Wayne Shorter - Night Dreamer
Gilbertrod
Just re-reading the notes and cover while enjoying a good listen (as one
does)......and I noticed something for the first time on the cover.
It says:
NIGHT DREAMER WAYNE SHORTER
Lee Morgan / Reginald Workman / Elvin Jones / Etc
Jeez, Blue Note...."ETC"??.....what would it have taken to include McCOY TYNER
on the cover, the only other member at the session!?
Keith L. Saunders
>Just re-reading the notes and cover while enjoying a good listen (as one
>does)......and I noticed something for the first time on the cover.
>It says:
>NIGHT DREAMER WAYNE SHORTER
> Lee Morgan / Reginald Workman / Elvin Jones / Etc
Lee Morgan? I thought it was Freddie Hubbard playing on that
album.
Keith Saunders
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Jack Woker
>
> Just re-reading the notes and cover while enjoying a good listen (as one
> does)......and I noticed something for the first time on the cover.
>
> It says:
>
> NIGHT DREAMER WAYNE SHORTER
> Lee Morgan / Reginald Workman / Elvin Jones / Etc
>
> on the cover, the only other member at the session!?
This subject has come up before on this newsgroup. Apparently Tyner was
under contract to Impulse at the time, which prevented the use of his
name on the front of the record. The terms of his agreement with Impulse
seem to have stipulated that he was entitled to record as a sideman for
other labels, as long as it was clear that he was strictly a sideman.
The use of his name on the front cover might imply otherwise. There are
a few other Blue Note LP's where his identity is "Etc". At least his
real name does appear on the back. There are many instances where
musicians were forced to appear under pseudonyms to honor their
contracts - e.g. George Lane, Art Salt, Ronnie Peters, Joe Splink, Hunt
Peters, Buckshot La Funque, Ferris Bender, Roger Short, Manny Shell, Sir
Jonathan Gasser, etc.
jack
jack
Chuck Nessa
name appearing on the cover.
CN
Gilbertrod
Thanks...should have known there was an attorney in there somewhere!
Rod
mark webber
On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Keith L. Saunders wrote:
> gilbe...@aol.com (Gilbertrod) wrote:
>
>
> >Just re-reading the notes and cover while enjoying a good listen (as one
> >does)......and I noticed something for the first time on the cover.
>
> >It says:
>
> >NIGHT DREAMER WAYNE SHORTER
> > Lee Morgan / Reginald Workman / Elvin Jones / Etc
>
>
>
> Lee Morgan? I thought it was Freddie Hubbard playing on that
> album.
>
No way! Night Dreamer is a GREAT record!
(Only kidding. Hubbard was terrific on Speak No Evil)
Mark
jpf...@my-dejanews.com
How about a tabulation of these pseudonyms, the real names they represent, and
the name of the recordings on which they appeared? There probably are some
interesting stories about the how and why of the pseudonym being used. Please
share that too if you know.
Thanks.
jeff
In article <360669...@ix.netcom.com>,
ste...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> Gilbertrod wrote:
> >
> > Just re-reading the notes and cover while enjoying a good listen (as one
> > does)......and I noticed something for the first time on the cover.
> >
> > It says:
> >
> > NIGHT DREAMER WAYNE SHORTER
> > Lee Morgan / Reginald Workman / Elvin Jones / Etc
> >
> > Jeez, Blue Note...."ETC"??.....what would it have taken to include McCOY TYNER
> > on the cover, the only other member at the session!?
>
> This subject has come up before on this newsgroup. Apparently Tyner was
> under contract to Impulse at the time, which prevented the use of his
> name on the front of the record. The terms of his agreement with Impulse
> seem to have stipulated that he was entitled to record as a sideman for
> other labels, as long as it was clear that he was strictly a sideman.
> The use of his name on the front cover might imply otherwise. There are
> a few other Blue Note LP's where his identity is "Etc". At least his
> real name does appear on the back. There are many instances where
> musicians were forced to appear under pseudonyms to honor their
> contracts - e.g. George Lane, Art Salt, Ronnie Peters, Joe Splink, Hunt
> Peters, Buckshot La Funque, Ferris Bender, Roger Short, Manny Shell, Sir
> Jonathan Gasser, etc.
>
> jack
>
> jack
>
>
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true identity of all the pseudonyms you listed except for these 4: Joe
Splink Hunt Peters (same as Ronnie ???) Ferris Bender Sir Jonathan Gasser
could you please translate to the true identity and list the LP where they
were listed as such? thanks JK
Jack Woker
to add to the list? When we get enough, I'll be happy to post the list.
George Lane = Eric Dolphy (John Coltrane "Ole", Atlantic)
Art Salt = Art Pepper (Shorty Rogers "Blues Express", RCA Victor)
Ronnie Peters = Cannonball Adderley (Milt Jackson "Plenty Plenty Soul",
Atlantic)
Joe Splink = Clifford Scott (Richard Groove Holmes "Somethin' Special,
Pacific Jazz)
Hunt Peters = J.J. Johnson (Elvin Jones "And Then Again", Atlantic)
Buckshot La Funque = Cannonball Adderley (Here Comes Louis Smith", Blue
Note)
Ferris Bender = Jackie McLean (Art Blakey "Night in Tunisia", Vik)
Roger Short = Shorty Rogers ("Wild One" soundtrack, Decca)
Manny Shell = Shelly Manne ("Wild One" soundtrack, Decca)
Sir Jonathan Gasser = Johnny Smith ("Jazz Studio 1", Decca)
I Ching = Freddie Redd (Howard McGhee "The Connection", Felsted)
A Tenorman = Ben Webster (Carmen McRae "Birds of a Feather", Decca)
Hey Louis = Louis Hayes (Thad Jones "Motor City Scene", Bethlehem)
jack
Chuck Nessa
CN
D Royko
Cue Porter=Johnny Hodges (Billy Strayhorn's Cue for Saxophone)
Dave Royko
Francois Ziegler
>> I think I'll begin a file. Anyone else want
>> to add to the list? When we get enough, I'll be happy to post the list.
Jack:
There was a such a thread earlier this year on the Jazz West Coast list.
Here are a few that were quoted, plus some that I am aware of. Advance
apologies for any errors...
Dju Berry = Stan Getz (Jimmy Gourley "No More", Musica, 1981)
B. Bopstein = Dizzy Gillespie (Tony Scott, Gotham, 1946)
Boots Brown = Shorty Rogers ("Rock That Beat", Groove, 1952-53)
Tiger Brown = Maynard Ferguson ("Jazz Studio 4", Decca, 1955)
Charlie Chan = Charlie Parker ("Jazz At Massey Hall", Debut, 1953)
Charlie Chan = Charlie Parker (Miles Davis "Collector's Items",Prestige,1953)
Prince Charming = Count Basie (Kansas City Seven, Keynote, 1944)
Sven Coolson = Stan Getz (Jimmy Raney "Plays", Prestige, 1953)
Lonesome Dragon = Bob Moses (Gary Burton "A Genuine Tong Funeral", RCA, 1967)
Don Friedman = Russ Freeman ("Jazz Studio 4", Decca, 1955)
Gabriel = Dizzy Gillespie (Tempo Jazz Men, Dial, 1946)
Hen Gates = Dizzy Gillespie (Charlie Parker, Savoy, 1945)
Jimmy Gloomy = James Moody (Tubby Hayes "Return Visit", Fontana, 1962)
Aye Guy = Nat King Cole (Lester Young "Trio", Clef, 1946)
Bunny Harris = Jimmy Raney (Dick Collins "King Richard...", RCA, 1954)
Bert Herbert = Herb Geller ("Jazz Studio 4", Decca, 1955)
Ike Horowitz = Al Cohn? (Urbie Green "East Coast Jazz", Bethlehem, 1955)
Shoeless Joe Jackson = Mel Powell (JATP, Disc, 1946)
Shoeless John Jackson = Benny Goodman (Mel Powell, Commodore, 1942)
Sonny Jackson = King Curtis (Sue, 1961)
Ken Kenney = Red Norvo ("Jazz Studio 4", Decca, 1955)
Buddy Poor = Buddy Rich (Harry James "Wild About Harry", Capitol, 1957)
Cue Porter = Johnny Hodges (Billy Strayhorn "Cue For Saxophone, Felsted, 1958)
The Prince = Shorty Rogers? ("Jazz Studio 4", Decca, 1955)
Swing Roo = Cozy Cole (Teddy Wilson, Brunswick, 1937)
Joe Scott = Wynton Kelly (Sonny Criss "At The Crossroads", Peacock, 1959)
Zeke Tolin = Lee Konitz (Gil Evans "And Ten", Prestige, 1957)
Trumpeter X = Harry Edison (Manny Albam "Jazz Greats...", Coral, 1957)
A few others I can't substantiate in detail, but I trust you could:
Kunst Bauer = Art Farmer
John Birks = Dizzy Gillespie
Little Brother = Nat Adderley
Maggsi Evonce = Howard McGhee
Izzy Goldberg = Dizzy Gillespie
Rock Murphy = Barney Kessel
Chuck Kidde = Charlie Shavers
Oliver King = Thad Jones
Kansas Lawrence = Carmell Jones
Blue Lou = Grant Green
Shorty Nadine = Nat King Cole
Virgil Nameless = Johnny Dankworth
Lord Nelson (or Byron?) = Sonny Stitt
A. N. Other = Allen Eager
Slim Romero = Fats Navarro
George Spelvin = Bud Shank
Blue Train = John Coltrane
Peter Urban = Art Farmer
There must be gazillions more... I think it would indeed be good to have your
list posted somewhere permanent and referenced in the faq...
Francois Z.
Martin S. Milgrim
>
> Here's a preliminary list. I think I'll begin a file. Anyone else want
> to add to the list?
Zeke Tolin (anagram of Lee Konitz) = Lee Konitz on Gil Evans +10
(Prestige)
Jimmy Gloomy = James Moody on Tubby Hayes' Smash LP
Jim Whatsmyname = Jimmy Cleveland on Lucky Thompson's ABC Paramount LPs
Martin
Gremal
> Jack, Inner Urge might have been another where McCoy was ETC???? I [snip]
i can't find a bn cover from this era that lists Tyner but several list
elvin jones, who if i'm not mistaken was also under contract at impulse at
that time. any explanation?
Jack Woker
>
> i can't find a bn cover from this era that lists Tyner but several list
> elvin jones, who if i'm not mistaken was also under contract at impulse at
> that time. any explanation?
I can only surmise that McCoy's deal with Impulse was different than
Elvin's. It seems logical that Impulse felt that McCoy Tyner was a more
saleable commodity than Elvin, and therefore attached more stipulations
to his contract. To my knowledge, McCoy Tyner is the the only artist to
have ever been given the "etc" treatment by Blue Note, although there
have been a few pseudonyms used by others. Interestingly, on the
original pressings of Art Blakey's "Impulse!" album (on Impulse), it is
stated that Art Blakey "appears courtesy of Blue Note", an unusual
situation in which an artist under contract to one label actually makes
an LP for a rival label. Obviously these matters are handled in many
different ways. Sometimes when two leaders record together, they make
two LP's, one each for the labels under which each is contracted. For
example, Les McCann and Stanley Turrentine made such a swap (McCann on
ST's "That's Where It's At" Blue Note, and Turrentine on McCann's "In
New York", Pacific Jazz) as did Tony Bennett/Count Basie
(Columbia/Roulette), and Chris Connor/Maynard Ferguson
(Atlantic/Roulette).
jack
Michael Kinsella
Dirty Rivers for Muddy Waters on Otis Spann's "Blues Never Die". Talk about
flaunting it!!
Matt Snyder
<zie...@math.psu.edu> wrote:
>There must be gazillions more... I think it would indeed be good to have your
>list posted somewhere permanent and referenced in the faq...
Hell's bells, I'm still working on assimilating Walt Davis's
avant-garde primer into the faq. But please, Jack, send me the list
when you have it ready. It will get in to the faq eventually.
Matt Snyder
http://www.dragonfire.net/~msnyder
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Francois Ziegler
Sam Beethoven = Jimmy Raney (Cohn-Perkins-Kamuca "The Brothers", RCA, 1955)
Darlene Edwards = Jo Stafford ("The Piano Artistry Of Jonathan Edwards", Columbia)
Jonathan Edwards = Paul Weston ("------------------------------------", ---, 1957)
Bob Free(d)man = Marty Paich? (Herbie Harper/Mel Lewis, Spin-O-Rama, 1957)
Roy Green = Ray Brown (Joyce Collins "Girl Here Plays Mean Piano", Jazzland, 1960)
Jo Jaguar = Martial Solal (Vogue EPs, 1956)
Spider Johnson = Cannonball Adderley (Riverside single, 1962)
Herb Walsh = Herb Geller ("Best From The West", Blue Note, 1954-55)
Francois Z.
Gary Smiley
jpf...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Jack-
> How about a tabulation of these pseudonyms, the real names they
> represent, and
> the name of the recordings on which they appeared?
To reply, please remove the anti-spam portion of the return address.
mark webber
This is the pseudonym (Felix Krull) that always gets me - the notion of
Horace Parlan sitting around reading Thomas Mann while he waits for his
band mates to arrive at the session....
On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Chuck Nessa wrote:
> Felix Krull = Horace Parlan (Booker Ervin "That's It", Candid)
>
> CN
>
> Jack Woker wrote:
> >
> > Here's a preliminary list. I think I'll begin a file. Anyone else want
Jaromil
I don't find that hard to beleive at all, I've done it myself.
Tim Brockett
Jack Woker
>
> Wilbur Mosby = Don Patterson
Can you identify the recording?
jack