Kenny G's backstage demands
Ira Chineson
has a list of backstage contract riders for 134 musical acts. "The
contract rider includes specifications on stage design, sound systems,
lighting rigs, as well as an artist's wish list--from transportation
and billing to dressing room accommodations and meals." The only real
jazz performer listed, Branford Marsalis, has pretty mundane and
sensible demands, so that's why I'm pointing the way to G's more
entertaining needs and desires.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/kennyg/kennyg1.html
Patskywriter
but wouldn't you think that most "stars" are just as ridiculously demanding?
pat
flippit
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r0lf!
Someone
> I never wanted to start a Kenny G thread but . . .
. . . you couldn't resist another shot at the whipping boy for jazz snobs.
> The only real
> jazz performer listed, Branford Marsalis,
Eagerly awaiting your definition of "real jazz".
Curtis Plumb
Richard Thurston
wrote:
One man's 'cultural snobbery' is another man's righteous indignation.
Or is it the other way around?
Richard Thurston
brew ziggins
> Someone wrote:
>
> > "Ira Chineson" <ira...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:2661c8d5.02052...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > I never wanted to start a Kenny G thread but . . .
> >
> > . . . you couldn't resist another shot at the whipping boy for jazz snobs.
> >
> > > The only real
> > > jazz performer listed, Branford Marsalis,
> >
> > Eagerly awaiting your definition of "real jazz".
> My definition of "real jazz" is what Kenny G doesn't play.
Dood. You are *hard core*!!!!
--
L. Bruce Higgins \\ lbh2 at cornell dot edu \\ http://Tigermtn.dev.cornell.edu
"Silence is a bridge between worlds" - Robert Fripp
Ira Chineson
I'm not even remotely indignant. I'm merely amused.
RCRJAZZ
(phrase that as you will), who can attest that, not only was he weak as a
sideman, but he was weird and unsociable as well. He couldn't play, and he
couldn't deal with people who could. So, while they were busy practicing, he
got busy marketing. He got what he wanted. I hope he's happy.
Gary Smiley
Mike C.
another shot at a critic of the ultimate troll bait.
Troll.
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> Not just jazz snobs, but regular jazz fans as well.
Define your terms.
What is a "regualr jazz fan"? I would think most jazz fans think of
themselves as "regular," including the ones who like KG.
Someone
Anonymous sources, ridicule, and slander. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
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Someone
> I'm not even remotely indignant. I'm merely amused.
At your ability to heap scorn on others, no doubt.
Skip Elliott Bowman
standard issue to me, no weird or unusual requests. It looks like nothing
you wouldn't find in any halfway-decent First Class lounge at the airport,
except there are no internet or fax connections requested. What's wrong
with having lockable dressing rooms and hot, palatable food for the band and
crew?
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void
>
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/kennyg/kennyg1.html
Some of the non-jazz performers are even funnier. A Tribe Called
Quest specifies that they need rice or soy milk, vanilla or plain
but _no carob_! Ok guys.
--
Ben
"An art scene of delight
I created this to be ..." -- Sun Ra
Joe Morris
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/kennyg/kennyg1.html
Found this old Miles posting about his "You're Under Arrest"-era band
Pretty tame compared to lots of them on Smoking Gun -- Check out
Tribe Called Quest's list -- must have good ventilation :)
1. Purchaser shall provide 3 comfortable and private dressing rooms to be
used as follows:
Room 1: Miles Davis
Room 2: Miles Davis
Room 3: Tuning room with tune up amplifier
2. Rooms shall be clean, dry, well lighted and heated or air-conditioned.
Each shall contain at least 6 chairs, 2 tables, have a private lavatory
supplied with soap, hot and cold running water, mirrors, tissue paper and
12 cloth towels.
3. Any effort to improve the environment of the dressing rooms would be
greatly appreciated (i.e., comfortable furniture, rugs, plants, tables
with ash trays, etc.)
4. There must be a lock on all dressing rooms and the key must be
available to Trumpet's representative at time of stage call.
5. CATERING: Purchaser to provide at Purchaser's own expense catering for
the entire crew and band as per the following:
A. There shall be coffee, donuts, orange juice and 1/2 gallon of mild
provided for the crew for load-in (usually around noon the day of the show).
B. A hot, sitdown meal is to be served to the entire crew and band prior
to the show. The meal shall include either beef (sirloin or better
grade), chicken, turkey or veal. There shall be no pork, lamb, turkey
roll, chicken loaf or chopped meat. The hot meal shall include meat
(roast or broiled, potatoes, fresh vegetables, dessert, choice of
beverages both hot and cold, beer as below. Perrier and Evian, fruit
juices, coffee and teas hot and cold). The meal shall be served at either
6:00pm or 1/2 hour after soundcheck at Trumpet's request.
C. There shall also be placed on the stage for the show, the following:
1 case Budweiser
2 dozen towels
6 large bottles of Pierrier and Evian
D. There shall be placed in each dressing room prior to the performance:
1. Miles Davis
a. 1 box Kleenex
b. snack platter consisting of fruits, cheese, crackers,
nuts and hard salami
c. 3 large bottles of Perrier and Evian
d. 1 large bottle of apple juice
2 Miles Davis band
a. 1/2 case Miller beer
b. snack platter consisting of fruits, cheese, crackers,
nuts and hard salami
c. 6 large bottles of Evian water
d. 2 bottles of good quality red wine
e. 1 bunch bananas
3. Tune-Up Room
1 pot hot coffee
6. STAGE CREW: The following is the minimum number of stage personnel
required by Trumpet to be paid by Purchaser:
A. Set-up at 12 noon:
6 stage hands
1 electrician
4 truck loaders
B. Show run:
2 spotlight operators
4 stage hands
1 houselight operator
C: Strike:
same personnel as set-up
7. Purchaser shall make available to Trumpet 25 complimentary tickets for
the show in the first ten rows.
8. Should a rain date be required, the Purchaser shall provide hotel
accommodations of Trumpet's choice for each day between the original
engagement date and the evening of the rain date performance.
--
Joe Morris, SysAdmin and Not Insane
Atlanta stories http://jolomo.net/
Richard Thurston
wrote:
I can't understand why you'd pick on Kenny G. After all I'd wager he's
big in that Budweiser swigging, Macdonalds munching crowd you profess
to care so much about. Remember? Working class folks? The
proletariat?
What happened to your eglitarian urges?
The current Harpers Magazine has a lengthy story regarding the
National Lampoon Magazine and its rise and fall. Pictured in the
article is a shot of the famous cover they did where a handsome dog
has a gun held to its head with a caption which reads something like
"buy this magazine or we kill the dog".
I thought of that when I read the first sentence of your original
post.
"I never wanted to start a Kenny G thread BUT..."
File this one under 'stop me before I kill again'.
Richard
Skip Elliott Bowman
safe place to keep their personal belongings while the show is going on?
This is sick.
At least some true colors are finally flying.
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giant food
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--Allen
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Allen Michie
posting? On the Miles listserv archive?
--Allen Michie
__________________
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English Department
Iowa State University
(515) 294-2834
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~amichie
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Marc Sabatella
>
> "Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
> news:iP_G8.2698$AJ5.1...@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net...
> > Not just jazz snobs, but regular jazz fans as well.
>
> Define your terms.
>
> What is a "regualr jazz fan"? I would think most jazz fans think of
> themselves as "regular," including the ones who like KG.
For what it's worth, the percentage of jazz fans who like Kenny G is, in
my experience, small enough to be negligible, unless of course we define
jazz so as to include the music played by Kenny G. That is, I suppose,
an issue in itself, but is is worth noting that virtually no one who is
familiar with the history of jazz does so.
With that in mind:
> > > . . . you couldn't resist another shot at the whipping boy for
jazz
> snobs.
I believe the implication of the "not just jazz snobs" comment is that
even jazz fans who also appreciate other kinds of music treat Kenny G as
some sort of "whipping boy". In my experience, again, this is very
true. I know many jazz fans, most of whom also like classical, blues,
indie rock, reggae, Hindustani, or other forms of music, and virtually
all of them revile Gorelick.
--------------
Marc Sabatella
ma...@outsideshore.com
Check out my latest CD, "Falling Grace"
Also "A Jazz Improvisation Primer", Sounds, Scores, & More:
http://www.outsideshore.com/
Allen Michie
indie rock, reggae, Hindustani, or other forms of music, and virtually
all of them revile Gorelick<<
Thanks for writing this, Marc, this is very true. This tired discussion
topic is always put in terms of "jazz" vs. "non-jazz" and those impossible
definitions, when it's really more about "substantial" vs. "insubstantial"
music, whatever the marketing labels.
--Allen
Alan Young
<sc...@IowaTelecom.net> wrote:
> I have one of these contract for Miles Davis, circa 1986. It's amazing!
>
Do tell! Can you post it for us?
Someone
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> . . . virtually no one who is familiar with the history of jazz does so.
You mean to say that none of the people who know something about the history
of jazz that you know or are familair with like anything by Kenny G. Fine.
That's _your_ experience.
> I know many jazz fans, most of whom also like classical, blues,
> indie rock, reggae, Hindustani, or other forms of music, and virtually
> all of them revile Gorelick.
So you hang out with trendy snobs.
Someone
knives and engage in a little bloodletting. I'm surprised JC Martin hasn't
been by yet to serve up a dollop of KG-derision. He must be hanging out at
one of those hip-hop ng's dissing Eminem for being a hip-hackster.
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petey
<shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>Skip, it's simply another occasion for the pretentious to sharpen their
>knives and engage in a little bloodletting. I'm surprised JC Martin hasn't
>been by yet to serve up a dollop of KG-derision. He must be hanging out at
>one of those hip-hop ng's dissing Eminem for being a hip-hackster.
>
Alas, you are nearing the crux yet you don't know it. You see,
Mather's got skillz, Gorelic don't.
JC Martin
It's been my experience that Kenny G. attracts the trendy snob bunch. Most
Kenny G. fans tend to think they are listening to something rather
deep..while they sip their white zin :-). The thing is buddy, you have it
all wrong. Jazz fans aren't trendy, nor do they really take the time to be
snobs. Most of the time they just ignore people like you.
-JC
JC Martin
> Skip, it's simply another occasion for the pretentious to sharpen their
> knives and engage in a little bloodletting. I'm surprised JC Martin
hasn't
> been by yet to serve up a dollop of KG-derision. He must be hanging out
at
> one of those hip-hop ng's dissing Eminem for being a hip-hackster.
Why delude yourself? It's not healthy.
-JC
Ira Chineson
> The current Harpers Magazine has a lengthy story regarding the
> National Lampoon Magazine and its rise and fall. Pictured in the
> article is a shot of the famous cover they did where a handsome dog
> has a gun held to its head with a caption which reads something like
> "buy this magazine or we kill the dog".
>
> I thought of that when I read the first sentence of your original
> post.
>
> "I never wanted to start a Kenny G thread BUT..."
>
> File this one under 'stop me before I kill again'.
>
>
I'll file this under "Thoughts I seriously doubt you thought when you read my
original post."
Not to get too personal here, but are things kind of slow at the art
gallery?
Marc Sabatella
> You mean to say that none of the people who know something about the
history
> of jazz that you know or are familair with like anything by Kenny G.
Fine.
> That's _your_ experience.
It is a simple fact that can be verified by polling - the vast majority
of jazz fans do not consider Kenny G to play jazz. Most of these folks
also dislike him intensely, a fact that is also verifiable.
Someone
> "Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > You mean to say that none of the people who know something about the
> history
> > of jazz that you know or are familair with like anything by Kenny G.
> Fine.
> > That's _your_ experience.
>
> It is a simple fact that can be verified by polling - the vast majority
> of jazz fans do not consider Kenny G to play jazz. Most of these folks
> also dislike him intensely, a fact that is also verifiable.
Well, I'm sure we'll all be interested to read the results of your research.
First, though, you'll have to determine what constitutes "jazz" and which
people are qualified to be "fans."
Someone
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> It's been my experience that Kenny G. attracts the trendy snob bunch.
Do tell us more about the comp seats your wife got for you to the latest KG
gig.
> Most
> Kenny G. fans tend to think they are listening to something rather
> deep..while they sip their white zin :-).
Well, the same thing could be said for late-era Coltrane fans, or Cecil
Taylor fans, or electric Miles fans, now couldn't it?
> The thing is buddy, you have it
> all wrong. Jazz fans aren't trendy, nor do they really take the time to
be snobs. Most of the > time they just ignore people like you.
> -JC
Never said or implied "all" jazz fans - only fans like you, who obviously
_cannot_ ignore people like me.
Joe Morris
> That's my Miles Davis contract rider! Where did you find that ancient
> posting? On the Miles listserv archive?
My own personal archive from the list (I dropped off about 6 years ago)
Good to see your name again!
For completeness' sake, I should have posted your first paragraph
> Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 10:33:35 -0400
>
> I was once tangentially involved with a concert promotion group in
> North Carolina that was trying to get Miles to come give a concert. (The
> concert never happened, but that is another story.) They got so far as to
> get a copy of a contract with Miles' company, Trumpet Productions. I have
> a copy, dated 1986, and thought you folks might like to hear what Miles
> and his "You're Under Arrest"-era band required of any venue where they
> played:
Maybe I need to start reading that thing again . . . it still exists:
http://listserv.surfnet.nl/archives/miles.html
Oy, mem'ries
Allen Michie
history
of jazz that you know or are familair with like anything by Kenny G. Fine.
That's _your_ experience.<<
Give us the specifics about YOUR experience, then. Name two people who
publish in a public forum, familiar with the history of jazz, who consider
Kenny G to be a legitimate part of that tradition under any definition.
Dan Given
> "Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
>> news:iP_G8.2698$AJ5.1...@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net...
>>> Not just jazz snobs, but regular jazz fans as well.
>>
>> Define your terms.
>>
>> What is a "regualr jazz fan"? I would think most jazz fans think of
>> themselves as "regular," including the ones who like KG.
>
> For what it's worth, the percentage of jazz fans who like Kenny G is, in
> my experience, small enough to be negligible, unless of course we define
> jazz so as to include the music played by Kenny G. That is, I suppose,
> an issue in itself, but is is worth noting that virtually no one who is
> familiar with the history of jazz does so.
What I fail to understand is why his name comes up here so often. His music
is not jazz, jazz fans don't listen to him, there is no connection. If it
wasn't for this newsgroup, my life would be completely free of him. I don't
shop in stores that put his music in a jazz section, I don't listen to radio
stations that play his music, etc. but for some reason he is constantly
mentioned here.
Why not start picking on Yanni, John Tesh, Zamfir, or anyone else who makes
easy listening music without vocals. They are all as relevant to this
newsgroup. I just don't get it. So people here don't like Kenny G. Who
really cares., Get over it. The bashing of him on here is getting as
tiresome and pointless as Amo's "real jazz" shit.
Richard Thurston
wrote:
>Richard Thurston wrote:
Actually things are pretty good. Thanks for asking.
And I really did find it interesting how you didn't want to start a
Kenny G thread and them proceeded to do just that.
Richard Thurston
Richard Thurston
Any 'trendy snob' worthy of the designation would probably sip
chardonnay rather than white zin.
Richard Thurston
Marc Sabatella
> > It is a simple fact that can be verified by polling - the vast
majority
> > of jazz fans do not consider Kenny G to play jazz. Most of these
folks
> > also dislike him intensely, a fact that is also verifiable.
>
> Well, I'm sure we'll all be interested to read the results of your
research.
> First, though, you'll have to determine what constitutes "jazz" and
which
> people are qualified to be "fans."
I am not particularly interested in defining the term jazz, but I doubt
that would be necessary to demontrate my point. Self-identification
would be fine by me. If someone considers themselves a "jazz fan",
whatever that means to them, that would probably be good enough for this
purpose - I suspect the majority of Kenny G's fans would not in fact
self-identify as "jazz fans".
Presumably, you are in the group of people who consider themselves jazz
fans and enjoy Kenny G, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think
it plainly obvious that this is a minority opinion, and I find it hard
to believe anyone could seriously question that, but minority opinions
are valid nonetheless.
Now, it may well be that because of the historically recent marketing of
the term "smooth jazz" as a radio format, a large number enough of
people who do enjoy that genre but are unfamiliar with other forms of
jazz will identify themselves as jazz fans to throw off my hypothesis.
Even if so, then there is still no need for me to arbitrarily define the
term jazz; I will simply amend my hypothesis to differentiate "smooth
jazz" from "mainstream jazz" (or whatever one wishes to collectively
call the other genres of jazz generally recognized as such by those who
have followed the history of the music), and point out the, again,
obvious fact that the vast majority of mainstream jazz fans hate Kenny
G.
Marc Sabatella
> What I fail to understand is why his name comes up here so often. His
music
> is not jazz, jazz fans don't listen to him, there is no connection.
If it
> wasn't for this newsgroup, my life would be completely free of him. I
don't
> shop in stores that put his music in a jazz section, I don't listen to
radio
> stations that play his music, etc. but for some reason he is
constantly
> mentioned here.
It's not really that simple, as you presumably do realize. His name is
connected with jazz for two reasons. One, he has a background in music
with a more obvious connection to the jazz tradition - the Jeff Lorber
Fusion, which to seemed to follow pretty directly from Chick Corea and
other fusion bands with a recognized link to mainstream jazz. Two, the
type of music he plays is marketed as "smooth jazz", thus, like "cool
jazz", might easily be assumed to be one of the sub-genres of jazz.
Given the link from modal jazz (Miles, Herbie, Chick) to jazz-rock
fusion (same folks), and the development of the latter from those
originators through people like Chuck Mangione and Grover Washington, I
am not even sure this is so unreasonable, except that in practice it
proves so divisive. More so than the debate on the extent to which of
the various "avant-garde" forms of jazz qualify as sub-genres of jazz
and which are separate forms of music.
I think these issues are worth discussing, as they do have practical
ramifications in terms of media coverage and public support for jazz.
The way that some fans take umbrage at the inclusion of Kenny G in the
category of "jazz", and cringe at the perceived dilution of the term in
modern culture to the point where the forms of jazz they prefer are
marginalized, is not so different from the way Amos & company (a much
smaller company, thankfully) resent the inclusion of "avant-garde" forms
under the jazz umbrella. Unfortunately, merely shouting about it,
demeaning those who prefer forms of music we personally do not consider
jazz, is not helpful at all. Understanding the sources of the
differences and the issues they engender could be, though.
void
<skip...@teleport.com> wrote:
> What IS you guys' problem? You think a band doesn't deserve hot food and a
> safe place to keep their personal belongings while the show is going on?
> This is sick.
>
> At least some true colors are finally flying.
Relax, mister. The underlined prohibition against carob-flavored
soy milk just struck me funny, that's all. I think you're reading
a little too much into people's comments.
void
>
> "Marc Sabatella" <ma...@outsideshore.com> wrote in message
> news:CHcH8.579$1x3....@news.uswest.net...
>
>> indie rock, reggae, Hindustani, or other forms of music, and virtually
>> all of them revile Gorelick.
>
> So you hang out with trendy snobs.
... with ears.
JC Martin
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*L* Hey, you learn something new every day.
-JC
Richard Thurston
<subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
Strictly speaking I doubt its legal to place a case of Sutter Home
White Zinfandel in the trunk of a BMW. Kendall Jackson Chardonnay
would be fine though.
Richard Thurston
JC Martin
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Probably because in the past Kenny G. marketed himself as a jazz musician,
claimed his music was of equal substance to Coltrane's and recorded a tune
with a deceased Louis Armstrong, which was a classless move BTW. Tesh or
Yanni have never marketed themselves as jazz artists. But then they don't
play sax either :-)
-JC
Mike C.
jazz musician, as well as playing other styles of music as well. I actually
quite like R&B and funk, probably as much as jazz. However, I have pretty
good ears and can tell that Kenny G. plays out of tune, as his playing
"style" is to utilize bad embouchure, making his playing sharp.
Don't get me wrong; I actually enjoyed some of his early work for a bit.
Nice version of Junior Walker's "What Does It Take", etc. I just got really
tired of his playing really quickly, as it became quickly apparent that he
plays the same scale fragments over and over at fast speeds and doesn't
actually come up with any original, interesting ideas. Someone else pointed
out here that he knew some guys that knew him, which you dismissed. Sounds
like trolling to me.
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>
> "Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
> news:iP_G8.2698$AJ5.1...@typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net...
> > Not just jazz snobs, but regular jazz fans as well.
>
> Define your terms.
>
> What is a "regualr jazz fan"? I would think most jazz fans think of
> themselves as "regular," including the ones who like KG.
>
>
>
>
>
> > You couldn't resist
> > another shot at a critic of the ultimate troll bait.
> >
> > Troll.
> >
> >
> > "Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:ach83s$23j$1...@nwall2.odn.ne.jp...
> > >
> > > "Ira Chineson" <ira...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:2661c8d5.02052...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > > I never wanted to start a Kenny G thread but . . .
> > >
> > > . . . you couldn't resist another shot at the whipping boy for jazz
> snobs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > The only real
> > > > jazz performer listed, Branford Marsalis,
> > >
> > >
> > > Eagerly awaiting your definition of "real jazz".
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Mike C.
doesn't play in tune, due to his bad embouchure and mindless noodling of
very few actual notes, repeating the same licks over and over?
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Someone
> The bashing of [KG] on here is getting as
> tiresome and pointless as Amo's "real jazz" shit.
>
Amen.
Someone
> Now, it may well be that because of the historically recent marketing of
> the term "smooth jazz" as a radio format, a large number enough of
> people who do enjoy that genre but are unfamiliar with other forms of
> jazz will identify themselves as jazz fans to throw off my hypothesis.
> Even if so, then there is still no need for me to arbitrarily define the
> term jazz; I will simply amend my hypothesis to differentiate "smooth
> jazz" from "mainstream jazz" (or whatever one wishes to collectively
> call the other genres of jazz generally recognized as such by those who
> have followed the history of the music), and point out the, again,
> obvious fact that the vast majority of mainstream jazz fans hate Kenny
> G.
That definition would clearly change the outcome, because you have by design
excluded people who would listen to Kenny G. So then the question is - so
what? Or you trying to say that straight-ahead fans and their opinions are
the only ones that matter in the wide world of jazz?
Someone
"Allen Michie" <sc...@IowaTelecom.net> wrote in message
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> >>> You mean to say that none of the people who know something about the
> history
> of jazz that you know or are familair with like anything by Kenny G.
Fine.
> That's _your_ experience.<<
>
> Give us the specifics about YOUR experience, then. Name two people who
> publish in a public forum, familiar with the history of jazz, who consider
> Kenny G to be a legitimate part of that tradition under any definition.
>
> --Allen
Me, for one.
Secondly, Stanley Jordan, who posted something here not to long about Mr.
Kenny G:
--------------------
From: Stanley Jordan (s...@stanleyjordan.com)
Subject: Re: Stanley Jordan
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Date: 2002-03-26 01:50:18 PST
"Incidentally, I toured extensively with Kenny G. in the 80s, so I've
seen him perform many times. And I would say that the feel that he
conveys to his audience is much more important than his technical
skill or musical complexity. Kenny G. does not leave the room until
everyone in there feels his music."
--------------------
And
--------------------
From: Stanley Jordan (s...@stanleyjordan.com)
Subject: Re: Stanley Jordan
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Date: 2002-03-27 10:46:38 PST
"I *am* defending him. Kenny G is sincere, and he's a nice guy.
Is he on the same musical level as Sonny Rollins? Of course not.
But I'd rather spend my energy promoting Sonny Rollins than
putting down Kenny G."
--------------------
And then there is Marc Sabatella, who in a message within the last 24 hours
recognized that smooth jazz (as epitomized by KG) is one possible genre of
jazz.
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Marc Sabatella" <ma...@outsideshore.com> wrote in message
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Now, it may well be that because of the historically recent marketing of
the term "smooth jazz" as a radio format, a large number enough of
people who do enjoy that genre but are unfamiliar with other forms of
jazz will identify themselves as jazz fans to throw off my hypothesis.
Even if so, then there is still no need for me to arbitrarily define the
term jazz; I will simply amend my hypothesis to differentiate "smooth
jazz" from "mainstream jazz" (or whatever one wishes to collectively
call the other genres of jazz generally recognized as such by those who
have followed the history of the music), and point out the, again,
obvious fact that the vast majority of mainstream jazz fans hate Kenny
G.
--------------
So, that's three.
Someone
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
legitimate part of jazz tradition. Where would you be getting your
information?
As far as you as an example, the obvious idea of Allen's query would be to
point out two people other than yourself. If you're going to use yourself as
an example, maybe you could point out some examples of your familiarity with
the history of jazz, and then maybe cite two people who publish in a public
forum, familiar with the history of jazz, who consider Kenny G to be a
legitimate part of that tradition under any definition, and who's mother had
kids that lived.
Troll.
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
Unfortunately, your reply has nothing to do with:
> How about you first address my answer to you, which cited that the guy
> doesn't play in tune, due to his bad embouchure and mindless noodling
of
> very few actual notes, repeating the same licks over and over?
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Allen Michie
I asked for two people who publish in a public forum, familiar with the
history of jazz, who consider
Kenny G to be a legitimate part of that tradition under any definition. You
made an interesting try, but you didn't do that.
For starters, "publish" doesn't mean "post something to rec.music.bluenote."
"Publish" obviously means publish something in print; something that has
been cleared by an editor and is submitted to the scrutiny of scholars and
serious readers. Can you find anything in any jazz book or magazine,
written by anyone, that places Kenny G as a legitimate part of the jazz
tradition? Let us know when you do.
Stanley Jordan likes Kenny G's music alright, but there's nothing at all in
what Jordan says that claims Kenny G is a jazz musician. He just says that
he does a good job connecting with his audience. Pavarotti does that, too,
but that doesn't make him jazz. If anything, Stanley Jordan is careful to
*distinguish* what Kenny G does as something on a lower level than what
Sonny Rollins does. Please tell us what you saw in any of Stanley's
postings that in any way even *implies* that Kenny G is a "jazz" musician.
A decent musician, sure, but a *jazz* musician??
Wrong about Marc, too. He clearly doesn't claim Kenny G is a legitimate
part of the jazz tradition. Marc does the opposite. His message is about
how a marketing label was created for his music that uses the word "jazz,"
and how some of the people who listen to Kenny G "who do enjoy that genre
BUT ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH OTHER FORMS OF JAZZ will identify themselves as jazz
fans" as a result of necessarily throwing around the word that comes with
the marketing label. He's writing about people who are specifically
ignorant of the jazz tradition, not people who "are familiar with the
history of jazz," as I asked for.
So, your score (and Kenny G's) is still zero. Still looking forward to your
efforts.
--Allen
__________________
Allen Michie
English Department
Iowa State University
(515) 294-2834
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~amichie
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Allen Michie
> an example, maybe you could point out some examples of your familiarity
with
> the history of jazz
Also, "Someone," you obviously cannot include yourself when you aren't even
giving your name in your postings. Then again, I can't say I blame you--if
I were posting on a public forum arguing passionately for Kenny G, I
wouldn't give my real name either.
--Allen
__________________
Allen Michie
English Department
Iowa State University
(515) 294-2834
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~amichie
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
Well, while sometimes it's fun as a side activity, realize that you're
trying to get blood out of a stone. I'm sure you realize this, as you seem
pretty well read and write with a lot of clarity.
However, for those who may be following along, realize that "Someone" is
just a troll, who grabs a hold of a subject that he knows is controversial,
takes the devil's advocate side of the controversy, and then insults people
who don't agree with him, trying his best to stir up emotions of those
involved. Waste of bandwith.
"Allen Michie" <sc...@IowaTelecom.net> wrote in message
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PIANORUTH
**************************************************
I carefully read the 5 page list of
demands..and came to the conclusion
Kenny G. must think he is the Pope
or something!!! Even Sinatra's back
stage demands were fewer and more
reasonable. Proves my old theory
that the smaller the talent, the more
the arrogance!!!
Phil Smith
>
> So then the question is - so
> what? Or you trying to say that straight-ahead fans and their opinions are
> the only ones that matter in the wide world of jazz?
Put it another way: the opinions of those who have taken the time and
energy to learn about any given subject are much more worthy of
consideration than the opinions of those that haven't.
--
- Phil
To reply by email, don't use "nospam" as the recipient.
Someone
"Phil Smith" <m...@philsmith.com> wrote in message
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> Someone wrote:
> >
> > So then the question is - so
> > what? Or you trying to say that straight-ahead fans and their opinions
are
> > the only ones that matter in the wide world of jazz?
>
> Put it another way: the opinions of those who have taken the time and
> energy to learn about any given subject are much more worthy of
> consideration than the opinions of those that haven't.
>
You assume that "straight-ahead" fans are the only ones capable or
interested in learning.
Someone
"Allen Michie" <sc...@IowaTelecom.net> wrote in message
> >> If you're going to use yourself as
> > an example, maybe you could point out some examples of your familiarity
> with
> > the history of jazz
>
> Also, "Someone," you obviously cannot include yourself when you aren't
even
> giving your name in your postings.
Why not? There was no such stipulation in yur original request.
Someone
conform to the mainstream. It's use is the last resort of those who have no
other arguments worth making.
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
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Someone
"Allen Michie" <sc...@IowaTelecom.net> wrote in message
> "Someone," this is really sad. You are wrong on all counts.
>
> I asked for two people who publish in a public forum, familiar with the
> history of jazz, who consider
> Kenny G to be a legitimate part of that tradition under any definition.
You
> made an interesting try, but you didn't do that.
>
> For starters, "publish" doesn't mean "post something to
rec.music.bluenote."
> "Publish" obviously means publish something in print; something that has
> been cleared by an editor and is submitted to the scrutiny of scholars and
> serious readers.
Publish "obvioulsy" means that to you. It does not stand to reason that it
means the same for everyone. Here's a citation from American Heritage:
-------------
To prepare and issue (printed material) for public distribution or sale.
To bring to the public attention; announce. See Synonyms at announce.
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth
Edition
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No mention of editors or readers, serious or otherwise.
But if we were for the sake of argument to accept your definition of the
word, and if I were to scour the world of all known jazz publications and
found not even one mention of Kenny G, all that would prove is that people
who write about jazz have chosen to ignore one stream of contemporary jazz.
> Stanley Jordan likes Kenny G's music alright, but there's nothing at all
in
> what Jordan says that claims Kenny G is a jazz musician. He just says
that
> he does a good job connecting with his audience. Pavarotti does that,
too,
> but that doesn't make him jazz. If anything, Stanley Jordan is careful to
> *distinguish* what Kenny G does as something on a lower level than what
> Sonny Rollins does.
"Lower" is your own bias. I think Stanley says he's not on the same
_level_.
> Please tell us what you saw in any of Stanley's
> postings that in any way even *implies* that Kenny G is a "jazz" musician.
> A decent musician, sure, but a *jazz* musician??
He implicity includes KG in the jazz tradition by comparing him with Sonny
Rollins.
> Wrong about Marc, too. He clearly doesn't claim Kenny G is a legitimate
> part of the jazz tradition. Marc does the opposite. His message is about
> how a marketing label was created for his music that uses the word "jazz,"
> and how some of the people who listen to Kenny G "who do enjoy that genre
> BUT ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH OTHER FORMS OF JAZZ will identify themselves as
jazz
> fans"
But Marc clearly says for the benefit of his research, self-identification
is acceptable, meaning that smooth jazz fans fit his creiteria, implicitly
acknowledging that for some people jazz includes smooth jazz.
So, my score is still 3.
Someone
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
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a
> legitimate part of jazz tradition. Where would you be getting your
> information?
See my reply to Allen.
>
> If you're going to use yourself as
> an example, maybe you could point out some examples of your familiarity
with
> the history of jazz,
How might I do that? Would you like a list of my record collection?
Perhaps a run down of jazz concerts that I've been to?
Someone
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Ira Chineson
> Actually things are pretty good. Thanks for asking.
>
> And I really did find it interesting how you didn't want to start a
> Kenny G thread and them proceeded to do just that.
>
>
And you found the thread so interesting that you've posted 4 replies and
counting.....
Allen Michie
in what Jordan says that claims Kenny G is a jazz musician. He just says
that he does a good job connecting with his audience. Pavarotti does that,
too, but that doesn't make him jazz. If anything, Stanley Jordan is careful
to
*distinguish* what Kenny G does as something on a lower level than what
Sonny Rollins does.
"Lower" is your own bias. I think Stanley says he's not on the same
_level_.<<
This made me laugh out loud harder than anything I have ever read on RMB!
I'm keeping a copy of this one. You actually think that when Stanley Jordan
says that Sonny Rollins and Kenny G are "not on the same level" that he
means that Kenny G is on a ****HIGHER**** level than Sonny Rollins????
This officially puts you forever in my category of "ignore messages and do
not respond." I don't mind trolls and I don't mind Kenny G fans; I just
won't bother writing anymore to people who do not know how to read.
--Allen
__________________
Allen Michie
English Department
Iowa State University
(515) 294-2834
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~amichie
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Marc Sabatella
> That definition would clearly change the outcome, because you have by
design
> excluded people who would listen to Kenny G. So then the question
is - so
> what? Or you trying to say that straight-ahead fans and their
opinions are
> the only ones that matter in the wide world of jazz?
Well, it is indeed an open question whether "smooth jazz" should be
considered jazz. And by "should", I mean, whether it is valuable to
anyone to do so. I have no delusions that I should be the one to decide
that question, however. Jazz, like any form of music, has developed
quite a bit over its history, and so must its definition. In the end,
only hindsight will tell us for sure whether or not "smooth jazz" will
be considered jazz. But given the factors I have pointed to - the fact
that the vast majority of those who are familiar with the rest of the
history of jazz do not believe "smooth jazz" should be considered jazz -
then I suspect that is how history will see it.
--------------
Marc Sabatella
ma...@outsideshore.com
Check out my latest CD, "Falling Grace"
Also "A Jazz Improvisation Primer", Sounds, Scores, & More:
http://www.outsideshore.com/
Marc Sabatella
> > Hmmm. Funny, I don't remember Stanley saying anything about Kenny G
being
> a
> > legitimate part of jazz tradition. Where would you be getting your
> > information?
>
> See my reply to Allen.
Nothing you quoted had any bearing on whether Jordan feels Gorelick is
part of the jazz tradition. He just says he has some respect for his
music.
> > If you're going to use yourself as
> > an example, maybe you could point out some examples of your
familiarity
> with
> > the history of jazz,
>
> How might I do that? Would you like a list of my record collection?
> Perhaps a run down of jazz concerts that I've been to?
The would be interesting. Your choices could provide a reasonable basis
for how I could imagine defining jazz. To wit: we find the names on
your list that virtually everyone agrees is part of the tradition. Now,
poll everyone familiar with these artists, as to whether any particular
new artist should also be considered part of that tradition. This is
the best way I know to define any genre.
Mike C.
people off is a different story.
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
is on you, troll.
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
The guy who doesn't play in tune is Kenny G. I'd spell it out for you, but
his last name is already only one letter.
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Someone
probably need some professional anger-management assistance. It might be
best to avoid threads with these keywords in the headers.
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
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Someone
"Allen Michie" <sc...@IowaTelecom.net> wrote in message
> >>> Stanley Jordan likes Kenny G's music alright, but there's nothing at
all
> in what Jordan says that claims Kenny G is a jazz musician. He just says
> that he does a good job connecting with his audience. Pavarotti does
that,
> too, but that doesn't make him jazz. If anything, Stanley Jordan is
careful
> to
> *distinguish* what Kenny G does as something on a lower level than what
> Sonny Rollins does.
>
> "Lower" is your own bias. I think Stanley says he's not on the same
> _level_.<<
>
>
> This made me laugh out loud harder than anything I have ever read on RMB!
Glad to hear I could make your day.
> I'm keeping a copy of this one. You actually think that when Stanley
Jordan
> says that Sonny Rollins and Kenny G are "not on the same level" that he
> means that Kenny G is on a ****HIGHER**** level than Sonny Rollins????
You assume a hierarchy, where the upper end of the scale is "good" and the
lower end is "bad." The other possibility is a horizontal continuum, in
which no one is above or below, but side by side in one long line that
progresses from less to more technically proficient.
>
> This officially puts you forever in my category of "ignore messages and do
> not respond." I don't mind trolls and I don't mind Kenny G fans; I just
> won't bother writing anymore to people who do not know how to read.
I noticed your conveniently ignored my replies to your other points.
Obviously you chose to see only the meanings you prefer.
Someone
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
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Someone
marks around "guy," your pronoun of choice in describing this anonymous
detractor.)
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
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Adam Bravo
jazz that uses the exact same arguments the anti-smooth jazz crowd is. And
today anybody who says bop isn't jazz is certainly not in the mainstream.
"Marc Sabatella" <ma...@outsideshore.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
people off. I hadn't realized that all your posts were aimed specifically at
me. I'll try to keep that in mind, troll.
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Mike C.
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
list of my record collection?
> > Perhaps a run down of jazz concerts that I've been to?
interest in. I'll try to keep that in mind, troll.
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
said these things. My pronoun of choice was of Kenny G. *I* said that the
"guy"(Kenny G.) plays out of tune, due to poor embouchure. No intelligent
rebuttal?
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Someone
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
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> You need to read a little closer. There was no reference to a "guy" that
> said these things. My pronoun of choice was of Kenny G. *I* said that the
> "guy"(Kenny G.) plays out of tune, due to poor embouchure. No intelligent
> rebuttal?
My mistake. I see now that the "guy" you referred to was KG and that you
yourself made this accusation. I confused this with a similar post making
similar accusations from an anonymous source.
But for whoever made them, they don't amount to much, so there isn't much
rebuttal worth making.
Someone
"Allen Michie" <sc...@IowaTelecom.net> wrote in message
> >>> Stanley Jordan likes Kenny G's music alright, but there's nothing at
all
> in what Jordan says that claims Kenny G is a jazz musician. He just says
> that he does a good job connecting with his audience. Pavarotti does
that,
> too, but that doesn't make him jazz. If anything, Stanley Jordan is
careful
> to
> *distinguish* what Kenny G does as something on a lower level than what
> Sonny Rollins does.
>
> "Lower" is your own bias. I think Stanley says he's not on the same
> _level_.<<
>
>
> This made me laugh out loud harder than anything I have ever read on RMB!
> I'm keeping a copy of this one. You actually think that when Stanley
Jordan
> says that Sonny Rollins and Kenny G are "not on the same level" that he
> means that Kenny G is on a ****HIGHER**** level than Sonny Rollins????
>
> This officially puts you forever in my category of "ignore messages and do
> not respond." I don't mind trolls and I don't mind Kenny G fans; I just
> won't bother writing anymore to people who do not know how to read.
>
> --Allen
Hey, guess what, Allen? I had a few minutes to kill so I went out and found
you some "scholarly" references to smooth jazz as part of jazz history,
including timelines, a textbook and a course outline.
Enjoy.
http://www.apassion4jazz.net/page3.html
http://www.jazzsteps.com/reviews/whatisit.asp?partner=23053&sc=true
http://www.jazzsteps.com/history/hist_1970.asp
http://vig.prenhall.com/catalog/academic/product/1,4096,013021227X,00.html
http://www.jazzinamerica.org/lp_o.asp?LPOrder=7
http://www.unr.edu/content/news.asp?sto_id=174
Richard Thurston
I'm always interested in the disconnect between what people say and
what they actually do.
Richard Thurston
JC Martin
Then shut up already.
-JC
void
>
>> Put it another way: the opinions of those who have taken the time and
>> energy to learn about any given subject are much more worthy of
>> consideration than the opinions of those that haven't.
>
> You assume that "straight-ahead" fans are the only ones capable or
> interested in learning.
What is a "straight-ahead" fan? I like lots of stuff besides
straight-ahead, but that doesn't mean I have to call Kenny G's
oeuvre "jazz", and indeed I don't and I won't.
--
Ben
"An art scene of delight
I created this to be ..." -- Sun Ra
Marc Sabatella
> I suspect otherwise because of having read literature about bop not
being
> jazz that uses the exact same arguments the anti-smooth jazz crowd is.
And
> today anybody who says bop isn't jazz is certainly not in the
mainstream.
Of course, similar things have happened with virtually *every* new
development in jazz - there were those twho said swing wasn't jazz, bop
wasn't jazz, cool wasn't jazz, free improvisation wasn't jazz, fusion
wasn't jazz, etc. The difference, as I see it, is that in each of these
other cases, there was a serious case being made that it *was* jazz with
significant numbers of people on both sides of the issue, and the
resistance had pretty much died down except in isolated pockets within
ten years.
Contrast this to the situation with smooth jazz, where I can think of no
respected critic who now considers it to be jazz, and some 15 years
after kenny G first started generating this sort of controversy, it is
still virtually unanimous among those who were following jazz before
that time that his music is not jazz.
The situation may yet change, but to me, the evidence is pretty strong.
Mike C.
knowledge about, it's pretty simple to dismiss the accusations as not worth
replying to.
That's certainly a simple way to win arguments. Just pretend that your
opponents aren't worth of you. I should have thought of that years ago.
"Someone" <shri...@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
shall I paraphrase, "It is better to remain silent and thought a fool than
to speak and remove all doubt..."?
At least I can figure out what's in tune and what's not, contrary to
"Someone".
"JC Martin" <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Someone
isn't?
And so what if he's not in tune? Does it really matter to anyone but you?
Get a grip.
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Someone
"Mike C." <Funki...@MSN.com> wrote in message
> Good point, JC. The unspoken rebuttal is much louder than the spoken. Or,
> shall I paraphrase, "It is better to remain silent and thought a fool than
> to speak and remove all doubt..."?
Speaking of projection . . .
Emerenziano Paronzini
> And so what if he's not in tune? Does it really matter to anyone but you?
Right. Playing in tune, infact, is a matter of no consequence at all in music.
JC Martin
> So you claim the guy isn't in tune. What am I supposed to say? No, he
> isn't?
>
> And so what if he's not in tune? Does it really matter to anyone but you?
> Get a grip.
Get a grip yourself troll. The majority of your posts in RMB relate to
Kenny G. Most people don't care for Kenny G. here. Accept it and move on.
-JC
Rmidn...@webtv.net
you? > ......sorry but I wanted to repost this to see if it appears
on my screen to see if it is part of a silly dream or not.
Abjorn
> Someone shridurga wrote ...
> > So you claim the guy isn't in tune. What am I supposed to say? No, he
> > isn't?
> >
> > And so what if he's not in tune? Does it really matter to anyone but
you?
> > Get a grip.
>
> Get a grip yourself troll. The majority of your posts in RMB relate to
> Kenny G. Most people don't care for Kenny G. here. Accept it and move
on.
>
don't you give up?
Abjorn
Someone
"JC Martin" <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
Then maybe you can explain why more than half of the posts in the last week
have been about KG?
Someone
"Emerenziano Paronzini" <eme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"This is my instrument, and I may play as much out of tune on it as I like."
- Brahms' father, on being rebuked by a conductor for playing out of
tune.
JC Martin
I don't need to do that at all. Simply put, stop trolling for conflict.
Most people here don't like Kenny G. and don't consider his music jazz
(which is correct given that he merely plays pentatonic scales up and down).
That's not going to change just because you're here.
-JC
Rmidn...@webtv.net
as Beethoven.....so what?
Mike C.
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