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Apr 9, 2004, 4:03:03 PM4/9/04
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Official release available at www.DVDBrazil.com
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Leonard Bernstein's West Side Story is a staple of the American
theatre. In "The Making of West Side Story" (a bestseller on CD), a
legendary cast is led by Jose Carreras, Kiri Te Kanawa, Tatiana
Troyanos, and Kurt Ollmann--all conducted and supervised by Leonard
Bernstein. See and hear the making of a masterpiece--from the first
piano rehearsals to the actual recording performances. A must for
every fan as well as a rare look inside a recording studio. Includes
Bernstein's famous "interruption" of "Maria".

Region ALL, compatible with all DVD players in the world.

Buy it at:
http://www.dvdbrazil.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewitem.asp?idproduct=836

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WWise72606

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Apr 9, 2004, 10:52:48 PM4/9/04
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<< Even though this is basically complete it is a horrible album and is
totally miscast. I don't know what they were thinking when they cast
Carreras as a Polish guy and cast Kiri Te Kanawa as Maria.

If you want a complete cast the Jay recording is infinitely more
listenable than this bad idea of DGG.
>><BR><BR>
Yeah........What did the Bernstein guy know?
Oh, by the way, I'm that tan trumpet player in the red sweater:-}
Wilmer

luminos

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Apr 10, 2004, 2:59:06 AM4/10/04
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"Joseph" <JoeOfS...@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote in message
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> On 9 Apr 2004 13:03:03 -0700, sa...@dvdbrazil.com (DVDBrazil.com)

> wrote:
>
> >Leonard Bernstein's West Side Story is a staple of the American
> >theatre. In "The Making of West Side Story" (a bestseller on CD), a
> >legendary cast is led by Jose Carreras, Kiri Te Kanawa, Tatiana
> >Troyanos, and Kurt Ollmann--all conducted and supervised by Leonard
> >Bernstein. See and hear the making of a masterpiece--from the first
> >piano rehearsals to the actual recording performances. A must for
> >every fan as well as a rare look inside a recording studio. Includes
> >Bernstein's famous "interruption" of "Maria".
>
> Even though this is basically complete it is a horrible album and is
> totally miscast. I don't know what they were thinking when they cast
> Carreras as a Polish guy and cast Kiri Te Kanawa as Maria.
>
> If you want a complete cast the Jay recording is infinitely more
> listenable than this bad idea of DGG.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> remove NONO from .NONOcom to reply

You are right...but it is fun to see Carerras blow Maria so many times
Bernstein loses his cool :)


Thomas Müthing

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Apr 10, 2004, 3:29:26 AM4/10/04
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Joseph schrieb:

> If you want a complete cast the Jay recording is infinitely more
> listenable than this bad idea of DGG.

Or, get the Naxos recording under Bernstein's former assistant Kenneth
Schermerhorn. Not ideal, but still WAAAYYY better than the "operatic" DG
version.

Thomas

Alan P Dawes

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Apr 10, 2004, 6:46:39 AM4/10/04
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In article <0bce70pbm436euhv2...@4ax.com>,

Joseph <JoeOfS...@yahoo.NONOcom> wrote:
> Even though this is basically complete it is a horrible album and is
> totally miscast. I don't know what they were thinking when they cast
> Carreras as a Polish guy and cast Kiri Te Kanawa as Maria.

The casting director missheard. The closest he could get to a Maori was
Kiri Te Kanawa :-)

Alan

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REG

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Apr 10, 2004, 7:46:04 AM4/10/04
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:) I once called her Kiri the Cannibal, and was attacked for it here by a
sub of Bollman, Inc. But I still call her that.


"Alan P Dawes" <alan....@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Steven Leifer

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Apr 10, 2004, 9:54:58 AM4/10/04
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Having watched this when it was on PBS, I remember how bizarre that
Carreras casting was.
Then to watch the Bernstein beratements of him, Yikes!
That was an exercise in sadism.
If this was to be done by opera singers, it should have been Hadley or an
unknown.
I liked Te Kanawa.
The Schermerhorn recording is not very pleasant and not good for repeated
listening.
The Bernstein value is for the completeness and vibrancy of the
orchestral passages.

Joseph wrote:

> On 9 Apr 2004 13:03:03 -0700, sa...@dvdbrazil.com (DVDBrazil.com)
> wrote:
>

> >Leonard Bernstein's West Side Story is a staple of the American
> >theatre. In "The Making of West Side Story" (a bestseller on CD), a
> >legendary cast is led by Jose Carreras, Kiri Te Kanawa, Tatiana
> >Troyanos, and Kurt Ollmann--all conducted and supervised by Leonard
> >Bernstein. See and hear the making of a masterpiece--from the first
> >piano rehearsals to the actual recording performances. A must for
> >every fan as well as a rare look inside a recording studio. Includes
> >Bernstein's famous "interruption" of "Maria".
>

> Even though this is basically complete it is a horrible album and is
> totally miscast. I don't know what they were thinking when they cast
> Carreras as a Polish guy and cast Kiri Te Kanawa as Maria.
>

> If you want a complete cast the Jay recording is infinitely more
> listenable than this bad idea of DGG.
>

WWise72606

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Apr 10, 2004, 10:41:13 AM4/10/04
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<< The Bernstein value is for the completeness and vibrancy of the
orchestral passages. >><BR><BR>

The studio was as cold as a meat locker.
I personally think Carreras was afraid he would lose his voice.
He was magnificent at the run through.
He had time problems, most times he could not find beat one.
Thank God, Philly Jo was not on the gig:-}
You have no idea of the pressure on everyone involved
Yeah, the orchestra was smokin'
Wilmer

luminos

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Apr 10, 2004, 4:22:31 PM4/10/04
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"Steven Leifer" <eg...@global2000.net> wrote in message
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> Having watched this when it was on PBS, I remember how bizarre that
> Carreras casting was.
> Then to watch the Bernstein beratements of him, Yikes!
> That was an exercise in sadism.

Bernstein had every right to criticize. If you watch the documentary
carefully, the real problem is that Carreras cannot count. He keeps
thinking Puccini when this is pure Bernstein.

The orchestral playing is magical: It is the only recording where the Mambo
dance scene has the required BASS saxophone, as specified. I have played
this musical numerous times and the conductors always leave things like that
out...too difficult to aquire.


WWise72606

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Apr 10, 2004, 4:45:48 PM4/10/04
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<< The orchestral playing is magical: It is the only recording where the Mambo
dance scene has the required BASS saxophone, as specified. I have played
this musical numerous times and the conductors always leave things like that
out...too difficult to aquire. >><BR><BR>
Wally Kane is the Bass Sax player on the recording.
Wilmer

Steve Silverman

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Apr 10, 2004, 5:42:29 PM4/10/04
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"luminos" <log...@trip.net> wrote in message
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>
> Bernstein had every right to criticize. If you watch the documentary
> carefully, the real problem is that Carreras cannot count. He keeps
> thinking Puccini when this is pure Bernstein.

It was the syncopations that caught him out. He kept wanting to sing on the
beat instead of off it.

Steve Silverman


Mark D Lew

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Apr 10, 2004, 6:38:45 PM4/10/04
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In article <c59po5$f52$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>, Steve Silverman
<ssil...@btopenworld.com> wrote:

> It was the syncopations that caught him out. He kept wanting to sing on the
> beat instead of off it.

Then he's a horrible choice. "Something's coming" is terribly tricky
even if you can count.

mdl

luminos

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Apr 10, 2004, 8:01:07 PM4/10/04
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Alright, but the long held out notes late in the repeated phrase
Ma--ri------------------------a is what set Bernstein off.
"Steve Silverman" <ssil...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Steve Silverman

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"Mark D Lew" <mark...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Then he's a horrible choice. "Something's coming" is terribly tricky
> even if you can count.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. However, I still think his final
take of Maria is wonderful.

Steve Silverman


Steve Silverman

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Apr 10, 2004, 9:06:16 PM4/10/04
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"luminos" <log...@trip.net> wrote in message
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> Alright, but the long held out notes late in the repeated phrase
> Ma--ri------------------------a is what set Bernstein off.

On the DVD he does, however, clearly indicate his appreciation of the
results after the final take.

Steve Silverman


WWise72606

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<< > Alright, but the long held out notes late in the repeated phrase
> Ma--ri------------------------a is what set Bernstein off.

On the DVD he does, however, clearly indicate his appreciation of the
results after the final take.

Steve Silverman >><BR><BR>

Maria was recorded at the end of a very long day.
Carreras, on his own, decided to mark his part and come back to it later.
LB went ballistic!!!!!!!!
Pepe stormed out of the studio.
The next day Maria was the first thing recorded, Jose nailed it!
We never did see Marilyn Horne:-}
I, personally, liked Kiri's Somewhere.
Wilmer

davyd

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Apr 11, 2004, 12:33:18 AM4/11/04
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how about Kiwi Te Kanawa :)

"REG" <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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REG

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Apr 11, 2004, 1:38:31 AM4/11/04
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That'll do too.

"davyd" <d...@c.kom> wrote in message news:eU3ec.4760$4Y2.1534@lakeread04...

Andrys Basten

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Apr 11, 2004, 4:31:23 AM4/11/04
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In article <107glsa...@news20.forteinc.com>,

luminos <log...@trip.net> wrote:
>
>"Steven Leifer" <eg...@global2000.net> wrote in message
>news:4077FCB0...@global2000.net...
>> Having watched this when it was on PBS, I remember how bizarre that
>> Carreras casting was.
>> Then to watch the Bernstein beratements of him, Yikes!
>> That was an exercise in sadism.
>
>Bernstein had every right to criticize. If you watch the documentary
>carefully, the real problem is that Carreras cannot count. He keeps
>thinking Puccini when this is pure Bernstein.

The real pain was that Bernstein berated him for his
inability to sing the words in an 'American' sound -- of all
things!

I taped it when it was broadcast. I like the documentary
as a whole but found this part really humiliating and cruel.

As for the singer sounding like an American, Hadley would
have been perfect for the role in every way (sound-wise).

I once asked him if he were ever going to do this role
on recordings and he said it was being discussed.


- A


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Ries

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Apr 11, 2004, 9:55:49 AM4/11/04
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hehe

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Ries

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Apr 11, 2004, 9:55:57 AM4/11/04
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yeah

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Kelly Bucheger

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Apr 11, 2004, 10:46:33 AM4/11/04
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WWise72606 wrote:

> Oh, by the way, I'm that tan trumpet player in the red sweater:-}

Man, what a great band! One thing that frustrated me about the DVD was
that it doesn't list the musicians (or at least I couldn't hunt 'em
down anywhere on it...).

Would you be able to list the folks you could remember on that session
(especially in that killer trumpet section -- is that Snooky
Young?)...

I'd love to know who the players are...

Kelly Bucheger
Buffalo, NY
http://www.jazztenor.com

WWise72606

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Apr 11, 2004, 1:59:55 PM4/11/04
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<< Man, what a great band! One thing that frustrated me about the DVD was
that it doesn't list the musicians (or at least I couldn't hunt 'em
down anywhere on it...).

Would you be able to list the folks you could remember on that session
(especially in that killer trumpet section -- is that Snooky
Young?)...

I'd love to know who the players are...

>><BR><BR>
We were not named on the record/cd either.
Here is as much as I can recall.

The Woodwinds
Julius Baker, Harvey Estrin-Flute
Ronald Roseman-Oboe
Donald McCourt-Bassoon- Albert Regni- Clarinet
Les Scott-Clarinet and Bass Clarinet
Red Press-Alto Sax, George Marge-Tenor Sax
John Campo- Baritone Sax, Wally Kane Bass and Baritone Sax.
The Brass
Paul Ingraham, Robert Carlisle-Horns
Wilmer Wise, Phil Ruecktenwald, David Gale-Trpts.
Douglas Edelman-Trombone, Larry Benz-Bass Trb.
The Rhythm Section
Ken Bowen-Piano, Scott Kuney-Guitar
John Beal, Joe Bongiorno, Don Palma-Basses
Nick Cerrato-Drums, Richard Fitz, Joe Passaro-Perc.
The was an army of strings, I am not even going to try to name
I played first trumpet, I was supposed to play second and piccolo trumpet on
the dates.
Lew Soloff was out with Sinatra and could not make it back for the dates, so I
moved over and played lead.
Thanks, Lew!
Wilmer

The Squash Delivery Boy

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Apr 11, 2004, 4:36:17 PM4/11/04
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WWise72606 wrote:

> Would you be able to list the folks you could remember on that session
> (especially in that killer trumpet section -- is that Snooky
> Young?)...

Congratulations, by the way. How was working with Bernstein, temper tantrums
apart? Did you work with him on other sessions?

And, do YOU like Wynton Marsalis (I do)?

sq

WWise72606

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Apr 11, 2004, 5:42:58 PM4/11/04
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<< Congratulations, by the way. How was working with Bernstein, temper tantrums
apart? Did you work with him on other sessions?

And, do YOU like Wynton Marsalis (I do)? >><BR><BR>
Lenny was always complimentary to me.
I played a few concerts with him when he guest conducted the Brooklyn
Philharmonic.

When Wynton came up the Mississippi, I was there to meet him:-}
Wynton subbed for me in the Sweeney Todd orchestra while he was a student at
Juilliard.
We went to Mexico City in a band whose trumpet section included Ed Carroll,
Cecil Bridgewater, Wynton and me.
Wynton plays the trumpet at a super-human level.
He is a long time buddy.
Wilmer

randee

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Apr 12, 2004, 4:44:20 PM4/12/04
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AFAIK the CD with Larry Kert as Tony and Carol Lawrence as Maria is
still available; I've always rather liked that version
myself..................

Joseph wrote:
>
> On 9 Apr 2004 13:03:03 -0700, sa...@dvdbrazil.com (DVDBrazil.com)
> wrote:
>

> >Leonard Bernstein's West Side Story is a staple of the American
> >theatre. In "The Making of West Side Story" (a bestseller on CD), a
> >legendary cast is led by Jose Carreras, Kiri Te Kanawa, Tatiana
> >Troyanos, and Kurt Ollmann--all conducted and supervised by Leonard
> >Bernstein. See and hear the making of a masterpiece--from the first
> >piano rehearsals to the actual recording performances. A must for
> >every fan as well as a rare look inside a recording studio. Includes
> >Bernstein's famous "interruption" of "Maria".
>

> Even though this is basically complete it is a horrible album and is
> totally miscast. I don't know what they were thinking when they cast
> Carreras as a Polish guy and cast Kiri Te Kanawa as Maria.
>

> If you want a complete cast the Jay recording is infinitely more
> listenable than this bad idea of DGG.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> remove NONO from .NONOcom to reply

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Andrys Basten

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In article <407AFFA4...@zianet.com>, randee <ran...@zianet.com> wrote:
>AFAIK the CD with Larry Kert as Tony and Carol Lawrence as Maria is
>still available; I've always rather liked that version
>myself..................

I saw Kert about 11 years ago on some 2-hour special, in which
he sang Maria. His voice was as fresh (though nicely untrained -
works better for Broadway) as it was in '59.

It was strange seeing Lawrence playing an older mother in some
soap opera at that same time.

buzz hauser

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****
WEHT Kiri TK ?

Buzz
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