantity pressings which might be
rarer than any of this. That's certainly the case with vinyl.
Ed Rhodes
Glenn Wilson
If so, you're right, this is a great one. If not, I'd like to find out
about it. I guess what makes No Blues a little more exciting, for me at
least, is that its 3 years later of these guys playing together. NB just
feels a little more mature and loose and the tunes are a little more
advanced. If I remember correctly, Berlin concert contained a lot of early
repertory - Autumn Leaves, So What, All Blues, etc.
One thing that is pretty amazing about those early recordings of this
quintet is how Wayne just came out hitting!!!! He played shit on those late
1964/1965 gigs (included Plugged Nickel) that seemed very adventurous for
him (saxophonistically speaking). His playing is different than anything he
did with Blakey and even from his own Blue Notes (and other people's). It's
almost like he used the new gig with Miles to open up his style. I never
heard him mention that this was a conscious decision. I'd be real curious
to hear him talk about that.
Anyway - it's all great shit and thank goodness we can still hear it.
Glenn
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this inquiry. Wow, I didn't know that that Cecil was on CD. Now I have
stuff to search for. As for the Magnetics. I think I've found a source
for a few of them. But also, I'm intrigued can you tell me more abouth
this change in the copyright laws? and what are some of the other
tracks on that Ayler-Murray double? that is a must find. If only
everyone else out there would mention some goodies worth looking for and
stop salivating over Miles (No Blues).
regards
chris
In article <38bfc0b...@news.mindspring.com>,
e...@mindspring.com wrote:
> hlo...@pipeline.com (H. Loess) wrote:
>
> >I'll also chime in with the rest in naming "No Blues" as *the* live
> >recording by the Quintet.
>
> A strong recording, to be sure, but I'll express a mild preference for
> the Berlin date on JazzUp 320, "Miles Davis Quintet, Live In Europe".
>
Lee Spector
collector's curse that things you look for over many years become quite readily
available shortly after you've paid an exorbitant amount of money for them. The
second part of this curse is that American Blue Note always reissues an album
within 2 months after you have bought the Japanese version. Lee
"Robert J. Dewar" wrote:
> Criminy!! This is like water torture. :)
>
> And I guess it will never be available in my lifetime.
>
> Robert J Dewar
>
> "H. Loess" <hlo...@pipeline.com> wrote in message
> news:38bf597a...@news.pipeline.com...
> > Frank Malczewski <malcz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Thought I had this title, but looked and it was No (More) Blues (too).
> Anyhow,
> > >the main reason
> > >being that the same material was available much more cheaply on the Miles
> Davis
> > >Gold Collection CD...
> >
> > Minus two titles: "No Blues" and "Riot".
> >
> > I'll also chime in with the rest in naming "No Blues" as *the* live
> > recording by the Quintet.
> >
> > --
> > Henry L.
> > hlo...@pipeline.com
Michael Kelly
wrote:
>And my sense is that there are probably some
>privately distributed, very limited quantity pressings which might be
>rarer than any of this.
I wouldn't be surprised. Esp. if some engineer with after hours
jam tapes did a one-off CD for himself we've probably no way of
getting wind of it.
Speaking of vinyl, I wonder with the CD burners out there now if
anyone with vinyl collections is burning CDs? A lot of good stuff
never makes it to CD and it would be nice to get it in the less
fragile format of a CD(at least for those of us who don't have
LP playing gear anymore.)
Mike
--
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
-- Groucho Marx
Terry Leonard
>fanatics out there to suggest to me their TOP 5 (let's keep it to five,
>if possible) hard to find, out-of-print, imports or domestic, prize
>possessions.
I don't know about 5, but 1 would have to be the very first MFSL CD.
Promo only, 24 kt gold, various artists sampler. Dynamite stuff &
just about impossible to find.
Regards,
Terry
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> >I'll also chime in with the rest in naming "No Blues" as *the* live
> >recording by the Quintet.
>
> A strong recording, to be sure, but I'll express a mild preference for
> the Berlin date on JazzUp 320, "Miles Davis Quintet, Live In Europe".
They were happening, that Fall! Funny then, that personal reactions to
this top of the tops still remain... personal. Enough to prompt you or I
to mention it. I would spontaneously have cited Antwerp (Oct 28) as my
favorite; and after listening again, that is still my opinion... Berlin
is the more contemplative of the three, I would say. The Antwerp sound
is admittedly not as good, but they come through (blast forward! I should
say) with such immediate, urgent, incandescent intensity...
Francois Z.
Bill Hery
>I don't mean to get into a pi**ing contest or anything its just that I'm
>bored with my collection. I'm always on the hunt for new stuff and was
>hoping some of you good folks out there could hip me to something good,
Well, I'd worry more about the quality of the music rather than the
challenge of finding it, but I also appreciate the joy of succeeding
at a challenging task.
>1. Mingus, Live in Monterey, (japanese import)
>2. Air, Air Lore
>3. Horace Tapscott, West Coast Hot
>4. Miles Davis, No Blues
>5. Cecil Taylor, Silent Tongues
Those may be all out of print, but they are all things that I used to
see in the CD bins for a few years a decase or so ago. In fact, all
but No Blues used to be in the cut out bins for a while too, so they
must have been excess production to the market at that time. I would
expect that you could find all of these in used CD shops if you look
hard enough.
BTW, I have the first 4, and they all have wonderful music, although
the sound quality of the Mingus is pretty poor.
Since there has been some discussion of the Miles, I will add that it
is one of my favorites, and would love to see more live sessions from
this period. I was just getting into Miles music at that time, and was
lucky enough to catch the band several times, but always felt the live
gigs were much better than the LPs with the same material. No Blues is
the kind of music Iused to love hearing live. It is very disappointing
that Miles estateblocked distribution of the material instead of
finding a way to bring the music to the people legally, with all the
appropriate royalties being paid.
> OK folks hit me with your best shot(s)....
>
OK, I'll just lay two on you if you want a reall challenge:
1. SUNNY'S TIME NOW AND MORE. Reissue of the Rare Sunnay Murray 1964
date on Jihad that featured Murray, Don Cherry, Albert Ayler, Henry
Grimes, Lewis Worrell and (on one cut) Amiri Baraka. Also included on
this is a 1992 Murray recording with Alexander Von Schlippenbach, Ed
Neumeister and Wayne Darling. Jazzette BPCD 025. The company is from
Zagreb in Croatia (formerly Yugoslavia). The phone number the CD gives
for the company is 38 41 425 520, but the CD is from 1992, and a lot
has happened in that part of the world since then. I saw this CD just
once, in the used bin at a shop on the Left Bank in Paris; luckily, I
bought it.
2. Don Pullen Plays Monk. Solo piano, released on Paddlewheel. I think
this was originally a King (Japan) LP. I did see the LP once, but only
saw a catalog listing for the CD about 8 years ago. Haven't seen it
since. I do have a copy of a WIRE review of teh album, which was luke
warm. But as a big Pullen fan, I'd love to get that one.
Let us know when you've found these :-)
Bill Hery
email: my surname at bell-labs.com
MadAsHellEstes
>anyone with vinyl collections is burning CDs? A lot of good stuff
>never makes it to CD and it would be nice to get it in the less
>fragile format of a CD(at least for those of us who don't have
>LP playing gear anymore.)
>
>
>Mike
>
>--
>
>"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
> -- Groucho Marx
>
>
>
or as easy as making a tape dupe cause I have the added and cursed
advantage of being able to delete all the pops and scratches which can
tke a long time toedit on some older vinyl
Dennis J. Kosterman
> In article <38bfc0b...@news.mindspring.com>,
> e...@mindspring.com wrote:
>> ... And how many copies did Revenant press of their version of
>> Cecil Taylor's "Nefertiti, The Beautiful One Has Come"?
>> Ed Rhodes
>Thanks Ed this is the kinda of stuff that I anticipated when I started
>this inquiry. Wow, I didn't know that that Cecil was on CD.
Not only was a double CD (containing the complete concert, I believe)
released by Revenant, but a year or two later Black Lion released
about half of this same material on a single CD called "Trance" (I
actually bought this, then sold it to a friend when I found out that
it duplicated the Revenant CD). I knew that the Black Lion version was
getting hard to find, but I didn't realize the Revenant was. Cadence
was still listing "Trance" in their catalog not that long ago
(although I don't see it listed in the latest issue), so there may
still be some of those out there.
Dennis J. Kosterman
den...@tds.net
Dan Given
>
> 2. Don Pullen Plays Monk. Solo piano, released on Paddlewheel. I think
> this was originally a King (Japan) LP. I did see the LP once, but only
> saw a catalog listing for the CD about 8 years ago. Haven't seen it
> since. I do have a copy of a WIRE review of teh album, which was luke
> warm. But as a big Pullen fan, I'd love to get that one.
>
King? I used to have a vinly copy of this on Paddlewheel, which I
thought was the original issue. Don't remember it being too
spectacular, and it ended up going out in one of my too-frequent purges.
Dan
SteveN327
days.
Steve
Ed Rhodes, Jr.
>Ed - Is this from 1964? Originally issued on CBS/Sony as 'Miles in Berlin'.
No. The Fall '67 tour from which "No Blues" is taken was extensively
documented. Lohmann lists recordings for the following dates and
venues.
Oct. 28 - Konigin Elisabethsall, Antwerp
Oct. 29 - Hammersmith Odeon, London
Oct. 30 - Den Doelen, Rotterdam
Oct. 31 - Konserhuset, Stockholm
Nov. 2 - Tivoli's Koncersal, Copenhagen
Nov. 4 - Philharmonie, Berlin
Nov. 6 - Salle Pleyel, Paris
Nov. 7 - Stadthalle, Karlsruhe
The Antwerp concert has two commercial releases. My copy is entitled
"Masqualero", J-BOP 042. There is another issue with a title
something like, "His Greatest Concert Ever". I don't know the label.
The Nov. 4 Berlin concert is what was issued on JazzUp 320. "No
Blues" is the Nov. 6 Paris concert. The Karlsruhe concert is the one
that generated the video footage in the "Miles Ahead" documentary.
According to Lohmann, the London, Rotterdam and Stockholm concerts
were also TV broadcasts.
Ed Rhodes
Ed Rhodes, Jr.
>...can you tell me more abouth
>this change in the copyright laws?
I'm not the expert on this but apparently, the US was able to get
various European (and other?) governments to agree to US standards of
copyrights, public domain, etc. I believe many of the European
bootlegs were originally issued on the basis that overseas the music
was in the public domain. When this changed, the boots became illegal
over there as they had always been here.
But there are others in this newsgroup who can do a better job of
explaining these matter.
>...and what are some of the other
>tracks on that Ayler-Murray double?
It's a bit difficult to sort out since the titles as originally issued
on "Prophecy" were wrong. The errors for those titles are repeated on
the InRespect issue. Then, there are five additional tracks and the
titles on these are wrong as well.
Also, note that the ESP issue of "Prophecy" played fast. The
InRespect disk is better but it's still fast.
>that is a must find. If only
>everyone else out there would mention some goodies worth looking for and
>stop salivating over Miles (No Blues).
I don't want to sound too jaded but searching for OOP boots is old
news. Many of the use vinyl dealers also deal in used cd's and there
are used dealers who only stock digital. And then there are auctions,
set sales, etc. It's like collecting OOP vinyl. Same trip.
Ed Rhodes
Ed Rhodes, Jr.
>Not only was a double CD (containing the complete concert, I believe)
>released by Revenant, but a year or two later Black Lion released
>about half of this same material on a single CD called "Trance" (I
>actually bought this, then sold it to a friend when I found out that
>it duplicated the Revenant CD).
Note, though, that the Revenant issue contained an untitled and
previously unissued track from the concert as well as all of the
tracks which were issued on vinyl. I'm not familiar with the Black
Lion issue so I don't know if it includes this track.
>I knew that the Black Lion version was
>getting hard to find, but I didn't realize the Revenant was.
Actually, I can't confirm that it is except from occaisional eyeballs
of the CT sections of the stores. This is an assumption on my part.
I'm also assuming that Revenant's production runs were small.
Ed Rhodes
Ed Rhodes, Jr.
>OK, I'll just lay two on you if you want a reall challenge:
>
>1. SUNNY'S TIME NOW AND MORE. Reissue of the Rare Sunnay Murray 1964
>date on Jihad that featured Murray, Don Cherry, Albert Ayler, Henry
>Grimes, Lewis Worrell and (on one cut) Amiri Baraka. Also included on
>this is a 1992 Murray recording with Alexander Von Schlippenbach, Ed
>Neumeister and Wayne Darling. Jazzette BPCD 025. The company is from
>Zagreb in Croatia (formerly Yugoslavia). The phone number the CD gives
>for the company is 38 41 425 520, but the CD is from 1992, and a lot
>has happened in that part of the world since then. I saw this CD just
>once, in the used bin at a shop on the Left Bank in Paris; luckily, I
>bought it.
Interesting.
"Sunny's Time Now" was also reissued on a DIW cd, 35DIW 14CD. Only
the three tracks from the original vinyl issue are included on this
disk: "Virtue", "Justice" and "Black Art". Most of the notes are in
Japanese. There's no issue or copyright date I can read.
Also, the date was recorded in November, 1965. It is not from the
period when Cherry and Murray were a part of Ayler's band.
Ed Rhodes
BOBVL
>From: stev...@aol.com (SteveN327)
>Date: 3/4/00 11:05 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20000304110551...@ng-cp1.aol.com>
>
>I think the Hank Mobley cd "Straight No Filter" is also tough to find these
>days.
>
>Steve
I have a 100% mint (extra) copy of this...
any offers??
bob
Steve Berman
> w...@sonapub.wh.att.com (Bill Hery) wrote:
>
> >OK, I'll just lay two on you if you want a reall challenge:
> >
> >1. SUNNY'S TIME NOW AND MORE. Reissue of the Rare Sunnay Murray 1964
> >date on Jihad [...] Jazzette BPCD 025. The company is from
> >Zagreb in Croatia (formerly Yugoslavia). [...]
>
> "Sunny's Time Now" was also reissued on a DIW cd, 35DIW 14CD.[...]
Apparently this has been reissued again by DIW, with the catalogue
number 355; this is listed in a mailorder newsletter I received in
January. The title is given as "Sonny's Time Now", though that might
be a misprint by the mailorder company.
--Steve Berman
Glenn Wilson
that's just marked 'Antwerp' but I've never know from whence it came. Now I
know.
BTW - who's Lohmann?
Glenn
Ed Rhodes, Jr. <e...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:38c13499...@news.mindspring.com...
Ed Rhodes, Jr.
>BTW - who's Lohmann?
Jan Lohmann, the author of "The Sound of Miles Davis: The Discography
1945 - 1991", published by Jazz Media ApS in Copenhagen. This is the
definitive Davis discography in print. It was published shortly after
Miles' death. A revised edition has been "pending" for some time,
now. It may come out this year.
There's also Peter Losin's online discography at,
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~losinp/music/md_disco.html#1970
Ed Rhodes
Steve Berman
> den...@tds.net (Dennis J. Kosterman) wrote:
>
> >Not only was a double CD (containing the complete concert, I believe)
> >released by Revenant, but a year or two later Black Lion released
> >about half of this same material on a single CD called "Trance" (I
> >actually bought this, then sold it to a friend when I found out that
> >it duplicated the Revenant CD).
>
> Note, though, that the Revenant issue contained an untitled and
> previously unissued track from the concert as well as all of the
> tracks which were issued on vinyl. I'm not familiar with the Black
> Lion issue so I don't know if it includes this track.
According to Richard Shapiro's Cecil Taylor sessionography
<www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mtaylord.html>, the Revenant reissue
contains two tracks not on the original vinyl issues, a twenty-minute
"Untitled Sample" and a six-and-a-half minute version of "Call". Both
of these were included on the Tokuma 2CD reissue, which the Revenant
CDs duplicate. (For those interested in details, here is what Steve
Smith, who was involved in the reissue, wrote about it on a now
moribund email-list, which I hope he doesn't mind me quoting: "DA
Music, the owner of the rights to the album, sent Revenant a DAT of a
not particularly clean LP without the bonus cuts that were on the
Tokuma. Thankfully Richard [Shapiro] was able to supply a good tape
with the bonus cuts [from the Tokuma CDs]. You won't see them listed
on the packaging, which had already gone to the printers by the time
Revenant realized that the tape DA sent sucked...".)
As it happens, I finally got this set just last week, and have a
question about these bonus tracks, which someone here might know the
answer to: since their audio quality is much poorer than the
previously released tracks, and, unlike the rest, they are in mono,
are they from an audience recording? Also, though I only listened once
so far and may not remember correctly, I think they fade out, rather
than ending with applause. So do complete versions exist and if so,
why haven't they been issued?
> >I knew that the Black Lion version was
> >getting hard to find, but I didn't realize the Revenant was.
>
> Actually, I can't confirm that it is except from occaisional eyeballs
> of the CT sections of the stores. This is an assumption on my part.
> I'm also assuming that Revenant's production runs were small.
It's no longer listed in the Forced Exposure catalogue
<www.forcedexposure.com/labels/revenant.html>. However, it is listed
in the Staalplaat catalogue <staalplaat.com/st-t.htm> (but that's
where I ordered my copy from, and I don't know if it was the last one
they had!).
--Steve Berman
T.M.Stoudt
>
> On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:01:35 GMT, e...@mindspring.com (Ed Rhodes, Jr.)
> wrote:
>
> >And my sense is that there are probably some
> >privately distributed, very limited quantity pressings which might be
> >rarer than any of this.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised. Esp. if some engineer with after hours
> jam tapes did a one-off CD for himself we've probably no way of
> getting wind of it.
>
> anyone with vinyl collections is burning CDs? A lot of good stuff
> never makes it to CD and it would be nice to get it in the less
> fragile format of a CD(at least for those of us who don't have
> LP playing gear anymore.)
>
> Mike
>
I found a site that shows how to do just that:
"How to transfer vinyl to audio CD"
<http://wowfabgroovy.port5.com/vinyl.htm>
I have about 50 LPs that I don't expect to see on CD in my lifetime and
wouldn't mind having a CD-R copy of them.
--
Tom
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"Whenever you find that you are on the side of
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jwd
> hlo...@pipeline.com (H. Loess) wrote:
>
> >I'll also chime in with the rest in naming "No Blues" as *the* live
> >recording by the Quintet.
>
> A strong recording, to be sure, but I'll express a mild preference for
> the Berlin date on JazzUp 320, "Miles Davis Quintet, Live In Europe".
A great date indeed but for me there is something magical abou the No
Blues dates (one thing being Wayne's solo on the second track No Blues).
> Interesting, though, this rarity thing. I suppose that anything by a
> prominent figure like Miles on labels such as Magnetic, JazzUp, Jazz
> Music Yesterday, JBOP, Royal Jazz, Landscape, etc., is a rarity since
> the Europeans stopped pressing these items when the copyright laws
> change. They are all hard to get now but I'd be surprised if any of
> them qualified as the out and out rarest of cd's.
Yeah, I would agree. I would like to hear if you had a list of rarest
among just Miles cds.
I'm not that familiar with the '50's and earlier unusaul cds so I think I
would guess these to start.
1)Live in Germany Label: Tempo di Jazz CDTJ 703
2)Live in Warsaw, Which is apparently a cd version of the lp Poljazz
PSJ-X-100, I'm not sure about the label.
3)LXXIV.Miles Davis Band. "Recordings Arts" JZCD 374.
4)Atmosphere: Live in Tokyo Label: Four Beat Sounds FBMD 83058/9
5) Probably not THAT rare but one I would sure like to find an original of
is Black Satin Label: Jazz Masters JM 011/2
regards
jeff
jan winter
<st...@ims.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
>e...@mindspring.com (Ed Rhodes, Jr.) writes:
>
So, now for a *real* real challenge: the *vinyl* DIW reissue of
Sonny's Time Now. Including the extra 'The Lie' on a one-sided 7"
33-1/3 EP. (DIW 25002 + 850925) The 7" goes in a miniaturized copy of
the original sleeve; the 12" in a 1/1 copy, with the black backside.
Also included: a photocopy of the leaflet that went with the Jihad. No
further notes. Indeed a reissue as straight as one can have (except
from the additional EP)
Btw: 'Sonny' may be a 'misprint', but the origin lies not with the
mailorder company but with Jihad. In the leaflet 18 out of 18 times
Sunny is called Sonny and the biggest type on the cover is SONNY'S.
--
regards, jan winter, amsterdam
(j.wi...@xs4all.nl)
music is the healing force of the universe
(Albert Ayler)
George Scala
Besides being listed as "Sonny" on "Sonny's Time Now", James Marcellus
Arthur 'Sunny' Murray is listed as "Jimmy Murray" on The Gil Evans
Orchestra's "Into The Hot" on Impulse AS-9 and as "Arthur Murray" on
Cecil Taylor's "Live At The Cafe Montmartre" on Fantasy/Debut 86014.
George Scala
http://www.mindspring.com/~scala
Discographies of Sunny Murray, Milford Graves and others.
Ed Rhodes, Jr.
>According to Richard Shapiro's Cecil Taylor sessionography
><www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/mtaylord.html>, the Revenant reissue
>contains two tracks not on the original vinyl issues, a twenty-minute
>"Untitled Sample" and a six-and-a-half minute version of "Call". Both
>of these were included on the Tokuma 2CD reissue, which the Revenant
>CDs duplicate. (For those interested in details..."...Thankfully Richard [Shapiro]
> was able to supply a good tape with the bonus cuts [from the Tokuma CDs]."
Good information. This is the first I'm hearing of the Tokuma disks.
Richard used to be a regular contributor to rmb. I exchanged emails
with him in Dec. '97 re: the Revenant issue but we didn't discuss its
Tokuma origins.
>...I think they fade out, rather
>than ending with applause. So do complete versions exist and if so,
>why haven't they been issued?
As I remember, one of the originally issued tracks seems to end with a
fade as well. I asked Richard about this and he said simply that he
had no knowledge of the existence of any other versions of this
material other than what has been issued. But that was over two years
ago.
Ed Rhodes
beelzbubba
<glenn....@pobox.com> writes:
>
>BTW - who's Lohmann?
>
>Glenn
C'mon now, surely you've heard of "Lohmann on the Totem Pole"?
(courtesy of Mr. Peabody and Jay Ward Productions)
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