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Alan David Mills

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Oct 10, 2002, 2:34:49 PM10/10/02
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In Britain, Humphrey Lyttelton has a weekly radio programme: "The Best
of Jazz". It was trailed recently by an announcer who described the
content as "smooth jazz". Rightly incensed by this slander, Humph
invited listeners to suggest examples of "rough jazz" for him to play.
I suggested, and he played "Hog Calling Blues" by Mingus.

What would your ideas be?

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Alan Mills (in Devon, England)

Carnak

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Oct 10, 2002, 2:59:34 PM10/10/02
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opening track of Jackie Mac Attack, Cyclical; whew, what
a solo....

btw Jacknife just came out; some hip slick stuff
w/Tolliver & DeJohnette....

Carnak.

Robert McKay

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Oct 10, 2002, 9:21:44 PM10/10/02
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>Subject: bye bye smooth jazz, hello rough jazz
>From: Alan David Mills a.m...@zetnet.co.uk
>Date: 10/10/02 12:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time

>What would your ideas be?

"Jeep's Blues" - Duke Ellington
"Sing Sing Sing (With a Swing)" - Benny Goodman
"Lazy River" - Louis Armstrong
"Brilliant Corners" - Thelonius Monk
"East St. Louis Toodle-oo" - Duke Ellington

Robert McKay
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Simon Weil

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Oct 10, 2002, 9:28:11 PM10/10/02
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An awful lot of late Billie Holiday is rough, not in the way of, say,
_Ascension_ but quietly, disturbingly. This comes to mind because JazzFM used
to play a late recording by her of _I get a kick out of you_ (is that the
title?) which has the sentiment that she gets no kick from champagne etc..And,
of course she was doing herself in with drugs at the time, and her voice was
full of the pain. But, evidently, the producers on JazzFM didn't notice. It was
presented as chill-out.

_Strange Fruit_ is as disturbing as it gets in Jazz, so that would be my
choice.

Simon Weil

Christopher Wigdor

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Oct 11, 2002, 2:29:09 AM10/11/02
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Ask Humph if he is familiar with Duke's alternative version of "Don't Get
Around Much Any More"?

It is very rough, it's called "Don't Brush My Teeth Much Any More", and the
first verse is as follows:

"Missed the toilet last night
"Pee'd all over the floor
"Cleaned it up with my toothbrush
"Don't brush my teeth much any more".

Christopher W.

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Peter

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Oct 11, 2002, 1:22:53 PM10/11/02
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Not sure Humph would play it, but I'd go for some lester Bowie - maybe the
Great Pretender? and some Carla Bley and then some Evan Parker to blow
everyone's mind!


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Frank D

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Oct 11, 2002, 4:00:43 PM10/11/02
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Bitches Brew - Miles Davis

User275575

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Oct 11, 2002, 5:39:15 PM10/11/02
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JATP-THE BLUES PART 2-Illinois jacquet

Guy Berger

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Oct 11, 2002, 5:45:00 PM10/11/02
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Peter wrote:
> Not sure Humph would play it, but I'd go for some lester Bowie - maybe the
> Great Pretender? and some Carla Bley and then some Evan Parker to blow
> everyone's mind!

How about Art Blakey's "Free for All"?

Guy

Dan Given

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Oct 12, 2002, 1:03:24 AM10/12/02
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Machine Gun by Peter Brotzmann, maybe some Albert Ayler, a bit of Arthur
Doyle...


Christopher Wigdor

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Oct 12, 2002, 1:33:07 AM10/12/02
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Perhaps my sensible suggestion should be Trichotism by Oscar Pettiford,
definitely non-smooth, but very clever and very elegant; and if Humph ever
played the melody himself, he'll know how difficult it is.

Christopher W.


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Alan David Mills

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Oct 12, 2002, 6:22:44 AM10/12/02
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from "Peter" <peterslavi...@hotmail.com> contains these words:

> Not sure Humph would play it, but I'd go for some lester Bowie - maybe the
> Great Pretender? and some Carla Bley and then some Evan Parker to blow
> everyone's mind!

He has played tracks by Lester Bowie and he certainly likes to play
Carla Bley - especially if she features Gary Valente and his fog-horn
trombone e.g. "The Lord is Listenin' To Ya, Hallelujah!"
--
Alan Mills (In Devon, England)

Michael Kelly

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Oct 12, 2002, 12:11:21 PM10/12/02
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On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 05:33:07 +0000 (UTC), "Christopher Wigdor"
<maxim....@btinternet.com> wrote:

>> In Britain, Humphrey Lyttelton has a weekly radio programme: "The Best
>> of Jazz". It was trailed recently by an announcer who described the
>> content as "smooth jazz". Rightly incensed by this slander, Humph
>> invited listeners to suggest examples of "rough jazz" for him to play.
>> I suggested, and he played "Hog Calling Blues" by Mingus.
>>
>> What would your ideas be?

Antithesis to "easy listening", which is pretty much what "smooth
jazz" is, should be something that requires effort to listen to. So,
how about anything by Pharoah Sanders or Archie Shepp??

I can just see the adherents of Muzak listening to Karma all
the way through! Right! :)

--

"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."

-- Groucho Marx

THECOTTONFAMILY

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Oct 17, 2002, 6:34:35 PM10/17/02
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Another Mingus. From 1974.
The Devil's Blues, vocal by George Adams.
Not only rough, but "Gritty", too.
T.C.

Frisbie Einstein

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Oct 18, 2002, 11:49:23 AM10/18/02
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John Coltrane's "Om"

wally brooker

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Tiger Rag - The Original Dixieland Jazz Band

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