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Douglas W. Martin

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Oct 29, 1990, 4:53:24 PM10/29/90
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Is there such a thing as oboe jazz? Most wood wind
instruments used in classical music have also been used to play
jazz, swing, etc. If clarinets et al can play any type of
music, why not the oboe? Is anyone aware of any recordings
of an oboe playing other than classical music?
Please send me email, as I generally cannot read this
newsgroup.
Thanks,
Doug Martin
mar...@nosc.mil

Katherine Casey

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Oct 30, 1990, 11:13:07 AM10/30/90
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In article <30...@nosc.NOSC.MIL> mar...@nosc.NOSC.MIL (Douglas W. Martin) writes:
> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz?

Yes, oboe jazz does exist. Try some Yusef Lateef, maybe some David
Amram, a David Liebman album (oboe with soprano melodies on some
Coltrane tunes.) Maybe... we are not really sure.

The David Liebman album is called "Homage to John Coltrane"

That's all.
Katherine
ca...@chsun1.uchicago.edu

William Fornaciari

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Oct 31, 1990, 12:17:26 PM10/31/90
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I have gone to the (san fernando) Valley Dixieland Jazz Club and heard someone
play an oboe while others were playing jazz. He was not a virtuoso, but not
a beginner either. The problem with double reed jazz is that the ttimbre s
very pure -- not much to do in the way of coloring its sound. It was not pretty

On the other hand, I recall Yusef Lateef using oboes 'way back...

Mike Hoegeman

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Oct 31, 1990, 1:02:30 PM10/31/90
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In article <1990Oct30.1...@midway.uchicago.edu> ca...@chsun1.uchicago.edu (Katherine Casey) writes:
>In article <30...@nosc.NOSC.MIL> mar...@nosc.NOSC.MIL (Douglas W. Martin) writes:
>> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz?
>
>Yes, oboe jazz does exist. Try some Yusef Lateef, maybe some David
>Amram, a David Liebman album (oboe with soprano melodies on some
>Coltrane tunes.) Maybe... we are not really sure.
>
>The David Liebman album is called "Homage to John Coltrane"

Well you may not call this 'jazz' but most of the albums by the group
oregon have lots of oboe in them. Paul McCandless (sp?) is the reed
man.

Trevor Green

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Oct 31, 1990, 2:21:47 PM10/31/90
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In article <30...@nosc.NOSC.MIL> mar...@nosc.NOSC.MIL (Douglas W. Martin) writes:
>
> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz? Most wood wind
>instruments used in classical music have also been used to play
>jazz, swing, etc.

Is there any bassoon jazz out there? How 'bout piccolo jazz? Or
maybe english horn jazz?

> If clarinets et al can play any type of
>music, why not the oboe? Is anyone aware of any recordings
>of an oboe playing other than classical music?

Well, I've heard a P.D.Q. Bach sonata for double-reed...but I don't
think that counts.

Trevor Green
What I'd really like to hear is Basin Street Blues on sousaphone and timpani...

Michael A. Dritschel

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Oct 31, 1990, 8:12:35 AM10/31/90
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In article <30...@nosc.NOSC.MIL> mar...@nosc.NOSC.MIL (Douglas W. Martin)
writes:
> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz?

Besides those listed in other postings, I would recommend oboist Karen
Borca. I am most familiar with her appearance on the Jimmy Lyons
album "Weesneezawee" (Black Saint/Soul Note). Perhaps someone else
could give a more complete listing of recordings she is on.

Michael Dritschel m...@math.purdue.edu

Jim Scandale

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Nov 1, 1990, 9:15:40 AM11/1/90
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In article <1990Oct30.1...@midway.uchicago.edu> ca...@chsun1.uchicago.edu (Katherine Casey) writes:
>In article <30...@nosc.NOSC.MIL> mar...@nosc.NOSC.MIL (Douglas W. Martin) writes:
>> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz?
>
>Yes, oboe jazz does exist. Try some Yusef Lateef, maybe some David
>Amram, a David Liebman album (oboe with soprano melodies on some
>Coltrane tunes.) Maybe... we are not really sure.
>
>The David Liebman album is called "Homage to John Coltrane"
>

Yes, again. Early (50s and 60s) Chico Hamilton Quintet featured
an oboe player. I have a pair of albums at home but I forget the
oboeist's name. The LPs may be Columbia but, again, I'm not sure.
Email if you want more details.

Bill Crane

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Nov 1, 1990, 10:14:54 PM11/1/90
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In article <30...@nosc.NOSC.MIL> mar...@nosc.NOSC.MIL
(Douglas W. Martin) writes:
> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz?
>
>Doug Martin
>mar...@nosc.mil

If I recall correctly from my record selling days, there is a jazz
group called Oregon which employs an oboe. Much more about this I
cannot say.

--
Bill Crane ...!gatech!daysinns!bill
Days Inns of America Inc., Atlanta GA

Paul Richardson

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Nov 1, 1990, 11:05:24 AM11/1/90
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In article <1990Oct31.1...@watcsc.waterloo.edu> de...@watcsc.waterloo.edu (Trevor Green) writes:
>In article <30...@nosc.NOSC.MIL> mar...@nosc.NOSC.MIL (Douglas W. Martin) writes:
>
>Is there any bassoon jazz out there? How 'bout piccolo jazz? Or
>maybe english horn jazz?

Try Jane Grice,she plays Brazillian style music on the Basson.Pretty
interesting stuff.

--
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Homey the clown: "Yeah,that's why homey don't play that"
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ir708

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Nov 1, 1990, 9:25:46 AM11/1/90
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>In article <30...@nosc.NOSC.MIL> mar...@nosc.NOSC.MIL (Douglas W. Martin) writes:
>Is there any bassoon jazz out there? How 'bout piccolo jazz?

Last year one of our graduate students played bassoon in the
jazz ensemble. That was the only time I've seen a bassoon play jazz.

Hubert Laws played piccolo in "Airegin" (5:29) on the CTI CTX3+3
record "In the Beginning."

Sue

Marc Sabatella

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Nov 2, 1990, 11:43:43 AM11/2/90
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>Is there any bassoon jazz out there? How 'bout piccolo jazz? Or
>maybe english horn jazz?

The bass player in one of Dave Brubeck's old (1940's?) groups used to double on
bassoon. Used it pretty much like arco bass. And of course various "non-jazz"
instruments have been used in jazz settings by Gil Evans & others, although
"solos" are rarely involved.

Damballah Wedo

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Nov 2, 1990, 10:13:24 AM11/2/90
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> Douglas W. Martin:

> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz? Most wood wind
> instruments used in classical music have also been used to play
> jazz, swing, etc. If clarinets et al can play any type of
> music, why not the oboe? Is anyone aware of any recordings
> of an oboe playing other than classical music?

Yusef Lateef demonstrated conclusively that the oboe can be an effective
jazz instrument, and a great vehicle for the blues. He plays multiple
instruments (tenor, flute, and miscellaneous "exotic" instruments, including
a lovely-sounding Chinese bamboo flute with a five-note range called the
PLum Blossom, the north African musette, the Moroccan oud, etc, etc),
and none of his albums specifically focuses on the oboe. See the great
series of albums he did for Impulse. My favorite is A FLAT, G FLAT AND C,
which focuses on the blues, but some other classics are LIVE AT PEPS,
CLUB DATE and 1984, as well as THE GOLDEN FLUTE (which is mostly flute,
as its name indicates). JAZZ 'ROUND THE WORLD is also a great album.

Before going to Impulse, Lateef recorded for Prestige. See BLUES FOR THE ORIENT,
a twofer that includes his classic album EASTERN SOUNDS, where he for the
first time confronted his "exotic" interests (he'd been pulling Cannonball
Adderley's band into that direction for some time -- see his "Brother John"
oboe solo among others). Also for Prestige is INTO SOMETHING, which has
a great oboe blues in "Rasheed". Previously, he had done THIS IS YUSEF
LATEEF for Riverside, with Ron Carter. He was also recording as a sideman
for Blue Note (see Grant Green's GRANTSTAND, which has some superb Lateef
tenor work) and of course for Mingus (see PRE-BIRD MINGUS and his classic
playing on "Prayer for Passive Resistance").

Lateef recorded extensively for Atlantic in the late 60s and early 70s.
He did a LOT of different things for them, including some big band
things, and lots of for-strings arrangements, usually by cellist Kermit
Moore. I've tended to stay away from these. In general, the Atlantics are
quite good, but not very differentiated (this may be because I've stuck
to the small-group ones -- caveat emptor). The one I like best is THE BLUE
YUSEF LATEEF, with Blue Mitchell and others, which explores the blues
as feeling and sound rather than as form. As such, Lateef parades
various tunes from all around the world, that are based on blues feeling,
from a Southern USA spiritual to a Filipino Tagalog chant. Fascinating.
Other albums include THE COMPLETE YUSEF LATEEF, THE DIVERSE YUSEF LATEEF,
and HUSH'N'THUNDER. There are many others, including one double live
that is supposed to be great, but which I have never found in good condition,
and which Atlantic, curse them, refuses to reissue. I will always curse
myself for not going to see him when he was at the Village Vanguard during
the fall of 1975. I was a know-nothing rock fan then, who had heard the name
but was not swayed by the descriptive words used by the Village Voice. I
heard the music for the first time some eight months later, and have
regretted ever since, as he's never been back...

Hope this helps.
--
Marcel-Franck Simon min...@attunix.ATT.COM, attunix!mingus

" Papa Loko, ou se' van, ou-a pouse'-n ale'
Nou se' papiyon, n'a pote' nouvel bay Agwe' "

Don Steiny

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Nov 6, 1990, 7:48:17 PM11/6/90
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/ hpcupt1:rec.music.bluenote / min...@cbnewsl.att.com (Damballah Wedo) / 6:28 am Nov 6, 1990 /

Yosef Latif did "Love Theme From Spartacus" on oboe. I heard
it in the early 70's and it was one of the most beautiful things I have
heard. I have been looking for it in used record stores for years.
Perhaps it will be rereleased on CD sometime.

Don Steiny

Bob Montgomery

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Nov 10, 1990, 2:02:01 AM11/10/90
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A little more drift...
> Yes, there is jazz bagpipe!!! I used to have an album with Herbie Mann
> featuring Rufus Harley on bagpipe. Unfortunately I don't have this
> album anymore. It was good for a good chuckle now and then.

Wow, you'll buy anything :-)

By the way, it's "The Wailing Dervishes" by Herbie Mann, recorded live
at the Village Theater. (Atlantic 1497, (c) 1967). It also has
oud, doumbek, and zither. I used to live for hunting in the cutout
jazz bins; my copy has a hole in the jacket.

Bob Montgomery

David N. Blank

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Nov 13, 1990, 1:43:08 AM11/13/90
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Howdy-

> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz? Most wood wind instruments
> used in classical music have also been used to play jazz, swing, etc.
> If clarinets et al can play any type of music, why not the oboe? Is
> anyone aware of any recordings of an oboe playing other than classical
> music?

Sorry for the delay on responding, but I wanted to have album in
hand (for reasons that will be made clear in a second). If you are
bored, you can try to track down an album on CBS records (FM 39705)
called "Blue Rondo" by Fumiaki Miyamoto and Norio Maeda. It's a
mostly standards album with a jazz quartet whose lead instrument is an
oboe. I got the album from a radio station which was selling promos,
so I don't know about its availability. Lots of luck.
Peace,
dNb

resm...@spacm1.spac.spc.com

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Nov 15, 1990, 6:28:51 AM11/15/90
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In article <DNB.90No...@meshugge.media.mit.edu>, d...@meshugge.media.mit.edu (David N. Blank) writes:
> Howdy-
>
>> Is there such a thing as oboe jazz? Most wood wind instruments
>> used in classical music have also been used to play jazz, swing, etc.
>> If clarinets et al can play any type of music, why not the oboe? Is
>> anyone aware of any recordings of an oboe playing other than classical
>> music?
>
Let me just use this as an opportunity to plug the music of Oregon, an
eclectic group whose wind player, Paul McCandless, often plays the oboe.
They originally recorded on Vanguard, but have lately hopped around from
one label to another.
--
Bill Robertson "Lots of people can sing louder and longer than Elvis, too,
but who cares?"
Eval Knievel
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