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brew ziggins

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Sep 1, 2001, 2:02:58 PM9/1/01
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There was an article in yesterday's New York Times about Woodlawn
Cemetary, and it had a picture of Miles' grave. It is emblazoned 'Sir
Miles Davis'.

Was Miles knighted??? Or is there some other explanation?

I would have thought I would have heard about a knighthood by now.

Curiously yours,

B___

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bruce higgins ~ lbh2 at cornell dot edu ~ http://tigermtn.dev.cornell.edu

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Except the part about the banana sticking to the wall."
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Michael Fitzgerald

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Sep 1, 2001, 2:49:34 PM9/1/01
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 14:02:58 -0400, EllBeeA...@cornell.edu (brew
ziggins) wrote:
>There was an article in yesterday's New York Times about Woodlawn
>Cemetary, and it had a picture of Miles' grave. It is emblazoned 'Sir
>Miles Davis'.
>
>Was Miles knighted??? Or is there some other explanation?

This is discussed in the November 1992 issue of Jazz Journal
International, p. 10, which references a New York Times article of
June 9, 1992.

"the trumpeter's title was bestowed by the Knights of Malta"

Mike

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http://www.eclipse.net/~fitzgera

Michael Fitzgerald

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Sep 1, 2001, 4:38:07 PM9/1/01
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Looking at the recent NYT article, it's unfortunate that the monument
includes the notation to "Solar," a tune not composed by Miles Davis,
but by Chuck Wayne.

Mike

fitz...@eclipse.net
http://www.eclipse.net/~fitzgera

Top Catt

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Sep 1, 2001, 8:10:59 PM9/1/01
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In article <EllBeeAitchTwo-...@tigermtn.dev.cornell.edu>,
EllBeeA...@cornell.edu says...

> There was an article in yesterday's New York Times about Woodlawn
> Cemetary, and it had a picture of Miles' grave. It is emblazoned 'Sir
> Miles Davis'.
>
> Was Miles knighted??? Or is there some other explanation?
>
> I would have thought I would have heard about a knighthood by now.
>
> Curiously yours,
>
> B___

I wondered about that myself--and I believe that there's a federal law
that states that American citizens aren't permitted to accept foriegn
titles (Sir Roland Hanna, Lord Buckley, and Sir Charles Thompson
excepted, of course)

Which reminds me of some lines from a Bugs Bunny cartoon--Bugs is in
Medieval England, and he meets a knight on horseback who asks him what
noble persons he knows:

BUGS: Oh, Duke of Ellington, Count of Basie, Earl of Hines--

KNIGHT: Upstarts and rogues!!!

BUGS: Hey! You can't talk about my friends like that!

;-)

T.C.

Top Catt

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Sep 1, 2001, 8:13:49 PM9/1/01
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In article <b1b2ptovrg7s2bccm...@4ax.com>,
fitz...@eclipse.net says...

That organization of devout Roman Catholics? I guess they didn't know
much about his lifestyle (or his technicolor-profane vocabulary, for that
matter). I'd like to hear the story behind *that* honor...!

T.C.

Michael Fitzgerald

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Sep 1, 2001, 9:06:05 PM9/1/01
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On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:13:49 -0700, Top Catt <top_c...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>> "the trumpeter's title was bestowed by the Knights of Malta"
>
>That organization of devout Roman Catholics? I guess they didn't know
>much about his lifestyle (or his technicolor-profane vocabulary, for that
>matter). I'd like to hear the story behind *that* honor...!

Read pp. 387-388 of the autobiography - here's a small quote:

"I have to admit that I don't know what all those words in the order's
name [The Knights of the Grand Cross in and for the Sovereign Military
Hospitaler Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta]
actually mean, but I'm told that as a member I can get into thirty or
forty countries without a visa. I was also told that I was chosen for
this honor because I have class, because I'm a genius."

Mike

fitz...@eclipse.net
http://www.eclipse.net/~fitzgera

Rmidn...@webtv.net

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Sep 2, 2001, 6:49:52 AM9/2/01
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< (was told) because I have class > begs the question, what class
would the theft of solar be? felony or misdemeanor

Bo Hultqvist

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Sep 2, 2001, 7:46:11 AM9/2/01
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MF> Read pp. 387-388 of the autobiography -here's a small quote:

MF> "I have to admit that I don't know what all those words in the
MF> order's name [The Knights of the Grand Cross in and for the
MF> Sovereign Military Hospitaler Order of St. John of Jerusalem of
MF> Rhodes and of Malta] actually mean, but I'm told that as a
MF> member I can get into thirty or forty countries without a visa.
MF> I was also told that I was chosen for this honor because I have
MF> class, because I'm a genius."

Obviously it's just a joke and bullshit! Perhaps the organisation
exists on the paper, but it surely don't have those privileges!
By the way, I and my friends founded a Knights Order when we were 12
years old.

When you read that quote it sounds that Miles Davis had the same
class as Muhammad Ali. Perhaps Miles could have said that with some
irony, but unfortunately it often seems like our great geniuses are
crippleminded in one way or another.

Bosse

Bo Hultqvist

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Sep 2, 2001, 8:12:43 AM9/2/01
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MF> Read pp. 387-388 of the autobiography -here's a small quote:

MF> "I have to admit that I don't know what all those words in the
MF> order's name [The Knights of the Grand Cross in and for the
MF> Sovereign Military Hospitaler Order of St. John of Jerusalem of
MF> Rhodes and of Malta] actually mean, but I'm told that as a
MF> member I can get into thirty or forty countries without a visa.
MF> I was also told that I was chosen for this honor because I have
MF> class, because I'm a genius."

That Knights Order stuff is just a joke or bullshit!
The organisation doesn't exist or exists just on the paper. It
surely don't have those privileges. By the way, I and my friends
founded a Knights Order when we were 12 years old!

Reading the quote, you realize that Miles Davis had the same class
as Muhammad Ali. Perhaps Miles wrote it with some irony, but
unfortunately our great geniuses often seem to be crippleminded in
some way or another.

Bosse

John Monroe

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Sep 2, 2001, 12:07:33 PM9/2/01
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On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Michael Fitzgerald wrote:

> Read pp. 387-388 of the autobiography - here's a small quote:
>

> "I was also told that I was chosen for
> this honor because I have class, because I'm a genius."

Nobody ever said Catholics lacked taste. Look at the Sistine Chapel, and
numerous other masterpieces of Italian painting in the Renaissance, to say
nothing of Dante or Olivier Messiaen. Not all of these folks were, pardon
the expression, "saints" (Caravaggio, anyone?). In any case, as far as
I'm concerned, Miles Davis deserved (still deserves, for that matter) every
ribbon, certificate, medal and loving-cup human beings can invent and confer.

John Monroe

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www.live365.com/stations/189129


Michael Kelly

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Sep 2, 2001, 2:02:24 PM9/2/01
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On Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:10:59 -0700, Top Catt <top_c...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>> I would have thought I would have heard about a knighthood by now.

Why would he want to be a mere Knight when he was
already dubbed The Prince Of Darkness(tm)?? :->

Mike

--

"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
-- Groucho Marx

Top Catt

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Sep 2, 2001, 5:40:15 PM9/2/01
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In article <WinLMSG.3b92...@newsc.telia.net>,
bosse.h...@telia.com says...

I don't know about the no-passport business, but the Knights of Malta
certainly do exist--I had a grade school teacher who was a member. See:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07477a.htm

BTW, for a fun take on another ancient chivalric order (the Knights
Templar) vs. the liberating force of jazz (or "Jes' Grew"), check out the
novel "Mumbo Jumbo," by Ishmael Reed. It's a fantasy, but plausible
enough to make you stop and think about what forces may REALLY be behind
various "culture wars."

T.C.

Paul Heroy

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Sep 5, 2001, 3:22:41 PM9/5/01
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In article <b1b2ptovrg7s2bccm...@4ax.com>, Michael Fitzgerald <fitz...@eclipse.net> wrote:
>
>"the trumpeter's title was bestowed by the Knights of Malta"

Seems like the Knights Templar would've been a more appropriate choice.
(Though of course they haven't been extent for centuries.) The "Dark
Prince" would fit right in with their cultivated image!

--

Paul Heroy <*> It's yahoo, not hooya.

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