chick corea's real name
Thelonious
anyone know chick's real name?
how did he get the name "chick"?
sorry if this is too trivial a question... i was just wondering.
thanks
Ira Chineson
: anyone know chick's real name?
: how did he get the name "chick"?
: sorry if this is too trivial a question... i was just wondering.
Every reference book I have lists his name as Armando Anthony Corea.
There's no word as to when and where he became Chick but my guess is that
it was to differentiate himself from all the other Armando Anthony
Corea's on the scene.
Elliot E. Kallen
anybody's guess...
-Elliot
Gregory Scott Smith
: anyone know chick's real name?
: how did he get the name "chick"?
: sorry if this is too trivial a question... i was just wondering.
: thanks
Does anyone have a mailing address?
The recent re-released CD's don't have any liner notes with a way to reach
him.
Scott
Kieran Milne
>>In a previous article, g...@starbase.neosoft.com (Gregory Scott Smith) says:
>Thelonious (cs9e...@po.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>
>: anyone know chick's real name?
>: how did he get the name "chick"?
>: sorry if this is too trivial a question... i was just wondering.
>
I used to have an article of some sort around but I can't seem to
find it. However, as I recall, his name was something like Anthony
Armando Corea. The article went on to explain 'chick' but, as I said,
I can't find it.
>Does anyone have a mailing address?
I don't know of this is still valid (maybe someone with Paint the
Mask can confirm), but the old Elektric/Akoustic address was PO Box 39581;
Los Angeles, CA; 90039.
Hope this helps!
Kieran Milne
Orleans (Ottawa), Canada
Donald C. Currie
I heard that a school teacher called him this and it just sorta stuck...
I think I read it in article somewhere (Jazziz?)...
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Daniel Vidal
: : anyone know chick's real name?
: : how did he get the name "chick"?
: : sorry if this is too trivial a question... i was just wondering.
His name is Armando Corea, son of Spanish immigrants.
Brad Waugh
> >Does anyone have a mailing address?
> I don't know of this is still valid (maybe someone with Paint the
>Mask can confirm), but the old Elektric/Akoustic address was PO Box 39581;
>Los Angeles, CA; 90039.
Yep, same address. I just wrote to them and heard back last week.
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Thomas Ford Brown
He's of Italian ancestry, not Spanish.
Thomas Ford Brown
In article <39cm9d$cbc@status> dvi...@iconz.co.nz (Daniel Vidal) writes:
>: >
>: >His name is Armando Corea, son of Spanish immigrants.
>
>: He's of Italian ancestry, not Spanish.
>
>Spanish Heart".
Cause he likes Spanish music, maybe? I don't know why, but he is Italian.
I'll give you his phone number if you like, and you can ask him yourself.
Daniel Vidal
Interesting to know!! - Now I wonder why he called one of his albums "My
Spanish Heart".
Glyphix
Connecticut. Does anyone know whether his name was also Armando? If so
that would explain Chick's nickname which could have stuck to
differentiate him from his father. Also "Chick" is a diminuative name
suggesting a younger or junior version.
Glasgow Ranger
Mass...and WAS born of Spanish immigrants..not italian as mentioned.
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Thomas Ford Brown
In article <kirk.78...@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> ki...@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Glasgow Ranger) writes:
>CHick Corea's real name is Armando Charles Corea...he was born in Chelsea,
>Mass...and WAS born of Spanish immigrants..not italian as mentioned.
I've never met Chick myself. But I do know John Patitucci and Scott
Henderson, both of whom have played in Chick's band(s). Patitucci
claims Chick is Italian. I also recall Chick himself discussing how
people mistake him for spanish in an old keyboard magazine interview
probably from the early 80s. So it would be interesting to know where you
got your information from, because there seems to be a lot of
confusion about this not so important issue.
Mark Andersen
>: > Thelonious (cs9e...@po.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>: >
>: >: : anyone know chick's real name?
>: >
>: He's of Italian ancestry, not Spanish.
>Interesting to know!! - Now I wonder why he called one of his albums "My
>Spanish Heart".
Hold on, here! I've known lots of "Armando"s, and lots of
Italians, but NO Italian "Armando"s.
Are you sure??
"Armando", like "Manuel" and "Jose", are, AFAIK, canonical
Hispanic given names.
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Joe Acosta
him "cheeky" because of his big cheeks as a child. Somehow this
became chick.
Kevin Spencer
>In article <manderse.1...@nmsu.edu>, mand...@nmsu.edu (Mark
>Andersen) wrote:
>> dvi...@iconz.co.nz (Daniel Vidal) writes:
>> >Thomas Ford Brown (tomb...@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:
>> >: dvi...@iconz.co.nz (Daniel Vidal) writes:
>> >: > Thelonious (cs9e...@po.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
>> >: >
>> >: >: : anyone know chick's real name?
>> >: >
>> >: >His name is Armando Corea, son of Spanish immigrants.
>> >: He's of Italian ancestry, not Spanish.
>> >Interesting to know!! - Now I wonder why he called one of his albums "My
>> >Spanish Heart".
>>
>> Hold on, here! I've known lots of "Armando"s, and lots of
>> Italians, but NO Italian "Armando"s.
>>
>> Are you sure??
>>
>> "Armando", like "Manuel" and "Jose", are, AFAIK, canonical
>> Hispanic given names.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Mark A.
> That remark seems very tainted with racism, whether you meant for it to
>or not. That's like saying only black people can be named Leroy or that
>only white people can be named Felix. Very racist, indeed. A name is a
>name...its ethnic derivation is irrevlevent and to make it a racial issue
>is absurd.
Whoa there! I don't think that Mark's comment is at all racist, and I
am really tired of knee-jerk PC reactions like this. The debate here is
about Chick Corea's ethnic origins, whether he comes from an Italian
background or a Spanish one. Mark A. indicated that from his experience,
"Armando" is not a name used by Italians (-Americans, I presume). Rather,
in his experience, it is a Hispanic name. From his viewpoint, that makes
it highly probable that Armando Corea is from a Spanish background. How
is this racist? It's just making a tentative conclusion based on
statistics, something that we all do every day. He may very well be
wrong, but I don't think his statement was at all racist.
Kevin
Dana Hall
Spencer) wrote:
First of all, who the hell are you to tell me anything about my
perceptions of someone elses comments? If anyone around here is "jerking"
anything, knee or otherwise, it's you. There's nothing PC about what I've
said, and it was not some damn knee-jerk reaction. Secondly, my reaction,
the kind you are so tired of, was rationally derived from the above
statement: how does one deduce, as I interpret from above, that if a
person is named Guido, he can't be anything but Italian, and CERTAINLY he
can't be Armenian or Peruvian, black, or anything else?
Here's a scenario: ( may the politically correct light their
torches)...Guido Pitziatti is a very light complected guitar player. His
features are rather Meditteranian in complexion (olive/brownish tone),
with short cropped curly hair, clean shaven, and a thick mustache. Here on
the net, someone questions his ethnic origin.
The folks here recall that he puts out an album a few years back called
_Afrocentric_, covering Joe Henderson's tunes "Afrocentric" and "Black
Narcissus". The album is very Afrocentric, dealing with many socially
conscious themes, utilizes rhythms indiginous to regions in Africa ala
Randy Weston.
Many say he is italian, with italian ancestry; others say he is black and
point to this album, _Afrocentric_, and the other african motifs and
leanings in his work over the years....
Whoa, wait a minute, I say....I've known plenty of black people, and
plenty of Guido's, but no black guys named Guido, so that isn't right....
To me, and I'm sure at least to one other rational person here, that
comment seems very TAINTED with racism...it's covert, but it is
racist....look the word up.
Ethnic origin doesn't have anything to do with a person's name. If that's
his point, I disagree. This is a forum for music; don't call me to the
carpet about racism, and don't tell me I'm prone to knee-jerk, PC
reactions
Kevin Spencer
>In article <39r19g$m...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, kspe...@iti.org (Kevin
>Spencer) wrote:
> First of all, who the hell are you to tell me anything about my
>perceptions of someone elses comments? If anyone around here is "jerking"
>anything, knee or otherwise, it's you. There's nothing PC about what I've
>said, and it was not some damn knee-jerk reaction.
Well, "who the hell are you" to have accused another poster of racism?
I believe you fired the first shot here.
>Secondly, my reaction,
>the kind you are so tired of, was rationally derived from the above
>statement: how does one deduce, as I interpret from above, that if a
>person is named Guido, he can't be anything but Italian, and CERTAINLY he
>can't be Armenian or Peruvian, black, or anything else?
[scenario deleted]
> Ethnic origin doesn't have anything to do with a person's name. If that's
>his point, I disagree. This is a forum for music; don't call me to the
>carpet about racism, and don't tell me I'm prone to knee-jerk, PC
>reactions
I defended the original poster's argument by probability; if a person is
named Guido, *given the context*, there may be a high probability that that
person is of Italian background. Of course you can't be absolutely certain,
especially in a multicultural society such as the US. (Indeed, it appears
that Armando Corea may be of Italian descent, from a recent posting.) One
might have a racist motivation for making this statement, and then again,
one might not. I don't think the original poster indicated such a motivation. That is why I chose to defend him.
This is indeed a forum for music, and you were the one to post about
Mark A.'s "racist" comment. I suggest that we take this discussion off
the net.
Kevin
Dana Hall
> This is indeed a forum for music, and you were the one to post about
> Mark A.'s "racist" comment. I suggest that we take this discussion off
> the net.
>
> Kevin
Kevin,
I stand by how I feel about what Mark typed. I believe that the scenario I
presented justifies my rationalization. He may not have meant to say what
he did in the way it was stated, but I _do_ believe that the statement was
a little off color.
I, do, however, apologize for my tone in my response. After clicking on
send, I realized I was perhaps a little 'hot under the collar'. I should
have shown more tact in such a public forum, and you deserved more respect
than I showed....again, my apology.
Dana Hall
Jamie
Woodward) about pianists Cyrus Chestnut and Jacky Terrasson. It
basically talks about the piano trio setting and how it can really
reveal the abilities and/or limitations of any given player.
The article states "Chestnut's _Revealations_ (released January on
Atlantic) should rank high on dozens of top 10 lists. He has a huge
sound, the piano jumping and swaying under his hands with the
open-throated power of a gospel choir...'I've been playing in church
since I was 7 years old...It's something that I still do. It's
something I'll do for the rest of my life...Born in Baltimore, trained
at the Berklee School Of Music in Boston, Chestnut was seasoned as the
accompanist for two years with singer Betty Carter...'I worked very
hard on the trio record to show that Cyrus Chestnut is going to be
around for more than a minute. This is no fluke."
If anyone was watching _State Of The Art_ on PBS in New York last week,
you know what Woodward is talking about. Chestnut performed two
beautiful compositions from his album _Revealations_, and talked about
his background and forthcoming release in an interview with the show's
host.
-Jamie
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Steve Pittard
> > Hold on, here! I've known lots of "Armando"s, and lots of
> > Italians, but NO Italian "Armando"s.
> > Are you sure??
> >
> > "Armando", like "Manuel" and "Jose", are, AFAIK, canonical
> > Hispanic given names.
> > cheers,
> > Mark A.
>
> That remark seems very tainted with racism, whether you meant for it to
> or not. That's like saying only black people can be named Leroy or that
> only white people can be named Felix. Very racist, indeed. A name is a
> name...its ethnic derivation is irrevlevent and to make it a racial issue
> is absurd.
And your remark seems to be tainted with a bit of emotionalism........
Pointing out generalites in naming conventions (be they Chick Corea's or whoever's)
hardly constitutes a form of racist behavior - at least in this context.
Your sensitivity to the issue of racism is appreciated. However , your conclusion
that the poster's inference represents racist behavior is not.
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Dana Hall
> dvi...@iconz.co.nz (Daniel Vidal) writes:
> >Thomas Ford Brown (tomb...@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:
> >: dvi...@iconz.co.nz (Daniel Vidal) writes:
> >: > Thelonious (cs9e...@po.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:
> >: >
> >: >: : anyone know chick's real name?
> >: >
> >: >His name is Armando Corea, son of Spanish immigrants.
> >: He's of Italian ancestry, not Spanish.
> >Interesting to know!! - Now I wonder why he called one of his albums "My
> >Spanish Heart".
>
> Hold on, here! I've known lots of "Armando"s, and lots of
> Italians, but NO Italian "Armando"s.
>
> Are you sure??
>
> "Armando", like "Manuel" and "Jose", are, AFAIK, canonical
> Hispanic given names.
>
> cheers,
> Mark A.
That remark seems very tainted with racism, whether you meant for it to
Frank D. Malczewski
Please move this crap elsewhere, say alt.racism, maybe.
Thank you.
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Glyphix
drh...@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Dana Hall) writes:
>> That remark seems very tainted with racism, whether you meant for it
to
or not. That's like saying only black people can be named Leroy or that
only white people can be named Felix. Very racist, indeed. A name is a
name...its ethnic derivation is irrevlevent and to make it a racial issue
is absurd.<<
Get a life Dana or, better yet, get an education. I'm black. I can
guarantee to you and anyone else that Spaniards and Italians are NOT from
different races.
Bright Moments
George Bailey
Glyphix
My apologies to you. I read your post and responded before reading
subsequent posts. I stand by my statements but I regret my tone.
Keep fighting but pick your shots.
Bright Moments!
George Bailey
Oren H. Levine
I still haven't found any of Cyrus Chestnut's trio CDs, but I did see
him live with the trio in Montreal - it was *smoking*! ...an excellent
lesson in piano trio interaction and communication.
Chestnut was clearly in control of the trio. Sometimes, it looked like
he was playing with the other two guys, challenging them to keep up
with where he was going. He'd look at them and smile, and they'd look
back and sweat.
I definitely agree that he'll be around "for more than a minute"
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Mark Andersen
>mand...@nmsu.edu (Mark Andersen) wrote:
Last time I checked, "Spanish" and "Italian" were not races. Do you really
mean to imply that, if I meet someone named Khuong, it's racist of me to
assume that he's Vietnamese? I disagree, and stand by my contention that
Armando is an Hispanic name, although I'm willing to entertain the notion
that, like Francisco, it may be both Italian and Hispanic.
By the way, check my address. Do you really think I would live where I
do, by choice, if I harbored ethnic prejudice against Hispanics?
best wishes,
Marc Sabatella
> I believe that the scenario I
> presented justifies my rationalization. He may not have meant to say what
> he did in the way it was stated, but I _do_ believe that the statement was
> a little off color.
Would you have similarly accused someone of sexism if they hypothesized that
an artist named "Kevin" was likely to be male?
Note I couldn't use your name as an example here because it is generally
perceived to be more ambiguous.
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So does anyone have any hard facts concerning chick's ancestry?
I'm certainly not going to call him up to ask such a question.
So far, we have me asserting that he is of Italian extraction, supported
tenuously by a long-ago conversation with Patitucci and an equally
old Keyboard magazine interview. I haven't yet found a library
with old Keyboards to recheck my memory on this.
On the other side, we have two guys who disagree with me but
who haven't cited any sources, and a third guy who says
the name doesn't sound Italian.
Not that it really matters, but now my curiousity has been aroused.
Does anyone still have their old Keyboard magazines from the late 70s/
early 80s? Perhaps we could get to the bottom of this pressing issue.
Kay Cazzo
Ford Brown) wrote:
> Cause he likes Spanish music, maybe? I don't know why, but he is Italian.
> I'll give you his phone number if you like, and you can ask him yourself.
Please do, so we can end this debate and get back to discussing music! :)
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Mark Andersen
>> This is indeed a forum for music, and you were the one to post about
>> Mark A.'s "racist" comment. I suggest that we take this discussion off
>> the net.
>>
>> Kevin
>Kevin,
>I stand by how I feel about what Mark typed.
>I, do, however, apologize for my tone in my response.
>Dana Hall
Accepted. I've been known to push people's buttons, intentionally and
otherwise, myself, both on the net and off. Seriously, though, part of
the reason I love living here in NM is that I really like the Hispanic
culture.
I'd still like to know whether Chick is Italian or Spanish. I'd always thought
he was Spanish, even before finding out that his real name was Armando.
hasta luego,
jatk...@zeno04.math.uwaterloo.ca
Just for the record, Chick Corea is of Italian ancestry, case closed. Despite the fact that the majority of his work has been based on Spanish music, surely we would not be so naive as to assume that that makes him Spanish himself. Otherwise, all us Canadians who write jazz music must be of American ancestry, since this is where jazz comes from ;-) Anyways, just check out any jazz history book, as I had to in my jazz performance music program when I had to research good old Corea himself.
James.
Tom Storer
no one has entertained what seems to me a likely possible source of
the seeming Hispanic given name/Italian ancestry paradox.
Perhaps Corea has both Italian *and* Hispanic ancestry - the
existence of a Spanish grandfather, for example, might explain a
Hispanic given name in an otherwise Italian family...
This is not of deathless importance but somehow it's interesting
anyway.
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Linda K. Lord
To put it simply:
Maestro Corea is American.
Jeff Miller
>From: gly...@aol.com (Glyphix)
>Subject: Re: chick corea's real name
>Date: 7 Nov 1994 01:54:58 -0500
Yep, Chick's father's name is Armando.
For trivia's sake, Chick's son (I forget the name) plays drums and has some
sort of association with the band the "Wild Colonials". (Saw this on the Wild
Colonials WWW site)
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Tulio Hernandez
>Just for the record, Chick Corea is of Italian ancestry, case closed. Despite
>the fact that the majority of his work has been based on Spanish music, surely
>we would not be so naive as to assume that that makes him Spanish himself.
>Otherwise, all us Canadians who write jazz music must be of American ancestry,
>since this is where jazz comes from ;-) Anyways, just check out any jazz
>history book, as I had to in my jazz performance music program when I had to
>research good old Corea himself.
>
>James.
OK, now let me jump in with my little blurb:
Some 10 years ago, on a Sunday person to person talk show called
"At one with ..." here in L.A. (similar in format to the Charlie Rose
show in PBS) Chick Corea was a guest. At that time Chick's album
"My Spanish Hart" had just come out and some of the conversation
was about the album. I distinctly remember Chick making reference to
his Spanish heritage and the fact that the album was a tribute to
his Spanish background.
It seems that since his last name sounds Spanish, his real name sounds Spanish
and that there are references to Spanish subjects in his work (like the album
"My Spanish Hart", or the song "Senor mouse"), the tendency is to conclude that
the ancestry is Spanish. On the other hand, what the reality reveals, of course,
is another story. (And no, not because he has songs like "Hymns from the Seventh
Heaven" do I think that that would make him an extra-terrestrial :-))
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Tulio
Marc Sabatella
> Perhaps Corea has both Italian *and* Hispanic ancestry - the
> existence of a Spanish grandfather, for example, might explain a
> Hispanic given name in an otherwise Italian family...
Or maybe his parents were Italian by ancestry but citizens of Spain?
Thomas Ford Brown
In article <3adors$3...@tibaldi.ahip.getty.edu> tu...@tibaldi.ahip.getty.edu (Tulio Hernandez) writes:
>
>It seems that since his last name sounds Spanish, his real name sounds Spanish
>and that there are references to Spanish subjects in his work (like the album
>"My Spanish Hart", or the song "Senor mouse"), the tendency is to conclude that
>the ancestry is Spanish. On the other hand, what the reality reveals, of course,
>is another story. (And no, not because he has songs like "Hymns from the Seventh
>Heaven" do I think that that would make him an extra-terrestrial :-))
No, that would make him a scientologist.
Larry Lewicki
<:>
<:>To put it simply:
<:>
<:>Maestro Corea is American.
and all this time I thought he was Corean -- ;-} (I just couldn't resist).
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Davide Berveglieri
: In article <kirk.78...@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> ki...@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Glasgow Ranger) writes:
: >CHick Corea's real name is Armando Charles Corea...he was born in Chelsea,
: >Mass...and WAS born of Spanish immigrants..not italian as mentioned.
Right about the name: Armando Corea. Son of italian immigrants from
Calabria, a southern area of Italy. I think the only spanish roots
come from his music...
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