What ever happened to Chuck Mangione?
Fabio Rojas
What ever happened to Chuck Mangione? He seems
to have had his height in th 70's. Is he still
recording/playing music? How does it compare
with his "classic" stuff? Etc. Etc.
-fabio
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In article <4nbse3$8...@agate.berkeley.edu>, Fabio Rojas writes:
>What ever happened to Chuck Mangione? He seems
>to have had his height in th 70's. Is he still
>recording/playing music? How does it compare
>with his "classic" stuff? Etc. Etc.
>
>
neato says:
he took off his hat,grew hair,switched instruments and became kenny g..
..classic????
-sorry i couldnt resist
cheers
all my mistakes were once acts
of genius
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bste...@idsonline.com
Chuck Mangione was the equivalent of Kenny G back in the 70s,
just as Herbie Mann was the equivalent of Kenny G in the 60s.
Just my op so don't start blubbering,
Bryan
Todd Hildreth
"bste...@idsonline.com" <bste...@idsonline.com> wrote:
Maybe, but I found Chuck M.'s tunes to be pretty good. Gene Harris
has a version of "Children of Sanchez" (I think that's what it's
called) that'll blow you away!
Todd
Bryan Stewart
fro...@oreo.berkeley.edu (Fabio Rojas) wrote:
>I think people are being a bit harsh on Chuck (and Herbie
>Mann). Why so harsh?
>Unlike some of Kenny G's music, it isn't just running
>up and down scales.
>
>As for Herbie Mann, this dude can jam. First of all,
>he was one of the first genuine jazz flautists.
>He put out some real cheesy stuff but he also
>recorded some good stuff and has genuine jazz
>credentials (recorded with Clifford Brown, for example).
I think you are partially right Fabio. I was refering to all
the radio airplay the three of them have accumulated over the
last 30 years. And yeah, there were a lot of cheesy albums
from Herbie when he became the standard bearer for Atlantic.
Now if he would only play seriously. I know he can jam if he
wants to. As far as Chuck goes, well that goes without
saying...
Just my opinion man,
Bryan
Piddipat
i've heard chuck mangione really cut up--i have on tape his version of
sonny rollins" st. thomas. i think that he had real chops--i don't know
about kenny g or herbie mann--it's possible that they're actually playing
to the best of their ability. mangione, though, chose to play "pablum" for
easier marketability (which i don't have a problem with, because i've gots
LOTS of clifford brown, miles davis, and lee morgan albums. :D)
piddipat
Fabio Rojas
I think people are being a bit harsh on Chuck (and Herbie
of the jazz greats, or even close, but he ain't
as bad as Mr. G. He wrote some nice tunes, put together
some interesting sounds and made some fun music.
He never claimed the mantle of greatness. Why so harsh?
Unlike some of Kenny G's music, it isn't just running
up and down scales.
As for Herbie Mann, this dude can jam. First of all,
he was one of the first genuine jazz flautists.
He put out some real cheesy stuff but he also
recorded some good stuff and has genuine jazz
credentials (recorded with Clifford Brown, for example).
-fabio
David J. Strauss
> just as Herbie Mann was the equivalent of Kenny G in the 60s.
I don't know -- could you see Kenny G hiring Sonny Sharrock and letting
him do pretty much much what he wanted, as Mann did? The again, I don't
think he can ever be forgiven for the cover of _Push Push_....
DS
Matthew Snyder
fro...@oreo.berkeley.edu (Fabio Rojas) writes:
>What ever happened to Chuck Mangione? He seems
>to have had his height in th 70's. Is he still
>recording/playing music? How does it compare
>with his "classic" stuff? Etc. Etc.
He played the Bluenote in New York last summer and sounded great. WIth
the exception of long-time reedman Gerry Niewood, the band was all
youngsters. He's still playing in his style, although he mixed up old
and new material.
Matt Snyder "Something's always happening,
hsn...@crab.rutgers.edu every googolplexth of a second."
- Thelonious Monk
Randall Kennedy
In <319a4ac8...@news.iglou.com> tha...@iglou.com (Todd Hildreth)
writes:
>> Chuck Mangione was the equivalent of Kenny G back in the 70s,
to signal a downturn in his fortunes in which he actually assaulted
Claude Nobs (fest promoter and general jazz guru) on stage for Euro
television amidst some generally erratic behavior. I saw this band pre
"Feels So Good" and enjoyed them espec. Gerry Niewood and Esther
Satterfield.
Randall
SwingDoug
David J. Strauss wrote:
>
> > just as Herbie Mann was the equivalent of Kenny G in the 60s.
>
> him do pretty much much what he wanted, as Mann did? The again, I don't
> think he can ever be forgiven for the cover of _Push Push_....
>
> DS
EEW! That album cover just turns my stomach! What was he thinking?
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On Wed, 15 May 1996 21:23:28 GMT, tha...@iglou.com (Todd Hildreth)
wrote:
>"bste...@idsonline.com" <bste...@idsonline.com> wrote:
>
>> Chuck Mangione was the equivalent of Kenny G back in the 70s,
>> just as Herbie Mann was the equivalent of Kenny G in the 60s.
Well, the problem with that analogy is that Chuck could (and CAN)
really play. He worked with Art Blakey, for heaven's sake!!!
I saw him late last year at the Blue Note and he was great. Gerry
Niewood (another great player) is back with him and they sound
fantastic.
Bryan Stewart
djs...@is.nyu.edu (David J. Strauss) wrote:
>> just as Herbie Mann was the equivalent of Kenny G in the 60s.
>
>him do pretty much much what he wanted, as Mann did? The again, I don't
>think he can ever be forgiven for the cover of _Push Push_....
Good point! But I was referring to all the cheesey Atlantic
LPs he did back in the 60s.
IMOP,
Bryan
Tom Duncan
In article <4nbse3$8...@agate.berkeley.edu>, Fabio Rojas writes:
>
>What ever happened to Chuck Mangione? He seems
>to have had his height in th 70's. Is he still
>recording/playing music? How does it compare
>with his "classic" stuff? Etc. Etc.
>
>
I haven't kept up with Mangione much in recent times either,
but he will be at the Syracuse Jazz Fest at the end of this month, and
I'll be curious to hear what he's doing now.
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Todd Hildreth
Tom Duncan <dun...@cross.bmb.hscsyr.edu> wrote:
> I haven't kept up with Mangione much in recent times either,
> but he will be at the Syracuse Jazz Fest at the end of this month, and
> I'll be curious to hear what he's doing now.
> --
He's got new stuff, but rest assured people will want to hear the
hits, and that's what he'll play.
Todd
mellow
On Wed, 15 May 1996 21:23:28 GMT, tha...@iglou.com (Todd Hildreth) wrote:
>"bste...@idsonline.com" <bste...@idsonline.com> wrote:
>
>> Chuck Mangione was the equivalent of Kenny G back in the 70s,
>> just as Herbie Mann was the equivalent of Kenny G in the 60s.
>>
>> Just my op so don't start blubbering,
>> Bryan
>>
>
>Maybe, but I found Chuck M.'s tunes to be pretty good. Gene Harris
>has a version of "Children of Sanchez" (I think that's what it's
>called) that'll blow you away!
>
>Todd
To put in my $.02 I have a CD called _Hey Baby_
from 1961 before Chuck "crossed over" and it's
not bad. You might be able to find it around. It's
a Riverside recording. Gap Mangione is on piano,
Sal Nistico tenor, Steve Davis bass, and Roy McCurdy
on drums.
It has a version of "Bag's Groove" if you're curious
what Chuck does with that tune.
H. Loess
fro...@oreo.berkeley.edu (Fabio Rojas) wrote:
>What ever happened to Chuck Mangione? He seems
>to have had his height in th 70's. Is he still
>recording/playing music? How does it compare
>with his "classic" stuff? Etc. Etc.
If this post doesn't get a nomination for "Best Use of Quotation
Marks" then it's time to rethink the whole awards process!
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Steve Robinson
On 17 May 1996, Bryan Stewart wrote:
> djs...@is.nyu.edu (David J. Strauss) wrote:
> >> just as Herbie Mann was the equivalent of Kenny G in the 60s.
> >
> >I don't know -- could you see Kenny G hiring Sonny Sharrock and letting
> >him do pretty much much what he wanted, as Mann did? The again, I don't
> >think he can ever be forgiven for the cover of _Push Push_....
>
> Good point! But I was referring to all the cheesey Atlantic
> LPs he did back in the 60s.
>
> IMOP,
> Bryan
>
>
>
Excuse me, but I don't think it's a good point. Herbie did not let Sonny
Sharrock do whatever he wanted, and in fact, Sonny appears with Herbie on
at least one Atlantic LP I am aware of ("Live at the Village Gate").
Whether or not one considers that one "cheesy" (I don't) is a matter of
opinion, but it most certainly is straight ahead, not the stuff for which
Sharrock was best known.
Steve Robinson
Seattle, WA
Ronald F. Roberts
In article <Pine.PTX.3.92a.96051...@carson.u.washington.edu>,
Steve, I think you meant to say Sharrock appears on several Herbie Mann
albums, of which MEMPHIS UNDERGROUND is one (Sharrock doesn't appear
on LIVE AT THE VILLAGE GATE), right?
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Michael Delceg
I heard Chuck Mangione play in a pianoless quartet with Nick
Brignola. He definitely held his own. About that time, he was also
playing with Blakey. If he went commercial to earn a crust I don't
blame him, and I don't assume that he can't play given the
opportunity.
Mike
Mark Polis
fro...@oreo.berkeley.edu (Fabio Rojas) wrote:
¤What ever happened to Chuck Mangione? He seems
¤to have had his height in th 70's. Is he still
¤recording/playing music? How does it compare
¤with his "classic" stuff? Etc. Etc.
¤-fabio
If I'm not mistaken, it was with Chuck Mangione & Co. that his drummer
Steve Gadd made some of his first public appearances and recordings -
that, in and of itself, confers Mangione with a respectful level of
dignity here...
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David J. Strauss
> Excuse me, but I don't think it's a good point. Herbie did not let Sonny
> Sharrock do whatever he wanted, and in fact, Sonny appears with Herbie on
> at least one Atlantic LP I am aware of ("Live at the Village Gate").
> Whether or not one considers that one "cheesy" (I don't) is a matter of
> opinion, but it most certainly is straight ahead, not the stuff for which
> Sharrock was best known.
Well, Sharrock went out of his way to praise Mann and the freedom that he
gave him in more than one interview (no, I don't have a source -- Musician
Magazine, perhaps?) While, say, Mann's _Windows Opened_ is certainly more
restrained than Sharrock's _Black Woman_, it probably has much to do with
the nature of the music, which was commercial at the time, no doubt. But
what a band -- Sharrock, Roy Ayers, and Miroslav Vitous. When Mann's music
started going further out -- as on some of _Memphis 2 Step_, Sharrock gets
pretty raucous.
But what the hell is an Ayler-head like myself doing defending Mann
anyway? Next subject.
DS
Bryan Stewart
Oh I don't assume he can't play. But whenever I think of Chuck
Mangione, I think of the music played on the morning and
afternoon television talk shows of the 70s. That is what his
sound reminds me of.
IMOP,
Bryan
Frank Coffman
fro...@oreo.berkeley.edu (Fabio Rojas) writes:
: What ever happened to Chuck Mangione? He seems
: to have had his height in th 70's. Is he still
: recording/playing music? How does it compare
: with his "classic" stuff? Etc. Etc.
I saw Chuck Mangione in concert recently. He apparently got
fed up with the music business and went into retirement for
a period of time. Totaly hung up his horn and did nothing but
watch sports. I think Dizzy Gillespie had something to do with
getting him playing again. Anyway, he had a very good band,
and the concert was enjoyable.
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In <319cc2f1...@news2.emi.net> mel...@emi.net (mellow) writes:
>To put in my $.02 I have a CD called _Hey Baby_ from 1961 [snip] and
>it's not bad. [snip] Gap Mangione is on piano, Sal Nistico tenor,
>Steve Davis bass, and Roy McCurdy on drums.
>
>It has a version of "Bag's Groove" if you're curious
They also do a version of Just You, Just Me that uses the same
arrangement as Coleman Hawkins' tune Spotlite, so Chuck (or Gap) was
listening. I do think Gap is weak on this one, though, and Nistico
isn't yet at his Herman Herd level of intensity.
- JRB
M A Webs
<<I saw Chuck Mangione in concert recently. He apparently got
fed up with the music business and went into retirement for
a period of time. Totaly hung up his horn and did nothing but
watch sports. I think Dizzy Gillespie had something to do with
getting him playing again. Anyway, he had a very good band,
and the concert was enjoyable. >>
There was a buzz for a while that he cooled out because he had blown his
chops - way too much touring after having all those hits.
Jack Woker
>
><<I saw Chuck Mangione in concert recently. He apparently got
>fed up with the music business and went into retirement for
>a period of time. Totaly hung up his horn and did nothing but
>watch sports. I think Dizzy Gillespie had something to do with
>getting him playing again.
It seems unlikely to me that someone who acheived the level of success
that Chuck reached would become fed up with the music business. Maybe
because of the success he was able to afford to take some time off and
recharge his batteries. Chuck was actually a protege of Dizzy's as a
teenager, btw. I remember seeing Chuck with Art Blakey back in the
sixties and hating him, thinking he was a total jive-ass, but I
rediscovered him in the seventies (his Mercury album "Chuck Mangione
Quartet" is still a favorite) and actually came to like the album he
made with Blakey ("Buttercorn Lady"), but by the late 70's I came to
dislike him again, because he was selling a lot of lightweight shlock.
jack
AJT726
wow! airplay can bring out the cruelest 'jazzheds'...i hate to think what
would happen if Trane or Buhaina had gotten play...I dont think the best
of his stuff is what most folks know him for...beside the lighter stuff
serves as a gateway for people to get into the heavier music...herbie
hancock's 'headhunters' led me into miles davis, and from there Trane,
Monk, Blakey, etc...i'd bet the earliest Mangione with Niewood,
Satterfield(who reminds me of Simone) did the same for others...lighten
up!
aj thompson
Jan Klincewicz
On 24 May 1996 10:56:28 -0400, maw...@aol.com (M A Webs) wrote:
><<I saw Chuck Mangione in concert recently. He apparently got
>fed up with the music business and went into retirement for
>a period of time. Totaly hung up his horn and did nothing but
>watch sports. I think Dizzy Gillespie had something to do with
>getting him playing again. Anyway, he had a very good band,
>and the concert was enjoyable. >>
>
>There was a buzz for a while that he cooled out because he had blown his
>chops - way too much touring after having all those hits.
>
>maw...@aol.com
I heard from a reputable source ( a disk masterer) that Sony's (CBS)
Japanese execs caught him smoking pot publicly at a concert he was
playing and quit promoting him as a punishment ... just a rumour ...
Jan Klincewicz
boatc...@gmail.com
> What ever happened to Chuck Mangione? He seems
> to have had his height in th 70's. Is he still
> recording/playing music? How does it compare
> with his "classic" stuff? Etc. Etc.
>
He's ancient history, he did his thing, had his heyday, and people just lost interest in him. More or less a one-hit wonder.....
