jazz cello?
OneOf10K
Am trying to learn more about jazz music. Also like the sounds of a cello.
Listening to the local PBS radio station, I've been catching a few selections
that list cello in the credits. Anyone caring to shed any light on the
jazz-cello connection?
Tom Marcello
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Dennis J. Kosterman
>Hello all,
>Am trying to learn more about jazz music. Also like the sounds of a cello.
>Listening to the local PBS radio station, I've been catching a few selections
>that list cello in the credits. Anyone caring to shed any light on the
>jazz-cello connection?
Cello is not too common in jazz, other than bass players occasionally
playing cello instead of bass. But there have been a few "legitimate"
cellists.
My favorite is Erik Friedlander, who can be heard with Dave Douglas's
"string" group ("Parallel Worlds", "Five", and "Convergence"), with
Myra Melford's "Same River Twice" band (who have just released their
2nd CD, and they're awesome in concert if you ever get a chance to see
'em), and on at least one CD under his own name.
These all lean towards the avant-garde, but not to an extreme; they're
easier to listen to than the really "out-there" stuff. At the other
end of the spectrum are Chico Hamilton's late-50's recordings, most of
them conveniently collected in a 6-CD Mosaic box. The quintet format
was drums, bass, cello, guitar, and one guy (Buddy Collette at first,
later Paul Horn and, briefly, Eric Dolphy) on miscellaneous reeds.
Fred Katz is the cellist on most of the Mosaic material, and the
superb Jim Hall is on guitar for about half of it. This is very
laid-back music (often *too* laid-back for my tastes). It was called
"chamber jazz" back then, and there is indeed as much "classical" in
the sound as there is "jazz".
Dennis J. Kosterman
den...@tds.net
(np: Bill Evans, "Conversations With Myself")
Ulf Åbjörnsson
there are several recordings of it.
And Chico Hamilton's group had Fred Katz on cello on many records.
Ulf in Svedala
OneOf10K <oneo...@aol.com> skrev i inlägg
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Douglas Norwood
big band on Impulse, one on IAJRC and one on the RCA "Vogue" series. I
believe he plays some cello on all of these.
Another bass player who often doubled on cello was Harry Babasin. I
believe there might be a CD in the OJC "Jazz from Hollywood" series which
contains a 10" LP Babasin recorded for the old Nocturne label.
In his earlier years as a leader, Charles Mingus often used a cello but
this was usually a written out part not involving any jazz improvization
-
DOUGLAS NORWOOD LNB...@prodigy.com
David Beardsley
> Hello all,
> Am trying to learn more about jazz music. Also like the sounds of a cello.
> Listening to the local PBS radio station, I've been catching a few selections
> that list cello in the credits. Anyone caring to shed any light on the
> jazz-cello connection?
Ron Carter played cello with Eric Dolphy. Dave Holland did
a solo cello album. David Darling? Although he might be improvising,
I'm not too sure it's jazz.
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album....also Tomas Ulrich on Ben Allison's Medicine Wheel (my
favourite album on 1998!)...and they have a cellist in the Lounge
Lizards...her name is Jane Scarpantoni. Ted
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wrote:
Clusone
and let's not forget Diedre Murray who played with the late great Fred Hopkins.
Susan Fox
John H. R.
[Deirdre Murray, cello; Fred Hopkins, bass; Marvin Sewell, guitar & dobro;
Newman Barker, drums]
Hank Roberts -- Little Motor People (Polydor 514005)
[Hank Roberts, cello; Django Bates, piano; Arto Tuncboyaciyan, perc.]
Buell Neidlinger Quintet -- Blue Chopsticks: A Portrait of Herbie Nichols
(K2B2 3169) [Buell Neidlinger, cello; Marty Krystall, tenor/soprano
saxophones & bass clarinet; Hugh Shick, trumpet; Richard Green, violin; Jimbo
Ross, viola]
Harry Babasin/Bob Enevoldsen -- Jazz in Hollywood (OJC 1888)
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nils
has come up here before.
People seemed really excited about Dave Holland's
solo cello work last time. I would highly
recommend you check out Ernst Reijseger in the
Clusone Trio if you want to hear some amazing
things that can be done with a cello.
-Nils
Ernie Saylor
Killion:
http://www7.mercurycenter.com/justgo/jazz/artist/killion/index.htm.
Don't know anything about him, just sharing what I found.
Also, I have heard a Vancouver, BC cello player named Peggy Lee, with
clarinetist Francois Houle. She might appear on some of his recordings.
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OneOf10K
jazz cello (I can't believe one of the people on the list--Dave Holland--was
performing a short distance from here just last week!), thank you!
This morning I did a copy-and-paste of all of the response and include them
here, as a reference guide for anyone else who might find it useful.
Again, thank you all.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
try David Darling
he is on the ecm label
it may not be jazz, but he plays very nice
some of the other ecm things he has done are jazzy
good luck
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you should check out Ernst Reijseger -- jazz celloist extroadinaire! He's in
the Clusone Trio and elsewhere.. a bit out there but virtuoso
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There is a recording session by Dodo Marmarosa, released on Spotlite
records, which has a cello instead of a bass (they say it is the first
cello used in jazz).
Stephan
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The cellist is Harry Babasin; the recording is available as _Up in Dodo's
Room_ (Jazz Classics 6008).
John H. R.
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From: "Tom Marcello"
<tom...@frontiernet.net>
There was a wonderful Oscar Pettiford LP that is not on CD but it should be.
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From: den...@tds.net (Dennis J. Kosterman)
My favorite is Erik Friedlander, who can be heard with Dave Douglas's
"string" group ("Parallel Worlds", "Five", and "Convergence"), with
Myra Melford's "Same River Twice" band (who have just released their
2nd CD, and they're awesome in concert if you ever get a chance to see
'em), and on at least one CD under his own name.
These all lean towards the avant-garde, but not to an extreme; they're
easier to listen to than the really "out-there" stuff. At the other
end of the spectrum are Chico Hamilton's late-50's recordings, most of
them conveniently collected in a 6-CD Mosaic box. The quintet format
was drums, bass, cello, guitar, and one guy (Buddy Collette at first,
later Paul Horn and, briefly, Eric Dolphy) on miscellaneous reeds.
Fred Katz is the cellist on most of the Mosaic material, and the
superb Jim Hall is on guitar for about half of it. This is very
laid-back music (often *too* laid-back for my tastes). It was called
"chamber jazz" back then, and there is indeed as much "classical" in
the sound as there is "jazz".
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Oscar Pettiford used to play a lot of cello. I do not have any, but I know
there are several recordings of it.
And Chico Hamilton's group had Fred Katz on cello on many records.
Ulf in Svedala
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From: LNB...@prodigy.com (Douglas Norwood)
Oscar Pettiford has two recordings available on Black Lion, one with his
big band on Impulse, one on IAJRC and one on the RCA "Vogue" series. I
believe he plays some cello on all of these.
Another bass player who often doubled on cello was Harry Babasin. I
believe there might be a CD in the OJC "Jazz from Hollywood" series which
contains a 10" LP Babasin recorded for the old Nocturne label.
In his earlier years as a leader, Charles Mingus often used a cello but
this was usually a written out part not involving any jazz improvization
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From: tlmi...@uswest.net
Ray Brown recorded "Jazz Cello". Probably long out of print
Tom
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From: David Beardsley <xou...@home.com>
Ron Carter played cello with Eric Dolphy. Dave Holland did
a solo cello album. David Darling? Although he might be improvising,
I'm not too sure it's jazz.
*
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From: tming...@yahoo.com
Joel Feldman plays cello on the Albert Alyer Live in Greenwich Village
album....also Tomas Ulrich on Ben Allison's Medicine Wheel (my
favourite album on 1998!)...and they have a cellist in the Lounge
Lizards...her name is Jane Scarpantoni. Ted
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From: clu...@aol.comnospam (Clusone)
and let's not forget Diedre Murray who played with the late great Fred Hopkins.
Susan Fox
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From: John H. R. <jrei...@my-dejanews.com>
Deirdre Murray/Fred Hopkins -- Stringology (Black Saint 120143)
[Deirdre Murray, cello; Fred Hopkins, bass; Marvin Sewell, guitar & dobro;
Newman Barker, drums]
Hank Roberts -- Little Motor People (Polydor 514005)
[Hank Roberts, cello; Django Bates, piano; Arto Tuncboyaciyan, perc.]
Buell Neidlinger Quintet -- Blue Chopsticks: A Portrait of Herbie Nichols
(K2B2 3169) [Buell Neidlinger, cello; Marty Krystall, tenor/soprano
saxophones & bass clarinet; Hugh Shick, trumpet; Richard Green, violin; Jimbo
Ross, viola]
Harry Babasin/Bob Enevoldsen -- Jazz in Hollywood (OJC 1888)
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From: nils <jaco...@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu>
-Nils
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From: "Ernie Saylor" <ern...@nwfolklife.com>
Simon Weil
>People seemed really excited about Dave Holland's
>solo cello work last time.
Yeah, one of them was me. One of my fave Dave Holland records- "Life Cycle"-
recorded just before he put his quintet together.
BTW the original poster indicated that he was new to Jazz. My impression is
that the cello gets used more in avant-garde settings than elsewhere in Jazz. I
guess "Life Cycle" is on the bridge. It may be that Oscar Pettiford (i.e bop)
and stuff like that is closer to what he wants more than the a-g stuff.
Simon Weil
marmal...@my-dejanews.com
also Michael Overhage w/Joe McPhee.
OneOf10K
What's the diff between jazz and avant-garde?
Regards,
Lisa (a she :)
Marc Sabatella
>What's the diff between jazz and avant-garde?
It's not that these are different styles; the avant-garde is a subset of
jazz. Simplifying quite a bit, the jazz that is not avant-garde is
called "mainstream". The term "avant-garde", applied to any form of
art, connotes something at the forefront of experimentation; in terms of
jazz, the term was first applied widely during the 1960's, and a lot of
that music is still considered avant-garde by many. Mainstream jazz
styles generally depend on a bassist to playing a walking bass line or
something like it; cellos are probably rarely seen because it is too
close to a bass to want to have both in an ensemble, but not low enough
to want to have instead of bass. Whereas in avant-garde jazz, there
might be no particular expectation of a walking bass line, so using
cello instead of bass is not a problem. Again, I've made some rather
gross generalizations here, so I'm sure people will want to argue
particular points, but that is the gist of it.
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Simon Weil
>What's the diff between jazz and avant-garde?
>
>Lisa (a she :)
>
>
Basically I meant avant-garde as a subset of Jazz rather than something
separate from it. I definitely meant my post to be read like that. So I was
thinking of the more recent players who draw on forms other than bebop. Others
would say that a-g isn't jazz at all, pointing to (say) some of it drawing on
20th century classical music. If you want to know more about some of these
viewpoints, I recommend you check out the recent "Wynton's Myth" and "Blues and
Swing" threads here, in which this issue was discussed at vast length (if you
set your aol reader for 14 days you should be able to pick up all the posts).
Other than that I'm going to keep my trap shut for fear of restarting a debate
which showed signs of getting nasty.
Simon Weil
Chuck Nessa
"Sound" from 1966. I was there.
CN
Jimmymule
as well as bass. DOWN HOME, THE SOUL SOCIETY (which contains the tune, "Deep
Blue Cello), and CHANT.
Mike Zimbouski
set _Black Myth/Out In Space_. There's a cello solo on "Myth Vs. Reality"
that could be used as anti-aircraft fire.
Mike Z
Stephen Bayer
bassist who sometimes plays cello. Scott's work covers the whole gamut -
swing, bop, avant-garde.
Steve Bayer
Howard Peirce
cellist who's not a bassist doubling. Some experimental stuff, to be sure,
but generally swinging, tune-oriented stuff in a kind of mid/late Dolphyish
vein. Wasn't he in Arthur Blythe's group in the late 70s/early 80s? I'll have
to dig out my vinyl. Whoever played cello on Lenox Avenue Breakdown (I think
it was Wadud) was terrific.
Educator David Baker has been playing cello exclusively since the car
accident that ended his trombone career. Not widely recorded, and some find
his playing a bit, well, pedantic. Has some interesting ideas about the
relationship between cello and trombone.
I suppose Ron Carter's "piccolo bass" is something like a cello.
HP
Don Herzog
sensibilities, also sometimes snotty and funny. His work with the (sadly
defunct) Gerry Hemingway Quintet is amazing, as is his work with the
(sadly defunct) Clusone Trio.
Abdul Wadud: I know lots of his work over the years with Julius Hemphill,
which I dote on, but haven't heard him in other settings. Has anyone
else?
--don
D Royko
context--Bar Kokhba and (especially) The Circle Maker. These are wonderful.
Though it may be too sweet for some tastes, there is also the Roger Kellaway
Cello Quartet album (I believe on A&M). My favorite track on that one is
'Morning Song,' or something along those lines.
Dave Royko
Bob Orr
Howard Peirce wrote:
> Educator David Baker has been playing cello exclusively since the car
> accident that ended his trombone career. Not widely recorded, and some find
> his playing a bit, well, pedantic. Has some interesting ideas about the
> relationship between cello and trombone.
Dave, still the Chair of the Jazz Dept at the IU School of Music, has composed
for jazz cello. You can check out Liscio Records (NC) for some of his works.
The cd "Cellofire" is well worth it. Dave conducts but does not play. Best
piece is Concerto for Cello and Jazz Orchestra.
Bob Orr
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"The less we understand a thing, the more variables we need to explain it." -
Russell Ackoff
Styles Bitchly
Please let's not forget the late, excellent cellist Tom Cora, who played
with Curlew, Bill Laswell, Samm Bennett, among others. He also recorded
at least one fine solo release, "Gumption in Limbo," on Sound Aspects.
We were really getting into him when we suddenly heard he'd died of
leukemia, about six months ago.
Tristan Honsinger should also be mentioned. He shows up on lots of
European avant-garde recordings. Check 'em out!
Howard Peirce
> Dave, still the Chair of the Jazz Dept at the IU School of Music, has composed
> for jazz cello. You can check out Liscio Records (NC) for some of his works.
> The cd "Cellofire" is well worth it. Dave conducts but does not play. Best
> piece is Concerto for Cello and Jazz Orchestra.
Clarification: The last time I talked to Pat Harbison, he was in the midst of
transitioning over to take over the jazz department leadership. That was a while
ago, and I'm sure David is officially retired by now, although I imagine he's
still very much involved. I can't imagine anyone better than Pat to take on the
role.
There used to be a couple of LPs of David's 21st Century Bebop Band out on a
small indie label out of Indiana. Can't remember the label name--some kind of
plant. Laurel? This was in the mid-80s, and the releases were on vinyl. The 21CBB
was/is? variable in instrumentation, but generally trumpet, tenor, cello, tuba
and rhythm (p, b, d). Personnel varied, but always the great virtuouso Harvey
Phillips on tuba. The band was about exploiting the most complex possible
variations and extensions on bebop harmony and rhythm (especially rhythm). Based
on my memory, I'd give it mixed reviews. Not always sussessful, but when it was,
look out.
HP
Howard Peirce
> Though it may be too sweet for some tastes, there is also the Roger Kellaway
> Cello Quartet album (I believe on A&M). My favorite track on that one is
> 'Morning Song,' or something along those lines.
In the same vein, more or less, isn't one of Brubeck boys a cellist? I seem to
recall hearing something on the radio.
HP
Blueallen
He's played with Marty Ehrlich's Dark Woods Ensemble and in Dave Douglas'
string group, as well as Myra Melford's The Same River Twice.
In addition he has a great new CD called "Topaz" on the Siam label. People
interested in jazz cello should check it out.
Fred Allen
gme...@my-dejanews.com
Howard Peirce <howard...@sdrc.com> wrote:
> No one has mentioned Abdul Wadud, probably the most widely recorded jazz
> cellist who's not a bassist doubling. Some experimental stuff, to be sure,
> but generally swinging, tune-oriented stuff in a kind of mid/late Dolphyish
> vein. Wasn't he in Arthur Blythe's group in the late 70s/early 80s? I'll have
> to dig out my vinyl. Whoever played cello on Lenox Avenue Breakdown (I think
> it was Wadud) was terrific.
>
Yes, Abdul Wadud is great on Arthur Blythe's Lenox Avenue Breakdown and
Illusions, which have both been re-released recently by Koch.
Later,
Bud
nils
>
> What's the diff between jazz and avant-garde?
Free Jazz and avant garde, often confused. Not
really distinct entities, although free jazz is
more a purist approach, with focus strictly on
improvisation. Avant garde more pre-structured
(and notated). I find the term 'avant garde' to
be about as informative as genre titles like 'progressive.'
Ernie Saylor
perform with his dad, Joe McPhee, Michael Bisio, and others in a concert
that was recorded in Seattle. Have no particulars, sorry.
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Walter Davis
mentioned but:
Dierdre Murray -- her Stringology group with bassist Fred Hopkins
(album(s?) on Soul Note or Black Saint); also her fine work in Henry
Threadgills sextett, although I believe all of these are out of print
(and what a shame that is!)
Also, hope I get this name right, Naomi Millender, the cellist in 8 Bold
Souls, on any of their fine albums, at least a couple of which should
still be in print on Arabesque. These and the HT sextett may give you
some idea of how cello can sound in a larger jazz group and how they
can work in a group with a bass also, but the cellos don't take center
stage too often.
All of these are considered "avant-garde" if you care, but really I
consider these to be extemely approachable examples.
-walt
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Michael A. Dritschel
Yes indeed, "Stringology" is on Black Saint, and there is a second CD
called "Firestorm" on Victo.
Naomi Millender also plays with Edward Wilkerson's Shadow Vignettes on
"Birth of a Notion".
Looking back over previous posts, I'd like to add some comments about
suggested cellists and add a few more to the list. Ernst Reiseger was
named several times. In addition to the recordings mentioned, he also
plays on a very nice Arcado String Trio album, "Live in Europe". The
other Arcado String Trio recordings I have feature Hank Roberts, who
besides having at least one solo album (Black Pastels) is also on
Christy Doran's Phoenix', several Tim Berne albums, and albums by Alex
Cline and Andy Laster (I'm sure I'm missing some).
Erik Friedlander was also mentioned. One very nice recording he is on
which hasn't been noted is Ned Rothenberg's "Powerlines". Thomas
Chapin, who also plays on that album has another recording called
"Trio + Strings" that features the cellist Boris Rayskin. Michael
Overhage, who as was noted appears on several Joe McPhee recordings,
is also on André Jaume's "Musique pour 8: L'Oc" with cellist Heiner
Thym.
Going back to Dierdre Murray, besides the recordings with Fred
Hopkin's mentioned above and the Sextett material with Henry
Threadgill, she is also on Muhal Richard Abram's "Hearinga Suite".
Abdul Wadud, who was mentioned in earlier posts as well, is on another
MRA large ensemble recording, "Rejoicing with the Light". In a more
intimate setting there are several very nice recordings of Abdul Wadud
with Julius Hemphill, including a duet called "Live in New York"
released on Red. Probably my favorite recording of his is the trio
with Anthony Davis and James Newton (Trio²). He's also featured on
some Cecil Taylor recordings, as is the cellist Muneer Abdul Fataah
(on "Looking (Berlin Version) Corona").
Here are some others who weren't yet mentioned: Irene Aebi, better
known as a vocalist with Steve Lacy, also plays cello (for example, on
"Itinerary", "Momentum", and the Woe part of "Weal and Woe"). Georgie
Born plays on Mike Westerbrook's "The Cortège" (in particular, there
is a wonderful solo in Sanctarcangelo).
Reaching back a bit, Maurice Brown and Seymour Barab play cello on
several pieces from Charles Mingus' "Shoes of a Fisherman's Wife" and
Charles McCracken is heard on "Let My Children Hear Music". In fact
there used to be lots of jazz with strings, and even some more recent
recordings in this vein, such as Arthur Blythe's "Basic Blythe".
There are string quartets in John Zorn's "Spillane" (the Kronos
Quartet on the piece "Forbidden Fruit"), several Max Roach albums
feature the Uptown String Quartet; Quartet Indigo plays on Steve
Turre's "Fire and Ice", there is a string quartet on Spencer
Barefield's "After the End", and the Balanescu Quartet is on oudist's
Rabih Abou-Khalil's "Arabian Waltz". Albums which are perhaps more
classical than jazz on which cellists appear include the Willem
Breuker Kollektief's "Sensemaya" and Wadada Leo Smith's "Tao-Njia"
(the California Ear Unit plays on the title piece). Also check out
the Dominic Duval String Ensemble on CIMP.
Finally, let me say you may find cellos where you least expect them
(how else to explain Jon Rose on "unintentional cello" on Wayne
Horvitz's "This New Generation"?).
--
Michael Dritschel
email: m...@math.purdue.edu
URL: http://www.math.purdue.edu/~mad/
dex...@lightlink.com
Hank Roberts has been mentioned briefly here, but deserves a lot more attention. Roberts had four CD's released by JMT. His most
recent recordings are on Level Green. One is a duo with Tim Berne, one is with his trio and one, "22 Years From Now" is all solo,
improvised cello music. "22 years From Now" is outstanding!
Any other Hank Roberts fans out there?
Dex Urik
Walter Davis
oneo...@aol.com (OneOf10K) wrote:
>Out of curiosity I did a search on HotBot which found a link for Kash
>Killion:
>http://www7.mercurycenter.com/justgo/jazz/artist/killion/index.htm.
>
_Memorophilia_ album (AsianImprov). Pretty good stuff. I want to say
that he was an early AACMer, but I can't help but think I'm confusing
him with someone else.
ccz...@axp0.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk
>I've got to put my two cents in...
And I suppose I've got to get two pence worth. I recently acquired a CD
by a British cellist called Ben Davis. I got it as a giveaway when
renewing my subscription to Avant magazine (see previous posting). Nice
post-bop stuff, I picked it because it had Chris Biscoe on alto, not
because I knew anything about Davis.
Andy
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What is the album called? I wasn't aware that Chris had recorded with a
cellist apart from the stuff he has done with Mike Westbrook's Orchestra
where the cellist has been Stanley Adler in recent years.
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>Andy,
>
>What is the album called? I wasn't aware that Chris had recorded with a
>cellist apart from the stuff he has done with Mike Westbrook's Orchestra
>where the cellist has been Stanley Adler in recent years.
"Double Dares are Sometimes Different" is the title. You can look at the
cover on http://www.alternativeroute.com/avrelease.htm but there isn't a
sample for that CD. The tunes are all originals except for "Spring Can
Really Hang you Up the Most". Chris Biscoe plays alto sax and bass
clarinet.
dsta...@mcgraw-hill.com
dhe...@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu (Don Herzog) wrote:
> Ernst Reijseger: stunning technique, fiendishly nasty musical
> sensibilities, also sometimes snotty and funny. His work with the (sadly
> defunct) Gerry Hemingway Quintet is amazing, as is his work with the
> (sadly defunct) Clusone Trio.
No one here has mentioned that Riejseger has a new album out
called _Colla Parte_, on Winter & Winter. This album features
Reijseger as a solo artist, and he takes the opportunity to
display his virtuosity. The first track, among others, sounds
as much like classical music as jazz. He also does an Abdullah
Ibrahim (Dollar Brand) composition.
According to the Penguin book, Ibrahim plays 'cello, but I have
never seen an album crediting him with this instrument. Does anyone
know which (if any) album he plays 'cello on?
> Abdul Wadud: I know lots of his work over the years with Julius Hemphill,
> which I dote on, but haven't heard him in other settings. Has anyone
> else?
Arthur Blythe: _In Concert_ (orig. released as two albums, _Metamorphosis_
and _The Grip_). This includes some of my favorite work by A.W., as well
as by Blythe. Wadud is also on _Illusions_, but I don't believe he is on
_Lenox Avenue Breakdown_, as was claimed by others in this thread.
Marty Ehrlich & the Dark Woods Ensemble: _Emergency Peace_. The clarinet
and 'cello combination is beautiful here.
Anthony Davis: Wadud plays 'cello on a number of Davis' albums, including
_Episteme_, which is still in print.
James Newton: _Romance & Revolution_. I wish I could find a copy of this.
Search www.allmusic.com for more information. They actually have a write-up
about Abdul Wadud.
Other 'cello in jazz not mentioned elsewhere here:
Jane Robertson plays 'cello on the first seven tracks of Dewey Redman's
_Ear of the Behearer_, but I never hear this fact mentioned anywhere.
Hers is a great contribution to this album.
The late, great Tom Cora was mentioned once in this thread, but the
album to get is Curlew's _Bee_, which features a few Cora compositions.
I also have his solo album, _Gumption in Limbo_, which is great.
Also, I recommend the new Erik Friedlander album, _Topaz_, which
may be my favorite 'cello in jazz album right now. Friedlander
add some funky elements to his sound on this album, and there is
a great deal of both feeling and virtuosity here. I just saw
him play as a member of the Masada String Trio (all John Zorn
compositions), at the Library of Congress. Zorn guided the
improvisations with hand signals, and took a solo at the end.
For more info on the 'cello in jazz, I recommend Erik Friedlander's
web page:
www.erikfriedlander.com
--
Doug
Jim Flannery
>
> According to the Penguin book, Ibrahim plays 'cello,
> but I have never seen an album crediting him with
> this instrument. Does anyone know which (if any)
> album he plays 'cello on?
_Confluence_, a duo with Gato Barbieri, recorded in Milan in 1968 (dunno
about original issue, mine's from much later on Arista/Freedom).
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trombone until an accident that screwed up his jaw, went to cello to
continue is love of jazz. I'm sure he has some stuff floating around
(or you may be able to find some archives of his stuff on an IU
website).
TK
gme...@my-dejanews.com
dsta...@mcgraw-hill.com wrote:
> In article <liIS2.1450$hl6....@news.itd.umich.edu>,
> dhe...@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu (Don Herzog) wrote:
> > Abdul Wadud: I know lots of his work over the years with Julius Hemphill,
> > which I dote on, but haven't heard him in other settings. Has anyone
> > else?
>
> Arthur Blythe: _In Concert_ (orig. released as two albums, _Metamorphosis_
> and _The Grip_). This includes some of my favorite work by A.W., as well
> as by Blythe. Wadud is also on _Illusions_, but I don't believe he is on
> _Lenox Avenue Breakdown_, as was claimed by others in this thread.
Oops. You are correct, he is not on Lenox Avenue Breakdown. Sorry for the
error.
Later,
Bud
OneOf10K
Just came back to "harvest" more resources on where jazz cello is out there.
The response has been delightfully overwhelming. Thanks again, all, for your
help in compiling a comprehensive list to draw from when purchasing and
listening to jazz cello. As before, I copy-and-pasted the posts and include
the responses here.
Regards,
Lisa
From: dex...@lightlink.com
I've got to put my two cents in...
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From: Chuck Nessa <cne...@earthlink.net>
No one has mentioned the very fine Lester Lashley on Roscoe Mitchell's
"Sound" from 1966. I was there.
CN
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From: jimm...@aol.com (Jimmymule)
No one has mentioned the several Sam Jones sessions on OJC where he plays cello
as well as bass. DOWN HOME, THE SOUL SOCIETY (which contains the tune, "Deep
Blue Cello), and CHANT.
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From: k...@luh.buh (Mike Zimbouski)
Mike Z
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ky...@star.net
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From: Howard Peirce <howard...@sdrc.com>
No one has mentioned Abdul Wadud, probably the most widely recorded jazz
cellist who's not a bassist doubling. Some experimental stuff, to be sure,
but generally swinging, tune-oriented stuff in a kind of mid/late Dolphyish
vein. Wasn't he in Arthur Blythe's group in the late 70s/early 80s? I'll have
to dig out my vinyl. Whoever played cello on Lenox Avenue Breakdown (I think
it was Wadud) was terrific.
Educator David Baker has been playing cello exclusively since the car
accident that ended his trombone career. Not widely recorded, and some find
his playing a bit, well, pedantic. Has some interesting ideas about the
relationship between cello and trombone.
I suppose Ron Carter's "piccolo bass" is something like a cello.
HP
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From: Bob Orr <o...@tech.iupui.edu>
Howard Peirce wrote:
> Educator David Baker has been playing cello exclusively since the car
> accident that ended his trombone career. Not widely recorded, and some find
> his playing a bit, well, pedantic. Has some interesting ideas about the
> relationship between cello and trombone.
Dave, still the Chair of the Jazz Dept at the IU School of Music, has composed
for jazz cello. You can check out Liscio Records (NC) for some of his works.
The cd "Cellofire" is well worth it. Dave conducts but does not play. Best
piece is Concerto for Cello and Jazz Orchestra.
Bob Orr
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From: Howard Peirce <howard...@sdrc.com>
HP
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From: blue...@aol.com (Blueallen)
Fred Allen
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From: walter...@unc.edu (Walter Davis)
haven't been following this thread from the get go, so maybe these were
mentioned but:
Dierdre Murray -- her Stringology group with bassist Fred Hopkins
(album(s?) on Soul Note or Black Saint); also her fine work in Henry
Threadgills sextett, although I believe all of these are out of print
(and what a shame that is!)
Also, hope I get this name right, Naomi Millender, the cellist in 8 Bold
Souls, on any of their fine albums, at least a couple of which should
still be in print on Arabesque. These and the HT sextett may give you
some idea of how cello can sound in a larger jazz group and how they
can work in a group with a bass also, but the cellos don't take center
stage too often.
All of these are considered "avant-garde" if you care, but really I
consider these to be extemely approachable examples.
-walt
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From: m...@banach.math.purdue.edu (Michael A. Dritschel)
--
Michael Dritschel
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From: gme...@my-dejanews.com
In article <371B4968...@sdrc.com>,
Howard Peirce <howard...@sdrc.com> wrote:
> No one has mentioned Abdul Wadud, probably the most widely recorded jazz
> cellist who's not a bassist doubling. Some experimental stuff, to be sure,
> but generally swinging, tune-oriented stuff in a kind of mid/late Dolphyish
> vein. Wasn't he in Arthur Blythe's group in the late 70s/early 80s? I'll have
> to dig out my vinyl. Whoever played cello on Lenox Avenue Breakdown (I think
> it was Wadud) was terrific.
>
Yes, Abdul Wadud is great on Arthur Blythe's Lenox Avenue Breakdown and
Illusions, which have both been re-released recently by Koch.
Later,
Bud
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From: dhe...@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu (Don Herzog)
Ernst Reijseger: stunning technique, fiendishly nasty musical
sensibilities, also sometimes snotty and funny. His work with the (sadly
defunct) Gerry Hemingway Quintet is amazing, as is his work with the
(sadly defunct) Clusone Trio.
Abdul Wadud: I know lots of his work over the years with Julius Hemphill,
which I dote on, but haven't heard him in other settings. Has anyone
else?
--don
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From: dsta...@mcgraw-hill.com
In article <liIS2.1450$hl6....@news.itd.umich.edu>,
dhe...@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu (Don Herzog) wrote:
> Ernst Reijseger: stunning technique, fiendishly nasty musical
> sensibilities, also sometimes snotty and funny. His work with the (sadly
> defunct) Gerry Hemingway Quintet is amazing, as is his work with the
> (sadly defunct) Clusone Trio.
No one here has mentioned that Riejseger has a new album out
called _Colla Parte_, on Winter & Winter. This album features
Reijseger as a solo artist, and he takes the opportunity to
display his virtuosity. The first track, among others, sounds
as much like classical music as jazz. He also does an Abdullah
Ibrahim (Dollar Brand) composition.
According to the Penguin book, Ibrahim plays 'cello, but I have
never seen an album crediting him with this instrument. Does anyone
know which (if any) album he plays 'cello on?
> Abdul Wadud: I know lots of his work over the years with Julius Hemphill,
> which I dote on, but haven't heard him in other settings. Has anyone
> else?
Arthur Blythe: _In Concert_ (orig. released as two albums, _Metamorphosis_
and _The Grip_). This includes some of my favorite work by A.W., as well
as by Blythe. Wadud is also on _Illusions_, but I don't believe he is on
_Lenox Avenue Breakdown_, as was claimed by others in this thread.
Marty Ehrlich & the Dark Woods Ensemble: _Emergency Peace_. The clarinet
--
Doug
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From: Jim Flannery <newg...@sfo.com>
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From: gme...@my-dejanews.com
In article <7fqh1r$dld$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
dsta...@mcgraw-hill.com wrote:
> In article <liIS2.1450$hl6....@news.itd.umich.edu>,
> dhe...@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu (Don Herzog) wrote:
> > Abdul Wadud: I know lots of his work over the years with Julius Hemphill,
> > which I dote on, but haven't heard him in other settings. Has anyone
> > else?
>
> Arthur Blythe: _In Concert_ (orig. released as two albums, _Metamorphosis_
> and _The Grip_). This includes some of my favorite work by A.W., as well
> as by Blythe. Wadud is also on _Illusions_, but I don't believe he is on
> _Lenox Avenue Breakdown_, as was claimed by others in this thread.
Oops. You are correct, he is not on Lenox Avenue Breakdown. Sorry for the
error.
Later,
Bud
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From: dro...@aol.com (D Royko)
Friedlander's been mentioned, but not in the John Zorn/Masada Chamber Ensemble
context--Bar Kokhba and (especially) The Circle Maker. These are wonderful.
Though it may be too sweet for some tastes, there is also the Roger Kellaway
Cello Quartet album (I believe on A&M). My favorite track on that one is
'Morning Song,' or something along those lines.
Dave Royko
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From: Howard Peirce <howard...@sdrc.com>
D Royko wrote:
> Though it may be too sweet for some tastes, there is also the Roger Kellaway
> Cello Quartet album (I believe on A&M). My favorite track on that one is
> 'Morning Song,' or something along those lines.
In the same vein, more or less, isn't one of Brubeck boys a cellist? I seem to
recall hearing something on the radio.
HP
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From: "Ernie Saylor" <ern...@nwfolklife.com>
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From: Stephen Bayer <spb...@yahoo.com>
No mention yet of Calo Scott, one of the few jazz cellists who is not a
bassist who sometimes plays cello. Scott's work covers the whole gamut -
swing, bop, avant-garde.
Steve Bayer
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From: dex...@lightlink.com
I've got to put my two cents in...
Hank Roberts has been mentioned briefly here, but deserves a lot more
Dex Urik
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From: ccz...@axp0.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Andy...@nottingham.ac.uk)
In article <371dc...@news2.lightlink.com>, dex...@lightlink.com writes:
>I've got to put my two cents in...
And I suppose I've got to get two pence worth. I recently acquired a CD
by a British cellist called Ben Davis. I got it as a giveaway when
renewing my subscription to Avant magazine (see previous posting). Nice
post-bop stuff, I picked it because it had Chris Biscoe on alto, not
because I knew anything about Davis.
Andy
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From: "Chris T" <ct...@Xtcp.co.uk>
Andy,
What is the album called? I wasn't aware that Chris had recorded with a
cellist apart from the stuff he has done with Mike Westbrook's Orchestra
where the cellist has been Stanley Adler in recent years.
--
Chris Topley
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From: ccz...@axp0.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk (Andy...@nottingham.ac.uk)
In article <M%pT2.1047$Sy3....@news.tcp.co.uk>, "Chris T" <ct...@Xtcp.co.uk>
writes:
>Andy,
>
>What is the album called? I wasn't aware that Chris had recorded with a
>cellist apart from the stuff he has done with Mike Westbrook's Orchestra
>where the cellist has been Stanley Adler in recent years.
"Double Dares are Sometimes Different" is the title. You can look at the
cover on http://www.alternativeroute.com/avrelease.htm but there isn't a
sample for that CD. The tunes are all originals except for "Spring Can
Really Hang you Up the Most". Chris Biscoe plays alto sax and bass
clarinet.
Andy
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From: walter...@unc.edu (Walter Davis)
>Out of curiosity I did a search on HotBot which found a link for Kash
>Killion:
>http://www7.mercurycenter.com/justgo/jazz/artist/killion/index.htm.
>
He's now out in SF I guess and appears on Vijay Iyer's fine
_Memorophilia_ album (AsianImprov). Pretty good stuff. I want to say
that he was an early AACMer, but I can't help but think I'm confusing
him with someone else.
-walt
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From: Stiles...@webtv.net (Styles Bitchly)
====
From: FTS <toki...@earthlink.net>
Brian Sandle
: Hello everyone,
: Just came back to "harvest" more resources on where jazz cello is out there.
: The response has been delightfully overwhelming. Thanks again, all, for your
: help in compiling a comprehensive list to draw from when purchasing and
: listening to jazz cello. As before, I copy-and-pasted the posts and include
: the responses here.
: Regards,
: Lisa
Any silver haired ones like Grapelli?
rink e. dinkus
can't lose. you see the album, feel NO pretension whatsoever, and simply
ENJOY his work.
pcl
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Ton Maas
dhe...@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu (Don Herzog) wrote:
>Ernst Reijseger: stunning technique, fiendishly nasty musical
>sensibilities, also sometimes snotty and funny. His work with the (sadly
>defunct) Gerry Hemingway Quintet is amazing, as is his work with the
>(sadly defunct) Clusone Trio.
Defunct or hibernating? One of his other ensembles - the Amsterdam String
Trio - was recently revived after more than a decade of "inactivity".
Two more great cellists that haven't been mentioned so far:
Vincent Segal (has been with the Glenn Ferris Trio for many years now)
Vincent Courtois (amazing contributions on Rabih Abou-Khalil's new album)
Since both are from France, one is tempted to blame it on the old language
borders.
Ton
Dan Given
ton...@xs4all.nl (Ton Maas) wrote:
> In article <liIS2.1450$hl6....@news.itd.umich.edu>,
> dhe...@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu (Don Herzog) wrote:
>
> >Ernst Reijseger: stunning technique, fiendishly nasty musical
> >sensibilities, also sometimes snotty and funny. His work with the
(sadly
> >defunct) Gerry Hemingway Quintet is amazing, as is his work with the
> >(sadly defunct) Clusone Trio.
>
> Defunct or hibernating? One of his other ensembles - the Amsterdam
String
> Trio - was recently revived after more than a decade of "inactivity".
>
Has anyone heard the new Clusone release on Hat yet? I think it is
called Rara Avis. Is it a new recording, or material from previous
sessions?
Also on the Reijseger front, is Arcado String Trio still together? He
replaced Hank Roberts in that group, but I don't know if they recorded
anything except Green Dolphy Suite, which was a collaboration of Arcado
and Trio de Clarinettes, with Louis Sclavis et al. Amazing record.
And, though I know it's not jazz so won't fit this thread and it may
have already been mentioned, but last night I happened to put
Reijseger's solo disc, Colla Parte off the shelf. Wow! I'd forgotten how
great it is. It is, supposedly, wholly composed, not improvised, but
his writing sounds, at times, like his improvising. There is some of it
that is indo of dark and ominous, but at other times he is being very
playful. And, he writes for his own abilities, which means he showcases
not only his incredible technique, he even includes a percussion piece.
How that would be notated, I don't know.
Dan
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Clusone
issued on Hatology.
Don Herzog
Clusone <clu...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>The may issue of Cadence "CDs Received" shows a new Clusone 3 CD "Rara Avis"
>issued on Hatology.
That's the last one from this band, as the liner notes confirm. I had the
news of Clusone and the Hemingway Quintet disbanding from Gerry Hemingway
-- apparently too much personal tension between Reijseger and Moore.
I like Rara Avis quite a bit, despite the somewhat hokey theme (all tunes
referring to birds). I like all their stuff quite a bit, so that's not
helpful. This one is mostly more reflective, like the session of Irving
Berlin covers on hat, and has less outside and hard-swinging playing than
some of the others.
don
Styles Bitchly
Winter. It is a beautiful thing; also his duet with Louis Sclavis on
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<dlg...@julian.uwo.ca> writes
Thanks, Dan - didn't know that existed. I've just been listening
to what I guess to be a companion piece to this, "Colla Voche", in which
he plays with the "Tenore e Cuncordu de Oresei" from Sardinia. Not jazz,
but fairly beautiful.
Brian
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with Erenst Reijseger and Arcado string trio. Arcado string tri has not
existed for some years now>lso on the Reijseger front, is Arcado String Trio