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Saucy creamer

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Aug 26, 2001, 9:14:25 PM8/26/01
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Hi can anyone tell me anything about Jazz Euphonium. Players ect

Michael Fitzgerald

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Aug 26, 2001, 10:26:10 PM8/26/01
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On 27 Aug 2001 01:14:25 GMT, saucyc...@aol.com (Saucy creamer)
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>Hi can anyone tell me anything about Jazz Euphonium. Players ect

One of the world's shortest books. There isn't even an A-L and M-Z.
Just an M volume, apparently.

Bernard McKinney (aka Kiane Zawadi)
Rich Matteson
Gus Mancuso


Upset? Perhaps you would like to read this:
http://www.frognet.net/~ajbweeks/descrimination.html

Mike

fitz...@eclipse.net
http://www.eclipse.net/~fitzgera

Ulf Åbjörnsson

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Aug 27, 2001, 2:10:40 AM8/27/01
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Saucy creamer skrev ...

> Hi can anyone tell me anything about Jazz Euphonium. Players ect

The first one coming to my mind is Rich Matteson who is "a lower-brass Clark
Terry"! There are several recordings with him and he is part of the
Matteson-Phillips Tuba Jazz Consort (three euphs and three tubas plus rhythm
section). Check out their version of "Oleo"!

Ulf


Jesse Canterbury

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Aug 27, 2001, 2:08:58 PM8/27/01
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George Lewis (the Chicago AACM George Lewis) is more famous for his trombone
playing, but he's played euphonium too, I think. He's played it maybe on one
or two Anthony Braxton records and on a solo album of his.

Jesse

Michael Laprarie

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Aug 28, 2001, 9:30:20 PM8/28/01
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Check out tuba player Howard Johnson's album "Gravity" on Verve records,
should still be in print. Group is 8 tubas plus rhythm, but they double on
euphonium on many of the tunes. Dave Bargeron rips up "'Way 'Cross Georgia"
on euph.

Also, the Matteson-Phillips Tubajazz Consort LP from the 70's is really good
if you can find it. I'm sure it's way out of print. I have a copy on
cassette that I made from a friend some years ago.

Mike


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Ulf Åbjörnsson

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Aug 29, 2001, 1:57:44 AM8/29/01
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Michael Laprarie skrev ...

> Also, the Matteson-Phillips Tubajazz Consort LP from the 70's is really
good
> if you can find it. I'm sure it's way out of print. I have a copy on
> cassette that I made from a friend some years ago.
>
There are two of them!!

Ulf

TJ

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Aug 30, 2001, 3:07:28 PM8/30/01
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I once heard Rich Matteson playing Euphonium or Baritone horn (except
for the bore size they are indistinguishable) at an IAJE Conference Jam
session in Chicago back in the 80's....He was amazing ! The
characterization by Ulf as Rich M being the Clark Terry of low brass is
a good one !

In 1980 The Jazz Ambassadors of the United States Army Field Band put
out an Lp on which Rich Matteson was the featured Euphonium soloist.
Matteson is featured on a Matteson original called Be Bop Minor and on
his arrangement of Georgia on my mind. A wonderful player and a very
capable arranger.

Some may remember Rich Matteson as the Tuba player in one of the Dukes
of Dixieland bands. One significant album of theirs where Matteson is a
member of the band and does some soloing is the album of Louis Armstrong
with the Dukes of Dixieland...maybe it has been re-issued on CD....I
don't know.

I think that the Euphonium/Baritone horn is unusual in Jazz because most
jazz players would opt for the more cool looking Valve Trombone which
basically is a Euphonium/Baritone horn re-designed to look like a
trombone....both horns are pitched the same and the fingerings are the
same...a favourite with slide-challenged trombone players....< vbg >


TJ

George Scala

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Sep 3, 2001, 2:21:55 PM9/3/01
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I once compiled a discography of jazz recordings with euphonium or
baritone horn (since that's what I played). Here it is in
chronological order:

Milt Bernhart RCA/Victor LPM1123 3/4/55 Maynard
Ferguson-eu

Slide Hampton Somethin' Sanctified Atlantic SD1362 10/17/60
Charles Greenlee-bh

John Coltrane Africa/Brass Impulse AS-6 5/23/61 Julian
Priester-eu Charles Greenlee-eu Carl Bowman-eu

George Benson Shape of Things to Come A&M SP3014 8/27/68 Wayne
Andre-bh

Duke Lumumba Lumumba A&M 1969 George Bohanon-eu

Herbie Mann Memphis Two-Step Embryo SD531 9/29/70 George
Bohanon-bh

George Benson White Rabbit CTI 6015 11/71 Wayne Andre-bh


Don Sebesky Big Band Giant Box CTI 6031/32 4/73 Wayne
Andre-bh

Maynard Ferguson Chameleon Columbia KC33007 4/74
Maynard Ferguson-bh

The Charles Moffett Family Vol. 1 LRS 6142 7/75 Mondre
Moffett-bh

Paul Rutherford/Paul Lovens PoTorch (G) PTR/JWD3
11/76 Paul Rutherford-eu

Return to Forever Musicmagic Columbia JC35281
5/20/77 Jim Pugh-bh Harold Garrett-bh

Ry Cooder Jazz Warner Bros. BSK3197 1978 George
Bohanon-bh

Paul Rutherford Neuph Sweet Folk & Country (E) SFA092 1/30/78 Paul
Rutherford-eu

Horns FMP (G) 0660 3/24/78 Paul Rutherford-eu
A European Proposal Horo (I) HDP35-36 4/24/78 Paul
Rutherford-eu

Herbert Joos Ballad Plane (G) 88140 8/1/78 Herbert Joos-bh
Paul Rutherford/Tony Rusconi L'Orchestra (I) OLP55011
7/79 Paul Rutherford-eu

Parker/Rutherford/Stevens 4,4,4 View (E) VS0011 8/79 Paul
Rutherford-eu

John Stevens A Luta Continua (Dance Orchestra) Konnex (G)
KCD5056 10/24/79 Paul Rutherford-eu

Mathias Ruegg Extra Platte (A) 10 11/19/79
Herbert Joos-bh

Max Morath and his Ragtime Stompers Vanguard VSD79440
1980 Dave Bargeron-eu

The Family FMP (G) 0940 9/7/80 Paul Rutherford-eu


SME SME + SMO In Concert Sweet Folk & Country (E) SFA112
5/8/81 Paul Rutherford-eu

Jim Pugh Crystal Eyes Pewter TR520691 12/15/81 Jim
Pugh-eu

Maynard Ferguson Hollywood Columbia FC37713 1982
Maynard Ferguson-bh

Paul Rutherford In Pisa V.M. Boxes (I) VMB104 7/82 Paul
Rutherford-eu

John Stevens Folkus/The Life of Riley Affinity (E) AFF130
7/18/84 Paul Rutherford-eu

Philip Glass Songs from Liquid Days Columbia MK39584 [CD]
1986 Jim Pugh-eu

George Gruntz Concert Jazz Band First Prize Enja R279606 [CD]
5/7/89 Dave Bargeron-eu Joe Daley-eu

Lol Coxhill Before My Time Chabada (E) OH17 1990 Paul
Rutherford-eu

Chris Hunter and his Orchestra I Want You Sweet Basil (J)
ALCR-80 [CD] 9/18/90 Dave Bargeron-eu

George Gruntz Concert Jazz Band Blues 'n Dues et cetera Enja R279673
[CD] 1/4/91 Dave Bargeron-eu Jim Pugh-eu

George Scala
http://www.mindspring.com/~scala

TJ

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Sep 3, 2001, 9:09:41 PM9/3/01
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George:

Here's another title you may want to add to your list. It's a 1960
recording that was re-released on CD in 1996 on the Fresh Sounds Label.
It's Jimmy Hamilton and his Orchestra...Swing Low Sweet
Clarinet...BUT.....the Orchestra here is and check this out....Hamilton
on Clarinet, Paul Gonsalves on Tenor sax, John Anderson on trumpet,
Jimmy Rowles on piano, Sam Woodyard on drums, Aaron Bell Bass....
and..... are you ready for this ?........Three Baritone Horns (Not one
but three!!!!!)...played by Britt Woodman, Mitchell Wood and Dave Wells.

Has a nice sound to it and the charts make nice use of the ensemble
potential of such an instrumentation. With the exception of one Hamilton
original the tunes are all good standards...

Cheers

TJ

slavid

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Sep 4, 2001, 2:02:02 PM9/4/01
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There are a number of CDs by Django Bates under various guises in which he
plays something described as an Eflat Peck Horn
Is that different??

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TJ

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Sep 4, 2001, 4:41:58 PM9/4/01
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As I understand Eb Horns or Peck Horns as some call them...they are
smaller in terms of lenght of tubing...than the Baritone
Horn/Euphonium..they are pitched higher....they are about half the size
in terms of height and width but look like the Bari/Euph except for
being smaller. They are a bit of a joke as a musical instrument. They
have a crummy sound and they are apparently very hard to play in tune.

They were manufactured in the old days to supply the then growing market
for Brass Band instruments. Brass Bands were not Bugle bands...they were
something totally different. The Eb horns are rarely found in the
standard Concert, Symphonic or Military Bands of todays wind
ensembles..in North America. They are used today mostly to make lamps or
some I am told use them as cigar ashtrays or I have seen them mounted on
the wall as decorations in restaurants.

TJ

TJ

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Sep 4, 2001, 9:11:03 PM9/4/01
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Yes...I know..it's alive in the British Colonies and here in Canada as
well (another British Colony) because in Canada the Brass band tradition
survives here mostly because of the Salvation Army and their historical
fondness for this "Over Home" means of making music. "Over Homers" or
Brits brought this tradition to Canada but it never really caught on
except for the Sally Ann groups......Thank God!

Can you really sit through a Brass Band performance of Tchaikovsky's 6th
Symphony by a Brass Band with all of those silver peck horns and
whatevers.....with their wawadowa vibratos... without barfing ?

Yuk........Double yuk....!

< VBG >

TJ

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