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Count Basie's Drummers

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Inforcvr

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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Hi all! Who are your favorite Count Basie drummers?

Jack Woker

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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Inforcvr wrote:
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> Hi all! Who are your favorite Count Basie drummers?

Jo Jones (1936-44, 1946-48
Gus Johnson (1950-54)
Sonny Payne (1955-66, 1973-74)


Basie had several fine drummers during the "heyday" years (Shadow
Wilson, Butch Ballard), and in the later years (Rufus Jones, Harold
Jones, Butch Miles, Duffy Jackson) and also had several great guest
drummers (Ed Shaughnessy, Buddy Rich, Louis Bellson), but to me the
above three really established the Basie drum style(s).

jack

Hal Vickery

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Dec 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/31/98
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In article <19981231130242...@ng96.aol.com>, info...@aol.com
(Inforcvr) wrote:

> Hi all! Who are your favorite Count Basie drummers?

Without a doubt, Jo Jones, the consummate big band drummer.

nsmf

SALLY MULHOLLAND

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Jan 2, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/2/99
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Inforcvr wrote in message <19981231130242...@ng96.aol.com>...

>Hi all! Who are your favorite Count Basie drummers?

to me: my fav was rufus (speedy) jones.... i remember seeing him live a few
times in the mid 60's... tremendous hand speed, 2 bass drum tricks and a
real affinity for playing behind the loud/soft changes the band was famous
for,

rufus jones is also on a few mosaic maynard ferguson cd's///

granted sonny payne and sonny greer are bigger names... but i just loved
that rufus speedy jones!!!

enjoy!

gene sittenfeld

Larry Kronenberger

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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Having heard Butch Miles on numerous occassions in big band, hard bop,
and swing sessions...I'd have to rate him as third on the Basie
percussionist list behind Sonny Payne and Jo Jones.


R. Lynn Rardin

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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In article <76nkv6$93ns$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,
CGS...@prodigy.com (Larry Kronenberger) wrote:

I wouldn't disagree with that assessment, but I still like Butch really
well. Sonny and especially Jo belong at the top, though, in my book.
Of course, third behind Sonny and Jo isn't such a bad position to be in
anyway! :^)

-Lynn (rar...@orion.rose.brandeis.edu)

Ulf Åbjörnsson

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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There's one that's got to come before Butch Miles and that is Duffy Jackson.
My list:

1/ Sonny Payne
2/ Jo Jones
3/ Duffy Jackson
4/ Butch Miles

Ulf
Larry Kronenberger skrev i meddelandet
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Jack Lefton

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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>>Hi all! Who are your favorite Count Basie drummers?
>
>to me: my fav was rufus (speedy) jones.... i remember seeing him live a few
>times in the mid 60's... tremendous hand speed, 2 bass drum tricks and a
>real affinity for playing behind the loud/soft changes the band was famous
>for,

Back in 1967, on a bus ride from Newport to Providence, during the Jazz
Festival, I met Tony Williams, who was playing the fest with Miles the next
night. When I asked him who his favorite drummer was, his reply was Speedy
Jones, who had played that night (I can't remember if it was with Basie or
Ellington). I think he mentioned Jones's control as the big reason. I don't
know if he would have responded the same a week later, but this was his
answer that night.

Jack Lefton
feder...@msn.com
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/8835/

Inforcvr

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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Thanks for great posts. All great drummers.
Info...@aol.com

Hal Vickery

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Jan 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/3/99
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In article <19990103191920...@ngol03.aol.com>,
mklem...@aol.com (MKlemanbop) wrote:

> Along with Papa Joe and Sonny Payne, don't forget Harold Jones, who swung the
> Basie band from 1968-72. He then went on to work with Eddie Harris, Benny
> Carter and was Sarah Vaughan's last drummer. Today, Harold frequently works
> with Natalie Cole, teaches privately and gives drum clinics and is still
one of
> the most sought-after percussionists on the West Coast.

Harold Jones was the first drummer I ever saw playing with Basie (ca.
1969). He was terrific.

I saw Rufus Jones three times with Ellington and was far less impressed.
Different music, so maybe that had something to do with it.

nsmf

MKlemanbop

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Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
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Along with Papa Joe and Sonny Payne, don't forget Harold Jones, who swung the
Basie band from 1968-72. He then went on to work with Eddie Harris, Benny
Carter and was Sarah Vaughan's last drummer. Today, Harold frequently works
with Natalie Cole, teaches privately and gives drum clinics and is still one of
the most sought-after percussionists on the West Coast.

Marla

Larry Kronenberger

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Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
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I have heard Duffy play within the Basie camp on two seperate occassions.

Sonny C never liked Duffy much...especially when he ratted on Duffy to
Aaron.
However, having heard Butch back the likes of Roy Hargrove and Bobby
Watson to backing Bucky Pizzarelli, Doc Cheatham...I can absolutly state
that Miles has more universiality . Albeit that I never have heard
Jackson out of context of a big band scenario.

Larry


Gregory Monahan

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Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
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: Harold Jones was the first drummer I ever saw playing with Basie (ca.
: 1969). He was terrific.

Me too. Not only was/is he a fine drummer, but also an extremely nice
guy. I was only in high school, but he sat and talked to me during a
break and made a gift to me of a drum head he'd smashed through in a
particularly fast number. I still have that drum head. One of my
earliest jazz memories.

Greg M.
gmon...@eou.edu

DHoff56012

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Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
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I loved Sonny Payne, and Jo Jones obviously invented this stuff. But I saw
Harold Jones with Basie on numerous occasions, and he wiped me out. Just the
way he kicked the band was superb.

David Hoffman

Gary Milliken

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Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
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>Harold Jones was the first drummer I ever saw playing with Basie (ca.
>1969). He was terrific.
>
>I saw Rufus Jones three times with Ellington and was far less impressed.
>Different music, so maybe that had something to do with it.

Since the name "Speedy Jones" was mentioned once in this thread, as
Tony Williams' favorite drummer (!), I should try to determine which
of these two Joneses is "Speedy". The only time I ever saw Basie live
was at the Monterey festival in 1966 or '67, and despite hoping to see
Sonny Payne, instead there was "Speedy Jones", who I think was introduced
as Rufus "Speedy" Jones. Am I remembering correctly.?

GM

Jack Woker

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Jan 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/4/99
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Gary Milliken wrote:
> "Speedy Jones", who I think was introduced
> as Rufus "Speedy" Jones. Am I remembering correctly.?

Yes.
jack

Allen Welsh

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Jan 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/5/99
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Agreed on Woker's list, but want to say that Harold Jones doesn't seem to me
to have been given the credit he was due -- a very tasteful drummer. He's
heard to good advantage on the recently released Dot recording called
"Straight Ahead." Jones rejoined the band under Grover Mitchell for awhile
a couple of years ago.

mitchell miller

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Jan 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/6/99
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No drummer gets rated ahead of philly jo jones. absolutely no one!
Larry Kronenberger wrote in message

Larry Kronenberger

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Jan 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/6/99
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Mitch:
The subject isn't about the best drummer....it's about the best Basie
drummer!
Of the three, Payne, Jones, and Miles....
I'd rate them as:
Miles, Jones and Payne as far as their total abilities are concerned.
As far as Basie drummers are concerned....Payne, Jones, and Miles.
Just my opinion.
Calm down!

Larry


J.Ep...@jazz.minneapolis

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Jan 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/6/99
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I saw Sonny Payne with the Basie band 1965 at the Prom Ballroom in St.
Paul and had an epiphany & a cow at the same time. Could anyone point
me to the direction of where to buy "Count Basie Live At The
Hollywood Palladium" (VCL Communications VL-9029) - out of print, of
course? Would anyone be willing to make a tape of their copy for this
Sonny disciple? Thanks,
Jay Epstein
heide.j....@tc.umn.edu
"It's always night, that's why there is light." - Thelonious Monk

Ulf Åbjörnsson

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Jan 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/6/99
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With Basie?

Ulf
mitchell miller skrev i meddelandet <76vohq$o...@news1.snet.net>...

Lcfpsf

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Jan 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/7/99
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I also agree with Jack Woker's earlier assessment.

1. Jo Jones
2. Sonny Payne
3. Gus Johnson

Peter Friedman

Keith Henson

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Jan 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/7/99
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mitchell miller wrote:
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> No drummer gets rated ahead of philly jo jones. absolutely no one!
> Larry Kronenberger wrote in message
> <76nkv6$93ns$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
> >Having heard Butch Miles on numerous occassions in big band, hard bop,
> >and swing sessions...I'd have to rate him as third on the Basie
> >percussionist list behind Sonny Payne and Jo Jones.
> >

maybe you were confused. Philly Joe and Papa Jo Jones are two different
cats. (That's why "Philly Joe" (Miles' Classic Quintet) is called
"Philly Joe," to keep him straight from "Papa" Jo Jones (Basie Band).

Keith Henson
khe...@accessone.com
http://www.accessone.com/~khenson/

jazdr...@gmail.com

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Jun 5, 2017, 12:36:16 PM6/5/17
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On Thursday, December 31, 1998 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Inforcvr wrote:
> Hi all! Who are your favorite Count Basie drummers?

Well, Papa Jo and Sonny Payne, and Butch Miles are my faves. I have seen them all in action. I did not see Speedy, except on YouTube. While Speedy Jones was faster than fast, I don't think he added much to the band--his work was seemed mostly showboating. Duffy Jackson was a good working drummer and had some good licks; I've seen him with the Frank Foster edition of the Basie Band. I'm trying to figure out who "Al Jones" was at the 1961 Basie Carnegie Hall concert. He does not even look like any of the other Joneses and I'm wondering who he is, or if the producers got his name wrong.

blic...@kean.edu

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Jun 20, 2017, 8:42:38 PM6/20/17
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On Thursday, December 31, 1998 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Inforcvr wrote:
> Hi all! Who are your favorite Count Basie drummers?

No one mentioned greg field. he was my favorite. so simple, so musical and he would swing so hard. he had a great sound too.

jeffery...@gmail.com

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El jueves, 31 de diciembre de 1998, 9:00:00 (UTC+1), Inforcvr escribió:
> Hi all! Who are your favorite Count Basie drummers?

If you can still get a chance to see the great Tony Bennet, he will introduce his drummmer, as......Count Basie's favorite drummer, Harold Jones! Why don't we leave it at the master Basie's words as the who was the best.
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