Monk music and standards
matt
I know that many of the bebep tunes were based on the standards of the 20s
and 30s (I Got Rhythm etc). I am curious if Thelonious Monk compositions
were similary based on jazz standards. For example, was Round Midnight or
Epistrophy based on a standard? Are there any other Monk tunes based on jazz
standards?
Thanks very much for any info you can share.
Matt
Holger Weber
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Round Midnight and Epistrophy are originals. Hackensack is based on Lady Be
Good, Evidence on Just You, Just Me, and In Walked Bud on Blue Skies. Surely
there are more.
hth
Holger
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Tom Walls
says...
solos by other notable players. I wouldn't argue that they're not
original, mind you, I just thought it might be of interest to the
original poster.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/zeus/
Sam Benediktson
Nutty is basically rhythm changes (or the chords to I Got Rhythm), except
for the bridge. Rhythm-a-ning is also based on rhythm changes. Both Round
Midnight and Epistrophy have pretty origan changes, I don't believe they are
based off of any other tunes.
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Jack Lefton
> Are there any other Monk tunes based on jazz
> standards?
>
Bright Mississippi is based on Sweet Georgia Brown.
Jack
Michael Laprarie
"Rhythm-a-ning" is almost an exact quote from a soli ensemble passage in
Mary Lou Williams' tune "Walkin' and Swingin'", which she recorded with Andy
Kirk's orchestra in 1936.
Although 'borrowing' riffs or licks from other tunes is not an exactly
uncommon practice in jazz, I was surprised when I made this connection,
since I had believed all of Monk's melodies to be wholly original.
Mike
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foo
> This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but the main melody of
> "Rhythm-a-ning" is almost an exact quote from a soli ensemble passage in
> Mary Lou Williams' tune "Walkin' and Swingin'", which she recorded with
Andy
> Kirk's orchestra in 1936.
Good catch. The "Blue Monk" line is also a very close
echo of something earlier. I'll need to go looking in
order to jog my memory -- but I know this to be the
case. Possibly another Andy Kirk thing.
--foo
foo
"Michael Laprarie" <lapr...@home.com> wrote in message
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> This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but the main melody of
> "Rhythm-a-ning" is almost an exact quote from a soli ensemble passage in
> Mary Lou Williams' tune "Walkin' and Swingin'", which she recorded with Andy
> Kirk's orchestra in 1936.
>
I've located the reference I was thinking of. From Peter
Keepnews' notes to "Thelonious Monk: The Complete
Prestige Recordings:
(Re "Blue Monk")
"As for where that melody line came from--well,
*maybe* it came straight from Monk's head, but
it's worth noting that the distinctive eight-note
phrase on which it's based can be heard on a 1938
recording by bassist John Kirby's sextet, and it's
possible that figure had already been around for a
while even then."
I find this a very well-produced box set, by the way.
--foo
Jack Woker
> "As for where that melody line came from--well,
> *maybe* it came straight from Monk's head, but
> it's worth noting that the distinctive eight-note
> phrase on which it's based can be heard on a 1938
> recording by bassist John Kirby's sextet, and it's
> possible that figure had already been around for a
> while even then."
The Kirby tune is "Pastel Blue". I suspect, like many folk and blues
themes, it was not new then either.
jack
Paul Sanwald
--paul
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Robert McKay
>From: pcsa...@pobox.com (Paul Sanwald)
>Date: 12/4/01 8:27 AM Mountain Standard Time
>Monk's tune "Teo" is based on "yesterdays".
If I'm not mistaken, that's the most-covered tune in history, or at least rock
history.
Robert McKay
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Custer had it coming
Michael Fitzgerald
wrote:
>>Monk's tune "Teo" is based on "yesterdays".
>
>If I'm not mistaken, that's the most-covered tune in history, or at least rock
>history.
Yup, you're mistaken. Yesterdays is by Jerome Kern, Yesterday is by
Lennon & McCartney. The most-covered title is for the latter.
Mike
Ulf Åbjörnsson
Michael Fitzgerald skrev ...
> Robert McKay wrote:
> >>Monk's tune "Teo" is based on "yesterdays".
> >If I'm not mistaken, that's the most-covered tune in history, or at least
rock
> >history.
> Yup, you're mistaken. Yesterdays is by Jerome Kern, Yesterday is by
> Lennon & McCartney. The most-covered title is for the latter.
>
impossible. few rock musicians could handle the melody and chords.
Ulf
Rmidn...@webtv.net
the book -Thinking in Jazz - by Paul F. Berliner ...." ..........Round
Midnight composed by Thelonious Monk in 1944 and first recorded by
Cootie Williams. According to some accounts, Williams added
embellishments to the melody during the recording session. Consequently,
his embellishments were incorporated as formal features of the melody
when sheet music renditions were produced based on the recorded version.
Subsequently, when Dizzy Gillespie recorded the piece in 1946, he added
to it's form an eight measure introduction and coda that he had
originally used as the coda of his version of - I Can't Get
Starte......"............. So how much was there before Cootie's
embellishments, I'd be interested in knowing. I remember someone saying
something to the effect that Monk might have been a bit crazy, but he
sure was in the right place when he came up with it. As far as Dizzy's
part, two lines of the three line Round Midnight intro are on that - I
Can't Get Started - Don't know what album of Dizzy's its on. I have it
on the Smithsonian Collection of Classic Jazz. I know this doesn't
answer your question of if it came from another tune, just breaks it
down a little. Something about this tune really gets to me.
foo
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>
> As far as Dizzy's
> part, two lines of the three line Round Midnight intro are on that - I
> Can't Get Started -
>
That coda is in Diz's first big band recording
of "I Can't Get Started." I'll try to find details. That
coda, by the way, also quotes Tadd Dameron's
"If You Could See Me Now."
--foo