Mel Torme and Astrud Gilberto album?
Tony Mountifield
with Astrud Gilberto (or vice versa), but I have been unable to find
any details online.
Does anyone here know of such an album, or have I imagined it?
Thanks,
Tony
--
Tony Mountifield
Work: to...@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk
Play: to...@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org
Dave M
> I thought I heard a while ago that Mel Torme had recorded an album
> with Astrud Gilberto (or vice versa), but I have been unable to find
> any details online.
>
> Does anyone here know of such an album, or have I imagined it?
Let's hope the latter.
<Mel>
"Won't you pour me a Cuban Breeze, baby?"
</Mel>
Gerry
> Tony Mountifield wrote:
>> I thought I heard a while ago that Mel Torme had recorded an album
>> with Astrud Gilberto (or vice versa), but I have been unable to find
>> any details online.
>>
>> Does anyone here know of such an album, or have I imagined it?
>
> Let's hope the latter.
I'm a super fan of Torm�, and take almost any opportunity to underscore
the almost wholly absent musical abilities of Asturd. To imagine two
people so divergent in ability on the same stage is hard to imagine.
--
-- At this point Sharazad saw the approach of morning and discreetly
fell silent.
TD
> On 2011-06-17 07:33:37 -0700, Dave M said:
>
> > Tony Mountifield wrote:
> >> I thought I heard a while ago that Mel Torme had recorded an album
> >> with Astrud Gilberto (or vice versa), but I have been unable to find
> >> any details online.
>
> >> Does anyone here know of such an album, or have I imagined it?
>
> > Let's hope the latter.
>
> the almost wholly absent musical abilities of Asturd. To imagine two
> people so divergent in ability on the same stage is hard to imagine.
> --
> -- At this point Sharazad saw the approach of morning and discreetly
> fell silent.
The intonation differential alone...
-TD
rhanchin
> I thought I heard a while ago that Mel Torme had recorded an album
> with Astrud Gilberto (or vice versa), but I have been unable to find
> any details online.
Don't know if it was true, but read somewhere years ago that in the
1963 Getz Gilberto session, the singer wasn't working out and somebody
lobbied for Astrud to sing the tracks. Astrud was married to Joao
Gilberto at the time and the account went on to say he was vehemently
against it, citing pitch, tonal range and overall singing ability.
Well, as the story goes. the producer pulled rank, Astrud made the
session and the rest is history.
Still, I surely can't see her hanging musically with Mel.
Russ
www.russhanchin.com
www.myspace.com/russhanchinjazzgtr
>
> Does anyone here know of such an album, or have I imagined it?
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
> --
> Tony Mountifield
> Work: t...@softins.co.uk -http://www.softins.co.uk
> Play: t...@mountifield.org -http://tony.mountifield.org
Keith Freeman
> 1963 Getz Gilberto session, the singer wasn't working out and somebody
> lobbied for Astrud to sing the tracks. Astrud was married to Joao
> Gilberto at the time and the account went on to say he was vehemently
> against it, citing pitch, tonal range and overall singing ability.
> Well, as the story goes. the producer pulled rank, Astrud made the
> session and the rest is history.
That's more or less what's reported in Ruy Castro's book Bossa Nova. Creed
Taylor wanted something sung in a 'less exotic' language ;-}
-Keith
Clips, Portable Changes, tips etc.: www.keithfreemantrio.nl
e-mail: info AT keithfreemantrio DOT nl
Gerry
>>
>> Don't know if it was true, but read somewhere years ago that in the
>> 1963 Getz Gilberto session, the singer wasn't working out and somebody
>> lobbied for Astrud to sing the tracks. Astrud was married to Joao
>> Gilberto at the time and the account went on to say he was vehemently
>> against it, citing pitch, tonal range and overall singing ability.
>> Well, as the story goes. the producer pulled rank, Astrud made the
>> session and the rest is history.
>
> That's more or less what's reported in Ruy Castro's book Bossa Nova. Creed
> Taylor wanted something sung in a 'less exotic' language ;-}
Seems reasonable, actually. And without it, I doubt it would have
become an international juggernaut, that continues to roll on to this
day.
Check out the wiki site for this one, though. I've always heard it said
that Joao was horrified when Getz asked Astrud to sing it, because she
knew English pretty well and she was cute.
The wiki version has *Joao* encouraging it. And Getz and Gilberto
eventually pairing off...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrud_Gilberto
As repeated numerous times I saw her in LA at the one of the worst
venues on the planet, House of Blues. She sang terribly, even worse
than her recordings. And claimed responsibility for the invention of
Bossa, the success of both Jobim and Gilberto, the splitting of the
atom, the discovery of the new world, etc.
pmfan57
Well her husband was the male singer on the session and no one could
possibly have sung those songs better than he did. He was the best.
Jazzer
> Well her husband was the male singer on the session and no one could
> possibly have sung those songs better than he did. He was the best.
I agree. I became a huge Joao fan after listening to those tracks.
He's not a bad guitar player either (for bossa).
Strangely, I don't mind Astrud's voice, eternally off-key etc. etc.
I find it to be a bit charming actually.
Hey if Sid Vicious can pair up with Astrud, why not Mel? :)
TD
That was the idea when it turned Getz on while they were rehearsing
and she was singing along from the kitchen.
-TD
Gerry
> On Jun 17, 4:02 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Well her husband was the male singer on the session and no one could
>> possibly have sung those songs better than he did. He was the best.
>
> I agree. I became a huge Joao fan after listening to those tracks.
> He's not a bad guitar player either (for bossa).
>
> Strangely, I don't mind Astrud's voice, eternally off-key etc. etc.
> I find it to be a bit charming actually.
I agree. But once, maybe twice--it's enough.
> Hey if Sid Vicious can pair up with Astrud, why not Mel? :)
Actually as I consider it, Mel would be just the type unafraid of such things.
Gerry
> Well her husband was the male singer on the session and no one could
> possibly have sung those songs better than he did. He was the best.
What every the sudry details of that day--Getz/Gilberto is clearly in
the top ten best jazz albums ever.
bkn...@conramp.net
>On 2011-06-17 13:20:18 -0700, Jazzer said:
>
>> On Jun 17, 4:02 pm, pmfan57 <jwrag...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well her husband was the male singer on the session and no one could
>>> possibly have sung those songs better than he did. He was the best.
>>
>> I agree. I became a huge Joao fan after listening to those tracks.
>> He's not a bad guitar player either (for bossa).
>>
>> Strangely, I don't mind Astrud's voice, eternally off-key etc. etc.
>> I find it to be a bit charming actually.
>
>I agree. But once, maybe twice--it's enough.
>
>> Hey if Sid Vicious can pair up with Astrud, why not Mel? :)
>
>Actually as I consider it, Mel would be just the type unafraid of such things.
IMO he would've gone berserk. As a studio musician in L.A. in the 60s
and 70s I worked with him several times. He wasn't easy to
please....and that's putting it mildly.
___,
\o
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/ \
.
“Someone likes every shot”
bk
Gerry
He was always trying new things--whether he was mellow or demanding about it.
van
While I could hear where she'd probably sound like shit live, I still
enjoy some of her records, regardless of pitch problems. lack of
range, etc..
When you listen to Howlin' Wolf, John Lee Hooker and other blues
singers, you don't really care about those things because of the
feeling that they communicate.
When I hear Bossa Novas like "Dindi", Gentle Rain, and especially Gil
Evan's re-working of Look To the Rainbow, I'd puke my guts out if I
heard some Barbra Streisand clone using all that corny fucking vibrato
on simple, pretty songs like that.
I'd rather hear AG sing them, pitch problems and all. It's a matter of
timbre preference. I just happen to prefer the timbre of her light,
airy voice, like I happen to prefer the timbre of a flute. Some people
think Paul Desmond's timbre on the alto was piss poor, some love it.
And even if you don't like her timbre, you could be like Frankie
Dunlap, who was asked what he loved about going on the road with her.
"The golden showers man, the golden showers!
van
>
> - Show quoted text -
Are you the trombone player?
TD
>
> - Show quoted text -
I had the honor of working with him as well. He was a perfectionist
and, in my opinion, would never pair himself with such poor pitch
(never mind all the rest of the 'untrainedness'). As for "schmaltzy",
I would not go that far, but he was from a different era and we must
not overlook that.
-TD
Gerry
> When you listen to Howlin' Wolf, John Lee Hooker and other blues
> singers, you don't really care about those things because of the
> feeling that they communicate.
That's a given. Still... She doesn't beckon that-a-way.
> When I hear Bossa Novas like "Dindi", Gentle Rain, and especially Gil
> Evan's re-working of Look To the Rainbow, I'd puke my guts out if I
> heard some Barbra Streisand clone using all that corny fucking vibrato
> on simple, pretty songs like that.
> I'd rather hear AG sing them, pitch problems and all. It's a matter of
> timbre preference. I just happen to prefer the timbre of her light,
> airy voice, like I happen to prefer the timbre of a flute. Some people
> think Paul Desmond's timbre on the alto was piss poor, some love it.
Yeah me too, depending on what time in my life I listened to him.
> And even if you don't like her timbre, you could be like Frankie
> Dunlap, who was asked what he loved about going on the road with her.
> "The golden showers man, the golden showers!
I'll make a note of that.
Greger Hoel
> I had the honor of working with him as well. He was a perfectionist
> and, in my opinion, would never pair himself with such poor pitch
> (never mind all the rest of the 'untrainedness'). As for "schmaltzy",
> I would not go that far, but he was from a different era and we must
> not overlook that.
Just don't claim he invented anything.
--
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Jonathan (Cleve)
I agree; he would have gone berserk. I played his show for a week and
he definitely wasn't easy to please. He also had great ears, and I
don't think he missed much.
bkn...@conramp.net
wrote:
Yep
___,
\o
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.
�Someone likes every shot�
bk
sgo...@changethisparttohardbat.com
to go through the years and years of training, honing one's craft to
achieve technical proficiency at an extremely demanding art form --
and then have someone with no training whatsoever just get up,
do everything technically wrong, and produce something beautiful.
Loudon Briggs
>>
>> IMO he would've gone berserk. �As a studio musician in L.A. in the 60s
>> and 70s I worked with him several times. �He wasn't easy to
>> please....and that's putting it mildly.
>>
>> � ___, �
>> � \o � �
>> � �| � �
>> � / \ �
>> � � �. �
>> Someone likes every shot
>> bk
>
>I agree; he would have gone berserk. I played his show for a week and
>he definitely wasn't easy to please. He also had great ears, and I
>don't think he missed much.
I would agree with you, Bobby. On another List, I mentioned that my
wife had known Mel from some theater group they both belonged to. In
early '43, she and I went to see him... he was playing drums with the
band Chico Marx was leading. They were at the Blackhawk in Chicago and
he seemed very nice. My wife mentioned in passing that Mel seemed a
lot less (I think the word is obstreperous) than his usual self...
probably because he was playing with some adults who would've taken
him over their knee.
In '46, he made those Musicraft recordings with Shaw and I bought 'em
immediately as Shaw was my alltime favorite band, and I really liked
Torme's group. The same friend told my wife that Torme was furious
because most people assumed he was working for Shaw but, apparently
they were both working for Musicraft and the company simply had them
record together. She mentioned she'd been told that as miserable as
Torme was, he played second fiddle to Shaw.
--
Loudon Briggs lar...@bbz.net Phoenix, Arizona, USA)
van
Yeah, that about says it all.
It's an honor Mr. Knight!
bkn...@conramp.net
wrote:
>On Jun 17, 7:52�pm, sgor...@changethisparttohardbat.com wrote:
I appreciate that, but the quote above was from sgordon.
Are you a trombonist Van?
TD
True, but I am sure you have witnessed horn players who play great
with their own band and the like, but don't make it in an ensemble.
The same can occur in duets where one, although may sound charming and
stimulate emotion from the listener, just sings out of tune where the
other sings perfectly in tune. If they sing together, it is out of
tune and also loses the charm, and whatever else. Certain things are
meant to be separated and enjoyed that way. Astrud has charm. Chet had
charm. The subject matter, I would think, is not concerned with who is
"better more trained." It addresses feasibility.
-TD
sgo...@changethisparttohardbat.com
: Certain things are meant to be separated and enjoyed that way.
: Astrud has charm. Chet had charm. The subject matter, I would
: think, is not concerned with who is "better more trained."
: It addresses feasibility.
Many of posts were clearly suggesting that such a duet wouldn't
work simply because Astrud is bad.
Truth is, there's no telling whether a particular juxtaposition would
or wouldn't work. The Archie Shepp / Neils Pedersen album for example.
People are talking about how hard Mel could be to work with, well,
the same was true for Getz. And he made some great music with Astrud.
TD
Yes. Getz played saxophone. He can pull in and pull out.( pardon the
pun, because there is a lot to that, actually) Some of us knew Mel is
all. Under the right circumstances ( if he chose to), Mel could sing
with Astrud or Mick Jagger for that matter. Mel, if he wished to,
could make anything work. Under certain other circumstances, he could
bite some ones head off. When I worked with him, Butch Miles was on
drums, as added trivia here. No one said ( did they? I missed it,
perhaps) Astrud is/was bad. Her intonation was bad. But, in my view,
instruments are easier to manipulate within 'awkward intonation'.
Voice is tougher duet-wise, is it not? In any case, I would have dug
hearing such a recording.
-TD
van
I was trying to answer two posts with one, like I'm going to do now.
I'm not a trombonist, but as a band teacher I like to think that I've
tried and failed on every instrument except guitar.
I worked a lot with a trumpet player from the West Coast back in the
70s named Al Maijorca, and used to borrow his Frank Rosolino ( I was
over Al's house the day Frank shot himself and his family) records and
I remember you were involved with all those great writers and players-
Dick Lieb, etc...
Keith Freeman
news:4dfccdf9$0$2153$742e...@news.sonic.net:
> [...]Getz. And he made some great music with Astrud.
On those recordings with him she was a perfect foil, with her little girl
voice and hesitant delivery. Unfortunately that's as far as it (she) went.
Gerry
> I was over Al's house the day Frank shot himself and his family...
Certainly in your memories it will always be the "the day Frank shot
himself and his family", but it's also good to point out that this
story has finally been corrected. Currently at wiki under "Frank
Rosolino" we have this:
"On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
2001."
The fact that a man could shoot himself and leave a gun free of
fingerprints is the shoddiest part.
TD
Gee, I never read that. I am very happy to learn that it wasn't Frank
after all. I coudn't see him ever doing anything like that in the
first place. He was always very mellow. I think one of the sons
survived. I am not certain.
-TD
Jazzer
Jazzer
> > [...]Getz. And he made some great music with Astrud.
>
> On those recordings with him she was a perfect foil, with her little girl
> voice and hesitant delivery.
That's a nice way of putting it and how I heard/hear it too.
Gerry
Perfectly valid, and certainly the way a lot of music, musicians and
film-stars become favorites. Sometimes they say "the camera loves her"
instead of "she knows how to act".
I hear the same qualities but call them amateurish and unskilled. But
hey, I'm susceptible too: For the endearing version of "little girl
voice" and "hesitant delivery" though curiously little of the latter,
this would qualify as my preference:
van
Ther are certain juxtapositions which are doomed to failure. When
Astrud made an LP with Gil Evans, I was really disappointed- it just
didn't work, except for that aforementioned tune where it's just a
quartet backing her.
The Stanley Turrentine things worked out much better than that.
But yes, Mel and Astrud would be a marriage made in hell.
While we're on the subject of Mel; does anyone remember him singing a
rock song from the 60s called "Wind" on a TV show called "Run For Your
Life" with Ben Gazzara?
When I saw Jack Wilkins and Bucky Pizzarelli at Bella Luna, there was
a friend of Jack's at the bar who swore he witnessed that event back
in the 60s.
Mel did write and star in one of the episodes, where he plays an
obnoxious singer (no comment), but a RFYL expert who saw that episode
said he just sang standards on that episode.
Maybe another show?
TD
Another bride, another June
another sunny honeymoon...
bkn...@conramp.net
>On 2011-06-18 09:32:37 -0700, van said:
>
>> I was over Al's house the day Frank shot himself and his family...
>
>Certainly in your memories it will always be the "the day Frank shot
>himself and his family", but it's also good to point out that this
>story has finally been corrected. Currently at wiki under "Frank
>Rosolino" we have this:
>
>"On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
>he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
>grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
>and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
>inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
>confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
>2001."
>
Do you have a site for this story?
That is something that I never heard, and I knew Frank pretty well. In
fact an interview by Armesto says exactly the opposite.
http://www.dianearmesto.com/interview20031230.shtml
Gerry
>> "On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
>> he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
>> grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
>> and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
>> inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
>> confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
>> 2001."
>>
> Do you have a site for this story?
As above: "Currently at wiki under "Frank Rosolino":
you can google: frank rosolino wiki
Gerry
>> "On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
>> he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
>> grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
>> and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
>> inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
>> confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
>> 2001."
>
> Gee, I never read that. I am very happy to learn that it wasn't Frank
> after all. I coudn't see him ever doing anything like that in the
> first place. He was always very mellow. I think one of the sons
> survived. I am not certain.
Careful reading above indicates that Justin and Jason were shot with
Frank, and that it was to Parris Rosolino that Armesto confessed her
crime. I find elsewhere that one of the sons was blinded and
brain-damaged while the other died. Leaving two sons, I believe.
bkn...@conramp.net
>On 2011-06-18 14:22:35 -0700, bkn...@conramp.net said:
>
>>> "On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
>>> he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
>>> grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
>>> and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
>>> inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
>>> confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
>>> 2001."
>>>
>> Do you have a site for this story?
>
>As above: "Currently at wiki under "Frank Rosolino":
>
>you can google: frank rosolino wiki
I did. At the top it says:
"This article does not cite any references or sources.
Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable
sources".
I can't find any source that says Armesto was ever indicted either.
Maybe I just don't want to believe it...but I'm not convinced.
van
> bk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's gotta be true if it's on Wikipedia ; - )
Then again, she did that interview in 2008; maybe she's working on her
new CD in prison...
Bobby, just out of curiosity, did you ever hear of a jazz pianist in
N. Hollywood named Bob Harris?
He was the son of Maurice Harris (trumpet player in the Tonight Show
band) and brother-in-law of Chuck Findley.
He played with Frank Zappa and Gabor Szabo, but never recorded any
jazz things, probably because of his drug problems.
What was his rep?
TIA
TD
> >On 2011-06-18 14:22:35 -0700, bkni...@conramp.net said:
>
> >>> "On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
> >>> he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
> >>> grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
> >>> and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
> >>> inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
> >>> confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
> >>> 2001."
>
> >> Do you have a site for this story?
>
> >As above: "Currently at wiki under "Frank Rosolino":
>
> >you can google: frank rosolino wiki
>
> I did. At the top it says:
> "This article does not cite any references or sources.
> Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable
> sources".
>
> I can't find any source that says Armesto was ever indicted either.
> Maybe I just don't want to believe it...but I'm not convinced.
>
> ___,
> \o
> |
> / \
> .
> bk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not convinced here either. I had heard that one son survived the
gunshot, but was left messed up. Rumor had it that Frank dropped a
bunch of acid.
-TD
Gerry
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:42:24 -0700, Gerry <add...@domain.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2011-06-18 14:22:35 -0700, bkn...@conramp.net said:
>>
>>>> "On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
>>>> he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
>>>> grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
>>>> and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
>>>> inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
>>>> confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
>>>> 2001."
>>>>
>>> Do you have a site for this story?
>>
>> As above: "Currently at wiki under "Frank Rosolino":
>>
>> you can google: frank rosolino wiki
>
> I did. At the top it says:
> "This article does not cite any references or sources.
> Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable
> sources".
With or without citations we pick what we want to believe in all
aspects of life. You asked for the site, I provided it.
> I can't find any source that says Armesto was ever indicted either.
> Maybe I just don't want to believe it...but I'm not convinced.
You want to believe instead that he shot his children and himself? Me,
I'm eager to accept the confession purportedly relayed to Parris.
TD
> On 2011-06-18 15:03:48 -0700, bkni...@conramp.net said:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:42:24 -0700, Gerry <addr...@domain.com> wrote:
>
> >> On 2011-06-18 14:22:35 -0700, bkni...@conramp.net said:
>
> >>>> "On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
> >>>> he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
> >>>> grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
> >>>> and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
> >>>> inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
> >>>> confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
> >>>> 2001."
>
> >>> Do you have a site for this story?
>
> >> As above: "Currently at wiki under "Frank Rosolino":
>
> >> you can google: frank rosolino wiki
>
> > I did. At the top it says:
> > "This article does not cite any references or sources.
> > Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable
> > sources".
>
> With or without citations we pick what we want to believe in all
> aspects of life. You asked for the site, I provided it.
>
> > I can't find any source that says Armesto was ever indicted either.
> > Maybe I just don't want to believe it...but I'm not convinced.
>
> You want to believe instead that he shot his children and himself? Me,
> I'm eager to accept the confession purportedly relayed to Parris.
> --
> -- At this point Sharazad saw the approach of morning and discreetly
>
> - Show quoted text -
He may just prefer the truth. This is a trombone forum and I know some
of these guys. It ain't jive.
http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=43469.0
bkn...@conramp.net
wrote:
>On Jun 18, 5:22�pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>> Do you have a site for this story?
>> That is something that I never heard, and I knew Frank pretty well. In
>> fact an interview by Armesto says exactly the opposite. �
>>
>> http://www.dianearmesto.com/interview20031230.shtml
>> bk--
>
>It's gotta be true if it's on Wikipedia ; - )
>Then again, she did that interview in 2008; maybe she's working on her
>new CD in prison...
If she was ever tried...!
>Bobby, just out of curiosity, did you ever hear of a jazz pianist in
>N. Hollywood named Bob Harris?
>He was the son of Maurice Harris (trumpet player in the Tonight Show
>band) and brother-in-law of Chuck Findley.
Sure, but I knew Maury and Chuck much better. Maury was an excellent
studio player as was Chuck, who's jazz is storied. Incidentally,
Chuck also played trombone. I used him with the GATC a few times.
What a talent.
>He played with Frank Zappa and Gabor Szabo, but never recorded any
>jazz things, probably because of his drug problems.
>What was his rep?
Like I said, I didn't know him well, but he was busy.
>TIA
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bkn...@conramp.net
>On 2011-06-18 15:03:48 -0700, bkn...@conramp.net said:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:42:24 -0700, Gerry <add...@domain.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2011-06-18 14:22:35 -0700, bkn...@conramp.net said:
>>>
>>>>> "On November 24, 1978, Frank Rosolino was shot by Diane Armesto after
>>>>> he turned the gun on her and told her to get out of his house and she
>>>>> grabbed it and shot him. Then she walked down the hall and shot Justin
>>>>> and Jason in the head. The police confirmed in 2010 that the gun they
>>>>> inspected the night of the shooting had no fingerprints on it and Diane
>>>>> confessed to shooting Frank and Justin and Jason to Parris Rosolino in
>>>>> 2001."
>>>>>
>>>> Do you have a site for this story?
>>>
>>> As above: "Currently at wiki under "Frank Rosolino":
>>>
>>> you can google: frank rosolino wiki
>>
>> I did. At the top it says:
>> "This article does not cite any references or sources.
>> Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable
>> sources".
>
>With or without citations we pick what we want to believe in all
>aspects of life.
Of course.
>You asked for the site, I provided it.
I certainly wasn't calling you wrong, I saw the site.
>
>> I can't find any source that says Armesto was ever indicted either.
>> Maybe I just don't want to believe it...but I'm not convinced.
>
>You want to believe instead that he shot his children and himself? Me,
>I'm eager to accept the confession purportedly relayed to Parris.
Most of his friends have found closure. Bringing this up only reminds
me of the horror, no matter who was at fault.
Gerry
>>> I can't find any source that says Armesto was ever indicted either.
>>> Maybe I just don't want to believe it...but I'm not convinced.
>>
>> You want to believe instead that he shot his children and himself? Me,
>> I'm eager to accept the confession purportedly relayed to Parris.
>
> Most of his friends have found closure. Bringing this up only reminds
> me of the horror, no matter who was at fault.
Agreed: It's just so fucking creepy. I'm glad most have found closure.
The thing I hate about all this is that somebody is discovering
Rosolino even as we speak, just I did 5-6 years via Ed Bickert on the
"Thinking About You" album. That's one of a handful of albums in a list
I call, "How a guitar comps with a brilliant soloist." Then later on
you get this horrifying post script.
Unfortunately, legally or otherwise, the case remains open.
bkn...@conramp.net
wrote:
Frank never was very busy in the studios. He had a propensity of
being unaware of the time. We were recording the sound track for
"Lady Sings the Blues" and Frank was a half hour late. That just
doesn't go in the studios.
If it hadn't been for Michel LeGrand, the contractor (Marty Berman)
would've called someone else to come in and canned Frank. As it was
Berman never called him unless he was specifically requested. That
was the situation with a lot of contractors. A bummer, but that
reputation was pretty well known.
pmfan57
He was funny in that Seinfeld episode. His son used to write for Star
Trek the Next Generation.
TD
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:48:43 -0700 (PDT), TD <tonydecap...@gmail.com>
Noto. I witnessed them also getting fired. It was that old bebop
head.
van
Bob Harris did a lot of studio work?
He married the singer/songwriter Judee Sill and did the beautiful
arrangements on that great first LP of hers, although Don Bagley was
also listed as orchestrator.
Chuck is one of my favorite trumpet players, and probably one of the
best jazz trumpet players on the planet. That record he made with the
Metropole Orchestra is perfection- great charts, great playing.
Maury's two daughters both married brass players- Chuck, and the other
one married trombone player Slyde Hyde.
bkn...@conramp.net
wrote:
I'm not sure about that...Maury was who I knew doing studio stuff.
>He married the singer/songwriter Judee Sill and did the beautiful
>arrangements on that great first LP of hers, although Don Bagley was
>also listed as orchestrator.
>Chuck is one of my favorite trumpet players, and probably one of the
>best jazz trumpet players on the planet. That record he made with the
>Metropole Orchestra is perfection- great charts, great playing.
>Maury's two daughters both married brass players- Chuck, and the other
>one married trombone player Slyde Hyde.
Chuck was a good friend too...played with the GATC. Dick Hyde was on
the Kenton band during my second year. Good guy.
Tony Mountifield
> > On Jun 17, 3:57�am, t...@mountifield.org (Tony Mountifield) wrote:
> >
> > > I thought I heard a while ago that Mel Torme had recorded an album
> > > with Astrud Gilberto (or vice versa), but I have been unable to find
> > > any details online.
> >
> > Don't know if it was true, but read somewhere years ago that in the
> > 1963 Getz Gilberto session, the singer wasn't working out and somebody
> > lobbied for Astrud to sing the tracks. �Astrud was married to Joao
> > Gilberto at the time and the account went on to say he was vehemently
> > against it, citing pitch, tonal range and overall singing ability.
> > Well, as the story goes. the producer pulled rank, Astrud made the
> > session and the rest is history.
> >
> > Still, I surely can't see her hanging musically with Mel.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> > > Does anyone here know of such an album, or have I imagined it?
Wow, I come back from vacation and see a whole thread waiting :-)
But it looks like I must have imagined the Mel/Astrud thing...
Thanks all!
Tony
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