Israel and Nardis connection? and J. Carisi??
JFR
This could be a real stupid post, because I don't hear both tunes in my
head right now, nor do I have the music in front of me, but I forgot to
post this thought/question a while back: Didn't someone suggest that
Nardis was really written by J. Carisi who also wrote Israel? When I
listened to them last, I remember hearing some similarities. Has
anyone else noticed this or am I out to lunch? BTW, who is/was John
Carisi???
Marc Sabatella
>Didn't someone suggest that
>Nardis was really written by J. Carisi who also wrote Israel? When I
>listened to them last, I remember hearing some similarities. Has
>anyone else noticed this or am I out to lunch?
Yes, someone suggested that during one of our period "who REALLY wrote
Nardis and is it named after Ben Sidran or his father" discussions (yes,
this actually is a recurring topic). No one seemed to take this claim
particularly seriously, as there were no substantiating quotes to back
it up (versus lots of second or third hand stories to back up
other claims of authorship). But I remarked at the time that, from a
strictly musical "blindfold test" point of view, I found this the most
plausible of all the claims.
> BTW, who is/was John
>Carisi???
A composer, noted mostly for "Israel" and his contributions to a later
recording - "Into The Hot", maybe?
--
Marc Sabatella
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Andrew Homzy
> > BTW, who is/was John
> >Carisi???
>
> A composer, noted mostly for "Israel" and his contributions to a later
> recording - "Into The Hot", maybe?
> Marc Sabatella
Composer of:
Angor Wat
B S P 2
Barry S Tune
Bleaker Street
Bulgar And Other Balkan Type I
Counterpoise 2
Quintet For Tuba And String Quartet
Counterpoise 2
Eruza
Israel
It S Your Dance
Jelly Roll Rag
Just Plain Bread
Lestorian Mode
Love's Blues
Machinations
Module 3
Moon Taj
Pendulum
Saodades
Saxophone Quartet No 1
Skull
Sounds And Silences
Springsville
Sunday Morning Shuffle
Theme For Discovery 63
Wailin The Blues
Wedding Dance
Willie N Me
And, onetime president of the Musicians Union.
--
Andrew Homzy
Music Department
Concordia University, Montreal
GJuke
>>>>And, onetime president of the Musicians Union.<<<<
It was an excellent bio up until this point...
GJ
JFR
In <HOMZY-ya023580001902971947450001@newsflash> HO...@vax2.concordia.ca
>
>Andrew Homzy
>Music Department
>Concordia University, Montreal
I have never heard of any of these pieces. Has anyone recorded any of
these tunes? If so, can you list pertinent details and any descriptive
review?
Thanks.
Jack Woker
> >> > BTW, who is/was John
> >> >Carisi???
I've filled in the recordings of the tunes I could find:
jack
> >Composer of:
Angkor Wat - Gil Evans
> >B S P 2
Barry's Tune - Gil Evans, John Carisi
Bleaker Street - Marvin Stamm/John Carisi
> >Bulgar And Other Balkan Type I
> >Counterpoise 2
> >Quintet For Tuba And String Quartet
> >Counterpoise 2
Eruza - Marvin Stamm/John Carisi
Israel - Miles Davis, John Carisi
> >It S Your Dance
> >Jelly Roll Rag
Just Plain Bread - Marvin Stamm/John Carisi
Lestorian Mode - John Carisi
> >Love's Blues
Machinations - Marvin Stamm/John Carisi
> >Module 3
Moon Taj - Gil Evans
> >Pendulum
Saodades - Marvin Stamm/John Carisi
> >Saxophone Quartet No 1
> >Skull
> >Sounds And Silences
Springsville - Miles Davis/Gil Evans, John Carisi
> >Sunday Morning Shuffle
> >Theme For Discovery 63
> >Wailin The Blues
Wedding Dance - Marvin Stamm/John Carisi
> >Willie N Me
The albums are:
Miles Davis - Birth of the Cool (CAPITOL)
Miles Davis/Gil Evans - Miles Ahead (COLUMBIA)
Gil Evans - Into the Hot (IMPULSE)
Marvin Stamm/John Carisi - Machinations (VERVE)
John Carisi - The Arrangers (compilation) (RCA)
Also, I believe Angkor Wat and Machinations are the same tune.
jack
Andrew Homzy
> > >> > BTW, who is/was John
> > >> >Carisi???
>
> I've filled in the recordings of the tunes I could find:
> jack
Please see the previous post for the whole list -
Thanks Jack for your research. As you can see, Carisi's music was highly
respected by those whom we respect. I believe Springsville was recorded by
J.J. Johnson and Thad Jones as well.
Jill Goodwin
jre...@ix.netcom.com(JFR) wrote:
re: John Carisi -
>>Composer of:
>>
>>Angor Wat
>>B S P 2
>>Barry S Tune
>>Bleaker Street
>>Bulgar And Other Balkan Type I
>>Counterpoise 2
>>Quintet For Tuba And String Quartet
>>Counterpoise 2
>>Eruza
>>Israel
>>It S Your Dance
>>Jelly Roll Rag
>>Just Plain Bread
>>Lestorian Mode
>>Love's Blues
>>Machinations
>>Module 3
>>Moon Taj
>>Pendulum
>>Saodades
>>Saxophone Quartet No 1
>>Skull
>>Sounds And Silences
>>Springsville
>>Sunday Morning Shuffle
>>Theme For Discovery 63
>>Wailin The Blues
>>Wedding Dance
>>Willie N Me
>>
>>And, onetime president of the Musicians Union.
>>
>>--
>>Andrew Homzy
>>Music Department
>>Concordia University, Montreal
>I have never heard of any of these pieces. Has anyone recorded any of
>these tunes? If so, can you list pertinent details and any descriptive
>review?
>Thanks.
"Springsville" is on Miles Davis' MILES AHEAD album. Anybody have the
answer regarding any other of these compositions by John Carisi?
Jill
George Harm
In <HOMZY-ya023580001902971947450001@newsflash>, HO...@vax2.concordia.ca
(Andrew Homzy) wrote:
: > > BTW, who is/was John
: > >Carisi???
: >
: > A composer, noted mostly for "Israel" and his contributions to a later
: > recording - "Into The Hot", maybe?
: > Marc Sabatella
: Composer of:
List snipped
And can be heard on 7 tunes on "THE RCA VICTOR JAZZ WORKSHOP- THE ARRANGERS"
ND86471. (Originally recorded 1956 -RCAVJW-JOHN CARISI, but never released).
(FWIW the first 5 cuts are from "JAZZ WORKSHOP-HAL McKUSICK", 1956 and the
last 5 from "SOLID GROUND-THE ROD LEVITT ORCHESTRA",'64/65. Nice stuff.)
George
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In <HOMZY-ya023580001902971947450001@newsflash>, HO...@vax2.concordia.ca
(Andrew Homzy) wrote:
: > > BTW, who is/was John
: > >Carisi???
: >
: > A composer, noted mostly for "Israel" and his contributions to a later
: > recording - "Into The Hot", maybe?
: > Marc Sabatella
: Composer of:
List snipped
And can be heard on 7 tunes on "THE RCA VICTOR JAZZ WORKSHOP- THE ARRANGERS"
ND86471. (Originally recorded 1956 -RCAVJW-JOHN CARISI, but never released).
(FWIW the first 5 cuts are from "JAZZ WORKSHOP-HAL McKUSICK", 1956 and the
last 5 from "SOLID GROUND-THE ROD LEVITT ORCHESTRA",'64/65. Nice stuff.)
George
gh...@island.net
George Harm
George Harm
: > > BTW, who is/was John
: > >Carisi???
: >
: > A composer, noted mostly for "Israel" and his contributions to a later
: > recording - "Into The Hot", maybe?
: > Marc Sabatella
: Composer of:
List snipped
And can be heard on 7 tunes (including a version of "Israel") on "THE RCA
VICTOR JAZZ WORKSHOP- THE ARRANGERS" ND86471. (Originally recorded 1956
-RCA VICTOR JAZZ WORKSHOP-JOHN CARISI, but never released).
(FWIW the first 5 cuts are from "JAZZ WORKSHOP-HAL McKUSICK", 1956 and the
last 5 from "SOLID GROUND-THE ROD LEVITT ORCHESTRA",'64/65).
George
gh...@island.net
George Harm
Carisi can be heard on 7 tunes ( including `Israel') on "THE RCA VICTOR
JAZZ WORKSHOP - THE ARRANGERS" ND86471. Originally recorded 1956 but
never released.
(FWIW, the first 5 cuts are from "JAZZ WORKSHOP - HAL McKUSICK", also
1956 and the last 5 are from "SOLID GROUND - THE ROD LEVITT ORCHESTRA").
George
gh...@island.net
George Harm
In <5eqmnd$9...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, jre...@ix.netcom.com(JFR) wrote:
: In <HOMZY-ya023580001902971947450001@newsflash> HO...@vax2.concordia.ca
: (Andrew Homzy) writes:
: >
: >
: >> > BTW, who is/was John
: >> >Carisi???
: >>
: >> A composer, noted mostly for "Israel" and his contributions to a
: later
: >> recording - "Into The Hot", maybe?
: >
: >> Marc Sabatella
: >
: >
: >Composer of:
: >Angor Wat
: Thanks.
Carisi, himself, has. At the least he's on 7 tunes (including Barry's Tune,
Israel, and Springsville from the above list) on "THE RCA VICTOR JAZZ WORK-
SHOP - THE ARRANGERS" ND86471. Originally recorded 1956 " THE RCA VICTOR
JAZZ WORKSHOP - JOHN CARISI", but was never released.
FWIW, the first 5 cuts are from "JAZZ WORKSHOP - HAL McKUSICK", also 1956
(if you're familiar with the "JAZZ WORKSHOP - GEORGE RUSSELL" then this
would be closely associated) and the last 5 are from "SOLID GROUND
- THE ROD LEVITT ORCHESTRA", '64/65.
(I've had some troubles posting with uqwk but trust you'll get the email).
George
George Harm
: > > BTW, who is/was John
: > >Carisi???
: >
: > A composer, noted mostly for "Israel" and his contributions to a later
: > recording - "Into The Hot", maybe?
: > Marc Sabatella
: Composer of:
List snipped
And can be heard on 7 tunes on "THE RCA VICTOR JAZZ WORKSHOP- THE ARRANGERS"
ND86471. (Originally recorded 1956 -RCAVJW-JOHN CARISI, but never released).
(FWIW the first 5 cuts are from "JAZZ WORKSHOP-HAL McKUSICK", 1956 and the
last 5 from "SOLID GROUND-THE ROD LEVITT ORCHESTRA",'64/65. Nice stuff.)
George
gh...@island.net
Leon Harris
I don't have the record close at hand, (it's around here SOMEWHERE)
but I'm pretty sure that John Carisi also did the arrangements on a jazz
version of the musical "Showboat" recorded on Columbia back in the
fifties. I think Bob Brookmeyer was the featured soloist along with a
guitarist.
Anyone else remember this one?
Leon Harris
Jack Woker
Yes - haven't heard it in some time, need to give it a listen again. No
Carisi originals on this one, of course.
jack