Songs that remind me of Hey Jude with their ending

[zippl...@gmail.com]

Mott The Hoople "All the Young Dudes"
The 5th Dimension "Let The Sunshine In"
Donavan "Atlantis"

[Brandon Equinox]

On 09-Jul-16 16:19, zippl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>a lot of shit<<<<

waste of time by jeffie looking for attention.

drugs must have worn off

[zippl...@gmail.com]

Yeah, I need attention and some more meds.

[zippl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 3:20:59 PM UTC-5, Brandon Equinox wrote:

> On 09-Jul-16 16:19, zippl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>a lot of shit<<<<
>
> waste of time by jeffie looking for attention.

Yes.

> drugs must have worn off

Yes.

[Brandon Equinox]

[Brandon Equinox]

On 09-Jul-16 16:28, zippl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>a lot of shit<<<<

waste of time by jeffie looking for attention.

[Nil]

On 09 Jul 2016, Brandon Equinox <x...@xYz.com> wrote in
rec.music.beatles:

You seem to have nothing to add to this newsgroup. Welcome to my
killfile.

[zippl...@gmail.com]

Can you imagine being a troll and looking back on your life and
see it wasted like this?

[Brandon Equinox]

Oh no! Oh dear! I seem to have been judged by the Great Nil to add
nothing to his newsgroup. Oh the shame of it....

Even worse, the Great Nil has put me in his Nil-Kill File! Oh dear lord
what can I do?

I mean to be judged so harshly by a person of such great Beatle
knowledge and talent is so shitty~~~~ And to be incommunicado with his
greatness, well that is like God ignoring one's prayers, isn't it?

[Brandon Equinox]

[WillyShears]

Don't know actual title of the tune
but it goes sumpin lik dis:
Na na na na
na na na na
hey yay, goodbye

[Eric Ramon]

Isn't It a Pity? - George Harrison

[zippl...@gmail.com]

Thanks.

[zippl...@gmail.com]

Thanks.

[Marcus]

"Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" by Steam

[Marcus]

Sounds very much like "Hey Jude" at the end.

[WillyShears]

Dat's it! Back in my high school daze, when one
school's football team was getting it's azz kicked,
you could bet that song would get played.

[poisoned rose]

David Bowie/Memory of a Free Festival

https://youtu.be/J2t_dL_snBA?t=3m27s

Gotta be something by Oasis...most likely from the "Be Here Now" album.
Just can't remember which track.

[Home Guard Chris]

On 11/07/2016 20:02, poisoned rose wrote:
> Gotta be something by Oasis...most likely from the "Be Here Now" album.
> Just can't remember which track.

My first thought, too - All Around the World:

https://youtu.be/bdT8ixdxPX4?t=2m38s (and again at 5:10)

Also, Little James:

https://youtu.be/WFNAZGgt1VQ?t=3m28s

The na-na-nas are actually the best lyrics of that latter one.

--
The 13th-best prog rock album of 2015:
- http://thehomeguard.bandcamp.com

[zippl...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 2:02:21 PM UTC-5, poisoned rose wrote:
> David Bowie/Memory of a Free Festival
>
> https://youtu.be/J2t_dL_snBA?t=3m27s

The melody even sounds like Hey Jude. Thanks for the link.

> Gotta be something by Oasis...most likely from the "Be Here Now" album.
> Just can't remember which track.

I'm not really familiar with their music, although none of it sounds like
the Beatles to my ears as some say.

[poisoned rose]

zippl...@gmail.com wrote:

> > David Bowie/Memory of a Free Festival
> >
> > https://youtu.be/J2t_dL_snBA?t=3m27s
>
> The melody even sounds like Hey Jude. Thanks for the link.

Later, I thought of what may be my #1 favorite "extended closing vamp,"
a la "Hey Jude."

https://youtu.be/DKftiJS30Cs?t=5m38s

"Hey Jude" is better as an overall record but, in isolation, I'll take
this closing section over "Hey Jude"'s.

[P-Dub]

Clapton - Let It Grow

The Beatles - I Want You (She's so Heavy)

Guns & Roses - November Rain

Kinda

[gj]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:27:05 -0700 (PDT), P-Dub <pwol...@gmail.com>
wrote:

no Layla?

-GJ 2.1

[P-Dub]

Layla? Definitely.

[Marcus]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 4:54:11 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:

>
> Layla? Definitely.

What a great song, I never tire of hearing it in all it's glory until the end.

[poisoned rose]

Marcus <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> ...it in all it's glory

I wonder how many times he makes this mistake in his book.

[zippl...@gmail.com]

The end of Layla has no singing. It's not that repetitive either.

[zippl...@gmail.com]

Some people hate the ending though I feel the same about it as you do.

[Bruce]

LOL, and he claims I would not be able to write a book.

[BlackMonk]

Try it. Let us know how it comes out.

[Marcus]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 10:50:46 PM UTC-4, BlackMonk wrote:
> On 7/19/2016 8:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 5:40:53 PM UTC-4, poisoned rose wrote:

> >> Marcus<> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...it in all it's glory
> >>
> >> I wonder how many times he makes this mistake in his book.
> >
> > LOL, and he claims I would not be able to write a book.
> >
>
> Try it. Let us know how it comes out.

I hear that when Bruce was in his doctor's examination room, the nurse gave him a pen to sign a consent form. He looked at the pen for awhile, then stuck it up his butt thinking it was a rectal thermometer.

He can't write.

[Marcus]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 8:50:51 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 5:40:53 PM UTC-4, poisoned rose wrote:

> > Marcus <> wrote:
> >
> > > ...it in all it's glory
> >
> > I wonder how many times he makes this mistake in his book.
>
> LOL, and he claims I would not be able to write a book.

Gee, a quickly written newsgroup post, and in my haste I write the contraction "it's" instead of the possessive "its", and the pettiness and dogpile begins.

[zippl...@gmail.com]

Marcus, I listed to that song by the Outlaws that you mentioned, but the ending
didn't remind me of Hey Jude.

[zippl...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 7:22:43 PM UTC-5, Marcus wrote:

I meant to say "listened" not listed.

[poisoned rose]

Marcus <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I hear that when Bruce was in his doctor's examination room, the nurse gave
> him a pen to sign a consent form. He looked at the pen for awhile, then
> stuck it up his butt thinking it was a rectal thermometer.
>
> He can't write.

No one who would share an insult as idiotic and sophomoric as the above
should be talking down to others about their writing ability.

> Gee, a quickly written newsgroup post, and in my haste I write the
> contraction "it's" instead of the possessive "its", and the pettiness and
> dogpile begins.

Your writing is loaded with grammatical errors. Including your shared
book excerpts. Even above, you (as usual) wrongly put the comma outside
"its."

And confessing that you make grade-school errors like the above unless
you give your writing an extra proofreading pass says a lot.

[BlackMonk]

F. Scott Fitzgerald would habitually write "ect" instead of "etc." and
without proofreading by a second party, would have left it in his novels
and stories. That fact doesn't diminish the quality of his writing.

For you to target grammatical errors like these, rather than the quality
of his writing makes you look petty. Honestly, if I were asked to
critique the excerpt he posted here, I'd have a much more substantial
criticism, but it wouldn't have even occurred to me to base my opinion
of his writing on his misuse of an apostrophe. I didn't think it would
be fair to judge an entire book based on a single excerpt, though. For
all I know, the problems I saw could have been at least partially
addressed in other chapters. Besides, having recently completed my own
novel, I recognize that just finishing a book is an accomplishment
worthy of respect.

[poisoned rose]

BlackMonk <Blac...@msn.com> wrote:

> > And confessing that you make grade-school errors like the above unless
> > you give your writing an extra proofreading pass says a lot.
>
> F. Scott Fitzgerald would habitually write "ect" instead of "etc." and
> without proofreading by a second party, would have left it in his novels
> and stories. That fact doesn't diminish the quality of his writing.
>
> For you to target grammatical errors like these, rather than the quality
> of his writing makes you look petty.

Well, I can't critique his entire book for obvious reasons. And it's not
worth the trouble to write an extended review anyway. It's not as if he
ever considers criticisms in a fair, rational way...he just casually
dismisses any dissenter as an inferior being whose thoughts are
universally worthless.

[Home Guard Chris]

On 20/07/2016 21:25, poisoned rose wrote:
> Your writing is loaded with grammatical errors. Including your shared
> book excerpts. Even above, you (as usual) wrongly put the comma outside
> "its."

Sorry, but you've this more than once as a stick with which to beat
Marcus, so I feel the need to speak up. It took me just a few minutes to
find these five examples, each from a different source, all published
today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36841066
But she insisted the UK would not "walk away" from Europe and wanted to
retain the "closest economic links".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/20/theresa-may-angela-merkel-brexit-talks-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-live/
Mrs Merkel said that "negotiation with British governments have always
been arduous ones, uphill battles, but interesting technically
intelligent negotiations and we are trying in this competition to be at
eye level with you and be competitive partners".

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/20/angela-merkel-backs-theresa-mays-plan-not-to-trigger-brexit-this-year
In the days after the vote for Brexit, France was one of the countries
urging the UK to start the process of leaving the EU as soon as
possible, with its foreign minister saying it was a matter of respect
not to "play cat and mouse".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/691628/James-Bond-Crawley-MPs-silent-jig-live-TV-BBC
The activist, who calls himself the "James Bond of Crawley", has
attempted to become an MP for the Sussex constituency of Crawley as well
as a Crawley Borough Council warn member for Bewbush.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3698983/Britain-GIVES-chance-charge-EU-one-time-focus-Brexit-talks-Theresa-visits-Berlin-start-negotiations-Angela-Merkel.html
The German Chancellor said she hoped the negotiations would be carried
out in a spirit of close 'cooperation'.

The comma (or full stop) outside of the quotation marks is absolutely
correct under certain circumstances - at least in standard English* -
including in the example you're criticising.

*American English may vary.

[Home Guard Chris]

And, naturally, I miss a word in the first sentence. :-)

[poisoned rose]

Home Guard Chris <cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:

> > Your writing is loaded with grammatical errors. Including your shared
> > book excerpts. Even above, you (as usual) wrongly put the comma outside
> > "its."
>
> Sorry, but you've this more than once as a stick with which to beat
> Marcus, so I feel the need to speak up. It took me just a few minutes to
> find these five examples, each from a different source, all published
> today.

Go to 100 professional news websites and see how many of them go along
with you. And yeah, perhaps American English does vary. But I don't
think Marcus has given the issue any real thought...like everything else
in his world, he remembers perceiving something as a teenager and has
been locked into that rut ever since. Furthermore, at least one of his
posted book excerpts wasn't even consistent one way or the other. So
that's wrong, no matter how you slice it.

I have basically zero memory of ever reading a book or *printed*
newspaper article that didn't put punctuation inside quotation marks. Of
course, this is just the beginning of Marcus' grammar problems. When he
posted that first chapter excerpt, I started to write a proofreading
pass on it but bailed out because it was becoming too long and I lost
interest in following through.

[poisoned rose]

Home Guard Chris <cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:

> http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/691628/James-Bond-Crawley-MPs-silent-ji

> g-live-TV-BBC
> The activist, who calls himself the "James Bond of Crawley", has
> attempted to become an MP for the Sussex constituency of Crawley as well
> as a Crawley Borough Council warn member for Bewbush.

This piece also says:

Daniel Jenks, said: "I still can't get that image of the man dancing in
the background outside Westminster on the BBC."

and

The placard said: "Seven million Iraqis killed, injured, homeless, since
2003."

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3698983/Britain-GIVES-chance-charge-EU
> -one-time-focus-Brexit-talks-Theresa-visits-Berlin-start-negotiations-Angela-M

> erkel.html
> The German Chancellor said she hoped the negotiations would be carried
> out in a spirit of close 'cooperation'.

And this piece includes multiple cases that go the other way. So, this
rag isn't even style-consistent.

Try the New York Times and see what you get. Heck, I'd be curious if you
could find consistent support from ANY prominent American newspaper.

[Home Guard Chris]

On 20/07/2016 23:42, poisoned rose wrote:
> Home Guard Chris <cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:
>
>>> Your writing is loaded with grammatical errors. Including your shared
>>> book excerpts. Even above, you (as usual) wrongly put the comma outside
>>> "its."
>>
>> Sorry, but you've this more than once as a stick with which to beat
>> Marcus, so I feel the need to speak up. It took me just a few minutes to
>> find these five examples, each from a different source, all published
>> today.
>
> Go to 100 professional news websites and see how many of them go along
> with you.

Well, I've given you five already - I won't stretch to 100, but you can
have another five if you like. Varying degrees of respectability, but at
least not behind a paywall, and all stories found from the current front
pages:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-leaveeu-campaign-inciting-racial-and-religious-hatred-40000-lodge-complaint-a7147141.html
Incidents of hate crimes reported on social media since the reported
hate crime surge began tend to involve members of the public telling
people speaking foreign languages – or simply people who are not white –
to "leave" or "go home".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-claiming-300000-compensation-disabled-8459447
He dropped his claim after "realising he was under investigation", said
William Featherby QC, for Network Rail.

http://news.sky.com/story/erdogan-declares-state-of-emergency-in-turkey-10507647
The president said the state of emergency was in order to "take the most
efficient steps in order to remove this threat as soon as possible,
which is a threat to democracy and to the rule of law".

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/20/woman-got-scared-by-muslim-plane-passenger-but-it-didnt-end-up-how-youd-think-6019081/
The woman chose not to leave the flight, but still looked flustered.
Jiva told her she was comforting her colleagues who had been burgled,
and that she was 'just a regular Muslim girl travelling'.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/torrent-people-signing-vote-jeremy-corbyn-v-owen-smith-battle/
He said Mr Corbyn was in a stronger position than last year when he won
the leadership by a "landslide".

> And yeah, perhaps American English does vary.

I'd have to say it's looking like it.

> Furthermore, at least one of his
> posted book excerpts wasn't even consistent one way or the other. So
> that's wrong, no matter how you slice it.

Not necessarily - it's not a simple case of the punctuation *always*
being inside or outside of the quotation marks. If the quoted text is
less than a clause in length, punctuation goes outside. If the quotation
cuts in midway through a clause that you are writing, punctuation
usually goes outside. On most other occasions it goes inside. (After
explaining that, I'm coming round to the American way of thinking.)

> I have basically zero memory of ever reading a book or *printed*
> newspaper article that didn't put punctuation inside quotation marks.

You're going to have to believe me when I say that I think all printed
newspapers on this side of the Atlantic follow the rules I outlined
above. Now I'm wondering which came first, and when the divergence
happened...

[BlackMonk]

On 7/20/2016 7:00 PM, poisoned rose wrote:
> Home Guard Chris<cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:
>
>> http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/691628/James-Bond-Crawley-MPs-silent-ji
>> g-live-TV-BBC
>> The activist, who calls himself the "James Bond of Crawley", has
>> attempted to become an MP for the Sussex constituency of Crawley as well
>> as a Crawley Borough Council warn member for Bewbush.
>
> This piece also says:
>
> Daniel Jenks, said: "I still can't get that image of the man dancing in
> the background outside Westminster on the BBC."
>
> and
>
> The placard said: "Seven million Iraqis killed, injured, homeless, since
> 2003."
>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3698983/Britain-GIVES-chance-charge-EU
>> -one-time-focus-Brexit-talks-Theresa-visits-Berlin-start-negotiations-Angela-M
>> erkel.html
>> The German Chancellor said she hoped the negotiations would be carried
>> out in a spirit of close 'cooperation'.
>
> And this piece includes multiple cases that go the other way. So, this
> rag isn't even style-consistent.
>

Those are two different situations. The first two use colons to separate
the quotation from the attribution and are quoting complete sentences,
the third doesn't and is only quoting a single word.

[Home Guard Chris]

On 21/07/2016 00:00, poisoned rose wrote:
> Home Guard Chris <cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:
>
>> http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/691628/James-Bond-Crawley-MPs-silent-ji
>> g-live-TV-BBC
>> The activist, who calls himself the "James Bond of Crawley", has
>> attempted to become an MP for the Sussex constituency of Crawley as well
>> as a Crawley Borough Council warn member for Bewbush.
>
> This piece also says:
>
> Daniel Jenks, said: "I still can't get that image of the man dancing in
> the background outside Westminster on the BBC."
>
> and
>
> The placard said: "Seven million Iraqis killed, injured, homeless, since
> 2003."
>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3698983/Britain-GIVES-chance-charge-EU
>> -one-time-focus-Brexit-talks-Theresa-visits-Berlin-start-negotiations-Angela-M
>> erkel.html
>> The German Chancellor said she hoped the negotiations would be carried
>> out in a spirit of close 'cooperation'.
>
> And this piece includes multiple cases that go the other way. So, this
> rag isn't even style-consistent.

I've addressed this in my other post, but all these examples are 100%
correct in standard English, believe it or not. Not that the Daily mail
isn't a rag, though.

[poisoned rose]

Home Guard Chris <cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:

> > Go to 100 professional news websites and see how many of them go along
> > with you.
>
> Well, I've given you five already

So you come back with five MORE UK sites? Gimme a break.

> > Furthermore, at least one of his
> > posted book excerpts wasn't even consistent one way or the other. So
> > that's wrong, no matter how you slice it.
>
> Not necessarily - it's not a simple case of the punctuation *always*
> being inside or outside of the quotation marks. If the quoted text is
> less than a clause in length, punctuation goes outside. If the quotation
> cuts in midway through a clause that you are writing, punctuation
> usually goes outside. On most other occasions it goes inside. (After
> explaining that, I'm coming round to the American way of thinking.)

Oh man. This niggling is turning desperate.

> > I have basically zero memory of ever reading a book or *printed*
> > newspaper article that didn't put punctuation inside quotation marks.
>
> You're going to have to believe me when I say that I think all printed
> newspapers on this side of the Atlantic follow the rules I outlined
> above.

Since you're citing sources that don't even have a consistent style,
there's really no point in citing them as authoritative.

At least one of those sites you cited also used single quotation marks
instead of double, so....hopeless.

[Marcus]

Jeff, I think you misunderstood me or I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that you didn't like songs that had long guitar endings, like "Freebird", so I was asking if you felt the same way about "Green Grass and High Tides" which is also a Southern Rock song with a long guitar finish.

It had nothing to do with sounding like "Hey Jude".

[Marcus]

On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 5:08:04 PM UTC-4, BlackMonk wrote:
> On 7/20/2016 4:25 PM, poisoned rose wrote:

I wish you great success. Let us know when it's published.

I know what it takes and what one goes through when writing a book. It is quite an accomplishment.

Some people write books, others quibble about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin."

btw, I'm guessing, and perhaps incorrectly, that the issue you had with the chapter was something that appeared out of context or unclear. I tried my best to write the chapters in a more or less chronological order, but I also strived to make each chapter "stand alone" so the reader could read them without necessarily knowing what happened before or after a particular chapter. I think I was fairly successful, but there may be some references in a chapter that the reader might understand better if a prior chapter was read first.

[Home Guard Chris]

On 21/07/2016 00:42, poisoned rose wrote:
> Home Guard Chris <cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:
>
>>> Go to 100 professional news websites and see how many of them go along
>>> with you.
>>
>> Well, I've given you five already
>
> So you come back with five MORE UK sites? Gimme a break.

Five from Australia:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/32105744/west-perth-mitch-antonion-warning-letter-after-chatley-tackle-ban/#page1
Despite several requests, the WA Football Commission refused to disclose
the reasoning behind tribunal chairman Paul Heaney’s decision other than
to say it was "based on all available evidence, including vision, umpire
summary, player testimony and a medical report".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/television/sex-lies-and-a-videotape-a-look-at-the-shock-pauline-hanson-documentary-set-to-make-waves/news-story/a8be96f7587746ffc6987bbdb1eaf767
But Oldfield bluntly insists "there was no romance in that sex" and
cryptically said he was "doing what I had to do for Tony".

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/disappointed-china-ramps-up-military-drills-in-disputed-waters/news-story/cfdb17f69f9197987f90bc09f5a241cf
US Vice President Joe Biden met with Malcolm Turnbull in Sydney
yesterday, saying the two nations were a "genuine brotherhood" committed
to "making sure the sea lanes are open and the skies are free for
navigation".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/green-push-risks-power-price-surge-distorts-national-market/news-story/21f55240943a306feacf2e48eed0f826
Mr Frydenberg said last night the COAG energy council meeting was a top
priority and would be convened "as soon as practic­able". He said the
South Australian situation was caused by a combination of weather, a
maintenance issue and a "higher reliance on intermittent energy supply".
He said investment in electricity generation and technology were the
best way to take pressure off prices long term.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/jetstar-plane-diverts-after-wild-fight-flight-from-sydney-20160720-gqa99o.html
Flight JQ27 was travelling from Sydney to Thailand's popular tourist
destination on Wednesday, when a group of six passengers travelling
together became "extremely disruptive".

Five from New Zealand:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11678471
Her friends then searched "everywhere" for her, but assumed she had gone
home because she was "steaming".

http://www.times.co.nz/news/flower-and-garden-show-postponed-til-next-year.html
While the leadership team is saddened that show enthusiasts will have to
wait another 12 months, she says "we are excited that we have a longer
development period to bring the world’s best garden designers, a coterie
of experts and some incredible displays and experiences to life".

http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/winz-referring-tenants-to-illegal-rentals-2016072105
She believes Work and Income should not be recommending the property
manager saying "she is just ripping people off".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11678501
Local residents said their houses shook and they thought windows would
break when the shock waves hit, and "dogs for miles around started barking".

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/391019/orc-concern-goverment-interference
Cr Michael Deaker said he was "appalled" by some of the proposed
provisions and said the more he read about them "the more horrified I
became".

Five from Ireland:

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/harris-against-cabinet-having-last-say-on-funding-for-drugs-1.2729027
Despite his members complaining repeatedly that allowing decisions on
individual drug approval by lobbying makes it impossible for companies
to properly plan their business, Mr O’Connor said last night that "it is
just impossible to get rid of it completely".

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-citizen-shot-in-the-head-in-south-africa-34900226.html
Speaking to Independent.ie, Mr Brogan’s son-in-law Denis Kaye described
his condition as "improving daily but incrementally".

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/up-to-20-key-players-will-continue-scourge-of-drugs-gangs-after-collopy-brothers-are-jailed-745785.html
At the height of the Limerick feud, the "Collopy gang stepped back from
it", and let the Keanes fight out a turf war against the McCarthy's from
Moyross and their cousins, the Dundons, who operated across the city in
Ballinacurra Weston.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2016/07/20/news/senior-sinn-fe-in-figures-back-adams-s-leadership-613133/
Mr Tóibín, who in 2013 was suspended from the Sinn Féin's parliamentary
party for six months after voting against a relaxation of the Republic's
abortion laws, told The Irish News yesterday that "few political leaders
could measure up to Gerry Adams".

http://www.thejournal.ie/smartphones-jobstown-2887675-Jul2016/
Before the submissions began, Judge Greally told the packed courtroom
that at the last hearing in May "persons were observed recording these
proceedings" on mobile "smart phones".

That's 25 different examples from 25 different sources from four
different English-speaking countries, all from today's front pages - and
the fact is that it was no effort at all to find them. Putting the same
level of effort into US and Canadian news outlets, I couldn't find any
examples that adhere to the same rules. Conclusion: American and
Canadian English always go with punctuation inside, while other
English-speaking countries don't. But I think we knew that already.

[poisoned rose]

Marcus <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Some people write books, others quibble about "how many angels can dance on
> the head of a pin."

Yes, you can afford this flip attitude when you self-publish, don't have
an editor and no one reads your book except friends.

[Bruce]

He;s holding steady among the top 800,000 on Amazon!

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #771,961 in Books

[Marcus]

On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 9:23:43 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

>
> He;s holding steady among the top 800,000 on Amazon!
>

Using a semicolon instead of an apostrophe.

Tsk Tsk.

Wait till your buddy sees that.

[I Love My NezMonkee]

Well, why not hold a professional writer to higher standards? Let's be
honest, you only wrote this book to boost your own ego. It makes you
feel important.

[I Love My NezMonkee]

On 7/20/2016 2:08 PM, BlackMonk wrote:
Besides, having recently completed my own
> novel, I recognize that just finishing a book is an accomplishment
> worthy of respect.

No matter how crap the book is?

[DianeE]

"I Love My NezMonkee" <princes...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:nmpb5i$s3r$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

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It takes time, effort, perseverance, organization....yeah, it's an
accomplishment (for the person who accomplishes it) even if it's a crappy
book.

I mean, let's say you knit a sweater and it takes you months, but you
persist, and you manage to finish it and sew it together....and then it
doesn't fit you right and you end up never wearing it and 30 years later you
finally give in and throw it out. (As you can probably guess, this actually
happened to me.) It's still an accomplishment in the context of your own
life, even if it makes no ripple in the lake of the world.

That's my opinion anyhow.
DianeE

[BlackMonk]

Yes. It still takes a lot of work and effort. Even if a person comes in
last place running a marathon, he still completed it.

[DianeE]

"BlackMonk" <Blac...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:nmpg5o$10qk$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

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Thank you, you said what I was trying to say.

DianeE

[zippl...@gmail.com]

Marcus, I will have to go through some threads to know, but from memory
I listened to that song but not well enough. I just skipped to the end of it
because I thought you were comparing it to Hey jude, for whatever reason,
and I hadn't heard the song before.

[Marcus]

On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 10:03:08 PM UTC-4, I Love My NezMonkee wrote:

<Let's be honest, you only wrote this book to boost your own ego. It makes you
> feel important.

Let's really be honest...no I didn't.

[I Love My NezMonkee]

Liar.

[Bruce]

It's even worse if his reason for doing it was to try and make money. He'd be better off standing outside his local supermarket and begging.

[The Arranger]

The people least likely to use an editor are the ones that need it the most.

[The Arranger]

It's US usage to put them inside the quotation marks, just as US usage requires singular verbs for collective nouns such as "orchestra."

[Home Guard Chris]

> It's US usage to put them inside the quotation marks,

Yes, that's the conclusion I'd reached. The simple point I was
struggling to make is that, under some circumstances, putting the
punctuation outside the quotation marks isn't incorrect. For that
reason, you can't automatically judge a writer on this issue alone.

> just as US usage requires singular verbs for collective nouns such as "orchestra."

"Oliver's army *is* here to stay / Oliver's army *are* on their way"
(which isn't incorrect, at least where I am) is my favourite example of
just how messed up this rule can get, too. :-)

[Marcus]

Once again, you speculate and make assumptions.

[Marcus]

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 5:10:39 PM UTC-4, The Arranger wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 9:11:46 PM UTC-4, poisoned rose wrote:

> > Marcus > wrote:
> >
> > > Some people write books, others quibble about "how many angels can dance on
> > > the head of a pin."
> >
> > Yes, you can afford this flip attitude when you self-publish, don't have
> > an editor and no one reads your book except friends.
>
> The people least likely to use an editor are the ones that need it the most.

And now you are making an assumption.

[Bruce]

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #495,584 in Books

Still in the top half a million sellers. Still only 3 reviews.

[poisoned rose]

DianeE <Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote:

> It takes time, effort, perseverance, organization....yeah, it's an
> accomplishment (for the person who accomplishes it) even if it's a crappy
> book.
>
> I mean, let's say you knit a sweater and it takes you months, but you
> persist, and you manage to finish it and sew it together....and then it
> doesn't fit you right and you end up never wearing it and 30 years later you
> finally give in and throw it out. (As you can probably guess, this actually
> happened to me.) It's still an accomplishment in the context of your own
> life, even if it makes no ripple in the lake of the world.
>
> That's my opinion anyhow.

This argument would hold a lot more water if Marcus hadn't repeatedly
indicated the book is essentially a toilet book where the chapters can
be read in any order. So it's kind of a "collection of essays," at best.

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Marcus <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > The people least likely to use an editor are the ones that need it the most.
>
> And now you are making an assumption.

A typical Marcus move: talk down to someone without making any sort of
salient point. Where's the assumption? And he doesn't even say whatever
assumption is *wrong*.

Just more empty posturing.

[Marcus]

No, the assumption isn't about a list(what is it about you and lists...too much toilet training, maybe), it's an assumption being made that the book isn't any good, that it isn't a good read. All of you can babble on and on about whether the punctuation goes inside the quotes, outside the quotes, or up the lazy river, but none of you have read the book in it's entirety. You don't know if the book is just fluff or filler, or has meat on the bone. Therefore, your judgments are empty, devoid of any knowledge or understanding.

Personally(and I mean this sincerely regardless of whether you choose to believe it or not), I don't care if any of you insult artists read my book or not, but it seems to me that since you haven't, in terms of learned discussion, all of you should STFU.

[poisoned rose]

Marcus <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> none of you have read the book in it's entirety.

[I Love My NezMonkee]

You know, it's kind of hard to read it in its entirety without shelling
out money for it, and there's just other things I would rather buy.
Maybe if I see it in the library I'll read it. :)