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Senor Blues by Horace Silver

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Mike

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Aug 17, 2002, 12:28:42 PM8/17/02
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From what I've heard, Mr. Horace Silver wasn't exactly the easiest
person to work with. Supposedly, to be a drummer or bassist in his
combo was aweful. He gave no freedom to his players to improvise
without specific permission. Ever notice how the simple and
repetitive the bass lines were or the scarcity of a drum fill? I
totally dig his tunes, but I think I might get bored playing them. I
think Silver was just very stubborn about the precision of his
arrangements. Anyone have some fact-based insight on this?

mike


g...@world.std.com (guy f klose) wrote in message news:<H0H5tD...@world.std.com>...
> birdandd...@cs.com (BirdAndDizzyMonk) writes:
> >I just gotta say that Horace Silver has got to be one of the funkiest players
> >ever in my opinion. His compositions are so crazy. I have that version off of
> >his Six Pieces of Silver album as a bonus cut. Also, Blowin' the Blues Away is
> >a must have. ~Ray
>
> Horace has a really interesting book out called something like "The Art of
> Small Combo Jazz Playing, Composing and Arranging." One thing that really
> struck me is that he talks about having to practice group intonation,
> dynamics, articulation, etc. It doesn't just happen but has to be developed.
> Once past high school ensembles, I can't recall any group I've been in doing
> something like practicing group intonation.
>
> Anyway, I met a guy that played trumpet with Horace for several years. He
> had lots of interesting stories. He said that when they were starting up a new
> tour, with new compositions, the first night or two Horace would have out some
> charts on their music stands. On the third night, there might not be any charts
> out. He'd ask Horace "so, can I take a look at those charts again?" Horace
> would reply "oh, you still need those?" He said after that he would learn tunes
> quickly.
>
> A band I was recorded one of Horace's tunes (although I didn't handle the
> issue, I seem to recall that Horace doesn't belong to ASCAP or BMI but he
> retains his own rights). We did the right thing and contacted him about his
> royalties. My bandmate that contacted him said he was very nice on the phone
> and seemed very interested in our group. However, while I think we assumed
> he wouldn't be all that interested in a check for such a piddly amount of
> money ($36.something as I recall), he was interested and gave us an address
> to send the check to.

Steve Raineri

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Aug 23, 2002, 12:55:00 PM8/23/02
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Goldd...@fast.net (Mike) wrote in message news:<93dc98a9.02081...@posting.google.com>...

> From what I've heard, Mr. Horace Silver wasn't exactly the easiest
> person to work with. Supposedly, to be a drummer or bassist in his
> combo was aweful. He gave no freedom to his players to improvise
> without specific permission. Ever notice how the simple and
> repetitive the bass lines were or the scarcity of a drum fill? I
> totally dig his tunes, but I think I might get bored playing them. I
> think Silver was just very stubborn about the precision of his
> arrangements. Anyone have some fact-based insight on this?
>
> mike
>
Stan Getz gave him his start. He might have gotten some of this from Stan.
How about his composition Quicksilver which was taken as the theme from Star Trek

SteveR

guy f klose

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Aug 23, 2002, 5:03:39 PM8/23/02
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ste...@speechworks.com (Steve Raineri) writes:
> How about his composition Quicksilver which was taken as the theme from Star Trek

I don't know "Quicksilver", but are you saying that the theme from Star
Trek uses the same chord changes? The chord changes to "Out of Nowhere"
(in and of itself a very pretty tune).

I'm sure there are other "contrafacts" (a term David Baker uses), but the
only other one I know is "Nostalgia" (I'm not sure of the composer...maybe
Fats Navarro...I know a version done by Jimmy and Percy Heath on an album).

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Guy Klose
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Zapbailey

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Aug 23, 2002, 9:35:23 PM8/23/02
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>ste...@speechworks.com (Steve Raineri) writes:
>> How about his composition Quicksilver which was taken as the theme from
>Star Trek

Quicksilver is based on "Lover Come Back To Me".

Art

Jack Woker

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Aug 24, 2002, 12:05:11 AM8/24/02
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> How about his composition Quicksilver which was taken as the theme from
Star Trek

It is actually Horace's "Split Kick" which bears a resemblance to the Star
Trek theme, although I don't think the tunes have enough in common to
warrant a lawsuit! :-)

jack


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